Anyway to stop alt tabbing?

[Dabrixmgp]

Im just playing a rogue/lock duo RAF nothing serious just wanna get my rogue to 60. I use the rogue as my main with the lock on autofollow. Im sick of alt tabbing to use my warlock macro of send pet cast corruption and they alt tab back to rogue. Is there any software that will let me view both of my accounts side by side on the same screen so I dont have to alt tab? Im playing both accounts of the same machine obviously.

[Owltoid]

I see you've done thorough research.

Multiboxers don't alt-tab. We just key broadcasting programs (see sig for example) or multiple computers with multiple receivers to gather keyboard/mouse inputs.

[Dabrixmgp]

But isnt all this stuff for people using more than 1 PC? After looking through most of it thats what it seems like. I remember a while back here a guy had both of his instances on 1 PC where you could see both characters at the same time on the same screen. Ok I don't understand a lot of this stuff. I just want to be playing on my main account and make my other character in the background send his pet and cast 1 spell.

[deadguyfred]

I see you've done thorough research.

Multiboxers don't alt-tab. We just key broadcasting programs (see sig for example) or multiple computers with multiple receivers to gather keyboard/mouse inputs.




reread, analyze, understand

[Dabrixmgp]

Tried Keyclone it wouldnt work guess I will just stick to alt tabbing.

[Dabrixmgp]

I have tried all the stickies and cant make it work. I have made macros on my clone to follow my main and one to assist,send pet, and cast 1 spell. But I cant figure out how to make him assist,send pet,and cast without having to switch over. I have downloaded and tried 3 programs but cant make any of them work. Rather than smartass answers that dont help me how about maybe some advice. I have never done this before.

[Velassra]

I have tried all the stickies and cant make it work. I have made macros on my clone to follow my main and one to assist,send pet, and cast 1 spell. But I cant figure out how to make him assist,send pet,and cast without having to switch over. I have downloaded and tried 3 programs but cant make any of them work. Rather than smartass answers that dont help me how about maybe some advice. I have never done this before.

Did you pay for Keclone? It doesn't work w/o it.

Do you know how to make a macro? If so, are you putting them on the same slot on both instances?
Show us the macro that won't work maybe someone can tell you why.

You're going to have to do better than: "I have downloaded and tried 3 programs but cant make any of them work."
You'll get alot of help if you show at least a minimum attempt at it yourself. (I know because I still ask stupid questions myself.)

[Ogloo]

ok, I know this is very confusing to multibox and it takes time, please read this that i took time to write, and follow each and every word exactly.. ill repost this on a thread for all who need.. (stickky :0)

This is a guide I made for someone months ago, but because it was burried under 10000 posts, Ill like to repost it, because ive gotten questions wanting to have it again!..so hear it is

what you will need-

keyclone (19.99)
addons- automaton, jamba, pitbull (free)
macro's (which are simple! once u learn how to do them)
a decent computer, I would suggest something with a quad core if you are doing 4+ characters and almost necessary after you hit Northrend
multiple wow accounts

