New High: 2503 DK + 4 Ret

[Kromtor]

Got my 2200 weapons this week and went 31-1 and got up to 2461. Gladiator will require somewhere in the top 5-10 depending on how blizzard determines an active team since there are 2200ish teams in my BG with at least some rating and the top 0.5% gets Gladiator.

One thing to note, halfway through this week I switched to Seal of Command. I'm still a fan of Seal of Righteousness since it has superior single target DPS but it seems when you get your STR super high the difference seems to lessen and the AoE component of SoC starts to make up for it.

[Multibocks]

Heh and back down to 2266! Grats though, Im surprised you didnt have the points saved for the 2200 weps as soon as you hit it. I would be scared to be dropped back under.

Oh and Im not surprised you dont share tactics, macros or videos. It's a dog eat dog world out there and I know the teams you are facing will use that info against you.

[Mamut]

Grats on the rating! Too bad you can't share any vids but I can't blame you. I cant fraps and have any chance of a good fps with my current hardware either.

Think you will have enough points for 2200 weapons before the season ends?

peace

[dennisqwertz]

plz make a movie!

[Trons]

Very Impressive
If you were to solo multi-box 3s, what class makeup would you use?

[Void]

Congrats on new high. Im doing it for a change of pace. 4 ele shamans for the past 3 years or so and im looking for somthing new. You hit 1800 in basicaly no time which is good enough for me. im looking forward to being alone ad being able to do games whenever i want. So you divine sac and bubble 1 pally at a time is that what im seeing? Or do you divine sac and make sure that toon gets your instant FoL's? Just curious

[Fat Tire]

I play my 5's team alone as you know, but I'm also doing a 3's team with a buddy. He's dual boxing a holy paly and unholy DK and I'm playing my Warrior who I kicked to the curb out of my pally group. We're up to 2140's but it's been a lot of ups and downs. 3's are a totally different beast but a lot of fun. Less chaos. Team link:
http://www.wowarmory.com/team-info.xml?r=Detheroc&ts=3&t=Fail+is+not+an+Adjective&select=Fail+is+not+an+Adjective


No you're not getting any videos, I'm a performance freak and won't spare a CPU cycle for anything. The game runs like shit sometimes for no reason as it is and scares the crap out of my in arenas.


hehe grats. I enjoy boxing 2s/3s more than 5s. I have 5 teams above 2k all 2s/3s thanks to wiz cleave but I am going to be selfish and not show vids/setup, its why I appreciate it when people show their setup/videos. They are better folks than me, I admit it,.

I decide to concentrate on 2s and 3s more because there is always a shit load more games and the ebb and flow of the game in general. Season 5 my 3 hunters were beasts in 3v3, not so much anymore. Wizcleave is where its at currently in 2s and 3s and I am sure the fotm comps will change again and again thru the seasons/expansion. It allows me to play a shit load of different characters with different specs. 2 dps are just a fucken blast in 2s. Ret/enh is amazing, destro/ele rocks the socks! Shadowcleave is just plain fun,etc etc.... currently working on another rogue for 2s, double rogue! I still stack classes for BGs/WG to maximize honor PNAD.

edit to say a thanks to kromtor because even with what little info you have released you have started a melee pvp revolution. In much the same way Ellay started shamans.

[GS4Clagg]

Very nice Krom. Congrats on that. Anyone that says, "Why box melee and dks to beat it all?" I tell them about you. They're like WOW! Of course I tell them you do the rets and one dk. Keep on keepin on man!

[Kromtor]

Very Impressive
If you were to solo multi-box 3s, what class makeup would you use?

Definitely 3 DPS. My DK is in a 3 DPS group rated 2111, prot DPS, unholy DK, afflic lock.. i'd do something like that but it'd be hard to play them all right but not as hard as mixing a healer.


I'll be able to get the weapons if there's another 2 or 3 weeks.

[heyaz]

I think Kromtor is a pretty cool guy. eh plays 5 melee and doesn't afraid of anything

[Multibocks]

lol "doesnt afraid of anything"

Where did that come from?

[drevil]

Give us video .. Now ! ;-)

[Fat Tire]

I heard about this guy who doesn't afraid of anything.

[Mokoi]

Yeah, I'd actually be interested in even seeing you doing practice 5v5 and showing up some pure carnage =)

I have had a DK / Ret team for a while I never took seriously just for points and fun and they have been a blast but they aren't even gemmed enchanted and im very happy to see you so high.

I'm still a little hazy on how though, as you said you control the DK manually and then the rets are on a click system? hmm.. interesting. do you have DS on its own button?

[Iceorbz]

Krom posted earlier that he seperates the divine storm so its not wasted while out of range.

[Multibocks]

Yeah, I'd actually be interested in even seeing you doing practice 5v5 and showing up some pure carnage =)

I have had a DK / Ret team for a while I never took seriously just for points and fun and they have been a blast but they aren't even gemmed enchanted and im very happy to see you so high.

