Interesting 3.3 Dungeons Tidbit

[Mosg2]

I've heard players will no longer be saved to heroics. Does this mean we can farm Champion's Seals?
Heroic lockouts still exist. The only difference is that the Random Heroic option will ignore lockouts. So if you've run every single Wrath of the Lich King Heroic dungeon in a day, you can still choose the Random Heroic option to continue running them. You can do this as often as time allows since this option will ignore lockout timers. As I said above though, the Heroic dungeons you've run the most that day will be less likely to be randomly chosen by the system.

When I looked at it originally I was thinking that you could do every heroic twice--Once normally and then once with the dungeon system. This means that you can *only* use the new dungeon system and basically farm tokens until you're done. The extra tokens per run make it worth it imo~ if you're not just farming say, 15 tokens or something.

This is going to be insane.

[Svpernova09]

The other nice tidbit that was from a blue post, the "random" dungeon you get changes every 15 minutes, if you get X dungeon and don't want to do it, you'll get a different random in 15 minutes.

[Maxion]

Very nice, handy, this will be pretty awesome. :D

[HPAVC]

There is some sort of deserter-like debuff, not sure how long it lasts.

[Multibocks]

Im going to guess 15mins.

[moosejaw]

There is some sort of deserter-like debuff, not sure how long it lasts.

15 minutes. As stated above by Svper.

[Ridere]

I'm looking forward to this.

I'll probably be getting a lot of the debuffs until I learn all of the heroics, but the extra two badges are just too good to pass up. I have Gundrak, UK and Culling of Stratholme on farm now. Slowly starting to get into the swing of things, as my Bear tank starts to get better gear.

I mainly need to work on my healing, though.

[cmeche]

Just wondering......you log on for the day and choose random. Random selects H UK. You then complete H UK.
Does this "random" completed run count towards the "normal" limit of 1 H UK run per day? Or, can you then run H UK again without the "random" que?

[Jubber]

Cmeche that will count towards the dungeon run for the day. What you want to do is run H UK normally then choose random and if you get it via random it will ignore the lockout.

[blbjtb]

I see the potential for lots of badges to be made...

(obvious I know)

[Jubber]

They've done alot of things to help speed up the endgame grind so that more folks have a chance to gear up quickly and rep out quickly. They want more people to be able to experience the ICC stuff. It's definately a nice change and yes you have the potential to gain alot of badges this way.

[Maxion]

Not to mention the title and pet for clearing 100 heroics this way if you have at least one random pug in each one.

[Multibocks]

Shit it requires one random PUG? HELL NO... guess I wont be getting that pet.

[blbjtb]

Rofl whoa wait wait.. So I cant take me entire 5 man team and do the random dungeon? or can I... Im lost scared and confused... Hold me.

[Mosg2]

You can use your whole premade group and use the random dungeon tool. You could *also* use 4 of your guys, get a random pug, and then do it too.

[Ualaa]

From what I've read, when you do the "random dungeon", which can be PUG or your existing team, it will randomly pick one and you can do this even if you've already done it this day.

If it gives you a dungeon your team cannot beat, or you hate. Wait 15 minutes and get a new one. Chances are good, it will be different.

You could conceivably get the same heroic dungeon 3+ times in a single day.

[blbjtb]

Did I read somewhere that you dont have to literally fly to a dungeon anymore after 3.3? Something about the new dungeon system ports you where you need to be?

[Maxion]

Yes you get ported to and from it from where ever you want, like bg's are now.
even gives you a town portal feature for repairs etc like in diablo i've heard

You can do random dungeons just fine with a full 5 man team, but it'll only count toward getting the title and pet if you run with 4 or less and get 1 or more random pugs assigned to each run, i believe.

The title is "the Patient" for a reason ;)

[Shodokan]

OK... So basically... If i can do heroics @ 30 mins per....

I can basically sit and farm heroics for badges untill i'm fully geared in like 2 days? You kidding me?

[Maxion]

Some heroics take a bit longer, but yes, that is basically it.
not sure if the new, harder ICC heroics are included in the random set though, as that would likely delay you until you are geared enough to breeze through them similarly.

In any case, yes, they want everyone to get geared so we can all experience the higher content and important storyline stuff.

[Multibocks]

Basically if you are multiboxer and not maxed on Emblems of Triumph 2 days after 3.3 hits then you aren't trying or you have better things to do. ;)

[Shodokan]

Basically if you are multiboxer and not maxed on Emblems of Triumph 2 days after 3.3 hits then you aren't trying or you have better things to do. ;)

Or don't have a team capable of doing them...Or are incredibly under geared.