1. Download automaton, jamba, and pitbull (or a UI that allows u to bind any keys to any spells in wow)..
2. Keyclone- keyclone is a program used (19.99$) that can be downloaded off this site. What keyclone does is, it links whatever key presses you do on wow1 and wow2 (different wow's open on ur computer)... There are several things you need to do to become advanced at keyclone. But most of the things come already started for you. Once you install keyclone and your set, and have 2 accounts open ur first wow. Go into your game options and select windowed mode. Move ur size of ur new wow window to fit half the screen or however u want to set it up. Then, open a second wow, make another character and split the screen again to have it set as you want it...
3. u have ur characters made-- dont get carried away.. keep ur characters at the starting spot because all the keys are bound, and this gets realllllly messy...
4. is it working?- before you get moving around.. press spacebar while on "wow1", you should see both "wow1", and "wow2" jump at the same time.. this means that keyclone is working and ur set and ready for the more complicated stuff.. if not working.. going back and makesure keyclone is open, and keyclone has noticed you have opened wow.
5. Do-Not-pass- in keyclone, there is a tab called, "do not pass" go into this window. click the area that says "<click here and hit a key>".. dont hit a key please... (these are the keys that will not be transfered from "wow1" to "wow2".. ) you will want to have keys like, C, H, L, M, O, P, Enter, /,... ect.. while your running around and trying to open different windows, its very difficult to have all of the windows opening and closing.. whenever u see a problem with things opening.. just go to hear and put them in thedo-not-pass...
6. keybinds-- in wow settings- while on "wow2" go into ur settings and to keybinds.. this is another way that u can use make it so the alt does not do what the main is doing.. This is where ur going to go to "movement keys" and unbind the keys w,a,s,d,.. or up, down, left, right keys.. whichever u use to move.. This is so that you can have the main move and not the alt. (if u want to get fansy, you can have the movement keys for the main w,a,s,d.. and for when u just want the alt to move (for getting out of aoe or something).. u can use the arrow keys..)... Some more items that u might want to unbind are "enter" and "/" because u dont want them all talking at once!.
7. Macros--the most important part!!!-

follow- when u just start a character say the first "free" button is "3" because u have like 2 spells at the start.. On "wow1" you will leave this space blank forever.. on "wow2" you will make a macro.. and place it on the button 3.. this is what the macro should look like.. ..... /follow wow1 (wow1= the name of ur main character name.,.. which i do not know).. place this on the button 3 on the alt, and leave it blank on the others..
Shoot- now that u are running around and jumping at the same time and ur figuring it out, now its time to kill a mob. (dont do quests yet please).. (pretend ur a mage...) the only spell u have at the begging is fireball.. on ur main, you will leave button "2" as fireball, and then on the alt, you will create a macro place the macro on button 2.. replacing the normal spell please!!!- the macro should have the same picture to make it easier.. you will need a macro that looks like this /assist wow1 (now press enter to go down a line)... /cast fireball



again-- do this step again for all spells that you get.. but do not use them for self cast things like frost shield.. because u want to give that to urself..

8. addons- and finally, you will need to setup macros. which are self explanatory..
Jamba= a addon that links that accounts so that they auto accept groups, trades, quests, focus, follow (pulsates every 1 sec.. different settings can make variables).. and all that (go into the main settings.. add all the alts names that will be included in this addon on "wow1" and the mains name on "wow2"'s addon..
Automaton= skips all the unnessisary things in quests, group invites, summons, deaths, trades, says ding! which is funn in guild!, and more auto thinggs like going into BG. and passing on
Pitbull- a new UI that allows u to put spells anywhere on the screen and bind them to keys.. So for example, if u want to bind 1, 2, 3, 4, to spells,, and cntl 1, cntrl 2, cntrl 3.. to buffs you can do that..!!

[Dabrixmgp]

Not trying to sound like a bum but I have to pay for keyclone? I think I found out why it wouldnt work for me. Oh well printing this off for future use.

Also is there a way change the screen size of my accounts so 2 of them show up on my screen the exact same size, side by side, w/o overlapping. I swear I have seen screenshots of people who had done this with like 4 accounts each account being 1/4 of his screen in each corner but I cant find the posts or have any idea how they did it.

[Fizzler]

Not trying to sound like a bum but I have to pay for keyclone? I think I found out why it wouldnt work for me. Oh well printing this off for future use.

Hehe I am sorry this just killed me.

Keyclone and other paid software like ISBoxer are well worth the price of admission. If you are strapped for cash there are free alternatives out there.

[Dabrixmgp]

Sweet got it working 24 hour trial version FTW. I can prolly get to 40 in 24 hours I hope lol.

[Bettysue]

HKN is a free alternative, and works quite nicely. Head to Hotkeynet.com find the download at the top, and install it. Then follow this link http://hotkeynet.com/wow/wow-sample-two-on-one.html read the little bit about how it works in the header, make the small changes that are needed, and save it in a text file. Load the script into HKN and you'll be boxing without tabbing in minutes.

I'll leave the macroing and assisting bit to you, as there is plenty of documentation on this site in the stickies and wiki.

