Pve, what gear

[Ogloo]

So, i have full furious on all my guys, and i am starting to pve, i got enough emblems or w/e and bought 2 conq, 2 valor on al the guys, but looking at the gear, i see my pvp pieces have like 130 SP, and the pve gear has like 80-90, so is it worth even buying the conquest badge gear? should i just go to naxx 25 man and stuff, and uludar in my full relentless which has some hit on it already and i have the 100 hit rating trinket from honor,,

what do u guys think?
i can never tell with the heroic training dummy because it never seems to match my dps when i get in the raid.

[wowphreak]

One of the things that yer pvp gear dosen't have is to hit which is one of yer biggest dps boost till yeh hit cap.
also pvp gear tends to be stam heavy which isnt really needed and resilience is useless for dps.

basically for dps haveing pvp gear isnt all to bad as long as yeh switch out some pieces for to hit.

here's a link to a comparison with furious gear vs conqueror gear
http://www.wowhead.com/?compare=40993:41007:41019:41033:41044;46206:46207 :46209:46210:46211

yeah, yeh probaly should skip conqueror gear stuff as long as all yer other items are of equal ilevel stuff

The big question is what kinda of dps can yeh put out with yer pvp gear? That'll be the deciding factor.

[Ualaa]

For heroics, the bosses are the equivalent of level 82.
For raids, the bosses are the equivalent of level 83.

In PvP, you basically need 4% hit (more if they have talents to reduce your hit).
In PvE, its somewhere around 80 or 90 hit rating for Shammies or Druids to cap for heroics.
In PvE raids, you want 17% hit (for casters) and 8.5% hit for melee to cap.

1 hit, 1 crit, 1 haste, 1 penetration rating all cost the same amount of itemization points.
However a lower number for hit then the others gets you a 1% gain.
For this reason, until you're hit capped for your content, hit is the highest dps gains.
Once you're capped, hit doesn't do anything at all.

In general PvP gear has massive crit, resilience and stamina on it.
While these are useful stats, you could lose the resilience and a lot of the stamina and gain other stats for a PvE boost.
The honor bought PvP gear (Hateful) is equivalent to iLV 200 I believe.
That's the same as heroics or Naxx 10.
Deadly is 213, which is Naxx 25, or close to Ulduar 10.
Furious is the same iLV as Ulduar 25.
If you're already in full Furious or equivalent, you won't find PvE type upgrades until Ulduar 25 basically.

ToC Heroic, ToC 10/25 and Ulduar 25 will be better PvE type gear (at least in some slots) then what you have.

There will be the odd piece you can pick up, which will increase your PvE dps, despite being lower iLV.
But for the most part, what you have even if itemized wrong, is overall better then heroics/conquest items.

Concentrate on hit items, until you reach the hit cap.
Mana per 5 and raw spell power are upgrades for PvE.
A few trinkets which increase spell power on a crit or such, or the melee equivalent will be ups too.

[daviddoran]

I've noticed this too. I did av from 71-80 and singed with ilvl 213 pvp gear which was way better than anything in naxx 10 and heroics, so even for pve I use pvp gear. The survivavility of pvp gear in raids is nice, aoe dmg boss fights are cake, as I approach tank like hp.

I've found that spec makes more of a difference than gear, so I just bought dual specs on all my shaman and will be pvp ele and pve ele. Mostly the same gear, swap out trinkets, and a couple items with hit, and bam I'm a viable raider ;)