Dear pvp junkies!

[Eloxy]

Out of curiosity, what are you up to these days?
Are you working on a new team, playing main team? Post here so all can know what people are up to =)

I myself having fun in bgs and maxing my honor, and getting some more clips for mah next movie ;) (though it could be cool to try a mele setup out, but non raf leveling = poo)

[Ogloo]

my shammies! rockin and rolling with them still in arenas i wanna do a 5 druid team for pve but again no RAf, i wonder howmuch longer it takes without.. because i mean after 60 the Raf is gone anyways

[Multibocks]

its about triple the time to level 1-60 without RAF. It takes me about 13ish hours, I think been a long time, to level from 1-60 with RAF. So plan on close to 30 hours to hit 60. Sucks and I would rather /wrist than do 1-60 without it.

[asonimie]

My 2 cents on leveling: I've been leveling toons since closed beta 5 years ago. I leveled my shaman team and said "thats it I hate this shit." Why? cause I was in a rush all the time. Couple months ago I leveled my warlocks, and I did it slow and relaxed, and I actually had a lot of fun. I was very surprised by this and since I have decided to level a melee team as well.

It's really not that bad. My suggestion is - don't count the hours. Boost SM or w/e for a couple hours, and have a movie on the next screen. 1-60 ain't that long anyway. Doable without RAF casually in a week easy.

Good luck!

[Jubber]

Don't forget to get the heirloom shoulders and chest pieces... Makes it better.

[Svpernova09]

Not exactly a PvP junkie, but an amusing PvP encounter: I rolled a DK to test out Kil'Jaeden PvP server (it's PST located, I'm CST so I wanted to test latency) and I'm running around hellfire doing the initial quests out in front of Honor Hold killing orcs, and an 80 DK drops down and starts in on me. So I throw chains of ice on the DK and run my gnome ass away. I spam Chains of Ice and every so often turn and death coil to catch what I can for heals. He couldn't kill me, or even catch up to me. at one point he finally realized he too had chains of ice, it was both of us spamming chains on each other. The amusing part comes in when I kited him all the way into Honor Hold and he got destroyed by the guards.

So the 80 that couldn't kill a 58/59 and let himself get kited up to guards and killed so he had to take durability hit.

and I thought *I* was terribad at pvp.

[Iceorbz]

Leveling 4 Paladins and a DK here soon lol. Paladins are now level 52, tired of running stratholme so I was paying people 160g a run to do it for me.

[asonimie]

Not exactly a PvP junkie, but an amusing PvP encounter: I rolled a DK to test out Kil'Jaeden PvP server (it's PST located, I'm CST so I wanted to test latency) and I'm running around hellfire doing the initial quests out in front of Honor Hold killing orcs, and an 80 DK drops down and starts in on me. So I throw chains of ice on the DK and run my gnome ass away. I spam Chains of Ice and every so often turn and death coil to catch what I can for heals. He couldn't kill me, or even catch up to me. at one point he finally realized he too had chains of ice, it was both of us spamming chains on each other. The amusing part comes in when I kited him all the way into Honor Hold and he got destroyed by the guards.

So the 80 that couldn't kill a 58/59 and let himself get kited up to guards and killed so he had to take durability hit.

and I thought *I* was terribad at pvp.


Just beautiful.... /tear

[mrmcgee21]

My teams floating from 1950-2100 as it has since s4. I've leveled druids up and tried them very little in pvp, I just couldnt see them measuring up to what shamans can do in anyway which just irritated me. But maybe if you give it a really honest attempt you could find ways to make them work, I see potential in them but one fundemental issue I had in all phases of pvp was having to lose basically a gcd everytime i wanted to heal ( cast a heal lose boomkin form, reboomkin .. nuke .. get hit hard again .. repeat ) also the massive amounts of damage you take while out of form stinks.

I really feel like shamans could go higher than where I have been in LK given a very "fertile" BG, ie put a very experienced arena-shaman boxer into a bg that hasn't ever had one ... you could probably spike quiet high(maybe not quiet to a glad cutoff though .. not sure). Much like Kromtor has with his paladins, should someone be willing to invest the cash. I would say don't bother trying this until your breaking 2k on any BG, as your only going to get a short window of games before teams figure out how to counter the comp(probably want to take your healer with if possible). Some teams will never be able to counter us due to lack of skill or coordination, but I believe any glad level team should be able to figure it out in a matter of 10-20 matches TOPS and start winning games consistantly.

