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Svpernova09
11-03-2009, 12:58 PM
Guildie posted this on our guild forums this morning, had to share.


I find it terribly hard to remember all the nuances of each boss fight. Sorry, but I'm just not hard-core enough to memorize who casts what, and I really don't care if Pixie McNixie in the bottom of some hole is planning to fear me, sheep me, or chop me in half with a big heavy axe. Why? Because overall things are pretty much the same from one boss to the next, so I figured I could come up with a single set of rules on how to raid ANYTHING. I've appropriately named these rules "A Single Set Of Rules On How To Raid ANYTHING."

Getting Ready
Many people go to YouTube and watch Tankspot videos to familiarize themselves with the fights. This is a waste of time, because all you really need are my simple rules. Not 100% sure? Here are some additional reasons for skipping the videos:
1. Those people in the videos are ELITE WIZARDS and your raid team is not going to do anywhere near as well as them. It's like watching an Olympic gold medalist do the ski jump and then trying it yourself. Forget about it.
2. There are fewer steps to preparing your taxes than there are to fights like Freya. Watching Tankspot explain it on YouTube will only give you a headache. Your guild is going to wipe on it anyway, so no need to give yourself a migraine. Skip the video and use my rules below!


Let's Raid!

Ok, so here is my Single Set Of Rules On How To Raid ANYTHING:

1. DO NOT stand in anything that wasn't there before the fight started, if it visually looks dangerous. This includes fire, black steaming circles of nastiness, green slimy stuff, purple ooze, etc. If you are not sure, stand in it for a second and see if your health goes down. If it does, MOVE.

2. DEFINITELY DO stand in anything that wasn't there before the fight started, if it visually looks beneficial. This includes pleasant rays of fairy moonlight, air with lightning bug / glittery things in it, shiny sparkly spots on the floor, or anything else that a 3 year old girl might want to color. If you are not sure, stand in it for a second. If nothing bad happens, definitely keep standing it it because it MUST be doing something good.

3. Do the following based on your function:

Tank: Attack the boss with everything you got. Keep doing this and don't stop until your healer drags you away screaming at you, "STOP! STOP! HE'S DEAD ALREADY!"
Heal: Keep healing until everyone is either dead and blaming you, or the boss is dead. In the latter case, it is your job to drag the tank away from the bloody corpse.
DPS: Do the same as the tank, but wait a fraction of a second before doing so. This way, if you get aggro, you can blame the Tank. Otherwise, he will blame you. That fraction of a second makes all the difference on who gets blamed for the wipe. Use it wisely. Now this next part is important: If adds arrive, you need to make a visual check of how dangerous they look. If they look like they can be ignored, stay on the boss. If they look really nasty, switch to the add. Simple! Or you can always fall back on the "watch what everyone else is doing and copy them" strategy, but I'm training you to be a trailblazer, so get in there and blaze that trail!
Off Tank: You're on the adds. Someday, if you ever become cool enough or geared enough, the guild might let you be a REAL tank. But probably not anytime soon. So stick to adds. And if you run like a madman all over the map with a trail of adds behind you, creating a hellish conga-line of death, all the DPSers are going to HATE YOU. So keep your butt in one spot, take your beating, and suck it up.

4. DO NOT stand in a Boss' AOE. The crap raining down on your head should be an obvious sign that it's time to pack up and move.

5. Should a boss fight require you to operate some sort of vehicle, land mount, or drake, randomly mash buttons as fast as the cool-downs allow. Generally, Button 1 is the biggie one to mash, so mash it more than the others. No one's really going to notice if you did well or not, so just mash, mash, mash! You're a pro!

6. If you get aggro, run TOWARD your teammates, not away from them. It's the surest way to get rid of that unwanted boss who's taken serious notice of you. Ideally, run toward (and right through) a mage. Mages are a big, big help with getting rid of aggro. If you're cool enough to be a warlock like me, you can even strategically position yourself right next to a mage throughout the fight, and Soulshatter as needed. Be sure to turn toward the mage when Soulshattering, so that you can watch the look on his face when the boss 1-shots him. If you're a mage, disregard everything I've just said, and take one for the team.

