new to 10 boxing

[RCmag13]

Hey guys,

First time posting here and I wanted to get some feedback from some of the veterans out there...

I have been leveling 2 groups of toons preparing them for some 10 boxing action once we hit 80. Here is my group makeup so far.

Group 1

Holy Paladin
2xDestro Warlocks
Holy Priest
Fire Mage

Group 2

Frost DK
3x Elemental Shaman
1x Resto Druid

Is it feasible to do the 10man raid instances with this setup? Will I need to reconfigure the group somewhat in order for it too work?

Currently, both teams are at 72 and I've done Utgarde Keep. Initially, was having problems with Prince Kesseleth but after a few runs the instance is a cake-walk. I'll be moving to Nexus runs pretty soon.

I'm looking to do 10 mans as far as I can go before I start running into problems. I really enjoy the challenge and the ability to do my own instances.

Thanks,

Hiethor
Heuthor
Heethor
Hythor
Hithor
Doroun
Doraun
Doruun
Dorein
Doroin

Alterac Mountains Server

[Bot]

only issue i see is you only have 1 tank listed. most 10 man encounters are better with or require 2 tanks. unless you meant to type prot pally. other than that i think you've got what you need depending on gear. you may find you want 3 heals though.

[RCmag13]

Err yea, meant prot pally not Holy paladin...

So I may end up having to convert one of the Shaman to a resto.

[daviddoran]

You could always practice in Karazhan. Get some 10 man experience, and maybe even some gear upgrades.

You should be fine with only 2 healers, but having a third is a good option. Dual specs helps you out a lot here. I'd dual spec 1, or maybe even 2 shaman resto. And make your DK have a DPS off spec too. Someone's gonna need all that plate DPS gear that drops.

[HPAVC]

I agree on the practice, I have spent a lot of time doing ZG/MC/BWL/AQ for giggles just to get my off tank, decursing/dispelling and dance moves right. Starting the 10 man raiding when the little guys are sub 60 is sort of fun trying to be johnny on the spot for all of them.

http://raidcomp.mmo-champion.com/?c=errhb2mmm6000000000000000000000000000000

One thing about your group is that cleaning totem is a party wide effect and warlocks eat up that healing pretty massively if they were in the same group.

http://raidcomp.mmo-champion.com/?c=errmm2mhb6000000000000000000000000000000

[RCmag13]

Wow, thanks for all the advice and help guys!

I think I'll practice in the old worlds first before trying anything major. It sounds like I may have to redistribute some toons to other groups.

Currently, the way my groups are setup is the way i have been running instances. I will probably switch them over to HPAVC's suggestion once I get into the raid thing, as well as switching one of those shaman's over to resto or dual speccing one.

http://raidcomp.mmo-champion.com/?c=errom2hbm6000000000000000000000000000000

[RCmag13]

Hopefully I'm not getting carried away here, but I was thinking about adding 2 more shamans in another group for 2 goals:

Goal 1: I can do a 5 man Shaman pvp group in bg's and arena
Goal 2: both Shamans could serve as replacements for other folks in the group if required.

What do you guys think?

http://raidcomp.mmo-champion.com/?c=errom2hbm6mm0000000000000000000000000000

[TheBigBB]

I would have picked two of the same healers and tanks, or made more symmetry between the groups. The DPS are still good to be mixed up if you just make castsequence macros and group similar abilities onto the same buttons, but the tanks and healers should be more in control than what you will end up doing with them as mixed classes. I guess you should practice a lot in Kara and ZA before you do Naxx to see if you can work it out.

My solution to 10 man boxing was to have 2 computers 5 boxing, and each main window was a tank wth its own mouse. Then I push a button to focus one or the other tank, or to split focus, and attack the focus target. And both of my teams are almost the same, so that by doing 5 mans with them I get really good at knowing what they're doing, and then doing 10 mans feels really natural. I tank and heal with different buttons than I DPS with, also. I think you ought to consider that. Try to avoid castrandom macros, as well. Plan it out, don't let the game decide for you.

