Formations

[Natarks]

I have searched these forums to try and figure this out, I've watched the intro2 video that very quickly goes through how to do it, but I simply can not seem to get it to work. :eek:

Anyone able to go through the slow, simple steps to get my 4 guys to stop the jamba strobe follow, and move into a formation of some sort.

What I have tried thus far. I have created a key (G18) that moves each guy in a different direction, this seems to work, but once i let the key go, the run back to each other. I have even manually set the autofollow off in jamba, and I've also hit shift+alt+f which says the follow is off, but no matter what, they regroup, very frustrating. Is there a way within a keymap to make sure the strobing/autofollow is off, or to have it toggle or something that will have them STAY STILL after moving apart?

This just seems like too easy of a problem but is proving frustrating.

Thanks!

[Ualaa]

From your post, I'm assuming you too use IS Boxer.

Open ISBoxer Toolkit.
Click on your character set (at the top).
On the left, click on the 1 or 2 (whatever) under Slots.
To the right you'll have (beneath hotkey to switch to this character)
A check mark for "when I switch to this character".
Do this mapped key.
Mine is Control Group and Follow/JambaMaster.

This means, when I switch to a toon, that toon becomes the Jamba Master and the other toons begin to follow the new "hot/active" toon.

There are other options on which key to use. But I like normal follow, which can be broken with an arrow key, if I desire.



Click on Keymaps General (at the top)
On the left, right click on mapped keys.
Select New Mapped Key.
Call it Down Arrow.
Where it says Hotkey, use the Down Arrow. No modifiers.
Turn "On" - Hold any keystroke actions while hotkey is held.
FTL modifiers should be default (don't want to change this setting anywhere).
Click the 1, under Steps.
On the right, right click on Actions.
Keystroke Action >>> New Keystroke Action
The Target is.... Window: All without Current.
And the Key Combination is Down Arrow (no modifiers again).

This lets you break follow, with the down arrow key, from any toon and with only the other toons moving backwards.
You can repeat the same for Up Arrow, Left Arrow and Right Arrow.
Which lets you move the slaves independently of the main, or just break follow on any arrow key.



On the top, go to Keymaps General.
On the left, click on the + to expand... Toggle Jamba Follow Strobing.
I have selected the MR key on my G15 keyboard, because it has a light which I can use to visually track strobing, but any key will work fine without a G15.

If you do use a G15/G11 keyboard, you'll need to open the Profiler Software (clear all hotkeys, so its blank - will only need to clear keys once) and then End Task - Control Shift Escape and under Processes click on LGDCore.exe and then End Process. You'll need to do this each time you start ISBoxer, so it can work with a blank G15/G11 profile.

There should be two steps (an on and an off step is more reliable then a simple Toggle).
Click on the 1, on the left under Steps.
Under the Actions, there is PopupText > self.
If you don't have a keyboard with G-keys, I'd edit the Display For upwards from 0.50 seconds to 2.00 seconds, for more visual notification.
Leave the Do Follow/JambaStrobe in Control Key Map -> Self... as it is.
If you are using a G-Keys keyboard, right click on Actions and select New Light Action.
Target is current computer, Light is MR and On is the last option.

Click on Step 2 and we will then do the reverse.
Give yourself a longer PopupText if you lack a G-key keyboard, for more notification.
And add the Light action, this time going Off, if you have the G-Key keyboard.



Now, if you change from one toon to another, and Keymaps are on...
Then the other toons will auto follow the new hot toon.
But if you turn keymaps off, you can change and follow doesn't auto start.
Which is useful for Shoot them out of the sky (Ebon Hold Daily), so your toons don't run off the cliff when you exit the guns.... *smile*.

You can also enable Follow Strobe with a hotkey, and disable it with a second press of the same key.
With either a G-Key lighting up when its on, or a longer notification on the screen.
So when follow is likely to break (I use this with epic flyers, or lots of ground running) strobe is on.

You can also use arrow keys to break follow (if strobe is off).
Or turn strobe off and then use the arrow key to break follow.

You can use your G18 mapped key for toons to move apart for formations.

[Ualaa]

A question for those more experiences with IS.