I'm still a little hazy on how though, as you said you control the DK manually and then the rets are on a click system? hmm.. interesting. do you have DS on its own button?

This isnt going to happen until there are multiple ret groups out there highly ranked and everyone that faces them has a known strat for beating them. Would you want to share a video of practicing when you know there is a high possibility it will be used by the opposition? I'm even surprised he let us know that this comp works. If I had figured it out I would probably keep it a secret until I got my 2200 weps and full relentless.

[Mosg2]

You know, I hear that a lot but I'm still skeptical. I think a video gives you some more insight but is it really enough to make a difference? Do you really think so? I remain unconvinced. Anyone that would use the video has fought Kromtor a bunch of times and knows what's coming.

[Iceorbz]

I can learn alot about your screwups and see where you failed, especially if you post your losses if I see them in a video.

[Multibocks]

It's not that they dont know whats coming by now, but putting a video out there makes it real easy for people who only faced him once or have heard of "that palading multiboxer" can be shown a video of his strat. It's like giving the opposing team a playbook. It can ONLY hurt him by posting a video. He gains nothing out of it.

That and some people are a little more paranoid than others (including myself.)

[Fat Tire]

It's not that they dont know whats coming by now, but putting a video out there makes it real easy for people who only faced him once or have heard of "that palading multiboxer" can be shown a video of his strat. It's like giving the opposing team a playbook. It can ONLY hurt him by posting a video. He gains nothing out of it.

That and some people are a little more paranoid than others (including myself.)


http://www.squirrellegion.com/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=5670;type=avatar


No idea what your talking about.

[Ellay]

Lol what is that pic of? cabbage with tin foil?

I think when I made my Shaman vidoes there were a few pieces I wanted to keep under wraps at the time. Positioning was a huge important factor and the biggest weakness of the comp was getting rushed, the more the opposing team played defensively the easier it was to win a game. Building the hype on the Shaman team actually proved very fruitful since some teams were so timid they lost as soon as the gates opened.

This comp is all about offensive rushing, the only holes that I would not want to show is being effectively CC / kited, limit that out of the video and it should be fine.

[Mosg2]

I agree he has nothing to gain from posting a video... In game. I feel like this community exists to help better everyone involved. It's tantalizing to see his results and to actually get so little information about how it's achieved.

[asonimie]

Private arena forum section where verified arena boxers can share strat info/videos would be good. 30,000+ forum "members" and maybe 20-30 or so boxers actively pursuing arena = hrrmmm..... I am probably keeping my rogue progress hush hush (limited to private talks) unless something like this is instituted. Sharing videos may not be life or death but everything helps. Mystery is your friend.

[Mosg2]

Sooooo Ellay... What can you do for us vis a vis a private forum for pvp stuffs? :) If it allows everyone the peace of mind they need to share macros, videos, etc etc then I'll put whatever time into it is necessary to make it work.

[remanz]

I am not so sure about hiding information from the rest of the community. How can you verify or decide who to be put into this special pvp group. I doubt that any solo players will concern about fighting boxers enough to come and read boxing forums. People who are here are all with some interests in boxing. This is not the "xzin high warlord" age where people have no clues about boxers.

As for strategies, there are nothing more you can do than 5 individual players playing. People all know what you have. 1DK + 4 paladins, it is so obvious that you are going to zerg them. People expect you to use all your skills before you go down. So there is no reason to hide information like that. With interact with target, I don't see any positions either. They all just run around in circles. People beat boxers not because they have read our forums. They beat us because they have played us enough to know what will work.

A perfect example is asonimie's focus burst macro. I don't see how solo players will beat us by knowing that we are using this macro. They still don't know who we are bursting. All they know is that our current target might not be the one we are going to take down.


The only thing i see with private forum is to hide information from other boxers where you have reached certain ranks and others can't until they have figured things out.

[Mosg2]

Just showing someone's UI could be enough. Knowing if they have buttons for so-and-so might be sufficient enough to give an edge. /shrug

[asonimie]

I am not so sure about hiding information from the rest of the community. How can you verify or decide who to be put into this special pvp group. I doubt that any solo players will concern about fighting boxers enough to come and read boxing forums. People who are here are all with some interests in boxing. This is not the "xzin high warlord" age where people have no clues about boxers.

As for strategies, there are nothing more you can do than 5 individual players playing. People all know what you have. 1DK + 4 paladins, it is so obvious that you are going to zerg them. People expect you to use all your skills before you go down. So there is no reason to hide information like that. With interact with target, I don't see any positions either. They all just run around in circles. People beat boxers not because they have read our forums. They beat us because they have played us enough to know what will work.

A perfect example is asonimie's focus burst macro. I don't see how solo players will beat us by knowing that we are using this macro. They still don't know who we are bursting. All they know is that our current target might not be the one we are going to take down.


The only thing i see with private forum is to hide information from other boxers where you have reached certain ranks and others can't until they have figured things out.

