history of posts...

[Moorea]

Why is it it is ok for some of the history and value of this site to disappear - why did 6887 post disapears - even if requested by the author - what about the value of those threads (like the macros...) - what's happening here ?

[Lyonheart]

Why is it it is ok for some of the history and value of this site to disappear - why did 6887 post disapears - even if requested by the author - what about the value of those threads (like the macros...) - what's happening here ?

I was wondering the same thing. it bums me out that Fur had to leave.. I gained a lot from his posts! BUT a lot of other people poured time and effort in to the macro compilation thread. what a waste 8(

[Ughmahedhurtz]

What? Did I miss forum drama while traveling? Inquiring minds wanna know!

[getoutofmyway]

http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=26159

I asked the same question ....

[Svpernova09]

There is no drama, unless you count fulfulling a request as drama, in that case, have at it.

[Drizhal]

No offense intened.
The Drama insued before the request was made.

[Moorea]

Isn't there some disclaimer that you don't own "your" thread after they are posted ? what about everybody who responded, etc... If he wants to disappear he just needs to stop using that nickname and so be it - why the mass removal... this is collaborative work...

[alcattle]

Jafula has reposted the thread minus fur's post

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Wait, they nuked entire threads just because he posted in 'em?

[Svpernova09]

Wait, they nuked entire threads just because he posted in 'em?


No. This is not what happened.

[Drommon]

Wait, they nuked entire threads just because he posted in 'em?


Well, at the very least it appears they nuked the ones he created. Not sure about the ones he posted in.

It will be up to the community to recreate the work that was deleted. I for one would like to see the /click threads back again. Also there were many gems (great ideas) that were deleted as well as a result of this.

Drommon

[boxblizzard]

real shame he's gone, would welcome him back anytime.

end of the day its the thread owner to decide what happens to his content, but at the same time should of considerd everyone else /community who using his resources.

such is life im sure we can source and put it back to normal and everyone can be nice to each other! :D

[Niley]

Hrm, that's the 4th big time poster i seen emo out here. Shame, people get angry too quickly these days.

[Moorea]

end of the day its the thread owner to decide what happens to his content, but at the same time should of considerd everyone else /community who using his resources.


No actually I don't think the first poster "owns" anything

[Gramzngunz]

Did he leave again? I though i remember a stink a while back and he left, then came back. now he's gone again?

[boxblizzard]

No actually I don't think the first poster "owns" anything

Well he did on this occasion and thats why his stuff went down the sink hole on request ;)

[Greythan]

Did he leave again? I though i remember a stink a while back and he left, then came back. now he's gone again?
That's too funny.

[Nolife]

Ummm...? Fursphere left? Why? Damn, i always miss all the good drama :(

[Svpernova09]

Ummm...? Fursphere left? Why? Damn, i always miss all the good drama :(


The point was no drama. He could have gone through and wiped out his posts on his own, without telling anyone anything, but for the sake of making things easier on himself, he requested I do it on the admin side.

[Moorea]

You should have let him - maybe somewhere midway he'd realize it's not good... Plus he wouldn't have wiped out other people's replies - please undo this screwup

[Fat Tire]

The point was no drama. He could have gone through and wiped out his posts on his own, without telling anyone anything, but for the sake of making things easier on himself, he requested I do it on the admin side.

I lol'd

Its like NASA taking away the rocket but leaving behind the blue prints. Your anonymous on the nets, its like liquid courage for nerds.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

So lemme see if I have part of this right. Fur creates some /click (and a bunch of other) threads. Folks post in those threads with new ideas, then Fur edits the original post with the updated info as a consolidation post to make things easy to find. And now those consolidated posts that just happened to be under Fur's name but that others had contributed to, including the ENTIRE rest of the thread, are now gone?

Just in case I'm wrong, lemme go check google's cache...


Yep, macro compendium thingy gone. [Thanks Jafula for reposting from google cache or wherever.] 12 pages of updates by other people besides fur. Gone.
Elemental shaman DPS macro thread. 13 pages of updates and discussion by other people than Fur. Gone.

