Multiboxing guild so... can what is raidable?

[Pavavion]

We have a lil mbox guild on Khaz'goroth and currently there is 4 5x boxers. We each have our own PVE heroic farming teams:

Boxer 1: Main Crew: Prot Pally, 3 ele shams and 1 resto sham. (dual specced ele)
LVL 80 alts: 2 Mage+ 4 warlocks.

Boxer 2: Main Crew: Prot Pally, 2 ele shamns, resto sham (dual specced ele) and destro lock.
LVL 80 alts: Priest, 4 warlocks.

Boxer 3: Main Crew: Prot Pally, 3 ele shams and 1 resto sham.

Boxer 4: Main Crew: Prot Pally, 2 ele shams and 1 resto druid, 1 hunter.

So was just wondering for some feeback/suggestions from the raiding mbox guilds, for a good place to start and learn some mbox raiding :)

[daviddoran]

Well, for one, you dont need 4 tanks, so you should probably decide which pallies are gonna dual spec ret or holy. I've found that everything goes smoother if each boxer only does 1 or 2 roles at a time, not 3 (tanking healing or dpsing) I find that it's pretty easy to tank and dps, or heal and DPS. Some fights need only one tank, some need 3, and some need all 4, so its good that you already have that comp. (4 horsemen come to mind, you could easily put one boxer per horseman.)

What I would suggest, is try and see if you can manage throwing in more than just shaman, because otherwise, you will have 90% of the raid all fighting for the same gear, and a lot of it getting sharded. I'd keep at least one priest, and one mage, for the buffs, and definately keep a couple locks, destro locks do pretty mad dps (check furs macro thread for a good lock /click macro)

The biggest hurdles you will come across in Naxx 25 will be Grobulus, and Thaddius, Grobulus is a bitch to micromanage (maybe try the "strafe everyone at once and ignore the plague injection method" and Thaddius will take time to get everyone into position, and spread out, so you can ignore the charges, and only will be possible if each DPS pumps out 3.5k + dps on the entire fight or you hit the enrage timer. Depending on your gear, and what kind of DPS you can do, other bosses may get difficult as well. If you are pretty geared out in heroic badge gear, a lot of the gimmicks can be avoided and just healed through, like second boss in spider wing, if you can heal through her enrages without MC'ing anyone to apply the debuff, it's a tank n spank.

I just remembered, you probably can't do Instructor Razuvious with only one priest, unless you get creative with off tanks and priest re applying MC every time boneshield runs out.... If someone can level up a second priest, then it should be doable. He IS skippable if you can run past him, and use a soulstoned lock, and 2 shaman to ankh, rez, and summon the rest of the raid once you are safely past him.

I think Fur has a thread about our guilds progress somewhere. Lately we've started back up in 10 man ulduar, with 2-3 of us boxing anywhere from 2-5 toons each depending on who's available. We've only gotten through Flame Leviathan, Razorscale, and XT, and haven't been able to down anything else. Obsidian Sanctum is actually pretty easy now for us, we recently did it with 15 toons in the 25 man version, and it was pretty easy, so with 20, you should be able to do it easily. Plus, you will get all the 20 man achievements :) And if you are up for it, you have 5 open slots for puggers. We have a bunch of single boxers in our guild and having them helps a lot on some encounters (we use them as target masters, using /focus based targeting, for burning down adds, etc.

Whatever you do, take screenshots, or even better, Fraps it. I'd love to see other boxers attempt 25 mans.

[Yeyl]

I'm guessing your Alliance, judging by your sig picture? My PvE team is Horde on Khaz'goroth. Prot Pally, 2 x Mages, 1 x Warlock and 1 x Priest heals.

Level 78 at the moment. Wonder if I should start looking into faction/server changes to try and find others for level 80. No other Horde boxers on Khaz from what I can tell.

Yeyl

[Zamok]

Starter raids.

Ony, Spider and Plague Naxx, VoA, Sarth(no drakes).

Great fun learning.

I managed to 5 Box the Kologarn and the Crazy cat lady for a friends guild on reset night and could see it being doable by boxing teams alone.

Hodir however made me totally ineffective because of the movement required. With a bit of practice I think I would be able to participate more but that would take some practice and I feel that would be unreasonable to expect of a non boxing guild.

Freya I can see some of the folks doing here with a bit of practice also. Thorim is totally doable as boxers as well but you would need to put your best team in the gauntlet. Not saying it would be easy but considering some of the acheivments of folks here do its a definate possibility.

If your farming heroics as a boxer a lot of Naxx is going to be laughable except the few fights mentioned above. Its become a badge run though or a filler run for gaps in your gear but since there are only 20 toons being boxed it would become a heap easier if you bring in some non boxers for certain roles. Grobb tank, Thaddius Tank, Priests for MC on Rav come to mind, someone to kite adds on Gluth.

Just my thoughts.

[Zamok]

Fair enough on the Ony I guess, I didnt find it overly taxing but its not a new encounter to me either.

As to Naxx I think they are looking at 25 man or I assumed they were.

[Pavavion]

Cheers for the replies now to get sometime of schedule of days/times we can get some of these raids happening. We are all heroic badge geared most of us with 2 conquer'ers pieces. The boxer with the hunter, 2 shams, pally and boomkin is triumpth geared and easily is the best boxer in the guild. I would be leaning towards him being mt?

Will we be needing a form of OT at all or with mboxing this negates the need for the 2nd tank? "IF" we run with loaded shamans there will be plenty of heals abound. Myself and the other boxer with locks can bring 5 caster dps each and use the other pally 4 shaman boxer as the bup tank?

As for 10mans we haven't looked at them at all but would think it would be both 5man crew look after themselves? "OR" we break down to 2-3 toons each for 10 man content.

Appreciate the tips and advice so will get cracking of hopefully starting an attempt at some raids very shortly, will post back any successes, ss, vids if we get them too :)


@Yeyl
I haven't come across any horde boxers on the server yet, but as we mainly do PVE I wouldn't be suprised if there were more of yas out there.

Thanks again :)

[daviddoran]

Most fights in Naxx at least require an offtank, to do it the "right" way. It's less for the MT to worry about, and helps the overall raid in case stuff goes wrong. We've had a few times where the MT dies, and the OT picked up, and turned a wipe into a kill. There's a few fights where one tank can do it all, so Dual spec, or toon swapping is what you'd want to do.