Eve Online

[Squiggoth]

My other true love in the MMO Kingdom is EVE Online. For a quick reference, check out Skuggomann's avatar. That's an EVE-O avatar. It's a LOT of fun. I am imagining 10-boxing Thoraxes (a Gallente Cruiser, known for it's heavy dmg up close)...yumm.

Only problem is, as far as I know, no way to move the ship without doing a lot of mousework.

Anyone ever tried/contemplated/theorized multiboxing in EVE?

I mean, I do it all the time (1 cyno alt, 1 carrier alt, 1 scout), but never in a concerted effort to kill stuff (such as the 10-man Thorax squad I mentioned ;P).

[Squiggoth]

Well, any object on screen can be right clicked. It's all menu driven, rather than /slash commands in WoW.

To simply "drive off" in one direction you double click where you want to go.

I imagine if you could lock the camera somehow so it's always the same on all clients you could just broadcast the mouse, yeah...hmm...ideas...

[Ellay]

I tripled box Eve Online for about a month, but the clicking to every screen for many tasks was just too tedious for me.

[Ellay]

To be fair the game has a sort of /follow, you select your "main" and orbit it, and you can choose to orbit any distance you want. The difficult part is actually targeting, you can to click on the menu and lock down targets that way. Many NPC's also have the exact same name so it is hard to tell if your assisting the same target.

To be fair though the game is truly amazing though if you can get it to work :)

[thinus]

I almost checked it out myself... but after reading about developers being part of "corporations" (guilds) and cheating to boost them in game... I was completely turned off on the game. The mere thought of an employee cheating in game is horrible. Add in the fact that its a subscription based game and well.... yea. No thx!

I used to play EVE as well. The whole fiasco when an employee was caught spawning BPOs and giving it to his corporation really does leave a bad taste in the mouth.

Subsequent handling of the issue, lack of transparency, CCP employees still retaining high ranks in active corporations, node crashes during huge battles, exploiting by deliberately crashing nodes, etc was a big turn off. Also cheating, scamming, exploiting interface complexity and any manner of underhandedness is tolerated and even encouraged to preserve the "lawless space frontier" atmosphere.

There is also not much you can be effective at before about 6 months worth of skill training to pick up crucial base skills to make you somewhat effective.

As for multi-boxing it, I used to run 2 characters on 2 different comps but didn't link them up in any way. I mostly ran lvl 4 missions and my main cleaned out stages while the alt came in afterwards and looted and salvaged. The alt was mostly manufacturing skilled but I started training the alt to be a decent combat pilot to help finish the missions quicker and aimed at the new lvl 5 missions that were going to come out.

A friend suckered me back into WoW though.

[Squiggoth]

There is also not much you can be effective at before about 6 months worth of skill training to pick up crucial base skills to make you somewhat effective.

I could not disagree more. This is the fundamental reason why Goons are so powerful in the game. They take people who are interested in the game, train them in the basics, and let them loose. They took down the Titan, not anyone else. They, with their "ineffective" noobs.

They have a propaganda/recruitment poster that says (and I roughly paraphrase here):

We won, because their leader quit, because he was fed up with them being disorganized, because they kept asking where to go, because the next system over was mobbed by us, because their scout died, because you tackled him. Every person counts.

It's like that. As a BRAND NEW character you can at least do basic scouting and tackling and you can make the difference in something as major as a Titan kill.

So yeah, disagree on that. And the whole BPO thing...jeeze, it was a long time ago. The scandal bothered me too but it's a game. I still fight against BoB every day because it's fun. They had an advantage -- so what? I don't give up...psssh.. Anyway. =)

[Ughmahedhurtz]

I Played the trial for about 19 days. As space stuff goes, it's a beautiful engine. The first time I hit a skill that said "Time left to train: 23 days" pretty much killed it for me.

[Squiggoth]

That's a bit overkill. No skill you train at the start takes 23 days....at most you are talking like, maybe a rank 5 skill that will take 10-15 days, but if you pick up a new skill it'll take maybe an hour. And if you're smart about it you can really min/max your training time.

The greatest part about EVE for those who don't know is the training -- you train in "real time" whether you're logged in or not. So a 1 day training skill takes 1 day and you can just not log in if you feel like it.

Right now I am knee-deep in WoW raiding and multiboxing........but I also have 2 characters constantly training up. I only have to log in when I need to change the skill. I have a 60 million Skill point character and a 15 million Skill point character. There are programs to help you track your skills, plan for new skills, etc.