Is there a reason I shouldn't be rather annoyed by this? Am I missing something? Should I STFU and GTFO?

[Bettysue]

The good thing about a collaborative effort is the majority of the knowledge still exists in the community. Sure some time is lost putting the information back into an easy to find location, but it can be done.

This is also a reason the wiki on this site should be utilized more, then the efforts of many are actually a part of the site and not a part of one individuals history.

Ya 100's of pages of history may be gone, but knowing what we know now it won't take that many reiterations to get things right. If there was something you really liked and miss ask the questions and help the effort to get the information back out there. There is no reason to give up because it became a touch more difficult.

[Jafula]

The point was no drama.

What part of deleting other peoples posts (which don't violate any rules) constitute no drama?

[Moorea]

It's about time moderation bs here comes to a change - again, plz undo this

[Firmpete]

So lemme see if I have part of this right. Fur creates some /click (and a bunch of other) threads. Folks post in those threads with new ideas, then Fur edits the original post with the updated info as a consolidation post to make things easy to find. And now those consolidated posts that just happened to be under Fur's name but that others had contributed to, including the ENTIRE rest of the thread, are now gone?

Just in case I'm wrong, lemme go check google's cache...


Yep, macro compendium thingy gone. [Thanks Jafula for reposting from google cache or wherever.] 12 pages of updates by other people besides fur. Gone.
Elemental shaman DPS macro thread. 13 pages of updates and discussion by other people than Fur. Gone.
Is there a reason I shouldn't be rather annoyed by this? Am I missing something? Should I STFU and GTFO?

This.

And yeah, he could have deleted his own posts. Not other peoples stuff.

[Brocher]

So lemme see if I have part of this right. Fur creates some /click (and a bunch of other) threads. Folks post in those threads with new ideas, then Fur edits the original post with the updated info as a consolidation post to make things easy to find. And now those consolidated posts that just happened to be under Fur's name but that others had contributed to, including the ENTIRE rest of the thread, are now gone?

Just in case I'm wrong, lemme go check google's cache...


Yep, macro compendium thingy gone. [Thanks Jafula for reposting from google cache or wherever.] 12 pages of updates by other people besides fur. Gone.
Elemental shaman DPS macro thread. 13 pages of updates and discussion by other people than Fur. Gone.

Is there a reason I shouldn't be rather annoyed by this? Am I missing something? Should I STFU and GTFO?

If you do GTFO could you please not ask for your posts to be deleted? Many of the deleted threadsI have trawled (and hoped to mine more) in the hope of outgrowing my noobness.

I'm new here but I really can't see why you would delete whole threads rather than just make individual posts disappear. Nerd raaaaaaaage, good for a laugh but sad to see the stereotype reinforced (yet) again.

[Fat Tire]

So lemme see if I have part of this right. Fur creates some /click (and a bunch of other) threads. Folks post in those threads with new ideas, then Fur edits the original post with the updated info as a consolidation post to make things easy to find. And now those consolidated posts that just happened to be under Fur's name but that others had contributed to, including the ENTIRE rest of the thread, are now gone?

Just in case I'm wrong, lemme go check google's cache...


Yep, macro compendium thingy gone. [Thanks Jafula for reposting from google cache or wherever.] 12 pages of updates by other people besides fur. Gone.
Elemental shaman DPS macro thread. 13 pages of updates and discussion by other people than Fur. Gone.

Is there a reason I shouldn't be rather annoyed by this? Am I missing something? Should I STFU and GTFO?

Your absolutely right and should be annoyed. I think we are missing something here.

[Khatovar]

but for the sake of making things easier on himself.

And why, exactly, do the rest of the people in the community have to suffer for what makes things easy on the drama-scale? I submitted posts to any number of threads, I've posted macros, I've participated in discussions. Does that mean I should go back through everything and back it up in case the OP decides to conniption out and blow up all my opinions, theories and submissions?

The drama's here, why is it necessary to make it a dozen times worse by basically allowing someone else to go in and delete the work of everyone else on the site just because he started said post. That's absurd. I didn't violate the rules, so why does he have the right to delete my posts? That's just childish and petty.