[TheBigBB]

Hopefully I'm not getting carried away here, but I was thinking about adding 2 more shamans in another group for 2 goals:

Goal 1: I can do a 5 man Shaman pvp group in bg's and arena
Goal 2: both Shamans could serve as replacements for other folks in the group if required.

What do you guys think?

http://raidcomp.mmo-champion.com/?c=errom2hbm6mm0000000000000000000000000000

Using your 3 shaman plus any other DPS in a PVP arena might be a lot better than giving yourself even more characters to gear up. Keep in mind that you can buy PVP gear with badges, and high-end PVE gear is still good in PVP, it's just not ideal because you'll get crit a lot. But it'll be a lot better than taking two blue/green shamans in with you.

[RCmag13]

Hmm, sounds interesting on both accounts. I guess I can't truly know how I want my group composition to be until I do a few raid instances.

I have 2 very nice comps so the plan was to have 2 seperate keyboards and mice and run 5 accounts on each machine. My goal right now is to hit 80 after that I will do some older raids to try and figure out what works best for my current setup. I'm sure I will have 100 questions after my first raid.

For the PvP side of things, I didn't realize you could buy pvp gear with badges. I have never had a toon at 80. I was under the assumption from some of my research that it's always better to have the least amount of classes in pvp. Having all one class, I figured, was the best route to go. So using, say for instance, 3 Shamans and 2 locks would work as well?

[TheBigBB]

Hmm, sounds interesting on both accounts. I guess I can't truly know how I want my group composition to be until I do a few raid instances.

I have 2 very nice comps so the plan was to have 2 seperate keyboards and mice and run 5 accounts on each machine. My goal right now is to hit 80 after that I will do some older raids to try and figure out what works best for my current setup. I'm sure I will have 100 questions after my first raid.

For the PvP side of things, I didn't realize you could buy pvp gear with badges. I have never had a toon at 80. I was under the assumption from some of my research that it's always better to have the least amount of classes in pvp. Having all one class, I figured, was the best route to go. So using, say for instance, 3 Shamans and 2 locks would work as well?

The PVP gear you get with badges isn't the top tier, but it's still decent. The advantage to all one class is that it's easier to micromanage, the reason you might use your two locks would be because you might spread yourself too thin if you try to level and gear up a 10 box raid team and 2 extras at the same time, but it's up to you. I'm sure you can make things work that way. I would think that you would want to have a hardware link between the two computers to send signals from keyboard 1 to both machines as well, although having the second mouse and keyboard to make each team do somethig different can be extremely useful, too, and is a great idea!

[Meshuggenah]

First time posting here and I wanted to get some feedback from some of the veterans out there...

The most obvious flaw in your setup.. you need two tanks to raid? Frost DK's strength is managing their cooldowns well. If you're seriously going to attempt to 10box real content, your best bet is a feral druid and a prot warrior for minimal micromanagement.

I've considered not saying anything, because I don't want to burst your bubble.. but the only stuff you'll be able to 10box is stuff that's so out of date it could probably be 5boxed anyway. With the exception of the free epic runs (VoA/Onyxia), raids are about movement and managing special abilities. There is no way that you can physically handle an entire raid by yourself. If it were even remotely possible, I'd be all over it. It's just not.

The people 10boxing at the moment are either PvPing, boxing old content or are still in the process of gearing and haven't hit the wall yet. That being said, if all you want to do is have some fun with 10 chars and see what you CAN do, I could see it being a blast.

[Smoooth]

Out of the 8 raid bosses I've killed 10 boxing the only thing I've used more than one tank on is the drake in OS where you have to use the portal.

I agree on how WoW raids are all don't stand in xxxx. It's fine boxing them until you add another mechanic to the fight that keeps you from stacking. It's pretty impossible keeping 10 people out of the constantly moving fire and still tanking/killing bosses and adds.

[TheBigBB]

The most obvious flaw in your setup.. you need two tanks to raid? Frost DK's strength is managing their cooldowns well. If you're seriously going to attempt to 10box real content, your best bet is a feral druid and a prot warrior for minimal micromanagement.

