Rets Arena Week Three

[Mosg2]

I had to trim a bit to get it under 10 minutes for youtube, but here it is. There were two games where I forgot to hit my /focus key and you can see them running after someone else after a target switch. I am an idiot. In any case, here are some thoughts in no particular order:

1. Remembering to hit your focus key is paramount.
2. Target selection is also paramount. Getting a target to <10% isn't effective if they don't die.
3. I think I need to rush immediately and save DG for runners.
4. I need to work on my Cleanse system so I can spam one button and everyone will get Cleansed after two globals.
5. I need a new weapon. Thank god for 266dps free 2h'er in patch 3.3.

Comments and suggestions are welcome. Unhelpful snide comments not so much :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzCCdwOkRHQ

And a link to my team:

http://www.wowarmory.com/team-info.xml?r=Gorefiend&ts=5&t=All+Too+Easy&select=All+Too+Easy

Since the games I've made two pieces of blue--->epic gear upgrades on each of the toons.

[simpletom]

considering that was your first 10 games i think a 50% win ratio is very impressive

im not even close to your level but i was just wondering why you dont use conceration so much? surley x4 with that amount of melee on you and also the ability to dg and COI on the healer would put out some pretty heavy damage.

also how are you managing your heals for your paladins do you just use FOL when you get a art of war proc?

how are you finding aoe fears without the tremor totem?

your defently going to be putting out alot of hurt when you get your new weapons.

very excited about my own dk pala team thanks for posting this :)

[Mosg2]

This was week three. The other two weeks went similarly. Basically, either I gib someone and then have my DS and trinket for AE fears and cc or I have to blow them and I still don't kill them. I rarely have a wear-down fight where I slowly get a guy down so the CC is less of a problem.

Living through an AE fear once you've gibbed two of their DPS is much easier :)

[asonimie]

for god sakes get gladius, I can't stand watching without knowing enemy health status.

[Fat Tire]

or hell even turn on the wow arena frames

[Gramzngunz]

fun vids to watch for sure!
I agree i would like to see the movies w/ enemy health bars and stuff, not knowing how many guys are left and their HP and stuff takes away a bit of the fun of the watch, because you're not sure what's going on all the time.

[Mosg2]

When I shot this I was in a hurry--Fiance having issues, price checking and ordering a new computer, plus homework--Sometimes things slip my mind :)

Gladius is on my to do list. I'd like to rearrange my UI a bit but I'm not sure where to go. I tried out Vuhdo and Grid but I couldn't get them to properly show Player and Target or get the Group to look nice. Anyone have any suggestions for this?

[asonimie]

When I shot this I was in a hurry--Fiance having issues, price checking and ordering a new computer, plus homework--Sometimes things slip my mind :)

Gladius is on my to do list. I'd like to rearrange my UI a bit but I'm not sure where to go. I tried out Vuhdo and Grid but I couldn't get them to properly show Player and Target or get the Group to look nice. Anyone have any suggestions for this?

suggestions for showing group targets? enemy targets? I use pitbull party bars which shows group targets, targetoftarget shows enemy target, and gladius shows the overall situation. There is no way you are properly selecting kill targets without arena frames of some sort. Tab targeting and grabbin whatever target looks decent isn't good. Take the guesswork out and get it now, you'll kick your old self.

[Fat Tire]

Only takes a second to go into the interface and check the arena frames box. Dont need to have gladius

[Mosg2]

I use Pitbull and I like it but I'd like to use Clique and a repeater region for healing but there's no way in Pitbull to force show your guys in a raid. I don't want one setup for arenas and one setup for BG's if I can help it.

I've only got 2-3 pieces of upgrades for them right now left, so my plan is to do a lot of arena'ing this week. I'll fraps everything and see how it goes.

[heyaz]

Yeah you need gladius like whoa

But I enjoy watching it

except those male dranaei.. how do you guys play those hideous things?

[Mamut]

Thanks for sharing your progress with us.