[yaki]

Basically if you are multiboxer and not maxed on Emblems of Triumph 2 days after 3.3 hits then you aren't trying or you have better things to do. ;)

Better things to do, and my tank's player is still kinda a noob (I generally run 4+1).

[Stealthy]

Basically if you are multiboxer and not maxed on Emblems of Triumph 2 days after 3.3 hits then you aren't trying or you have better things to do. ;)

Not sure if a job counts as a "better thing to do" lol. I know what I'd rather be doing...:D

[yaki]

Not sure if a job counts as a "better thing to do" lol. I know what I'd rather be doing...:D

1) Get your boss into multiboxing
2) ???
3) Have time off to max your badges

[Souca]

Better things to do, and my tank's player is still kinda a noob (I generally run 4+1).

This made me just think of something. If you don't usually run with a tank, you have the potential to create a lot of love or hate with this new system when you pick up a PuG tank. Wonder how long until we start seeing posts about multiboxers ruining random pugs like we ruin BGs ;) What happens if you pick up a PuG dps and he drops cause "boxers are lolfail" and you just complete the instance anyway? Does that count toward your random pugs? Or does the system just insert someone new in your group?

This could be very cool or very painful for 4 boxers.

- Souca -

[Multibocks]

Im going with "very painful"

Imagine trying to complete an instance with a tank thats in greens or just hit 80. Ugh.

[Crel]

simple way to test a pug tank...say "LOS that caster"
If he says "which skill is that?" run off the nearest cliff.

[Volch0k]

Or, since you need 4 votes to kick someone...make all your char just kick him if you get a moron.

[Oswyn]

Sweet! I knew there was a reason why I took the last half of December off for vacation.

[Liamstriker]

Watched a video on the LFG system, imo WoW did an awesome job.

[Maxion]

Just did the new normal instance, dropped triumphs from bosses

[Shodokan]

Just did the new normal instance, dropped triumphs from bosses

lolwhat?

NORMAL version dropped triumph?... or heroic version @ the instance portal and not through random?

Could you check like UK/UP for us?

[Maxion]

lolwhat?

NORMAL version dropped triumph?... or heroic version @ the instance portal and not through random?

Could you check like UK/UP for us?

That was the ICC 5 mans, sorry, i'm sure the other normals don't.

[SideWays]

What ICC 5 mans nh drop EoT's??? Cant believe that Oo

[Völu]

I have only 4 Accounts(3 elemental, 1 palatank). Does the random dungeon works with 4 players? I don't like to teamup with some randoms :/

[Smoooth]

I have only 4 Accounts(3 elemental, 1 palatank). Does the random dungeon works with 4 players? I don't like to teamup with some randoms :/

You can queue up for a random dungeon with 4 characters but it will find someone to fill the 5th spot before you can do it.

Also, badges do not drop from the normal mode new 5 man dungeons. You can get 2 frost emblems from each the first time through from a quest that works as an attunement to the next wing.

[suprafro]

Also the random heroic feature will not let your group jinto the instance (says your team is invalid) if you dont have atleast 1 tank, 1 healer, and 1 dps and you can not select a role unless your class is capiable of performing it. For example, a hunter can only select damage dealer, dk tank and/or damage dealer while the hybrids can choose all three

So a 5x dk team for example would never be able to run the heroic daily for frost emblems (as a team anyway)

[Maxion]

You can queue up for a random dungeon with 4 characters but it will find someone to fill the 5th spot before you can do it.

Also, badges do not drop from the normal mode new 5 man dungeons. You can get 2 frost emblems from each the first time through from a quest that works as an attunement to the next wing.

The ICC 5 mans do drop emblems of triumph on normal, I've cleared them several times today, every boss dropped emblems, though you may not have noticed it since emblems don't have to be looted anymore, they are instantly placed in your stash as soon as the boss dies.

[offive]

The ICC 5 mans do drop emblems of triumph on normal, I've cleared them several times today, every boss dropped emblems, though you may not have noticed it since emblems don't have to be looted anymore, they are instantly placed in your stash as soon as the boss dies.

Confirmed this last night, it made me think I was in Heroic! So yeah farm away.

[gitcho]

whoa ... uh ... so, besides acheivements and the daily heroic (for frost emblems), there's no point in running heroics? Could you not get full T9 in less time by simply running ICC5 normal over and over?

The ICC 5 mans do drop emblems of triumph on normal, I've cleared them several times today, every boss dropped emblems, though you may not have noticed it since emblems don't have to be looted anymore, they are instantly placed in your stash as soon as the boss dies.
or did they make the ICC5mans really difficult on normal mode if you're not really geared?