This is the case nowadays, because shamans aren't as viable anymore and we aren't a threat for the gladiator title. If I hypothetically get my rogues to 2600 and start stealing gladiator titles from other players, I guarantee there will be huge target on our heads again and a decent forum QQ uproar.

[Iceorbz]

I am not so sure about hiding information from the rest of the community. How can you verify or decide who to be put into this special pvp group. I doubt that any solo players will concern about fighting boxers enough to come and read boxing forums. People who are here are all with some interests in boxing. This is not the "xzin high warlord" age where people have no clues about boxers.

As for strategies, there are nothing more you can do than 5 individual players playing. People all know what you have. 1DK + 4 paladins, it is so obvious that you are going to zerg them. People expect you to use all your skills before you go down. So there is no reason to hide information like that. With interact with target, I don't see any positions either. They all just run around in circles. People beat boxers not because they have read our forums. They beat us because they have played us enough to know what will work.

A perfect example is asonimie's focus burst macro. I don't see how solo players will beat us by knowing that we are using this macro. They still don't know who we are bursting. All they know is that our current target might not be the one we are going to take down.


The only thing i see with private forum is to hide information from other boxers where you have reached certain ranks and others can't until they have figured things out.


Sorry most of the people who pvp alot dont seem to agree with you. I dont see to many people saying hey here are my 5v5 losses. Why ? Because there *IS* information in the videos that will / could be deterimental to your "edge". There is really no reason a new person who joined two weeks ago needs arena tactics from others. I talked to super and with some of his stipulations it sounded good and relatively safe. Gurb on the other hand told me this isnt elitsts jerks. I don't feel that this is anything elitists. I would say if you can prove that you have a 3-4-5 box team @ level 80 you should be welcome to view others tactics and tricks. But letting every joe blow that can /register is not the secure option. I mean it's not going to affect me I can use PM like a champ and most people have been kind enough to respond. Others have stated that they will *not* post tactics openly anymore. So whos really being hurt by not having this, the answer is if your interested in arena tactics.. you are.

[heyaz]

The teams will figure out how to exploit and counter you just by playing them multiple times. There's really not much to learn about beating a shaman team, but I can imagine if a new comp comes along that's a big threat, putting up a video tutorial or posting macros - you can be certain your opponents will read it.

[Iceorbz]

The teams will figure out how to exploit and counter you just by playing them multiple times. There's really not much to learn about beating a shaman team, but I can imagine if a new comp comes along that's a big threat, putting up a video tutorial or posting macros - you can be certain your opponents will read it.

Yeah 100% true, not saying there are not counters or counters would not be developed. But its like having quest helper.. it's there why not use it =).

You can still do the quests without it, but it just makes it so much easier.

[Mokoi]

I would be up for a private forum thing, maybe everyone who wants to be a member must be invited by another member and also approved by admins of the section or something?

This would alleviate some of the secrecy on the forums about certain things, but i doubt it will get us a video from Kromtor :P

[Multibocks]

I guess you could link your multibox team and then we could decide whether or not you are legit. I'm sure something about that can be faked, though.

[Iceorbz]

Yeah I offered to help with verification. That was one of the ideas. Really hoping we could have gotten some word on this by now, super said he would speak to Ellay.

[asonimie]

Yeah I offered to help with verification. That was one of the ideas. Really hoping we could have gotten some word on this by now, super said he would speak to Ellay.

Ellay was active on the post yesterday, I'm sure he's read it.

[Fat Tire]

Sooo this special forum would be created in the off chance of a hand holding walk thru from kromtor? If anything, kromtor success has taught me one thing...................well 2 actually. ;p

[Fat Tire]

damn dble post!

[Iceorbz]

Sooo this special forum would be created in the off chance of a hand holding walk thru from kromtor? If anything, kromtor success has taught me one thing...................well 2 actually. ;p

No it's not a place for kromtor to hold our hands and post something, it would just be a "more secure" area then the regular information any tom dick or harry that can /register is able to view.

Kromtor has already stated here that he does not wish to post videos or show things due to its ability to possibly weaken his tactics.

[Fat Tire]

Kromtor has already stated here that he does not wish to post videos or show things due to its ability to possibly weaken his tactics.

I must have missed that. All I saw was due to CPU performance he was not going to make a video.

[heyaz]

I must have missed that. All I saw was due to CPU performance he was not going to make a video.

blah blah blah. My box is garbage - q6600 with a ati 3650 video card and I just fraps'd 10 arena games at 1440x900 res and I had zero performance issues. I couldn't even tell it was running. It's not performance preventing him from making a video

[Fat Tire]

blah blah blah. My box is garbage - q6600 with a ati 3650 video card and I just fraps'd 10 arena games at 1440x900 res and I had zero performance issues. I couldn't even tell it was running. It's not performance preventing him from making a video


:D

Gotta guard those special arena boxing tactics. WoW is serious business. I heard there is like a secret handshake and shit.

[valkry]

Sorry, can someone please point me in the direction of when this stopped being a game?