7. The laws of the universe that govern comic books, video games, and science fiction in general require that twins ALWAYS have some sort of symbiotic relationship, and a special power will CERTAINLY exist between them. Therefore, any time there are twin bosses (or even twin adds if they're extremely dangerous looking), they MUST be killed simultaneously. Very bad things happen when one twin witnesses the death of the other. Heed my warning, and kill any and all twins at the same time. Further, they cannot be allowed to touch each other or send each other any kind of glowing orb, ray beam, soothing rainbow, etc. You don't want the wonder-twins activating ANYTHING. So keep them apart, kill them apart, and do it at the same time.

If you follow these simple rules, you're sure to be a success at your next raid. I advise you to print this out and keep it handy. Review it during the boring buff periods before raiding, or when the tank is off in Dalaran begging for another healer. And be sure to stop back by and let me know how it went! Happy raiding!

Ellay
11-03-2009, 01:33 PM
Pretty damn accurate. I shall apply these to my raidiness.

Zzyzxx71
11-03-2009, 01:34 PM
Absolutely full of win.

d0z3rr
11-03-2009, 01:47 PM
I just killed Hogger using these rules.

Zzyzxx71
11-03-2009, 01:53 PM
I just killed Hogger using these rules.

Lies - Noone kills Hogger - don't try and derail this thread.

Siaea
11-03-2009, 02:15 PM
The Mage/Warlock relationship was amusing.

Marious
11-03-2009, 03:08 PM
Very well put on your guildies part, I shall follow these golden rules, these nuggets of wisdom are full of win, so tell your guildy we appreciate his post :)

Fef
11-03-2009, 03:37 PM
.. should work !

lans83
11-03-2009, 04:27 PM
If you're a mage, disregard everything I've just said, and take one for the team.

I LoLed in RL at that part. My main was a mage for a long time before I picked up a hunter and realized I died too often, never said I was a good mage :/

Anyway, tell your guildie thanks for this writeup, it's spot on and the best I've seen. Gonna share this my guild too. What's left of the guild, we like others, have our "Elite Raiders" and like me, not so great "N00bs".

Niley
11-03-2009, 04:45 PM
awesome!
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Stealthy
11-03-2009, 11:51 PM
It's like watching an Olympic gold medalist do the ski jump and then trying it yourself. Forget about it

This made me lol. :D

Much <3 for Tankspot vids btw.

Cheers,
S.

Smoooth
11-04-2009, 12:53 AM
I would just add these two things:

Don't stand in front of any boss unless you are the tank.

If you know you are going to wipe and get aggro make sure you use your ice block/ feign death/ vanish/ bubble so you can live a few seconds longer and a less fortune class will kick it first.

Multibocks
11-04-2009, 12:57 AM
LOL smooth, I always laugh when some mage IBs when we already witnessed the two tanks going down. It's like, uh dude, you ARE going do die. There is no doubt.

Mokoi
11-04-2009, 02:08 AM
agreed.. best post on the interwebs.

Ualaa
11-04-2009, 02:24 AM
If you know its a wipe, use your Hellfire.
That helps the repair bill.

alcattle
11-04-2009, 03:34 AM
what a raid?

Greythan
11-05-2009, 01:35 AM
Hilarious. I remember my first few times in Nax with a single toon and dying while standing in some cloud/pool of death. I vividly remember thinking, why the hell didn't I notice that and simply move out of it. Its funny how you are more of an automaton: "Hey, why didn't the raid leader tell me those black circles of smoke were going to kill me?!?!?".

zenga
02-24-2010, 01:44 PM
think this one deserves a bump :)

genocyde
02-24-2010, 02:29 PM
I would just add these two things:

Don't stand in front of any boss unless you are the tank.

If you know you are going to wipe and get aggro make sure you use your ice block/ feign death/ vanish/ bubble so you can live a few seconds longer and a less fortune class will kick it first.

Every once in a while I find myself sharing dialogue between my own toons in my head when they break one of these rules.

Tank: "stupid ass mage at least let me get TO the boss before you attack"
Mage1: "not my fault our keys are bound together l2 avenger's shield while running in"
Tank: "You should stand farther back this boss cleaves"
Mage1: "The heals are macro'd might as well make use of em"
Priest: "stupid mages"
*tank moves boss away*
Tank: "speaking of mages, why isn't mage2 casting"
Mage3: "He's been running into the wall over there this whole fight"
Mage2: "Sorry, my interact with target glitched again"
Priest: "stupid mages"
*I press IWT to move my idiot mage back to the boss*
*boss cleaves everyone*
*mage1 dies*
*mage3 dies*
Mage2: "HAHA, now who's doin the dps"
Priest: "stupid mages"

Fursphere
02-24-2010, 03:33 PM
every once in a while i find myself sharing dialogue between my own toons in my head when they break one of these rules.