Anyway, not trying to sell the game to you (err, can't, it's free ;P ) just wondering in the back of my brain if it's possible to somehow synch clients...hmmm....

[sway]

I have also played EVE about 1 or 2 month in the beginning of 2007.
One account was the miner and with the second account i picked up the boxes and fly them to the station.

[thinus]

There is also not much you can be effective at before about 6 months worth of skill training to pick up crucial base skills to make you somewhat effective.

I could not disagree more. This is the fundamental reason why Goons are so powerful in the game. They take people who are interested in the game, train them in the basics, and let them loose. They took down the Titan, not anyone else. They, with their "ineffective" noobs.

They have a propaganda/recruitment poster that says (and I roughly paraphrase here):

We won, because their leader quit, because he was fed up with them being disorganized, because they kept asking where to go, because the next system over was mobbed by us, because their scout died, because you tackled him. Every person counts.

It's like that. As a BRAND NEW character you can at least do basic scouting and tackling and you can make the difference in something as major as a Titan kill.

So yeah, disagree on that. And the whole BPO thing...jeeze, it was a long time ago. The scandal bothered me too but it's a game. I still fight against BoB every day because it's fun. They had an advantage -- so what? I don't give up...psssh.. Anyway. =)

As a tackler you are useless without your gang/fleet backing you up. How long do you spend sitting at gates waiting for scouts? You probably don't even have guns fitted...?

If you are so effective why are you playing WoW while your characters are training?

Don't get me wrong, EVE is a good game. I am not disputing that. I just don't think it is the kind of game you can play unless you commit to it long term or if you have a problem dealing with the backstabbing underbelly encouraged in it. And be prepared to deal with attacks against your corporation forums if you ever go up against some of the other corporations.

And I personally have a problem with developers playing leading roles anonymously. I just don't think it is fair and I don't want to get involved in competition with someone else only to find out at some stage they got an unfair advantage. Especially when it takes you months to accumalate funds for a decent ship. But I suppose if you are flying a cheap T1 fitted frigate for tackling purposes you don't really care if you get blown up.

I enjoyed my time playing EVE but I never had the intention of becoming a cog in a big corporation. I never mined either. I mission ran mostly and now and then helped the corporation out on missions and hauling. My aim was to have a combat pilot and a manufacturer. To have an effective combat pilot or manufacturer takes a very long time.

My most enjoyable time playing was probably in my passive tanked Drake. That was one sweet setup. I got caught by pirates twice and managed to fight them off twice. They were unable to break my tank. I was in a Raven and saving up for a Navy Raven when I quit while my manufacturing alt was almost trained up to fly a freighter.

[Skuggomann]

Played it got all ships upp to dread and 1B ISK and Quit XD

[Squiggoth]

You misunderstand. I am not "playing WoW while my EVE characters skill up". I am playing both games all the time. I just recently found the wonders of multiboxing so LATELY my time has been occupied by WoW and "The Sisters".....but especially on weekends when the Euro/US timezones tend to merge better for big gangs I am on all the time. I'm a fleet commander for a very large alliance and I love it to death.

The whole fair/unfair/etc thing.....ya know, you gotta move past it. They pretty much fixed it (removed the unfairly distributed BPOs, locked the developer's "player" accounts, etc) and they created an entire division of "Internal Affairs" to look into that stuff.

If you're going to be so hung up on one incident a long time ago, it's probably best you don't play EVE -- it's a political world and if feelings are going to get hurt, you probably won't enjoy the game. =P

Look at me -- I'm the ultimate anti-BoB poster boy yet I got over the t20 BPO scandal like...months ago. I bitched and whined, and said "waah, unfair." Then I realized there wasn't much more to be done (CCP had already done a LOT to fix it) and moved on with my game. Now it seems to be the only reason people can find why EVE is not completely the best non-WoW MMO out there (and god-forbid, might actually be better than WoW in some regards).

To address your concerns about "Every person counts", the point is that every person counts means you have more than one person. CCP doesn't want one person to be a single pwnmobile, there is no point to it being an MMO then, just make it a "first person space sim". If all you wanted to do was train up to get a Titan, and take the years and years it would take to earn enough minerals/money to make one on your own, etc, then you're nuts. The fun of EVE is the corporations, alliances, political friends and enemies you make.

It really makes WoW seem like child's play.

[Squiggoth]

Played it got all ships upp to dread and 1B ISK and Quit XD

Okay, just so you know, I'm not criticizing your English, but I've seen you do it several times. The word you want is "up", not "upp". There is no "upp".