[Kromtor]

Sorry, can someone please point me in the direction of when this stopped being a game?
it was around the release of arenas

[TeamGrizzly]

So I guess Kromtor just dethroned Aelli from multiboxer God position and now Kromtor is our new God. Is Kromtor the ONLY multiboxer with such a high rating and who plays solo without a dedicated healer?

Nope. Video or it didn't happen...

[Kruschpakx4]

Nope. Video or it didn't happen...

ye he's wintrading xD
I think aelli got s3 and s4 gladiator, top streak 75-0? -> unmatched
my personal best this season 0-2k with 115 games, about 75% winratio but gladiator is impossible, perhaps i could get into top 20 but gladiator requires #2p at emberstorm bg

[Kromtor]

I'm just a multiboxer who got highly rated, that's not comparable to someone who dominated every match he was in with no losses. A lot has changed since then and with the current class balance and overabundance of AoE and AoE CC that's probably never going to happen again for multiboxer or otherwise.

[drevil]

big gz to the 2 top arena boxers: Kromtor (pos 26) & Kruschpak (pos 36)

i'm still waiting for a Kromtor vid!

[zhongguohua88]

If you can't post videos due to performance issues, could you at least post some screenshots? That would greatly benefit many of us!

[suprafro]

Random questions for the 1dk + 4 ret folks:

Worth Including consecration in spam sequence? use situationally only (vs melee cleave?)? or Never due to mana costs? I currently do not use it at all in arenas

Always do preemptive divine shield ->divine sacrifice in order to cover the first 40 seconds of combat? I'm currently using them reactively on whichever pally gets focused first pops DS->DS, though, this sucks when they focus my dk or split DPS which seems to happen far more often then having them focus a paladin

Blades edge: Riding under bridge and immediate DG to bring the fight to the ground (in most cases) or just ride up enemy ramp on your side and fight on the bridge, which do you prefer?

Vs 3dps 2 healer teams, who do you prefer dropping first? healer or dps?

Take the risk on initial gibs or hold cooldowns for guarenteed kills later into the fight? I began arenas using DG + rockets + 5x darkmoon cards to blow someone up in 1-2 globals, though this is tough to pull off against any halfway decent team multiple times. I'm thinking that jus topening with popped AP trinkets and holding rockets seems like a safer and repeatable strategy?

[Crel]

Just a big'ol'grats from me!
Keep recking, and stay out of my battle group!

[Stealthy]

Multiple posts deleted - flamewars are not tolerated here.

Next person that tries to start one will get themselves a 72-hour ban (I'm looking at you hotbabe).

[Svpernova09]

Multiple posts deleted - flamewars are not tolerated here.

Next person that tries to start one will get themselves a 72-hour ban (I'm looking at you hotbabe).


^^ this


and a note on a private forum:

I have not talked to Ellay about it yet, I was trying to figure out some methods first (see the sticky about armory data) Ellay hasn't said anything to me about it if he has read the posts about it, I'm sure he has, but when it comes to new forums, Ellay's opinion (unless he's changed it since his post on the matter) is we need fewer forums, not more. I couldn't agree more. I kinda understand both sides here. But at the same time, I'd rather not lock out anyone from content. If you dont' want to share information, don't. If you do, do. People have PMed me and I've replied back, but the conversations have all died with me putting an idea to them. So that is about where I stand on the idea.

[Shodokan]

I'm just a multiboxer who got highly rated, that's not comparable to someone who dominated every match he was in with no losses. A lot has changed since then and with the current class balance and overabundance of AoE and AoE CC that's probably never going to happen again for multiboxer or otherwise.

I'd like to say grats on your gladiator titles that will be incoming shortly. At least give us a screenshot of your characters on the frost wyrms when you get them ;)

[boxblizzard]

krom shares his technique and advice, but not his formula.

This is common sense i respect that, its fierce competition so he needs to keep it competitve.

90% of people i have asked for thier macro and indepth setup they dont reply, (its a gamble just to help me) but its up to them. we all share but some information is kept personal.

Use our brains, follow others advice and build a winning strategy

[Fat Tire]

I'd like to say grats on your gladiator titles that will be incoming shortly. At least give us a screenshot of your characters on the frost wyrms when you get them ;)

Need top 5 for gladiator in 5s. Best of luck Krom!

[hotbabe]

Multiple posts deleted - flamewars are not tolerated here.

Next person that tries to start one will get themselves a 72-hour ban (I'm looking at you hotbabe).

It's OK. you can ban me forever if you want. I will say whenever I want whatever I want. I realize I have to pay a price for that, but I don't give a shit. Ban me. Also the fact that the posts were gone made it kind of obvious that someone deleted them. But that wasn't enough, you had to also show that it was you who did it and that you had the power... of an admin on a website... If you wanted to be fair, you would ban all the people who participated in a flame war, not just the one who started it. And by the way, if you didn't delete the posts you could trace back to see who really started the flame war, it wasn't me. I just dared to say something that happened to hit a soft spot in some people.