Tank: "stupid ass mage at least let me get to the boss before you attack"
mage1: "not my fault our keys are bound together l2 avenger's shield while running in"
tank: "you should stand farther back this boss cleaves"
mage1: "the heals are macro'd might as well make use of em"
priest: "stupid mages"
*tank moves boss away*
tank: "speaking of mages, why isn't mage2 casting"
mage3: "he's been running into the wall over there this whole fight"
mage2: "sorry, my interact with target glitched again"
priest: "stupid mages"
*i press iwt to move my idiot mage back to the boss*
*boss cleaves everyone*
*mage1 dies*
*mage3 dies*
mage2: "haha, now who's doin the dps"
priest: "stupid mages"

win!

Littleburst
02-24-2010, 03:51 PM
Every once in a while I find myself sharing dialogue between my own toons in my head when they break one of these rules.

Tank: "stupid ass mage at least let me get TO the boss before you attack"
Mage1: "not my fault our keys are bound together l2 avenger's shield while running in"
Tank: "You should stand farther back this boss cleaves"
Mage1: "The heals are macro'd might as well make use of em"
Priest: "stupid mages"
*tank moves boss away*
Tank: "speaking of mages, why isn't mage2 casting"
Mage3: "He's been running into the wall over there this whole fight"
Mage2: "Sorry, my interact with target glitched again"
Priest: "stupid mages"
*I press IWT to move my idiot mage back to the boss*
*boss cleaves everyone*
*mage1 dies*
*mage3 dies*
Mage2: "HAHA, now who's doin the dps"
Priest: "stupid mages"

lol'd! :D

Dorffo
02-24-2010, 03:57 PM
Every once in a while I find myself sharing dialogue between my own toons in my head when they break one of these rules.

Tank: "stupid ass mage at least let me get TO the boss before you attack"
Mage1: "not my fault our keys are bound together l2 avenger's shield while running in"
Tank: "You should stand farther back this boss cleaves"
Mage1: "The heals are macro'd might as well make use of em"
Priest: "stupid mages"
*tank moves boss away*
Tank: "speaking of mages, why isn't mage2 casting"
Mage3: "He's been running into the wall over there this whole fight"
Mage2: "Sorry, my interact with target glitched again"
Priest: "stupid mages"
*I press IWT to move my idiot mage back to the boss*
*boss cleaves everyone*
*mage1 dies*
*mage3 dies*
Mage2: "HAHA, now who's doin the dps"
Priest: "stupid mages"

+1 for you sir!

I had a wonderful moment in oculus this morning where a toon started running off towards the edge ... obviously trying to off itself before I put it through anymore re-macro torture, so I swapped to that window and mashed my "follow main" key .... only to remember moments too late that I've just switched everything to FTL so "follow main" translated into "follow me off the edge, its a fun fall guys!"

Mercurio
02-24-2010, 08:28 PM
+1 for you sir!

I had a wonderful moment in oculus this morning where a toon started running off towards the edge ... obviously trying to off itself before I put it through anymore re-macro torture, so I swapped to that window and mashed my "follow main" key .... only to remember moments too late that I've just switched everything to FTL so "follow main" translated into "follow me off the edge, its a fun fall guys!"


LOL, I guess I feel better about being lazy and never setting up FTL.

It doesnt' stand for " For The Lose ", does it?

Aenar
02-25-2010, 12:19 PM
a toon started running off towards the edge ... obviously trying to off itself

Anyone else have a problem with one character always being the black sheep? I mount up and fly away, and find "D" didn't finish mounting and ran trying to catch up (into a pack of mobs). Or running thru a city/tower and all the toons make it around corners except "D" gets stuck humping a wall. Or in Icecrown landing on the moving ship for dailies and find that "D" was the only one to miss the platform (after I dismount)... SPLAT. `tard.

Siaea
02-25-2010, 03:01 PM
Or in Icecrown landing on the moving ship for dailies and find that "D" was the only one to miss the platform (after I dismount)... SPLAT. `tard.

Oof, I've had that happen more than I want to count.