4 shamans have always been beatable by good teams, it was MUCH harder to beat a good boxer pre LK but still very very achievable. Now though it takes much less skill, due to many people having aoe cc, to work up a good CC rotation to give your team time to land kills within the safety of several strong AoE cc's .. followed by many strong defensive cc's. You had all of this in BC but, it was much less prevalent, only 2 or 3 class's had ways to live through a good volley then AND there was much less AoE CC around ( shadowfury was NEVER seen in arenas due to destro being god awful in pvp).

Also something else that can hurt us in PvP is how lavaburst works, its absolutely terrible with 4 shamans. 4 flameshocks announce our intended target as soon as they are activated on another player, even if we do it from a focus key, also a good priest/paladin team( almost everyteam has one or maybe both in some cases ) will dispell them long before your LvB hits. Another issue is the travel time in LvB, should a team be so careless as to not dispell quickly enough, the massive ball of molten lava skipping across the screen is another early warning sign to the healer, and the intended player-target that its time to use a defensive CC ( if they failed to either dispell the 4 flameshocks or LoS you at this point ). Frankly I have started degenerating to just Lightningbolt - CL spam more often now because it makes my target switching much less transparent. My healer is really who pointed this out, one match I got a quick kill on the other teams ret paladin when we charged them in nagrand ( mounted ) and he said over vent ( god it feel like it takes forever for those lvb to actually hit him ), noting how his health kind of dropped to 60% or so, then sat there for another 1-2 sec as my EM-LvB combo traveled across the arena and finally landed the killing blow. This was against a 2100ish team.. even with a near perfect execution of my combo that ret could have very very easily prevented his death, even if he didnt know where I was .. he can see the 4 flameshocks .. he can see the 4 lvb moving toward him .. as can his entire team. This is where good players win out, 1-2 sec is enough time for most skilled healers to react. But this is exactly what every instant LvB kill looks like, flameshock hits andevery member of their team see's it on party frames, so they all know whats about to happen(insert any aoe cc here), .5 sec passes LvB launches, .5-2 sec pass ... LvB lands, thats pretty darn slow.

Lets compare that to our oldschool combo of BC Channel LB ( could be going to any member of their team thanks to focus nuking so theres no prehealing this bad boy ) LB launches - EM/CL HITS - .5-2sec pass LB HITS - ES ( or FS ) HITS. Thats why pre LvB shamans did more burst dmg, hard to believe maybe at first but in BC y ou had all this dmg hitting any given target on their team seperated by .5-2sec max. Infact I might try abandoning LvB altogether in a few games this week but the sad truth is they nerfed LB and CL dmg coefficients hard in 3.0(to counter for LvB coming in) so its probably not going to work well anymore.

So, that ended up being very lenghty but, I think its a pretty accurate description of the 4 shaman team in 5s right now at least. Also a little cross Xpac comparison for those of us who where around for S3 and S4.

[Eloxy]

Yeha gotta agree on that tbh, kinda silly that we have to "announce" ur kill before doing so.

then again i tend to flame shock all around, and keep pressure so they dont have time to cleanse. then go in for a KABLAM ;) Altso ima try to use more hex in the future, sudanly im meeting mele cleaves again for some reason ^^ (gief btw)

[Gramzngunz]

I'm enjoying lots of world pvp and some battle grounds. getting completely stomped in arenas. Could be cuzz my druid healer is in all blues... Eh, i still blame myself cuzz I can't seem to burst anyone to death off the bat like I should be. it's always "blast them down to 10% health, then they are healed to full, and now my team is aoe feared/stunned multiple times in a row and I'm dead" Ah well. I guess I'll keep trying... for some reason. Everyone elses rating is so high, and i just want 1350 for furious shoulders haha.

...think I might go play Darkfall for bit... too bad you can't box that ><

[Mokoi]

I am a big PvP fan, but my shamans are losing a bad battle in the arenas on Bloodlust. We did some games today, and it was about the same as 5 months ago, 2400 rated and 1100 rated teams, with not much in the middle. We either rolled teams horribly and without a problem, or we got steamed without even a chance.