If you post your screen dimensions, and the size you want your screens to be I can make a script up for you. Also tell me what leader method you want and I can help you with the macros, and script if needed. Focus is probably going to be the method of choice for dual-boxing, but i won't turn away a request for FTL, or some sort of hybrid setup. Just post what you want and I can help.

[Fizzler]

Glad to see you go it working. Now that was the easy part the hard part will be getting any sleep.

[Bettysue]

I was hesitant to pay 20 bucks for a prgram that I had no knowledge of when i first started boxing as well. It wasn't the money it was the, "do I trust this vendor I've never heard of" factor that had me hung-up for a while. I looked around and found so many people using it that I finally threw in the CC number and got the full version. I would definately say it was worth it, nice program and good support even through the verification server hiccups.
I eventually switched to HKN because I like to mess with the scripts, but thats my sick addiction, and had nothing to do with the caliber of Rob or his software. I haven't upgraded to the newest version of keyclone but from what I hear it has been steadily getting better, and more worth every cent you spend on it.

[Dabrixmgp]

Went with 2 locks gah this is so easy. I can just kill stuff by having both pets go in and then wand lol.

[Dabrixmgp]

You can pay $30 a month for WoW, but you can't pay a one time fee of $20? Really?

Both of your posts have been so helpful I wish my epeen was as big as yours and my skills were as awesome. Go back to your basement. And for your info im pretty broke right now and when my accounts expire in 10 days they will probably be that way for a while.

Thanks for the advice people gave that actually helped me.

[antishadow]

*facepalm*

[Khatovar]

You can't afford WoW or the programs to multibox it, or be bothered to read any of the hundreds of posts on how-to, yet you want to call someone who can a basement dweller?

[Otlecs]

Some people really do make it almost unbearably difficult to not flame on the newbie forum.

[Bettysue]

Not flaming newbies is so easy, I just imagine a giant jellybean asking questions...not sure why but after the bout of laughter, I'm much more able to understand where they are coming from, and provide a meaningful answer :D

And seriously newguy, fursphere likes you he flamed you faster than he flamed me when i was new, so I'm convinced it's love at first sight :P

[Phanes]

You completely failed to miss my point. Bravo.



This.

Multiboxing is NOT a cheap hobby. Its not "easy mode". Epics don't rain from the sky (until you get really good). If you have to ask simple questions like this and can't be bothered to look around a little at all the other posts other people have made, well this hobby isn't for you. Especially if your having funding problems.

People around here LOVE to help. They bend over backwards to help people. Some are chomping at the bit just waiting for people to ask questions so they can help. Really, this place is full of good folks.

But then somebody says "$20 is too much - or do I really have to pay for soemthing" - I start getting the nervous twitch and want to bitch slap people. Keep in mind this forum is in part funded by some of that software that you are crying about paying for. this forum that is otherwise provided at no cost to you.

Fur epics rain from the sky for me I routinely blow up 10 to 20 level 200+ items everyday. Of course I took the time to read your DPS macro posts. Watch the videos. Talk with Rob on max setup for keyclone. Invested in a better system. Learned /click from sam deathwalker.

Did I miss anything?

[Svpernova09]

Fur epics rain from the sky for me I routinely blow up 10 to 20 level 200+ items everyday. Of course I took the time to read your DPS macro posts. Watch the videos. Talk with Rob on max setup for keyclone. Invested in a better system. Learned /click from sam deathwalker.

Did I miss anything?

Bold for emphasis. I'm usually quick to stomp on anyone flaming here in this section. But seriously, if you can't read, talk to people about your ideas, and / or learn things for yourself, multiboxing is not for you.

We're really not a bunch of people who look down on others who ask dumb questions and point and laugh. As it was said before, there are TONS of people just waiting for someone to ask a question to something they can help with. The key here is, this community pretty much requires that you do some reading before even the most basic stuff gets answered for you. And I'm fine with that.

[Rocky Rhode]

Fur has a basement???

Man I am really jealous now, we opted for a single story home…I guess I could go soak in my pool…

[Veronycht]

You completely failed to get my point. Bravo.