[Svpernova09]

It's OK. you can ban me forever if you want. I will say whenever I want whatever I want. I realize I have to pay a price for that, but I don't give a shit. Ban me. Also the fact that the posts were gone made it kind of obvious that someone deleted them. But that wasn't enough, you had to also show that it was you who did it and that you had the power... of an admin on a website... If you wanted to be fair, you would ban all the people who participated in a flame war, not just the one who started it. And by the way, if you didn't delete the posts you could trace back to see who really started the flame war, it wasn't me. I just dared to say something that happened to hit a soft spot in some people.


Stealthy didn't delete the threads. I did. You were a douche and you got called out on it. Don't be mad. (lolumad?)

[hotbabe]

Stealthy didn't delete the threads. I did. You were a douche and you got called out on it. Don't be mad. (lolumad?)

........................

[Shodokan]

My bad... looks like you'll be getting duelist. Nice job though regardless.

[Fat Tire]

It's OK. you can ban me forever if you want. I will say whenever I want whatever I want. I realize I have to pay a price for that, but I don't give a shit. Ban me. Also the fact that the posts were gone made it kind of obvious that someone deleted them. But that wasn't enough, you had to also show that it was you who did it and that you had the power... of an admin on a website... If you wanted to be fair, you would ban all the people who participated in a flame war, not just the one who started it. And by the way, if you didn't delete the posts you could trace back to see who really started the flame war, it wasn't me. I just dared to say something that happened to hit a soft spot in some people.

This post right here is how/why flame wars start......why post then? /boggle

I am wondering if your intention was to bait members into trolling/flaming in hopes of getting them banned.

This thread is now about Kromtor and pie.


mmmm Kromtor pie

[daviddoran]

mmmmmmmmmmmmm pie

[Kang]

Congrat on your successes Krom! Looks like you are up over 2300 now. Keep pushing for the gladiator title!

[Ughmahedhurtz]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2642/4193298434_6545781958_o.jpg

Very nice achievement. ;)

[suprafro]

Kromtor fact #7

When Kromtor does a pushup, he isn’t lifting himself up, he’s pushing the Earth down.

[Zzc2]

Can he break 2400?!!M!@M:ds

[Kruschpakx4]

Can he break 2400?!!M!@M:ds

Yes he can!

[mikekim]

currently 2406 GZ...

[Emo?]

zomg. gzgzgzzgz srsly

[Mokoi]

2460 JESUS!! 2500 next???!!!???

CONGRATS!

My paladins haven't even broken 1200 :P

[Zugdud]

Congrats Kromtor, that's some amazing work!

[heyaz]

How high can he go?

[Selz]

2460 oO

damn m8, thats really awesome, good work push for gladiator :D

[Shodokan]

Holy shit man. If you get glad with that team... You can do it! Keep it up man you got like 2 more weeks!

[baztubox]

Fa Kin Su Pah

[Fat Tire]

Fa Kin Su Pah

qft


Best of luck kromtor. Try to secure your glad spot by queuing into the notorious 5s R1 wintraders. Its fairly common place for 2-3 teams to tie for rank 1 in the last 2 seasons. Usually the last week of the season push by most teams.

[Emo?]

Holy shit man. If you get glad with that team... You can do it! Keep it up man you got like 2 more weeks!

Its 2 weeks from that blizzard announce a new season so it can be 4 weeks or even more.

Still push it baby! :D

[remanz]

Somewhere along the lines I remember Kromtor said it was simply a zerg fest for him. This is totally NOT just zerg fest lol.

There are secrets that he is not sharing. I can't imagine to win (at least I am not winning playing this way) by attacking and locking down 1 target while letting 4 others running free. They CC me to no end.

edit: when heyaz posted his video, I see clearly how he wins. Swift switching on burst targets. Helping out healing with 4 shamans. Utilizing thunder storm + earthbind to avoid/kill melees. And of cuz having an elite priest friend.

http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=27324

For the dk + 4 paladins, I have not yet grasped a great strategy to play those CC heavy teams.

[Shodokan]

Somewhere along the lines I remember Kromtor said it was simply a zerg fest for him. This is totally NOT just zerg fest lol.

There are secrets that he is not sharing. I can't imagine to win (at least I am not winning playing this way) by attacking and locking down 1 target while letting 4 others running free. They CC me to no end.

edit: when heyaz posted his video, I see clearly how he wins. Swift switching on burst targets. Helping out healing with 4 shamans. Utilizing thunder storm + earthbind to avoid/kill melees. And of cuz having an elite priest friend.

http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=27324

For the dk + 4 paladins, I have not yet grasped a great strategy to play those CC heavy teams.

target X arena macros for HoJ etc... divine sacrafice rotations etc... he already said some of hit strats. Combining those with basic rushdown would work. Ofc there is more to it, and skill involved. But just like anyone who plays games and is very very good at it, or has a talent for something you can't expect them to just give everything away.

[Zugdud]

Hey Krom, now that you are rolling with SoCom + Glyph are you throwing down consecration as well now that you have all the extra incoming mana? Just curious

Again, awesome work!