Raid Warning: "Seiae: Follow Broken!"
Raid Warning: "Seiae: Low Health!"

Seiae has died.

Me: "WTF is this?..oh, she's 5000 feet below me..."

Ualaa
02-25-2010, 05:53 PM
Good stuff, Genocyde.
Thanks for sharing that.

ebony
02-25-2010, 11:25 PM
Every once in a while I find myself sharing dialogue between my own toons in my head when they break one of these rules.

Tank: "stupid ass mage at least let me get TO the boss before you attack"
Mage1: "not my fault our keys are bound together l2 avenger's shield while running in"
Tank: "You should stand farther back this boss cleaves"
Mage1: "The heals are macro'd might as well make use of em"
Priest: "stupid mages"
*tank moves boss away*
Tank: "speaking of mages, why isn't mage2 casting"
Mage3: "He's been running into the wall over there this whole fight"
Mage2: "Sorry, my interact with target glitched again"
Priest: "stupid mages"
*I press IWT to move my idiot mage back to the boss*
*boss cleaves everyone*
*mage1 dies*
*mage3 dies*
Mage2: "HAHA, now who's doin the dps"
Priest: "stupid mages"

OMG i do this all the time i had a guilde with me the other day in naxx (weeky) and was talking to my salf in raid chat when i wiped becouse the hunter MD to the Healer :S


Love the guide, the guildis into tankspot ways by the book we fail a lot maybe i sould post to them.

lightstriker
02-26-2010, 04:17 PM
Every once in a while I find myself sharing dialogue between my own toons in my head when they break one of these rules.

Tank: "stupid ass mage at least let me get TO the boss before you attack"
Mage1: "not my fault our keys are bound together l2 avenger's shield while running in"
Tank: "You should stand farther back this boss cleaves"
Mage1: "The heals are macro'd might as well make use of em"
Priest: "stupid mages"
*tank moves boss away*
Tank: "speaking of mages, why isn't mage2 casting"
Mage3: "He's been running into the wall over there this whole fight"
Mage2: "Sorry, my interact with target glitched again"
Priest: "stupid mages"
*I press IWT to move my idiot mage back to the boss*
*boss cleaves everyone*
*mage1 dies*
*mage3 dies*
Mage2: "HAHA, now who's doin the dps"
Priest: "stupid mages"


LOL, so I am not the only one developing multiple personalities disorder. I seriously had to suppress these dialogs after the first month of 5 boxing. They still havent totally go away.

zenga
08-17-2010, 02:39 PM
Think this one deserves another bump. Too good to let this post become history.

Norrin
08-17-2010, 07:19 PM
Thanks for bumping that. Too funny.

F9thRet
08-17-2010, 11:25 PM
This thread should be stickied , for no other reason the the laughs We have had.

stephen

Aevra
08-18-2010, 06:48 AM
Agreed, to funny posts and i also always have 1 black sheep which holds me back.. tought multiple times to kick him and get another new shaman instead.

thnx for post,
sticky plx

zenga
08-18-2010, 09:01 AM
A bump every few month makes it more worth than a sticky. After all who reads stickies?

It's my mission in the multiboxing community to keep the smile on fellow boxers their face by bumping this thread every other month!

Daeri
08-18-2010, 09:30 AM
Just discovered this guide and definitively worth the read :)

Kudos to Genocyde for his nice anecdote too. Guess we all have a black sheep too in our respective teams. i definitively have one but still like them though.

zenga
10-30-2010, 07:38 PM
It's time again for my periodic necro bump.

valkry
10-31-2010, 08:30 AM
n-n-n-necro!!

Creazil
10-31-2010, 10:29 AM
It's time again for my periodic necro bump.

I appreciate the bump, fun reading :-)

zenga
02-24-2012, 10:35 AM
Been over a year, but still keep my bumping promise!

traedoril
02-24-2012, 11:43 AM
Every once in a while I find myself sharing dialogue between my own toons in my head when they break one of these rules.