This.

Multiboxing is NOT a cheap hobby. Its not "easy mode". Epics don't rain from the sky (until you get really good). If you have to ask simple questions like this and can't be bothered to look around a little at all the other posts other people have made, well this hobby isn't for you. Especially if your having funding problems.

People around here LOVE to help. They bend over backwards to help people. Some are chomping at the bit just waiting for people to ask questions so they can help. Really, this place is full of good folks.

But then somebody says "$20 is too much - or do I really have to pay for soemthing" - I start getting the nervous twitch and want to bitch slap people. Keep in mind this forum is in part funded by some of that software that you are crying about paying for. this forum that is otherwise provided at no cost to you.

Hoorah!! Way to put it down Fur :-)


I just started boxing a few days back as well, like Fur said it isn't cheap or easy at first. I just learn to read, have patience and also it does help with the amount of years I have played to understand macros. I am still learning, but instead of asking questions try reading, I swear I have read about 20 of the same (or similar) guides to getting set up. Don't go flaming members in here for trying to help.... that will get you nowhere.

I decided to roll 3 hunters and a priest. Still have more stuff to read for heals and /macro's to make for healing toons. But there are hundreds of posts, take the time to read them and not make urself look like an @$$ flaming in forums about why you can't pay for software and get all pissy. If you can't afford keyclone or wow I recommend you stop playing because you need to clarify some real life issues first...

Few ok, just had to get that out >.<

Alliance>Dragonblight
Hunters: Infe>Infx>Infr Priest:I nfux

[Ogloo]

darn u guys beat me to the bite on this one.. was just about to give a speech before fur did :( (kinda wanted that speech lol)...

But just to add,
I dont think u understand that we (meaning the creators of this site, not me), created keyclone and many other great softwares. We are not a community in which we took off a program and just talk about ways to move around and do this for free. The only reason there is a payment is it takes hours upon hours to create these programs, which dips into the work time/free time of the people who created it. Also, they are paying for a site with NO ADDS, so they have no source of income to pay for the site or the time they lost due to support, upgrades, and the creation of great products like keyclone.

Im glad u have a interest in multiboxing, but as all multiboxers know we already get enough crap for multiboxing (lawl), and its great that our community holds together!,

peace, o and the comment about the basements. If hes got the multibox 5+ accounts hes probally not sitting in his basement all day, but working his ass off to make the money for whatever he likes to do in his life

[zanthor]

All said and done if I was a newb and this was my first post, I'd not bother coming back to the forums...

There is a great wealth of information here, so much so that it's hard to figure out what you need, what works with what, etc. It can be quite overwelming to a newb I would imagine.

When I first visited dual-boxing.com there was a plethora of information about hardware boxing, a few posts about software tools, and Keyclone was posting... at that point we had two options for software boxing, AutoHotKey or Keyclone... and it was STILL a shitload to consume and understand.

Keyclone was $10/cpu, I ponied up knowing I could eat $20 at the time and call it a loss... now it's $20 (and still a steal) with a 24 hour trial (which IMO is pretty damn short to make an educated decision, but the product is definitely worth the $20.)

Did this guy jump in askign the right questions? Nope.

Did we need to treat him like this, for asking newb questions in the newb forum? Nope.

[keyclone]

Both of your posts have been so helpful I wish my epeen was as big as yours and my skills were as awesome. Go back to your basement. And for your info im pretty broke right now and when my accounts expire in 10 days they will probably be that way for a while.

Thanks for the advice people gave that actually helped me.


You completely failed to get my point. Bravo.


i dunno Furs... looks like the newbie sized you up in the first round. :D

[Zappy]

Sweet got it working 24 hour trial version FTW. I can prolly get to 40 in 24 hours I hope lol.


And for your info im pretty broke right now and when my accounts expire in 10 days they will probably be that way for a while.

Unless something has changed recently, trial accounts are only good for 20 levels.

[Veronycht]

Unless something has changed recently, trial accounts are only good for 20 levels.