[David]

2503! Keep pusching Relentless Krom!:o

[daviddoran]

according to http://www.arenajunkies.com/calculator/ for his battlegroup he needs to be in the top 5 to get gladiator. 5th place currently is at 2555, so it should be possible for kromtor to hit it, given his record, this week its 10-0..... gogogo!

[Boylston]

If you look at his rating progression history, you can clearly see that he broke through 2200 and has been skyrocketing up since.

Weapons make that much of a difference, eh?

[Owltoid]

I would assume it's because others had the weapons and were keeping him down. Now that he leveled the playing field from a gear perspective, and they no longer have a decent advantage, he's tearing through them.

This is extremely impressive. I think many of us hope to find a winning multiboxing combination that others haven't found success with before (aka anything but shamans) but Krom is taking it to extreme levels. I understand why he won't make videos, but I hope to someday see what is going on (maybe once he's bored or wants to try something else he'll make a video for everyone to see what his system is).

[Kromtor]

Hey Krom, now that you are rolling with SoCom + Glyph are you throwing down consecration as well now that you have all the extra incoming mana? Just curious

Again, awesome work!

You'll have the mana for it but it's not very effective vs. wizard cleave cause they're always on the move away from you. I use it situationally.

Thanks David, I didn't know about that calculator on arenajunkies. I guess I have to go for broke, but I could fall really fast with a few bad losses. We'll see.

[Ellay]

The ratings always get inflated at the tail end because teams trade points to boost one team up into the threshold. I would say guess what you think you need and get 30-50 points higher than that to be on the safe side. Ultimately if you want the duelist title as well mark where your threshold is that you can't fall below. It's pretty much gambling at it's finest :)

Also any value that you see in Hysteria or Vampiric Blood, with your spec you could drop points from the additional snare to grab these, but I'm not sure how crucial that extra snare component is when your already chains of icing.

[Shodokan]

You'll have the mana for it but it's not very effective vs. wizard cleave cause they're always on the move away from you. I use it situationally.

Thanks David, I didn't know about that calculator on arenajunkies. I guess I have to go for broke, but I could fall really fast with a few bad losses. We'll see.

Unless the calculator was updated it has last season's rating that you need.

You need top 5% for glad... so might have to do the math for your BG. Usually top 3. Honestly if you want glad you might have to win trade unless you are confident you can beat the top teams continuously. You need almost 200 more points for glad, thats if the top 3 don't win trade to the moon when they see you coming for the title.

[Multibocks]

I would hope that they do win trade and then just report them for cheating. Make it easy to be number1 team, lol.

[Fat Tire]

Unless the calculator was updated it has last season's rating that you need.

You need top 5% for glad... so might have to do the math for your BG. Usually top 3. Honestly if you want glad you might have to win trade unless you are confident you can beat the top teams continuously. You need almost 200 more points for glad, thats if the top 3 don't win trade to the moon when they see you coming for the title.

Top 0.5% mate

You cant bet on the past 4 seasons that top 5 will get you glad in 5s. Any lower and its a flip of the coin on blizzard inactives and new teams racing up the charts to get in range or to make sure their "mains" get glad/R1 the last weeks of the season.

Rest assured also that is common place for all the teams in range for rank 1 to report all the other teams.However, with that said there is an art to wintrading and people are getting damn good at it. Edit: When I say art I mean not getting caught/disbanded i.e. still receiving Rank 1/glad. Its more common in 5s since there are fewer teams receiving end of season awards.

[David]

Teams are close, real close. 50-60 points means spot 4 or 5 if i`m correct. CBA to recheck atm.

[outdrsyguy1]

lol, i tried win trading with 2- 2v2 teams I created and it sucked. Was very rare i'd ever get my same team, eaven at off hours its' like 1 in 4 games max. I was gonna try to get one of them to 1500 lol.

[Naysayer]

I'm not buying the whole "don't want my opponents to see my tactics" spiel. Your opponents can record the fight themselves and watch your tactics over and over, it's kind of silly to think you're hiding anything from them.

I'm going to go ahead and say what everyone else is thinking. You're probably not posting any vid's because you're hiding something about your gameplay setup other than strategy. Something you don't want us to see.

edit:

either way, of course you're not required to post videos, but you posted your success knowing full well that it would bring massive curiosity. You've been playing 1dk-4pally for a loooong time, so it's not hard to see that most of your success comes from experience. But, when you say you can't fraps due to performance issues it perks suspicion. I mean, you could fraps from a completely different pc. Hell, you could fraps from a piece of junk t-21 calculator on the side and not effect performance. I think people here have even offered to cover expenses for you just to see. Then came the excuses about not wanting to expose strategy to the enemies you play, the same enemies most likely frapsing the matches themselves.

People are curious, and there really isn't a good reason not to show some footage.

[grettir]

I think its fine he if doesnt want to share his secrets as long as there are no cheats involved.