I don't understand how you guys are getting high ratings on your shamans, I can't kill a target with a priest on their team, or even a good druid with his cooldowns up..

I think we need a good guidfe on wtf to do in the arenas these days :P

[Gares]

All I know is play play play. Try on different nights different times etc. I still have yet to play with a healer this season (Running Quad Shaman) with a seperate Warlock and we are at 1151 with no real problem. Higher yes it probably is.

[valkry]

Have you tried 4x flameshocking 1 target then chain lightning+instant lvb on a different target. With EM popped you are running about 50% chance to crit anyway, a lot of the time 2-3 of them will crit and it will be enough to kill the target after 4 chain lightnings as well, and the healer focused on the flame shock target.

[heyaz]

do that with a focus target. LB+CL some random guy, you might even kill him, instant nuke your h idden target. works like a charm. The only thing that survives it is full relentless and thats if nothing crits, they'll still be at like 5% hp

[Acidburning]

while its not arena, I am def having fun with my unconventional route. I have moved my toons from 1 account to 4, I am working on leveling my last toon, 72 druid.

My team will be ret paladin, frost dk, disc priest, resto druid. Right now, I am having a blast in Wintergrasp. Typically, we always have tenacity. I am able to take shops a lot quicker.

Once my little team is more solid with the druid in some descent pvp gear, I plan on frapsing some stuff. :D

I got burnt out in areans back in S2-S3 (solo). Now its just for fun, some points with friends, etc.

[Ogloo]

Well 2 weeks ago I get to around 1780 in 5s and all excited arena partner has gtg, I'm all WTF
I Invite someone else we lose 1-2 and we stop he logs on all pissed the next day so I say here... I'll give u lead we get back to 1760 he's gtg.... Havnt seen him for 2 weeks..
/quit arena team today and found some new guy, we only got to play a little bit but got to 1650 so maybe this is going where it should as I was 1780 with 1000 games played and now we at 50 games played with 1650, and going stron

I'll be joinin the 1800 club soon don't worry

[Eloxy]

Well 2 weeks ago I get to around 1780 in 5s and all excited arena partner has gtg, I'm all WTF
I Invite someone else we lose 1-2 and we stop he logs on all pissed the next day so I say here... I'll give u lead we get back to 1760 he's gtg.... Havnt seen him for 2 weeks..
/quit arena team today and found some new guy, we only got to play a little bit but got to 1650 so maybe this is going where it should as I was 1780 with 1000 games played and now we at 50 games played with 1650, and going stron

I'll be joinin the 1800 club soon don't worry

wow thats beeing unlucky with the healer =/
Just keep playing, before you know it you will have some good hi rated teams that you will farm and boom you get your weapons/shields. And from there its only one way...UP! =)

[heyaz]

It's really tough to get and keep a healer until the team proves viable past 1800. It took me 4 weeks to find one since my team never got past 1740 last season and no one wanted to give it a shot as my gear was so bad. I had a new guy and wasn't sure if he was serious - when we hit 1800 in one day he was there to stay. Now that we are 2000 he says he hasn't had this much fun in arenas since... ever .And he has played on teams much higher rated than mine. At this point I have people willing to transfer servers to heal the team - not because I'm amazing or that I can offer them 2200 or gladiator - they just want to see what its all about. When you are winning and not being cheesed to death by aoe, it's really a riot to see the team come together. Half of our communication on skype is uncontrollable laughter at this point.. haha

[Ogloo]

It's really tough to get and keep a healer until the team proves viable past 1800. It took me 4 weeks to find one since my team never got past 1740 last season and no one wanted to give it a shot as my gear was so bad. I had a new guy and wasn't sure if he was serious - when we hit 1800 in one day he was there to stay. Now that we are 2000 he says he hasn't had this much fun in arenas since... ever .And he has played on teams much higher rated than mine. At this point I have people willing to transfer servers to heal the team - not because I'm amazing or that I can offer them 2200 or gladiator - they just want to see what its all about. When you are winning and not being cheesed to death by aoe, it's really a riot to see the team come together. Half of our communication on skype is uncontrollable laughter at this point.. haha

i see myself getting high rated soon, alot in RL going on, cant play this week~!!!! --- i want to get 1800, so damn close