How can I make formations, and then move the toons as a group in the formation?
I know it cannot be via follow, or that would destroy the formation.

Is it just a mapped key, which sends Forward arrow to every toon?
If that is the case, won't the toons vary slightly in their facing, and drift apart as they travel?
Or would I mouse broadcast, and use double click to move them?
And again, will they retain formation, or gradually split up?
I saw the flying V formation and am curious of that too.

[Drommon]

Ualaas answer is great! My simple answer is "turn off jamba strobing (strobe follow) in ISboxer". What happening is when you move your alts they just refollow the main after 1 sec. I been down this road too :)

Drommon

[Drommon]

A question for those more experiences with IS.

How can I make formations, and then move the toons as a group in the formation?
I know it cannot be via follow, or that would destroy the formation.

Is it just a mapped key, which sends Forward arrow to every toon?
If that is the case, won't the toons vary slightly in their facing, and drift apart as they travel?
Or would I mouse broadcast, and use double click to move them?
And again, will they retain formation, or gradually split up?
I saw the flying V formation and am curious of that too.


I am at this stage as well, I have not successfully been able to move my formation and keep it intact. My guess would be to broadcast coordinates from the mouse and have those coordinates adjusted for each toon before action takes place. This would be against EULA I think.

Drommon

[Altsoba]

Thank you so much Ualaa!
Been looking how to do it for ages!;)

[Seldum]

How can I make formations, and then move the toons as a group in the formation?
I know it cannot be via follow, or that would destroy the formation.

What if you build in a step to set a specif view on your toons and then use a "normal" movement key like you suggested yourself. Then you should be able to control your toons in one direction....

I can't see theres anyway you would be able to use a sort of an "follow" command so they would keep any formation.

Nice info concerning the "Toggle of strobefollow".

My current setup is ctrl+Arrow down toggels strobe on and of. Then I have a keymap to be brodcast to all my toons for each arrow key. Thats how I move the whole group a bit back or forth.

[alcattle]

A question for those more experiences with IS.

How can I make formations, and then move the toons as a group in the formation?
I know it cannot be via follow, or that would destroy the formation.

Is it just a mapped key, which sends Forward arrow to every toon?
If that is the case, won't the toons vary slightly in their facing, and drift apart as they travel?
Or would I mouse broadcast, and use double click to move them?
And again, will they retain formation, or gradually split up?
I saw the flying V formation and am curious of that too.
I think you could set the formation and then broadcast the movement keys. forward and backwards should work for short moves. if you needed to turn I would. start over with follow, set your direction and do formation again. I think it was Vyndrees video that showed this best.

[Jhax]

I use the default setup created by the wizard.
I use jamba strobing by default.

I currently have one formation which has main character at the centre and the other 4 toons fanned out round him - facing inthe same direction.

My favourite spot for this is in Av outside Dreks waiting for the towers to time out. - I face the entrance gate - fan out and drop totems ( 5 shamen) - Makes it look like an army is awaiting anything that comes through the gate.

Formation looks like

X----- M----- X
----X----- X

It is acheived through 2 keypresses of the same key.

The first disbales jamba strobing
The second fans them out.

Using Isboxer create a keymap
within the keymap set a hotkey - I personally use a G15 keyboard and us G2

Create 2 steps

Step One ( leave the ftl option and the hold keystroke option as off or default)

Creat a keymap action - Warcaft Macro
Target is window current
key combination ( you choose)
Macro = /jamba-follow strobeoff all

I include a second popup action which says "spreading out" on the current screen <<< Not necessary
Step 2 - Leave FTL as default or off - Set the hold button option to ON

Create 6 keystroke actions ( I am assuming character in slot 1 is the main)

1) target = slot2, Key to pass is Q
2) target = slot3, Key to pass is E
3) target = slot4, Key to pass is Q
4) target = slot4, Key to pass is S
5) target = slot5, Key to pass is E
6) target = slot5, Key to pass is S
Because you have the hold key option turned on for the second step, the longer you hold the key the bigger the Fan will be.
By using the slot instead of character name as the target - the formation can be used for any team.