And that's a shame, you got to the point where you flew like, what, the 3rd most powerful ship (after Titans and Motherships) and just left? Any particular reason why?

You know, EVE really doesn't appeal to younger crowds, it needs a lot of attention, and the ability to wheel and deal, or to politicize your gameplay.

[thinus]

The whole fair/unfair/etc thing.....ya know, you gotta move past it. They pretty much fixed it (removed the unfairly distributed BPOs, locked the developer's "player" accounts, etc) and they created an entire division of "Internal Affairs" to look into that stuff.

If you're going to be so hung up on one incident a long time ago, it's probably best you don't play EVE -- it's a political world and if feelings are going to get hurt, you probably won't enjoy the game. =P

I was playing the game when it happened and I stopped playing shortly after. I am not hung up on one incident but you can't seem to understand that. I don't like the principle of it. It offends my competitive nature and sense of fairness. The incident just highlighted the problem with it.

And it wasn't just one incident. Several CCP employees were exposed, there were players unfairly banned for exposing CCP employees. There were lots of strange and inconsistent decisions made after node crashes and exploits.

And their "Internal Affairs" were by many considered to be a joke and just a front to pacify the masses and do some damage control to CCP's reputation.

Its all beside the point anyway.

My point is I just don't like the principle of developers playing high ranking roles in competitive end game. You need to see past one incident to the bigger picture.

How would you like to be in a WoW end game raiding guild that always seems to be one step behind another guild which always seem to show up for world bosses minutes before they spawn? I take it you also didn't have a problem with the guild in WoW that was banned for wall hacking when they were farming end bosses in instances without fighting anything else in the instance.

How would you like to be in an arena team that continually gets beat by another team with characters wearing gear they should not be able to?

I *EXPECT* the game company to be responsible and treat me fairly. I just don't think CCP is trustworthy. Hence, I won't ever play EVE competitively.


Look at me -- I'm the ultimate anti-BoB poster boy yet I got over the t20 BPO scandal like...months ago. I bitched and whined, and said "waah, unfair." Then I realized there wasn't much more to be done (CCP had already done a LOT to fix it) and moved on with my game. Now it seems to be the only reason people can find why EVE is not completely the best non-WoW MMO out there (and god-forbid, might actually be better than WoW in some regards).

As I said above, it is not the 1 incident it is the principle. EVE beats WoW hands down in a lot of areas. The market is probably the biggest. The EVE manufacturing/marketing/economy really embaresses WoW's tradeskill/AH system.


To address your concerns about "Every person counts", the point is that every person counts means you have more than one person. CCP doesn't want one person to be a single pwnmobile, there is no point to it being an MMO then, just make it a "first person space sim". If all you wanted to do was train up to get a Titan, and take the years and years it would take to earn enough minerals/money to make one on your own, etc, then you're nuts. The fun of EVE is the corporations, alliances, political friends and enemies you make.

Oh god, don't bring up the old tired don't play MMOs if you want to play alone argument. Especially not on multi-boxing forums.

[Squiggoth]

We're getting way off track here, but I'll address your points in order of importance:

I never once said CCP, Blizzard, or anyone doesn't want you to SOLO in their game. I said specifically they don't want any one person to be a SOLO PWNMOBILE (overpowered, able to insta-kill anything, etc). I do think both Blizz and CCP highly encourage solo play (how do you figure CCP lets you solo missions up to level 4 and even level 5 if you have a carrier)? To reiterate my point to begin with, they do NOT want a single person to have so much power in their game that others are helpless to try and do anything about it.

Multiboxing aside, it's just the way it works.

And I understand your principle of the whole t20 debacle but you mention "competitive nature" and "fairness" in the same sentence. Did you not get the lesson as a child that life is not fair? I'm not justfiying cheating, what they did was wrong. But you come across a bit....naive.

Anyway, I'm not here to convince you EVE is a game you should play. It obviously bothered you enough to leave, so, let's focus on the OP, please.

I've been multi-clienting EVE lately to see if I can synch mouse movements but the camera is my problem.

[Skuggomann]

Played it got all ships upp to dread and 1B ISK and Quit XD

Okay, just so you know, I'm not criticizing your English, but I've seen you do it several times. The word you want is "up", not "upp". There is no "upp".

And that's a shame, you got to the point where you flew like, what, the 3rd most powerful ship (after Titans and Motherships) and just left? Any particular reason why?

You know, EVE really doesn't appeal to younger crowds, it needs a lot of attention, and the ability to wheel and deal, or to politicize your gameplay.