[Oswyn]

I was annoyed as well. I would've been fine with deleting his posts. At least we'd still have posts of others that contributed.

Going forward, we really should capture such useful information in the wiki so it's there for good and not rely on stickies.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well frankily I think he has a right to his own intellectual property (i.e. words that he made). I had an argument with Steel Warrior when they took away my signature and told them; fine if others get a full sig and I don't get a link to my forum in my sig then delete all my posts (not complete threads). They gave me my sig back ( with posting restrictions).

I think fur has every right to delete his own posts, or ask that they be deleted (on the other hand why should the mods have to do his work for him?).

Nonetheless no one has the right to delete any other persons posts. So removing whole threads should never be done.


I don't think that simply because you post on a public forum your work/ideas/comments are no longer your own property. He should have made his own forum / site and linked to there from his many posts here, kinda hurt himself more then anyone else removing all his posts here.


I doubt anyone else is going to do the same; they will leave and not care if their posts are up or not so at this time backing up the forum for whatever reasons dosnt seem needed.

[Coltimar]

If you submit information to a public forum it becomes public property. Information you post on your own forum, that you own and control could technically fall under the auspices of intellectual property. But good luck trying to make that hold up in any sort of legal arena.

[offive]

Ah well, we just need to fill in the /click section of the wiki with the basics for each class. People should be tweaking their own macros anyway. Fur seemed to flame a lot, so less flaming in these forums would be fine by me. I agree with content posted on a public forum becoming either the IP of the forum owner or be considered public.

If my memory serves me, Fur was not the originator of /click macros, he just compiled some (some good, some not so good)... heck I didn't even notice his thread until this last week, but I have been working with /click for a while just fine on my own. Most people started to switch to /click after castrandom got whacked. If Fur wants to go emo and have the mods blow out his stuff meh... so be it. The game will change, his info will be out of date, and we will move on with new contributions. Things are always changing.... heck Bliz could block nested commas and then we would all have to go figure out the next method.

Guess the old rule applies, if you can't say something nice then don't say anything. So contribute to the threads, do your own research, ask for help when you’re stuck, and play nice with the other kids... yeah it can be that simple?!?

[Malekyth]

I'm still struggling to find a reasonable argument in favor of wiping a user's entire history. Exactly three ideas come to mind:

1) Fur is concerned that the very existence of dual-boxing.com has been enabling his drinking. The constant pointless depressing niggling over reworking his UI to cut down on overhealing, or ensuring that Conflagration goes off as often as possible, has negatively impacted his recovery. On too many occasions has Fur woken up in an alleyway, always naked and often tattooed, croaking about /castsequences and how he hates getting vomit in his eyelashes. By written request of Fur and his sponsor, his contribution to the site has been wiped as a compassionate compromise.

2) The Latvian government is still on Fur's tracks after he blew town with a valise full of nuclear secrets and the Prime Minister's daughter. He gave the pursuing agents the slip all through Europe, only narrowly avoiding that explosion in France and an attack by bioengineered flying scorpions a few miles out from Gibraltar, eventually landing safely in the United States. His plan to relay detonator schematics back to his fiendish Quebecois employers by encoding them into d-b.com posts was a total success. Now the time has come to clean house and cover his tracks. Sufficient cooperation was secured when Fur revealed he had acquired photographic evidence of what Svpernova09 did in that petting zoo.

3) Drama!

[Fat Tire]

I'm still struggling to find a reasonable argument in favor of wiping a user's entire history. Exactly three ideas come to mind:

1) Fur is concerned that the very existence of dual-boxing.com has been enabling his drinking. The constant pointless depressing niggling over reworking his UI to cut down on overhealing, or ensuring that Conflagration goes off as often as possible, has negatively impacted his recovery. On too many occasions has Fur woken up in an alleyway, always naked and often tattooed, croaking about /castsequences and how he hates getting vomit in his eyelashes. By written request of Fur and his sponsor, his contribution to the site has been wiped as a compassionate compromise.