[offive]

I think if your some what geared some of the old wrath heroics will be faster per badge than say PoS (even on normal there still is a lot of trash). 2 badges from FoS, 3 from HoR... which you could possibly do both reasonably in about 40 minutes,and faster once servers stabalize and people start getting used to the pulls. So by comparison a lot of the old wrath heroics can be done by most in under 30 minutes. If your using the random heroic then you could see 7 badges for Gundrack or CoS or Nexus... which for 30minutes of blasting is hard to beat.

A lot of the shammy teams will be farming normal PoS for the caster shield, so I guess that would be the one I would keep running on normal. Once your all T9'd out and you have what ever drop you need from the instances... yeah most people will go back to doing the random heroic and then work on other things. Farming battered hilts would be high on my list (lots-o-alts). I have to check on trash respawn times tonight, PoS seems like the obvious choice for hilt farming to me.

[Shodokan]

Random LFG gives badges per boss + 2 at the end + 13g each character.

So for every random heroic you do... you are guaranteed 5 to 7 badges. Assuming you can do 2 OG heroics per hour with "ok" gear that means you get 10-14 badges per hour. If you can do 3 per hour that is 15-21 badges per hour. If you are REALLY good... you can get 20-28 badges per hour.

Considering t9 takes 190 badges that is...
15 hours (with OK gear) - 12 per hour Average
10 hours (with medium gear) - 18 per hour average
8 hours (with t8 or better gear) - 24 per hour average

After each run you get 65 gold total not including DE + selling greys + gold from drops. So you are looking at... minimum of 300 gold per heroic.

[suprafro]

Heroic trash resets 15 minutes after no player has been inside the instance, even after bosses are dead the trash can be endlessly reset

[Shodokan]

Heroic trash resets 15 minutes after no player has been inside the instance, even after bosses are dead the trash can be endlessly reset

So it would have to be an instance where there are no "waves" for boss events.

[Zappy]

The only nastiness I found is that you can't join as 5 shammys. It says the group is not viable for lack of tank. The workaround I did was queued with 4 shammys and 1 of my druids, then kicked the druid, and put a shaman back. He won't get the badge or gold, but you can do another random heroic, and kick a different shaman for a tank, and replace. So in order for me to farm the frost emblems on the dailies, I have to run 2 heroics.

[Shodokan]

The only nastiness I found is that you can't join as 5 shammys. It says the group is not viable for lack of tank. The workaround I did was queued with 4 shammys and 1 of my druids, then kicked the druid, and put a shaman back. He won't get the badge or gold, but you can do another random heroic, and kick a different shaman for a tank, and replace. So in order for me to farm the frost emblems on the dailies, I have to run 2 heroics.

Sweet.

[Raskaz]

I really like the new tool, especially the instant porting saves so much time.
I just wish Blizz had been a bit more generous when they did upgrade their instant server capacity a while back.

I am getting full slots almost all day and even these things will ease out over time it still annoys me to pieces ;)

[Mystic]

Contrary to what blizzard blue postings state, the random heroic instance feature is not bypassing heroic instance lockouts. If you've already done a heroic for the day, and you later get a random heroic for that instance, you are screwed. The bosses will be non-existent.

I'm hoping this is an isolated glitch, or else a known bug, and is not now intended to be the way things work.

I did heroic Nexus earlier, and just now got Nexus as the random heroic. I ported in, cleared trash to Omorok, only to discover Omorok was MIA, backtracked and Keristraza MIA also.

[HTeam]

Contrary to what blizzard blue postings state, the random heroic instance feature is not bypassing heroic instance lockouts. If you've already done a heroic for the day, and you later get a random heroic for that instance, you are screwed. The bosses will be non-existent.

I'm hoping this is an isolated glitch, or else a known bug, and is not now intended to be the way things work.

I did heroic Nexus earlier, and just now got Nexus as the random heroic. I ported in, cleared trash to Omorok, only to discover Omorok was MIA, backtracked and Keristraza MIA also.

I'm hit or miss on this one. One instance we only missed one boss, but had the last boss. Another one had no bosses at all. Still another ran perfectly normal.

[yaki]

5 shammys....is not viable for lack of tank.

Lies!

[Zappy]

Lies!

Lies? Reread my post. I didn't say it's not possible, as I've ran almost every heroic with my 5 shammys -- http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=26153

What I'm saying is the blizzard dungeon tool sucks for random heroics for a 5 shammy group. Since you must select your "role" for each toon, the tank icon is greyed out, so by not having a tank for the group, it will reject the group saying it's not a viable group.