For me, I think its great that he has sparked some curiosity with the rest of the community and now many are trying his team setup and exploring tactics around it.


btw, great work kromtor I think I can say for most of us - we truly hope you gain that gladiator title this season.:D

[Fat Tire]

lol, i tried win trading with 2- 2v2 teams I created and it sucked. Was very rare i'd ever get my same team, eaven at off hours its' like 1 in 4 games max. I was gonna try to get one of them to 1500 lol.

O-daniel-son( my best karate kid mr.miyagi voice)


You have much to learn :D

[Kromtor]

I'm a bit concerned that I'll accidentally record the 10 nimble hands of my 5 indonesian houseboys that I'm yelling orders at and my secret will be revealed.

But my framerates have been horrible since about 2 or 3 patches ago... I can't even do AV without it dropping to 3 FPS on my main comp and i've had close calls in arenas where it starts struggling but I've turned off projected textures which seemed to help but it sucks not being able to see hunter frost traps as a melee team. I'll make a tips and tricks thread though and I do plan on posting videos eventually.

[Fat Tire]

I'm a bit concerned that I'll accidentally record the 10 nimble hands of my 5 indonesian houseboys that I'm yelling orders at and my secret will be revealed.

But my framerates have been horrible since about 2 or 3 patches ago... I can't even do AV without it dropping to 3 FPS on my main comp and i've had close calls in arenas where it starts struggling but I've turned off projected textures which seemed to help but it sucks not being able to see hunter frost traps as a melee team. I'll make a tips and tricks thread though and I do plan on posting videos eventually.

This may seem obivious, but I had the same issue a while back and once I upgraded to the lastest videos drivers my fps was all good again.



Edit: There is some irony in this thread now for some reason. I remember getting my ass reamed for not showing proof of my teams. In kromtor case its tip/videos. Hell I could post a tip/tricks post to outdrsyguy1 post but I dont think the mods would like it or some other members who play wow with high moral ethics.

[Naysayer]

I'm a bit concerned that I'll accidentally record the 10 nimble hands of my 5 indonesian houseboys that I'm yelling orders at and my secret will be revealed.

But my framerates have been horrible since about 2 or 3 patches ago... I can't even do AV without it dropping to 3 FPS on my main comp and i've had close calls in arenas where it starts struggling but I've turned off projected textures which seemed to help but it sucks not being able to see hunter frost traps as a melee team. I'll make a tips and tricks thread though and I do plan on posting videos eventually.

Some say toe-may-toe and some say toe-mah-toe, just like some say 5 indonesian houseboys and some say 3rd party programs.

[Mokoi]

nevermind haha.

[Fat Tire]

Some say toe-may-toe and some say toe-mah-toe, just like some say 5 indonesian houseboys and some say 3rd party programs.

If all it took were generalized playstyle, houseboys and an uber aura trick I think alot more people would be in the 2k range.

[Mosg2]

Me and Void have talked a ot about this in-game Fat Tire and we've come to the conclusion that it's mostly due to the point we're at in the arena season. Even the scrub 1k-1200 teams have full Relentless from 3's or whatever.

I gained 250 rating this last Monday and I beat a couple 1700 and 2k mmr teams. The comp obviously works but takes a lot of patience and skill--Kromtor *did* say he had over 300 games played before he moved over to his new BG.

[Kromtor]

Ya you can't come into a season 3/4's in with a new team and expect to do well. I gave up on these team when I was at 2kish for a couple weeks cause I thought I hit my ceiling. You just gotta get full relentless it makes an enormous difference.

[Fat Tire]

Me and Void have talked a ot about this in-game Fat Tire and we've come to the conclusion that it's mostly due to the point we're at in the arena season. Even the scrub 1k-1200 teams have full Relentless from 3's or whatever.

I gained 250 rating this last Monday and I beat a couple 1700 and 2k mmr teams. The comp obviously works but takes a lot of patience and skill--Kromtor *did* say he had over 300 games played before he moved over to his new BG.

Absolutely, I agree and kromtor's post above hit on it. Sarcasm on the internet is sometimes difficult to detect and my humor is pretty dry making it almost impossible.

[noidentity]

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=22049843453&sid=1&pageNo=1

Kromtor you have fans on the forums. :P

[Kromtor]

just got beat by a good team... unfortunately they were only using 4 characters
that's nothing though i've been beaten by a team of 3 before.. after killing 2 off my guys were still all pretty high health but you can't kill what you can't hit and a smart team will tear you apart no matter how fast you're cleansing. and then there's blades edge arena... i think i hit the real ceiling this time.

[Mokoi]

. i think i hit the real ceiling this time.

lol I hope so, 2500 is pretty much THE ceiling haha =)

[daviddoran]

I love how ppl complain about boxing when one boxer is doing well..... most of use are not nearly as high, and they are ok with that as long as it doesnt hurt their ego... I think that Kromtor is just really good.