2) The Latvian government is still on Fur's tracks after he blew town with a valise full of nuclear secrets and the Prime Minister's daughter. He gave the pursuing agents the slip all through Europe, only narrowly avoiding that explosion in France and an attack by bioengineered flying scorpions a few miles out from Gibraltar, eventually landing safely in the United States. His plan to relay detonator schematics back to his fiendish Quebecois employers by encoding them into d-b.com posts was a total success. Now the time has come to clean house and cover his tracks. Sufficient cooperation was secured when Fur revealed he had acquired photographic evidence of what Svpernova09 did in that petting zoo.

3) Drama!


haha! Expect this post to be deleted by the poster resulting in deletion of the entire thread. Asinine moderation is in full effect.

[Tasty]

Man I feel bad for Supernova, stuck between a rock and a bunch of hard cases :p

[Svpernova09]

Wow, so this thread exploded. So here goes....


So lemme see if I have part of this right. Fur creates some /click (and a bunch of other) threads. Folks post in those threads with new ideas, then Fur edits the original post with the updated info as a consolidation post to make things easy to find. And now those consolidated posts that just happened to be under Fur's name but that others had contributed to, including the ENTIRE rest of the thread, are now gone?

Just in case I'm wrong, lemme go check google's cache...


Yep, macro compendium thingy gone. [Thanks Jafula for reposting from google cache or wherever.] 12 pages of updates by other people besides fur. Gone.
Elemental shaman DPS macro thread. 13 pages of updates and discussion by other people than Fur. Gone.

Is there a reason I shouldn't be rather annoyed by this? Am I missing something? Should I STFU and GTFO?

I'm not saying you or anyone should or shouldn't be annoyed by this. I fully support anyone who wants to recover what they can from google cache. Other peoples posts getting deleted was my fault. Not anyone elses.


What part of deleting other peoples posts (which don't violate any rules) constitute no drama?

The deleting other people's posts was not intended, it was purely my fault.


It's about time moderation bs here comes to a change - again, plz undo this

Please stop crying about anything you possibly can. Whenever *anything* happens, you're the first to QQ. Please stop and please stop demanding things you have NO idea on whether they can be done or not. The function used was Prune threads. My understanding of this, was that The Prune Threads by user name function would prune threads in the forums I specified. So what I assumed I was doing was pruning all threads of Fursphere's posts. Not deleting threads that he started as well, this was completely unintentional. This was done on the backend, it's irreversible, the actual data was removed from the database. It was not until after this had happened, and I ran the update counters function that I realized that not only were Fur's posts gone, but anything he started was gone as well.


Your absolutely right and should be annoyed. I think we are missing something here.

Read the paragraph above.


And why, exactly, do the rest of the people in the community have to suffer for what makes things easy on the drama-scale? I submitted posts to any number of threads, I've posted macros, I've participated in discussions. Does that mean I should go back through everything and back it up in case the OP decides to conniption out and blow up all my opinions, theories and submissions?

The drama's here, why is it necessary to make it a dozen times worse by basically allowing someone else to go in and delete the work of everyone else on the site just because he started said post. That's absurd. I didn't violate the rules, so why does he have the right to delete my posts? That's just childish and petty.

He didn't delete your posts. I did inadvertently when I was trying to remove just his posts. I lost a number of posts as well.


I was annoyed as well. I would've been fine with deleting his posts. At least we'd still have posts of others that contributed.

Going forward, we really should capture such useful information in the wiki so it's there for good and not rely on stickies.

Exactly. The wiki is a very under-utilized feature we have here.



I really hope this clears up and sheds some light onto what happened. So, blame me I guess. I'm very sorry it turned out like this, so flame away if you feel the need.

[heffner]

Thanks for the clarification Svpernova. An unfortunate series of events.

Fur was probably just punishing the few for making the statement that his contributions to this board were not useful. So he removed them. Not really the approach I would have taken, but obviously effective. I always thought he had a lot to contribute, and when he didn't, I found it easy enough to ignore. I wish he would have thought about it a bit more and not assume that a few people represent everyone on the board.