How are you handling your healing? I've been using a heal key for each party member as well as a self heal and focustarget heal. My keybind real estate is pretty scarce but i cant think of another way to handle it.

[Ualaa]

You seem to do better in the matches where you or your opponent closes immediately.
As opposed to the ones where you have distance for a while.

Maybe suddenly being on them is a decent strategy.

[Mosg2]

I haven't taken any of my games so far very seriously. I know that's not the best attitude but I didn't realistically expect to rocket to 1800 with half blues and 400 resilience. Now that I'm at ~650 res and almost full purples I'm going to be doing a *lot* more games. With the experience I've had so far, as Ualaa pointed out, I think the basic strat is this:

Charge immediately once you've got a target. Zerg them down. Hungering Cold on the DK and if they trinket immediately Repentance splash on arenatarget1-4. Rinse/repeat, using Deathgrip to pull in runners.

So, I need:

1. Gladius
2. Better cleanse/HoF macros
3. Some skill :)

[heyaz]

You seem to do better in the matches where you or your opponent closes immediately.
As opposed to the ones where you have distance for a while.

Maybe suddenly being on them is a decent strategy.

oh man rogues

[Mosg2]

The more I play the Rets in BG's and Arenas I feel that Rogues are going to be the new thing. Insta gib on a target? 2 global kills against 1100 res and 30k hp? MS+Snare+Mind Numbing? Splash Blind on arenatarget1-4?

[asonimie]

The more I play the Rets in BG's and Arenas I feel that Rogues are going to be the new thing. Insta gib on a target? 2 global kills against 1100 res and 30k hp? MS+Snare+Mind Numbing? Splash Blind on arenatarget1-4?

:)

We will soon see. Had a priest healer on me last night in WSG, I just solo'd the enemy horde team over and over with maybe 1-2 other people helping. Rest ran flag 2x in 4 mins and we farmed kills for 20 mins. Rogues are extremely fun in BGs if nothing else.

[David]

5. I need a new weapon. Thank god for 266dps free 2h'er in patch 3.3.
What is this one that people talk about? Shadowmourne?


Charge immediately once you've got a target. Zerg them down. Hungering Cold on the DK and if they trinket immediately Repentance splash on arenatarget1-4. Rinse/repeat, using Deathgrip to pull in runners.
Mind explaining macro`s and how you do this with repentance?:D


The more I play the Rets in BG's and Arenas I feel that Rogues are going to be the new thing. Insta gib on a target? 2 global kills against 1100 res and 30k hp? MS+Snare+Mind Numbing? Splash Blind on arenatarget1-4?
I`m thinking of leveling me a team of rogues. 1dk and 4pallies din`t ammuse me to much and 5 rets are terrible it seems, a good mage + shaman can kite you forver. Even some good mages alone can.

What do you suggest then? 4 or 5 rogues? Don`t think 5 rogues in arena can pull it off alone. Maybe a druid healer will be needed?

On topic:
I like the movie, nice pvp action hehe. I noticed that you get a lot of undergeared guys as well. I end up fighting relentless teams with 30k+hp. My 5 rets cannot take down a full relentless disp priest lol. Tho I`m still heirbloom weapons and shit gear.

[Iceorbz]

I hate to want to crash the thread, but i would ask if you have real questions about the setup we should be taking this stuff to pm's. Or maybe a different area we could signup for so our weakness arent on blast to the world.

[Mosg2]

What is this one that people talk about? Shadowmourne?
Quel'Delar. It's a quested 2h sword from the new 5 man instances coming in 3.3. It's cake to get--A few hours tops.


Mind explaining macro`s and how you do this with repentance?http://www.dual-boxing.com//images/smilies/biggrin.gif
Since Blizzard added arena unit frames they're now valid targets for [target=] stuff. So, each guy has a macro:
/cast [target=arenatarget1] Repentance
This goes sequentially up so you get 4 guys. Sure, it's not always going to be in range or facing but even if you only get two off...


