3.3 Badge gear, 5-man and Raid loot...

[Stealthy]

Is now up on MMO (www.mmo-champion.com (http://www.mmo-champion.com)). The lists will continue to be expanded as more gear is discovered on the PTR.

Cheers,
S.

[Lyonheart]

Not tanking weapon from the epic quest chain!

/sky is falling!


thats what i noticed 8\ maybe the list is not complete? There is http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/50268/rimefangs-claw/ from heroic 5 man though. And I'm happy they added two new shields to normal mode.. item lvl 219

[Niley]

I guess that i should try to box last wing soonish, maybe on monday :)

[Stealthy]

Don't panic!! The lists are still being populated. :)

The first time I saw the list of gear for the heroic 5-man, there was no caster weapon for Shamans. However, about 30 mins later when I refreshed the list, i saw that the Surgeon's Needle (http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/50227/surgeons-needle/) has been added in.

Speaking of Shamans, the options for Ele shamans in 3.3 are so much better than 3.2:

Emblems Triumph to buy the T9 gear, finger.
Emblems of Frost for feet, waist, hands & totem
New 5-man for weapon, shield, off-hand, neck, back, finger.
BoE Crafted: Wrist
BoE AH: Back, Ring

Cheers,
S.

[Niley]

just wanna say, i did first wing just now, there is also random drops from trash...andddd everything hits harder has more hp, its actually challenging now.
Ill do rest tomorrow, its too late now.


edit, heres the vid
http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?p=241876#post241876

[Smoooth]

I really hope they put in the option to downgrade from triumph to conquest and also from frost to triumph. I don't understand why we don't have the option to get conquest badges now from triumphs.

[daviddoran]

there's a vendor in the sewers labeled "money changer" you can trade down all current levels of badges there. Not sure why they dont have this on all the badge vendors, but meh. And what a damn inconvenience to have to downgrade badges to buy something. Why cant they just make em all the same? It's not like the older badge gear will give anyone an advantage...

[olipcs]

well, the reason why they can't simply make them all the same is, that then one of two things would happen:

a) they destroy my old badges (like some leftover hero-badges), which is not fair, because i could use the for bying old stuff

b) upgrade the old badges to the new "drops from heroic dungeons"-badges, which would be nice for me, but also unfair...

[mebben]

Aaah I can't wait until I can start farming Triumph emblems :) Im almost done with Conquest emblems anyway.

[Multibocks]

Have a few characters that are finished with Triumph, so Frost is what I'm excited about (that and the new quested Quel'delar)

[Stealthy]

Have a few characters that are finished with Triumph, so Frost is what I'm excited about (that and the new quested Quel'delar)

Actually one are where ele shamans kinda got screwed was on the weapons. There is no spell DPS version of Quel'delar that Shamans or Boomkins can use. Same for the heroic 5-man weapons. :mad:

Cheers,
S.

[Stealthy]

Uhh.. there is a one handed mace reward for the quest? Same ilvl.

MP5 = resto sham stat. It's a wasted stat for elemental shams.


Compare to Quel'Delar, Lens of the Mind (http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/50047/quel-delar-lens-of-the-mind/), which has haste in place of the MP5. Much better itemization for ele shams, but we can't use swords. :(

This was a big problem with 3.2 badge/crafted gear - all the mail caster gear was itemized for resto shams and not ele shams, which means we have to go scrounging for leather and cloth gear. The only decent pieces we could get were from using badges to buy the armor tokens. Case in point - the BIS wrist piece for shams at the moment is actually a BoE cloth piece - Bejeweled Wizard's Bracers.

Cheers,
S.

[daviddoran]

I think Blizzard has really overlooked elemental shaman gear itemization. It's hard to find +hit on most mail spellpower gear, but abundant on cloth. Also, the only shield i ever see on any shaman thats not geared out is the original heroic badge one, which is more resto itemized (and i guess holy pallies like that type of itemization). There's a decent naxx 10 one with a low drop rate, but everything else is a high end raid drop.

I think the solution is for shamans to use swords. I mean how hard can it be to teach someone who can use maces and daggers to use swords? Hell some of the "daggers" i've used while gearing up used the exact same model as a "sword" my tank was using....

[daviddoran]

"I am a member of PETA - People for the Eating of Tasty Animals!"
S.