[mebben]

I'm so gonna try this when I get home. Thanks for all the useful posts <3

[Natarks]

Thanks Ualaa, I will try out what you've posted and see if I can get it to work. My
main problem is the strobe follow, which despite turning it off in game on each guy, it somehow always seems to be back on. Hopefully this will fix the need to drag all my guys around wherever I go in cities, sometimes I just want 3 to sit still but they get lonely fast and insist on following.

Funny thing is, I initially had a hard time making them follow, now they are glued to each other.

[Seldum]

If you have the box ticked in the Jamba mod which enables follow after combat then you will have the problem with the toons starting to follow you after you end combat.

Also, a small tip, tick off the button in jamba - "Stop Autofollow while drinking" I think its named :) Really make life easier when drinking.... to begin with my toons stood up again after I ordered them to drink.

[Natarks]

From your post, I'm assuming you too use IS Boxer.

Open ISBoxer Toolkit.
Click on your character set (at the top).
On the left, click on the 1 or 2 (whatever) under Slots.
To the right you'll have (beneath hotkey to switch to this character)
A check mark for "when I switch to this character".
Do this mapped key.
Mine is Control Group and Follow/JambaMaster.

This means, when I switch to a toon, that toon becomes the Jamba Master and the other toons begin to follow the new "hot/active" toon.

There are other options on which key to use. But I like normal follow, which can be broken with an arrow key, if I desire.



Click on Keymaps General (at the top)
On the left, right click on mapped keys.
Select New Mapped Key.
Call it Down Arrow.
Where it says Hotkey, use the Down Arrow. No modifiers.
Turn "On" - Hold any keystroke actions while hotkey is held.
FTL modifiers should be default (don't want to change this setting anywhere).
Click the 1, under Steps.
On the right, right click on Actions.
Keystroke Action >>> New Keystroke Action
The Target is.... Window: All without Current.
And the Key Combination is Down Arrow (no modifiers again).

This lets you break follow, with the down arrow key, from any toon and with only the other toons moving backwards.
You can repeat the same for Up Arrow, Left Arrow and Right Arrow.
Which lets you move the slaves independently of the main, or just break follow on any arrow key.



On the top, go to Keymaps General.
On the left, click on the + to expand... Toggle Jamba Follow Strobing.
I have selected the MR key on my G15 keyboard, because it has a light which I can use to visually track strobing, but any key will work fine without a G15.

If you do use a G15/G11 keyboard, you'll need to open the Profiler Software (clear all hotkeys, so its blank - will only need to clear keys once) and then End Task - Control Shift Escape and under Processes click on LGDCore.exe and then End Process. You'll need to do this each time you start ISBoxer, so it can work with a blank G15/G11 profile.

There should be two steps (an on and an off step is more reliable then a simple Toggle).
Click on the 1, on the left under Steps.
Under the Actions, there is PopupText > self.
If you don't have a keyboard with G-keys, I'd edit the Display For upwards from 0.50 seconds to 2.00 seconds, for more visual notification.
Leave the Do Follow/JambaStrobe in Control Key Map -> Self... as it is.
If you are using a G-Keys keyboard, right click on Actions and select New Light Action.
Target is current computer, Light is MR and On is the last option.

Click on Step 2 and we will then do the reverse.
Give yourself a longer PopupText if you lack a G-key keyboard, for more notification.
And add the Light action, this time going Off, if you have the G-Key keyboard.



Now, if you change from one toon to another, and Keymaps are on...
Then the other toons will auto follow the new hot toon.
But if you turn keymaps off, you can change and follow doesn't auto start.
Which is useful for Shoot them out of the sky (Ebon Hold Daily), so your toons don't run off the cliff when you exit the guns.... *smile*.

You can also enable Follow Strobe with a hotkey, and disable it with a second press of the same key.
With either a G-Key lighting up when its on, or a longer notification on the screen.
So when follow is likely to break (I use this with epic flyers, or lots of ground running) strobe is on.

You can also use arrow keys to break follow (if strobe is off).
Or turn strobe off and then use the arrow key to break follow.

You can use your G18 mapped key for toons to move apart for formations.


Finally got a chance to try this out, WORKS GREAT! :D

Thanks Ualaa!