I like the movie, nice pvp action hehe. I noticed that you get a lot of undergeared guys as well. I end up fighting relentless teams with 30k+hp. My 5 rets cannot take down a full relentless disp priest lol. Tho I`m still heirbloom weapons and shit gear.
I'm with you. Once you get some gear though you'll see a *huge* difference in your output. I promise :)


I hate to want to crash the thread, but i would ask if you have real questions about the setup we should be taking this stuff to pm's. Or maybe a different area we could signup for so our weakness arent on blast to the world.
I'm with you in the sense that I don't want to share with people my strats on how to beat me but I don't feel like there's an effective way to prevent that other than just not communicating :) I think this is a great place to get innovation. I'd say boxers in general are pretty innovative :) In any case, I'll be happy to answer any specific questions via PM myself.

[Ruodhaid]

I would love to have your macros postet, as i have a dk in 59 and 4 rets in 62 planing to av level them over the next few weeks. would be awsome just to copy paste your macros and work from that instance of making my own

[Iceorbz]

I requested of Supernova for a section for arena tactics that members can apply to view / post in, this way we can share tactics with people who are trusted and not worry about it getting out to those who may just signup to view our information.

We will see if he can help us, I think people would be more comfortable in a different forum group with known people instead of just basic members. This way information can get out, and stay safe. Let's see what they can do =).

[Mamut]

I requested of Supernova for a section for arena tactics that members can apply to view / post in, this way we can share tactics with people who are trusted and not worry about it getting out to those who may just signup to view our information.

We will see if he can help us, I think people would be more comfortable in a different forum group with known people instead of just basic members. This way information can get out, and stay safe. Let's see what they can do =).

Thats a fantastic idea, but who decides who is trust worthy and based on what criteria?

[Mosg2]

I think if you could prove that you have a multi-boxed team that'd be good enough. /shrug

[Ruodhaid]

I think if you could prove that you have a multi-boxed team that'd be good enough. /shrug

if i can prove i box will you share macros ? :)

http://www.dual-boxing.com/wiki/index.php/User:Ruodhaid <- outdatet but there
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxjF10jrPBQ <- my shamans in dalaran arena
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WuzZ6zlS4w <-- my hunters in westfall
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhFSdW5E5_w&feature=related <-- my paladin / shamans in brd 2008
http://www.vimeo.com/5585886 <-- my season 6 arena movie
http://www.vimeo.com/4392296 <-- mech heroic boxing back when paladins had imba imba dps

My team that im working on atm dk pala pala pala pala
dk (http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Runetotem&n=Yetanja)
ret1 (http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Runetotem&n=Yetine)
ret2 (http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Runetotem&n=Yetina)
ret3 (http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Runetotem&n=Yetrine)
ret4 (http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Runetotem&n=Yetove)

[Iceorbz]

Man fuck me really, I cant believe your queing and getting to fight people with 18k hitpoints or a dk with just 27k.

This stuff is going to make me switch servers

This is like one of the first teams i ran into multiple times.
http://www.wowarmory.com/team-info.xml?r=Bladefist&ts=5&t=Exalted+With+Your+Mom
25 trial geared players

http://www.wowarmory.com/team-info.xml?r=Winterhoof&ts=5&t=PANDASAURESREX&select=PANDASAURESREX
2k rated arena teams

http://www.wowarmory.com/team-info.xml?r=Uther&ts=5&t=hawt+blondes&select=hawt+blondes
25 man heroic geared players (the lock raped) But they werent that good.

http://www.wowarmory.com/team-info.xml?r=Vashj&ts=5&t=This+aint+seaworld&select=This+aint+seaworld
2100 5v5 Arena Rating

http://www.wowarmory.com/team-info.xml?r=Cenarion+Circle&ts=5&t=Excuse+Me+While+I+Burst&select=Excuse+Me+While+I+Burst
2k+ rated 3v3 players doing 5's.

http://www.wowarmory.com/team-info.xml?r=Echo+Isles&ts=5&t=Here+for+the+points&select=Here+for+the+points
Mostly t9 geared players, not good skill.

http://www.wowarmory.com/team-info.xml?r=Echo+Isles&ts=5&t=Free+Point+LULZ
Mostly players geared in tier 9 and trial 10 weapons or >

[Mosg2]

Haha that's horrible man.