[asonimie]

just got beat by a good team... unfortunately they were only using 4 characters
that's nothing though i've been beaten by a team of 3 before.. after killing 2 off my guys were still all pretty high health but you can't kill what you can't hit and a smart team will tear you apart no matter how fast you're cleansing. and then there's blades edge arena... i think i hit the real ceiling this time.

Dont get too sure of your ceiling again, the ability to go 44-1+ above 2200 pretty much means there is no ceiling. No other team can do that. Best teams have a 80-85% win ratio and pray just to get 10-0 each week. Blades edge sucks the big one for melee boxing. IWT frenzy movement causes tons of falling off edges if they are nearby, and my rogues are really hard to control especially when sprinting around.

However, the trick to beating heavy LOS teams is sometimes to be defensive yourself. Pick a new spot, LOS them, heal up etc. As long as you are no more than 4 seconds from being able to corpse camp your kills, you're ok. Try new shit, you'll get em.

Note: My rogues are amazing and they kill very quickly, but I'm dealing with the undergeared issue still as I continue to slowly move them to relentless... and I can't kill everyone until I max out the gear. (Their results, however are very good fyi) BUT, because of your numbers and record the last few weeks with this team, I have also set up RAF and rolled a pally team. Obviously you are among the higher skilled pvp boxers, and I am excited to take my arena experience to enjoy some of your results as well. I plan on playing Rogue, Ret/DK next season since they will all be caught up on gear, and having a blast with 2-3 2000 rated teams :) (Affliction locks are so incredible if you can survive the initial melee charge/cleave/stun on your main, and they will be even more powerful in cataclysm)

Keep your chin up! ;) You WILL think of new ways to out-fox these smart teams. It just requires different ways of thinking.

Thank you, Kromtor, for your dedication and unveiling of a new movement in arena boxing. I support your success and wish you the best with titles this season. You're up for some stiff competition for highest rated boxer next season :)

[outdrsyguy1]

Don't give up Kromtor! Everyone loses sometimes and sometimes wierd shit happens. I"m totally amazed at your win streak at that rating.
I lost to 2 people once. It started as 5v5, i killed 3 and the 2 left proceeded to los me around pillars and stay on opposite sides of the arena rezing. I couldn't cast due to the los and if i spent more than 4 seconds on one side of the arena they rezzed another. Eventually it was back to 5v5 but I had very little mana.

I wish i could find a good reliable partner though. I know i don't have the skill to get 2k+ but I think i could get to 1800 which would be a real accomplishment for me someday :)

[Kruschpakx4]

2500 is really amazing, my 4ret dk team is now also 80, let's see how this shit works :>

[Barazanthul]

Could you please post your teamname Krush? So i can watch your progress? My 3 Retpallys are only level 25 at the moment.

[Seldum]

See his sign.

[Mokoi]

See his sign.

which his his shaman team. might be in the same guild though =)

[outdrsyguy1]

i'm guessing it's this, sorry for snooping Krush, was just curious about your arena stats too, but i see they haven't started yet ;)
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Arthas&n=S%C3%AAph%C3%AEn%C3%AA

[Kruschpakx4]

^ jep you got them^^
but first of all i have to get 2,2k with shamys :p

[Kruschpakx4]

lol http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=22418852448&sid=1
kromtor's 2nd fanboi thread :D

[remanz]

Finally some insights from people who got pwned by Kromtor lol.

"We were, at the time, playing Holy Paladin (me) / Destro / Frost / Marksman / Elemental. "
"And we never even got CLOSE to killing anyone on that team."

Wooooot!?

warlock, mage, hunter, and shaman not close to killing any1. Did they all get repened or something ?

[Fat Tire]

lol http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=22418852448&sid=1
kromtor's 2nd fanboi thread :D

No the real funny thing is the 7 page thread on arena junkies. "I have no friends cleave"
http://www.arenajunkies.com/showthread.php?t=143195


All these QQ posts remind of ellays quad shaman days.

[Kruschpakx4]

"I have no friends cleave"


yeh finally a name for my pally-dk 5v5 team xD

[suprafro]

And don't forget to read his team message board on AJ

http://www.arenajunkies.com/team/5v5/US/Detheroc/ZOMG_REPORTED/

[suprafro]

whoops double post

[daviddoran]

I love nerd rage. I always try and bait trade chat for QQ..... wow nerds are goood pickings for some RAGE lol

[Zappy]

I love nerd rage. I always try and bait trade chat for QQ..... wow nerds are goood pickings for some RAGE lol

I didn't think about it at the time, but I should have screenshotted bg chat. I was in an AV with you on my DK/Paladins (Skippys), and you should have seen all the crying about the multibox shaman team destroying everything.

[heyaz]

I didn't think about it at the time, but I should have screenshotted bg chat. I was in an AV with you on my DK/Paladins (Skippys), and you should have seen all the crying about the multibox shaman team destroying everything.

haha I'd love to see that. So much that I'm going to faction transfer one of my old alts and queue them up at the same time

[asonimie]

haha I'd love to see that. So much that I'm going to faction transfer one of my old alts and queue them up at the same time

hahahahahahaha i love it