Tank: "stupid ass mage at least let me get TO the boss before you attack"
Mage1: "not my fault our keys are bound together l2 avenger's shield while running in"
Tank: "You should stand farther back this boss cleaves"
Mage1: "The heals are macro'd might as well make use of em"
Priest: "stupid mages"
*tank moves boss away*
Tank: "speaking of mages, why isn't mage2 casting"
Mage3: "He's been running into the wall over there this whole fight"
Mage2: "Sorry, my interact with target glitched again"
Priest: "stupid mages"
*I press IWT to move my idiot mage back to the boss*
*boss cleaves everyone*
*mage1 dies*
*mage3 dies*
Mage2: "HAHA, now who's doin the dps"
Priest: "stupid mages"

So me and one of my three's partners were doing ToTGC while we waited for the other guy to log on. I was running on five toons and he on one. We were chilling on skype bsing etc... I started raging at my rogue for randomly running into walls with IWT. I was literally screaming on skype that this rogue sucks and he should quit playing the game until I realized that it was me...

Since then I only box occasionally because I feel like a crazy person.

lans83
02-24-2012, 10:08 PM
To this day, I still apply what I learned in this post to all my pugs and raiding. I laughed so hard, yet learned so much from this posting. Tell whoever posted this, that thanks to him/her, I have survived many encounters on my first attempts and still laugh and hang my head at those that won't learn not to stand in shit that hurts them, including tanks.

zenga
02-24-2012, 10:35 PM
To this day, I still apply what I learned in this post to all my pugs and raiding. I laughed so hard, yet learned so much from this posting. Tell whoever posted this, that thanks to him/her, I have survived many encounters on my first attempts and still laugh and hang my head at those that won't learn not to stand in shit that hurts them, including tanks.

Word! This post was made shortly after I started with wow & multiboxing, and got me wondering what raiding was. These simpleprinciples are o so true and will last you quite a while. I'm now playing in one of the higher ranked 9h/week guilds in the world, and I still credit this post for getting me into raiding!

lans83
02-24-2012, 11:14 PM
Word! This post was made shortly after I started with wow & multiboxing, and got me wondering what raiding was. These simpleprinciples are o so true and will last you quite a while. I'm now playing in one of the higher ranked 9h/week guilds in the world, and I still credit this post for getting me into raiding!

Nice. I copied and posted this on my facebook page too in the notes section and tagged all my raiding buds too. Had to share this knowledge :D

ebony
02-26-2012, 03:46 AM
Every once in a while I find myself sharing dialogue between my own toons in my head when they break one of these rules.

Tank: "stupid ass mage at least let me get TO the boss before you attack"
Mage1: "not my fault our keys are bound together l2 avenger's shield while running in"
Tank: "You should stand farther back this boss cleaves"
Mage1: "The heals are macro'd might as well make use of em"
Priest: "stupid mages"
*tank moves boss away*
Tank: "speaking of mages, why isn't mage2 casting"
Mage3: "He's been running into the wall over there this whole fight"
Mage2: "Sorry, my interact with target glitched again"
Priest: "stupid mages"
*I press IWT to move my idiot mage back to the boss*
*boss cleaves everyone*
*mage1 dies*
*mage3 dies*
Mage2: "HAHA, now who's doin the dps"
Priest: "stupid mages"

i forgot how much this made me cry!

Kel
02-28-2012, 08:21 AM
My mage is far too eager to "take one for the team", she is a good 10% xp behind the rest of the group because she dies so often. She's also arcane spec, so it's not like she's getting aoe threat. She is also a bit of a slacker and most of the time if I'm fighting and one toon is doing nothing it will be my mage, who dropped follow a little while ago, usually anywhere there's a patrol or respawns. She's the top dps though so I don't think I can replace her :P

My healer likes to get stuck behind things, but she's a gnome so I can't blame her too much. Haven't done COT Dark Portal yet, but they fixed the water there I think...

My warlock likes to chill at the bottom of the dps meter and fail to soulstone anyone (I really should sort my macro for that out), occasionally she'll send her pet into the wrong group just to make things more interesting.

I also struggle sometimes to assign loot on an objective (who needs it more, who will make the best use of it) basis and find myself thinking about whether the toon deserved it for that fight or not. Probably my own fault for running with 3 clothies.

zenga
02-21-2013, 11:52 AM
Years ago, when the animals could still talk, I took it upon me to keep spreading the genius of this post to the newer generations.
So here we go again.

Chivalrous
02-21-2013, 01:03 PM
Very powerful necro, I'm sitting in a dentist office and lol'd. :)

JackBurton
02-23-2013, 05:17 AM
Nice when you can pepper a lesson with humor like that. I haven't had a good laugh like that in a while. Thanks for the share.