I've considered not saying anything, because I don't want to burst your bubble.. but the only stuff you'll be able to 10box is stuff that's so out of date it could probably be 5boxed anyway. With the exception of the free epic runs (VoA/Onyxia), raids are about movement and managing special abilities. There is no way that you can physically handle an entire raid by yourself. If it were even remotely possible, I'd be all over it. It's just not.

The people 10boxing at the moment are either PvPing, boxing old content or are still in the process of gearing and haven't hit the wall yet. That being said, if all you want to do is have some fun with 10 chars and see what you CAN do, I could see it being a blast.

Yeah, I think 10 boxers need to focus on content that is from older expansions or from the beginning of the current one. I definitely think a 10 boxer could do Naxx 10 at level with the current emblem gear, though. I'm probably going to try it someday, but I took 8 months off so I was behind on my gear. It's going to be fun to try to one man level 70 25-man raids at 85. I won't try it at 80.

[Fursphere]

Yeah, I think 10 boxers need to focus on content that is from older expansions or from the beginning of the current one. I definitely think a 10 boxer could do Naxx 10 at level with the current emblem gear, though. I'm probably going to try it someday, but I took 8 months off so I was behind on my gear. It's going to be fun to try to one man level 70 25-man raids at 85. I won't try it at 80.

Naxx10 has been done by a 10 boxer. There were videos of it MONTHS ago. It was in "proper gear' too i think. He didn't over gear it.

[RCmag13]

The most obvious flaw in your setup.. you need two tanks to raid? Frost DK's strength is managing their cooldowns well. If you're seriously going to attempt to 10box real content, your best bet is a feral druid and a prot warrior for minimal micromanagement.

I've considered not saying anything, because I don't want to burst your bubble.. but the only stuff you'll be able to 10box is stuff that's so out of date it could probably be 5boxed anyway. With the exception of the free epic runs (VoA/Onyxia), raids are about movement and managing special abilities. There is no way that you can physically handle an entire raid by yourself. If it were even remotely possible, I'd be all over it. It's just not.

The people 10boxing at the moment are either PvPing, boxing old content or are still in the process of gearing and haven't hit the wall yet. That being said, if all you want to do is have some fun with 10 chars and see what you CAN do, I could see it being a blast.

It's not a matter of bursting my bubble, it's a matter of being honest with me because I seriously don't know, otherwise I wouldn't have posted about it. running 10 man instances may be absolutely impossible. With that said, it's not going to stop me from trying, My entire goal from the beginning was to 5 box and run my own group through instances and hopefully heroics which I think is feasible and maybe play around with some old 10 man raids which might be kinda fun and successful to a certain extent. I started with one toon, went to 5 toons than toyed around with the idea of doing 10. I'll keep you guys posted on my progress or frustration, whichever it happens to be!

[Bot]

Naxx10 has been done by a 10 boxer.
naxx10 (http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=21257)

its not every fight but theres a lot of them.

[TheBigBB]

Naxx10 has been done by a 10 boxer. There were videos of it MONTHS ago. It was in "proper gear' too i think. He didn't over gear it.

Yeah that's what I'm saying. With the current emblem gear it's not a stretch to think that someone who's starting off could jump into Naxx10. However, you'd have to be very experienced to do it in heroic blues ilvl 200 epics only. I'm not sure where you see that he wasn't overgeared. It's pretty difficult not to overgear that place at least a little bit. It's a great accomplishment either way. The strategy is the most important thing.

[RCmag13]

according to his youtube account, this same guy also 10 boxxed Ulduar, this gives me hope!

[RCmag13]

As suggested I attempted Karazhan. After going through the entire raid, I realized that I am going to need to make another healer so I have 3 in fights. I did not have any problem OTing with my DK and MTing with my pally while DPSing. I definetly have to focus on every encounter but it is doable.

I am most likely going to change my group composition as it doesn't seem as tremor totem affects the entire raid, just particular groups. I did manage to get a few upgrades while running through the instance, I'll have to try it again at a later time.

[Fursphere]

Hey guys,

First time posting here and I wanted to get some feedback from some of the veterans out there...

1) Learn 2 play WoW solo

2) learn 2 5-box WoW

3) if you're willing to drop the cash on 10 boxing, you shouldn't be asking these kinds of questsions. (unless your name is Sam)