Thanks for the head up XD the reason is prob that its spelled upp in my country

i quit EvE to play wow and it wasnt funn eny more

[thinus]

I never once said CCP, Blizzard, or anyone doesn't want you to SOLO in their game. I said specifically they don't want any one person to be a SOLO PWNMOBILE (overpowered, able to insta-kill anything, etc). I do think both Blizz and CCP highly encourage solo play (how do you figure CCP lets you solo missions up to level 4 and even level 5 if you have a carrier)? To reiterate my point to begin with, they do NOT want a single person to have so much power in their game that others are helpless to try and do anything about it.

And I never said I wanted to be solo pwnmobile. Not sure why you brought it up.


And I understand your principle of the whole t20 debacle but you mention "competitive nature" and "fairness" in the same sentence. Did you not get the lesson as a child that life is not fair? I'm not justfiying cheating, what they did was wrong. But you come across a bit....naive.

So wait...

What you are saying is that you can't be competitive *and* play fair? Or only naive people can be competitive and play fair?


Anyway, I'm not here to convince you EVE is a game you should play. It obviously bothered you enough to leave, so, let's focus on the OP, please.

I've been multi-clienting EVE lately to see if I can synch mouse movements but the camera is my problem.

Didn't mean to derail your thread I just really didn't like some of implications in your early posts.

[Squiggoth]

Okay, you're not reading my posts. The reason I brought up a solo pwnmobile is because (this is the timeline of events):

1. I said CCP doesn't want you to be a solo pwnmobile, they want you to group to be very strong.

2. You said "oh don't give me that 'they don't want you to solo' crud"

3. I said "no, reread, I said solo PWNMOBILE, not simply solo"

That's why I brought it up.

Secondly, I'm saying that in REAL LIFE (let's back up and see the big picture) life is not always fair. Stuff happens; people get advantages. How YOU decide to deal with it (fight harder vs. walk away) is up to you. I'm not saying to be competitive you need an advantage; I'm saying people will have advantages from time to time, and your response in competition is to walk away from it. My response is to push through and show that in the end those advantages meant nothing.

Don't villify me; read my posts. Try to see things from my perspective as I have seen them from yours.

[thinus]

Okay, you're not reading my posts. The reason I brought up a solo pwnmobile is because (this is the timeline of events):

1. I said CCP doesn't want you to be a solo pwnmobile, they want you to group to be very strong.

2. You said "oh don't give me that 'they don't want you to solo' crud"

3. I said "no, reread, I said solo PWNMOBILE, not simply solo"

That's why I brought it up.

Secondly, I'm saying that in REAL LIFE (let's back up and see the big picture) life is not always fair. Stuff happens; people get advantages. How YOU decide to deal with it (fight harder vs. walk away) is up to you. I'm not saying to be competitive you need an advantage; I'm saying people will have advantages from time to time, and your response in competition is to walk away from it. My response is to push through and show that in the end those advantages meant nothing.

Don't villify me; read my posts. Try to see things from my perspective as I have seen them from yours.

No, you don't see my point at all. You think you do but trust me, you don't have a clue. And the implication I resent is that you label me as some kind of quitter because I choose not to compete in a game where the administrators of the game is corrupt.

Don't villify you? Go read your own posts. You label me as a quitter and keep saying I need to get over stuff and move on etc and you accuse me of villifying you?

Yeah right. I am done here.

[Lost Ninja]

I play EVE, its a great game even if you aren't what you might call an active PvPer like me. I have four accounts though only two are active at once most of the time. My main is working Cov-Ops cruisers (already have my BS and loads of combat stuff), my main miner is working on her Hulk (big mining ship) and my other two are working on lower combat skills and haulage.

I even have EVE open when playing WoW, its great can sit and chat to corp mates then make a fool of myself asking for a corp invite in IF. :D

Plus the fact that very long training skills can be done even while the account is suspended make it a superb game.

For multi-boxing... not really, its a multi tasking game more than anything.

@Skuggomann

Stuff plz... ;)

OMG what I couldn't do with a billion Isk... hell I could keep all my accounts active at once for a while... Yes thats right folks good EVE players can fund their addiction with in game currency. :D

[grettir]

I still play EVE, a truly great game in many ways.

For multiboxing, its good for missions and mining. But CCP doesnt do a very great job with their pve content. This kinda anoys me greatly, they could do a much better job mixing their pvp with pve. A big part of the problem is the faction loot that none wants to loose and stupid rewards in low sec.

:lol: UPP skuggo, godur...