[Shodokan]

Contrary to what blizzard blue postings state, the random heroic instance feature is not bypassing heroic instance lockouts. If you've already done a heroic for the day, and you later get a random heroic for that instance, you are screwed. The bosses will be non-existent.

I'm hoping this is an isolated glitch, or else a known bug, and is not now intended to be the way things work.

I did heroic Nexus earlier, and just now got Nexus as the random heroic. I ported in, cleared trash to Omorok, only to discover Omorok was MIA, backtracked and Keristraza MIA also.

If you ONLY use the LFG tool, and do not do any outside of it, it works as intended. But if you do them outside of LFG random heroic then you can run into problems.

[Volch0k]

If you ONLY use the LFG tool, and do not do any outside of it, it works as intended. But if you do them outside of LFG random heroic then you can run into problems.

Not true. I did first boss Oculus, since that's fast...with lfg.

Got into it latet and thought, ok i can do first boss fast again...Wasnt there, just like every other instance is bugged when you do it with same grp....Even had first AND second boss spawning in pit, but last boss missing, and the 'event' was missing...

So its bugged.

[yaki]

Lies? Reread my post. I didn't say it's not possible

You reread MY post. All I'm saying is that non-viable doesn't mean what Blizzard thinks it means.

[daviddoran]

I would still call a 5x dps group "non-viable" for a traditional PUG. Imagine if you were playing a solo shammy and got grouped with 4 more ele shaman..... even if they COULD do it, I doubt the group would be excited for it, and getting totems organized would be a nightmare...

I'm just going to run them with a tank for simplicitys sake, and if I feel like doing 5 shaman heroics, Ill fly there myself.

[Stealthy]

The 'town portal' feature is really handy, esp when going through the new instances (i.e. wiping a bunch).

If you park your toons next to a repairer before you port into a dungeon, you can port out mid instance, repair straight away and port back in. Who needs repair bots? :D

Also handy if you forget to stock up on reagents before heading into an istance... ;)

Cheers,
S.

[gitcho]

I got UP yesterday for my daily, and got stuck on Skadi ... tried 5 or 6 times, and decided to give up, so I hearthed back (didn't realize i could have ported out for free). I fired up LFD tool again, and clicked "OK" on everyone, and got UP again!

If i'm stuck on one heroic, how do I chose another random dungeon?

[yaki]

If i'm stuck on one heroic, how do I chose another random dungeon?

I think you're a little unclear on the meaning of random.

If the problem is that it's incomplete and assumes you want back in, you could try a "reset all instances" command or deliberately give yourself the dungeon deserter debuff and then wait for it to time out.

[gitcho]

I think you're a little unclear on the meaning of random.
If the problem is that it's incomplete and assumes you want back in, you could try a "reset all instances" command or deliberately give yourself the dungeon deserter debuff and then wait for it to time out.
it's not a logical fallacy to "choose" a "random" dungeon. Thanks for the suggestion though, taking the debuff, waiting the 15 minutes, and resetting all instances worked.

[boxblizzard]

Rofl whoa wait wait.. So I cant take me entire 5 man team and do the random dungeon? or can I... Im lost scared and confused... Hold me.


i got good news for you.... new kick system, 4 vs 1. kick pug invite number 5.

owned ;)

[HPAVC]

i got good news for you.... new kick system, 4 vs 1. kick pug invite number 5.

owned ;)

So you form a group of your 4 characters (with a fifth character waiting to be invited), use the LFG / random dungeon, vote kick the guy and then invite your 5th character and still get the bonus?

[Maxion]

I think the 5th character doesn't get it since they didn't join the group through the system.
And you definitely won't get the bonus for running with pugs.

[Mystic]

Ok, I used Dungeon Finder exclusively last night for heroics.

I got Anh'Khet, Violet Hold, CoS, Gundrak, Nexus, all completed. Then I Violet Hold again. With Violet Hold the second time, entering showed that it was spent, no event starter NPC, no instance reset, no instance lock bypass. The extra 10 emblems from the first five were great, but I certainly was hoping what blue posts said about DF bypassing instance locks. Now every time I get a repeat instance I have to wait for the DF deserter debuff to expire before trying again, and the odds of course get worse on repeats as more are completed.

[boxblizzard]

So you form a group of your 4 characters (with a fifth character waiting to be invited), use the LFG / random dungeon, vote kick the guy and then invite your 5th character and still get the bonus?

in thoery, just read above about bonus not applied if you didnt join the random.

i needs testing out, i see what i can do 2nite