Best quote ever

[Stealthy]

I think the solution is for shamans to use swords. I mean how hard can it be to teach someone who can use maces and daggers to use swords? Hell some of the "daggers" i've used while gearing up used the exact same model as a "sword" my tank was using....

I'd like to see that as well, but Blizz said in the Shaman Q&A a while ago that it's unlikely to happen (link here (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17730193271&sid=1)). I don't expect any major changes as far as itemization goes until Cataclysm, when everything gets a complete overhaul.

Cheers,
S

[Niley]

HoR is so hard. :/
Ive done it once and i cant be able to repeat it.

[Fuzzyboy]

HoR is so hard. :/
Ive done it once and i cant be able to repeat it.

I kind of like the idea of not being able to just roll through, but I do worry a bit since your chars seems to be pretty decked out. I remember you tank having like 50k hp in the video. What's you take? What makes it tricky? Is it hard to multibox (ie lots of coordinated movement etc.) or is it just hard in general?

[Niley]

I kind of like the idea of not being able to just roll through, but I do worry a bit since your chars seems to be pretty decked out. I remember you tank having like 50k hp in the video. What's you take? What makes it tricky? Is it hard to multibox (ie lots of coordinated movement etc.) or is it just hard in general?
PoS was hard, mobs were hitting my tank for crazy amounts, but HoR is well....pretty crazy.
Event starts with mobs coming out, there is mages doing aoe, hunters doing poison stuff, rogues shadow stepping and stunning tank(while you have 5 other mobs on you) i counted about 40 mobs in total that come in waves, and you dont really have time ot drink in between, they each have around 120k hp.
there is few spots that you can los, but those spots dont have much area to strafe away when you get 2 or 3 times flame strikes on your slaves.
My basic problem is going oom, and rogue 1-2 shooting my slave.....
Ive done it all once, but now it got harder, just like 2 othe rinstances, this isnt cake walk anymore.
I posted video of my todays PoS clear here: http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=26136
You can see damage on tank and slaves, its pretty nuts compared to what it was few weeks ago.

[Fuzzyboy]

PoS was hard, mobs were hitting my tank for crazy amounts, but HoR is well....pretty crazy.
Event starts with mobs coming out, there is mages doing aoe, hunters doing poison stuff, rogues shadow stepping and stunning tank(while you have 5 other mobs on you) i counted about 40 mobs in total that come in waves, and you dont really have time ot drink in between, they each have around 120k hp.
there is few spots that you can los, but those spots dont have much area to strafe away when you get 2 or 3 times flame strikes on your slaves.
My basic problem is going oom, and rogue 1-2 shooting my slave.....
Ive done it all once, but now it got harder, just like 2 othe rinstances, this isnt cake walk anymore.
I posted video of my todays PoS clear here: http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=26136
You can see damage on tank and slaves, its pretty nuts compared to what it was few weeks ago.

Ahh, then I wouldn't worry too much. They usually balance 5 man dungeons to be doable by most players, so it's likely to be tuned down. Hell, the patchnotes are full of nerfs for mobs in Oculus because they are deemed to hard. It's likely to be balanced, but the challenge will be nice since it's probably tricky even when balanced :)

[daviddoran]

yeah, and when my tank doesnt get healed, he doesnt get mana back, so he cant keep casting.... And I dont like doing ToC because of all the dumbass vehicle gimmicks.... This new one looks awesome.

[Volch0k]

We just have to be creative. E.g, i'm sure as hell gonna have full resto-set once triumph comes from heroics, just for the insane mana-regen.

mana regen > dps in some cases while multiboxing, like this. Not everything is a dps run as a multiboxer.

[Niley]

I did it few minutes ago, just before servers went down, imagine this as the new brann event from HoS. Too bad that they went down before i could kill the boss....

[Prega]

sorry for quest, but anyone have copied a full multibox team on ptr? it s legit/doable? thx

[Multibocks]

yes that is what niley is doing right now...

[Fuzzyboy]

I'd like to see that as well, but Blizz said in the Shaman Q&A a while ago that it's unlikely to happen (link here (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17730193271&sid=1)). I don't expect any major changes as far as itemization goes until Cataclysm, when everything gets a complete overhaul.

Cheers,
S

As far as 3.3. goes, it looks like they'll change the stats on the mace though:

"Of note: Internally we have made a change that removes the mp5 from the main hand mace and changed that to haste to match the sword to make it more dps-worthy."

http://www.mmo-champion.com/news-2/icecrown-citadel-loot-update-blue-posts/