Anyway, the information will eventually come back on its own. There will be more people boxing with Cataclysm etc. Looking through the archives when I first joined made me realize a lot of the topics are cyclical, which is expected given the turnaround time of people multiboxing.

[Fursphere]

Supernova once said "If Fur made a post about the sky being blue, there would be a 4 page QQ that followed it"

I didn't even post a damn thing this time, and we've got a 4 page QQ about it.

Look, I didn't intend for anyone's posts to get removed other than my own. See law of unforeseen consequences if you're confused (and if that's too complicated for you, /gquit life). Supernova was just doing me a favor, so don't blame him.

Yesterday someone made the comment that "90% of Fursphere's posts are garbage" or something like that (and many folks have made similar comments in the past). So I said fine - lets see how you like it when they are gone. And look? You people are crying like little school children. The comments about "public domain" and "copyright" are fucking hilarious. Imagine if you tried to sell a macro - Blizzard would be so deep in your ass before you could even say "surprise buttsecks!"

There was a comment about "Fur didn't come up with the /click macro, he just made a compiled thread about it". No shit moron - did you even read the fucking thread? That's the first thing I said. Now shut up and go sit in the corner.

There is a famous quote - "Lead, Follow, or Get out of the way". A good many of you should really think about where you fit into that paradigm - because its not where you think it is.

Then there was some comments about "The Shaman threads are gone!" - So what? Go make them again. Most of that shit was 1 - 2 years old and didn't apply anymore anyway. (and why was I the only one to start the major shaman threads? hmmm?)

And lastly, to everyone digging through google cache, desperatly trying to find what was removed.... lol.

What you should be asking yourself is - there are a shit load of people using these macros right? Why are they not re-posting them for the community? Why do only a small handful of people contribute to this forum in the organization department (you can probably count them on your two hands....a good many of them long gone at this point) when the forum itself has over 30,000 members. THIRTY THOUSAND. Only people QQ'ing about it, and ONE soul that was smart enough to google cache it and post up a copy... who also happens to be the author of the best multi-boxing addon around. Yes, another member who puts a shit ton of time into this forum and doesn't ask for anything in return ('cept bug reports - yes. he asks for more work) was the ONLY member who stepped up and did something about it instead of crying like a baby.

I'm sure this post will get claims of "drama queen" and "QQ moar"... etc. "Fur is emo" "good riddance" etc. Whatever. Somebody else carry the torch for awhile.

Get the fuck off the moderators backs too. If you think you can do a better job, STEP UP AND DO IT. (you know who you are). They don't get paid for doing what they do.

I effectively moderated this forum for about a year - WITHOUT being a mod - no moderator tools at all. Just step in and point people in the right direction when needed, and tell others to stop being retarded when needed. You don't need a gag order to fix problems. You just need to grow a pair and tell people when they're wrong.


Anyway - sorry Supernova. Didn't mean to cause you a shit ton of EXTRA work. My no drama approach failed miserably.

/thread

[Jafula]

Thanks for the clarification as well. I do appreciate having this website available and I'm sure that being an admin can be a thankless job at times. Thanks for all the hard work you put into it. :-)

[shaeman]

If you find useful information on this site or any other i would recommend taking a local copy of it.

There are no guarantees of any piece of information still being available. A wiki is fine, but what happens if this forum was corrupted - if the domain expired and was grabbed by another person, changed to point to a porn site.. Any number of problems can result in valuable information being lost ( and the scenarios i've listed above can and do happen).

Personally I think Fursphere is another great loss to the community - He may seem abrupt to some, but he was willing to help and you could guarantee you got an honest opinion.

[Gorkette]

I have created a wiki page with my backup copy of Fur's click macro post.

The formatting needs a lot of work but its a starting point for us.

http://www.dual-boxing.com/wiki/index.php/Macro:Using_Click

[Svpernova09]

Seems comments are getting a bit out of hand, closing this thread down. If you have any specific questions for me, please PM me, and please do not start another thread.