Ruodhaid, are you looking for macros for everything or just in general what I use?

[Ruodhaid]

well tbh im super lazy and i know nothing at all about dk´s so while leveling him from 55 to 60 i kinda just mached my keybord and hoped for the best, it worked out pritty okay :P

the only macros i have is those Tdog postet for 5 palas and thats along time ago

i would relly like if you postet as mucth of it as you can so i can get startet on the av grind, just the pvp macros.

[asonimie]

I hate to want to crash the thread, but i would ask if you have real questions about the setup we should be taking this stuff to pm's. Or maybe a different area we could signup for so our weakness arent on blast to the world.

I agree. I will not openly be sharing Rogue information on pvp forums like I did shamans. PM me once you have questions.

[asonimie]

I requested of Supernova for a section for arena tactics that members can apply to view / post in, this way we can share tactics with people who are trusted and not worry about it getting out to those who may just signup to view our information.

We will see if he can help us, I think people would be more comfortable in a different forum group with known people instead of just basic members. This way information can get out, and stay safe. Let's see what they can do =).

AMAZING IDEA!!!! 8 thumbs up Nova!!

[heyaz]

8 thumbs up Nova!!

oh my lord

i see wut u did thar

[Chronic1337]

How can you keyboardturn so fast? :/

Nice video!

[Emo?]

Cool to see rets work in arena, seasm really hard tho. I wish you all luck! :)

[Ualaa]

I like the idea of a section which is protected.

It's a lot easier to communicate in a thread format.
And everyone can see a suggestion and comment on it.
Which increases the chances of improving us all.

But we certainly don't want to let others know what we're doing.
As that gives them an easier time in countering us.

I've not done competitive arena at all really.
But find a ton of the stuff here, as extremely useful to my sporadic entries into BG's.
And very much enjoy the pvp videos/tutorials posted, especially those with decent visual quality.

[Crel]

Thnx alot for showing your loss's. Its just as important to see what works as what does not and for any other multis that desire to mimic your team will see the actual problems involved. Good work sir!

[Fat Tire]

Thnx alot for showing your loss's. Its just as important to see what works as what does not and for any other multis that desire to mimic your team will see the actual problems involved. Good work sir!

Adding to this. Thank you very much for posting your video its much appreciated.

[Mosg2]

Anyone know of a better editing software that will preserve the quality better? I hate that the raw video footage looks so amazing but the video here looks like trash.

[Maxion]

What ended up working for me (finally got the HD tag on youtube) is to record at full resolution in fraps (prolly don't need this part, but I do it anyway), and selecting 16:9 in the options for windows movie maker, and then when publishing, select the xbox mode for encoding.

[asonimie]

Anyone know of a better editing software that will preserve the quality better? I hate that the raw video footage looks so amazing but the video here looks like trash.

I found a "free version" <cough> of the new cyberlink powerdirector v8. It works great and has a special "youtube HD" quality where it will process AND upload / tag your video to youtube while afk. Check my videos for quality... i think they are at 720... but look good to me.

[Mosg2]

Awesome, thanks for the tip Asonimie. I'll see if I can't liberate some software from the evil corporate oppressors myself this afternoon. Cough.

In other news:

My DK only needs one upgrade from blue-->purple and the Rets have two. I'm going to marathon it this weekend including waking up for each and every WG that goes on and then see if I can't start some serious arena'ing on Sunday night. With my new computer I can run Fraps basically full time without taking a framerate hit so my plan is to record some BG's too.

Would anyone be interested in some BG videos or not?

[asonimie]

Awesome, thanks for the tip Asonimie. I'll see if I can't liberate some software from the evil corporate oppressors myself this afternoon. Cough.

In other news:

My DK only needs one upgrade from blue-->purple and the Rets have two. I'm going to marathon it this weekend including waking up for each and every WG that goes on and then see if I can't start some serious arena'ing on Sunday night. With my new computer I can run Fraps basically full time without taking a framerate hit so my plan is to record some BG's too.

Would anyone be interested in some BG videos or not?

Um... this pretty much sums up my mentality this weekend. It's 4pm... I'm wasted.. and workin hard on my rogues for the next 50 hours.

[Mosg2]

Debating server transferring back Horde (again) after I get this next honor piece and then just farming WG. On my server Horde wins maybe 90-95% of WG battles. Hmmm.

[Mamut]

Id love to see some BG footage in addition to arena. You run the DK as the main as I'm sure most of us do. Have you thought about having it run as one of the alts?

I've been thinking of this just to see how it plays out (and my DK is lesser geared then my paladins) and it might keep the DK from being focused so much. I really hate losing the DK first with the snares and DG.

[Mosg2]

I thought about it but I feel like you'd lose a lot of the control. Plus you'd have to trade back for instances unless you went with a Pally tank.

[asonimie]

How much gear did you need until you started seeing kills?

[Mosg2]

I did 4-5 games tonight after my team got their last blue-->purple upgrades. All the teams were ridiculously geared and coordinated. It was silly.

I still manage kills but getting 2 of them down isn't a win :)

I'm going to do more games tomorrow night. My first instinct is going to be to drop a Ret for a dedicated healer. Running all of'em by myself makes me uncomfortable--In BG's the opposition is uncoordinated enough that I don't usually have to heal mid-fight whereas in arenas it's the opposite.

Started back up on the Rogues. I'm honestly more excited than them about the Rets at this point. A *guaranteed* initial kill is pretty sexy.

[asonimie]

answer my question nublet.

[Mosg2]

As soon as I hit 80 I went 5-5 with 2 or 3 purple pvp pieces and the Titansteel Destroyers. So that's when I was getting kills :)

[asonimie]

As soon as I hit 80 I went 5-5 with 2 or 3 purple pvp pieces and the Titansteel Destroyers. So that's when I was getting kills :)

equal geared opponents?

[Iceorbz]

Asom, you can look at my fights. But in Blue gear I wasnt able to drop any double healer even with a geared rogue partner.

This week I have alot more upgrades though, we will see. I expect someones going to die. Up to about 2300 dps on a heroic target dummy, I figure once i get about 3k dps ill have no problems farming heroics. Equal geared no problem at all ill fucking stomp all over someone.

I have yet to see = gear though >.<

[Mosg2]

They overgeared me a bit I'd say. Not horribly though.

I'm still really bothered by not having a dedicated healer. It's something I have to get comfortable with I think. Tonight when there's a ton of teams playing I'm going to do more games and see if I can get mroe used to it.

[asonimie]

Asom, you can look at my fights. But in Blue gear I wasnt able to drop any double healer even with a geared rogue partner.

This week I have alot more upgrades though, we will see. I expect someones going to die. Up to about 2300 dps on a heroic target dummy, I figure once i get about 3k dps ill have no problems farming heroics. Equal geared no problem at all ill fucking stomp all over someone.

I have yet to see = gear though >.<

Same problem here. Tried Qing all day saturday and was the same 5 full relentless teams @ 1500 rating lol. It's a lil disheartening in full blues going against full geared opponents all the time, but I gotta remember what the shamans were like :P They sucked more.

In better news... I think my rogues are going to RAPE in 3v3... might hit 1800 that way. Yesterday I went against a couple 3x dps teams and just FOKd them to death lol. I think once I gear my single target burst up (and its not blues vs furious)... It'll be insane.

[Mosg2]

Lol that's crazy Asonimie. Let's see your videos that you promised!!

^_^