I believe he is referring to the keyclone trial. :-)

[Ogloo]

my-b origional poster!.. just dont call a honored member of the community a basement dweller then we good ;0

[jstanthr]

im sure its all been said before, but i would make your lock macro on a "hidden" key that u don't use on your rouge, and set up a simple assist button that makes the lock step back at the same time, that way it's easier to get it in your routine

[Phanes]

You might want to go back and re-read the thread. I think you missed the bulk of it.



And you. I wasn't even the first one to point out the bullshit in this thread, I just emphasized, yet you go straight for the insults directed at me as always. Get a life dude. I was actually supporting you and your software here, you're making me regret that.


Fur unless there is some bad blood between you and Keyclone I am not aware of I think he was just joking around with you.

[Bettysue]

Careful phanes the the sign you just passed says minefield

[Phanes]

Its cool. For what it is worth I often credit you in my sucesses with multiboxing and reference things you have posted when helping out newbs and such.

[zanthor]

Look at the thread... I've read every post and had before I replied yesterday, our long time posters and vet members acted like jackasses. Saddens me that the community is becoming so jaded to new users that they expect everyone to read through dozens of stickies (which most of which are out of date and non-maintained.)


OP: Newb question, doesn't appear he read much.

Reply: RTFMNOOB!

OP: I did, but I misunderstood the wealth of information.

Reply: Quote of RTFMNOOB! Clarification of RTFMNOOB!

OP: Tried keyclone, Didn't work cuz he didn't register it. Keyclone doesn't state that it wont work without being registered, it just doesn't work. The link on the site doesn't take you to a page about keyclone, it just takes you to an auto-unzipper exe... which doesn't even create a shortcut for you... so you unzip it and have no clue what you need to do next... (Honest feedback rob: Maybe it's time to make an installer?)

Reply: Mocking OP.

OP: I've figured out macro's to do the hard shit, I just can't get a multiplexor to work.

Velassra: Useful reply with useful feedback on how OP can get more help.

Ogloo: Amazingly useful reply with all the information noobsauce needs to get up and running. (MAD PROPS!)

OP: Most common question when told user has to pay for Keyclone or IS.

Fizzler: Useful advice that there are free alternatives, but no names.

OP: Got trial working, I like Keyclone.

Bettysue: Good advice on Hotkeynet.

Fizzler: Humorous feedback.

Reply: Mocking Newbies financial status.

Bettysue: Defending the hesitance to spend money.

OP: Happy OP

OP: Thanking one Reply so much for being a jackass.

Antishadow: Post++

Reply: Defending jackass.

Otlecs: Pointing out fact that newbie forum is hard to not flame in.

Bettysue: Commentary on flame status.

Reply: Trying to save face, my flame isn't a flame, it's useful advice, really.

Reply: Random Comment

Mod: Advice that if you can't read and figure things out you shouldn't multibox... almost says stop flaming, but doesn't.

Reply: Housing status.

Reply: Housing status.

Reply: Multiboxing isn't easy, again.

Reply: Multiboxing isn't easy, again.

Zanthor: Guys, it's a newb forum and a newb question we don't need to treat newbs like this.

Keyclone: Points out that Sam left and Fur ascended.

Zappy: Misunderstood OP.

Veronycht: clarified for Zappy.

jstanthr: Useful reply.

Phanes: OT

Bettysue: Good point.

Fur: Removing discussion of OT.

Phanes: Props Fur.

[Svpernova09]

Look. this got pretty out of hand pretty fast.I shouldn't have ignored the report on this thread, I should have locked it then, but I'm locking it now.

Zanthor makes some good points and his thread summary is pretty accurate.
I think Fur has some good points as well, but I think some people automatically dismiss everything he says, because he says it. I honestly think if Fur said the sky was blue, a 4 page QQ would ensue.

So here's the takeaway from this thread.

To the community:
Don't flame in the newbie forum.
Be nice to new people.
People you may not like, are not always wrong.
If you have a beef with another member, take that shit to PMs, sort your shit out, we're (mostly) adults around here. We should act like it. If you can't sort it out, ignore each other.

To new people:
You're not going to figure out everything in 5 minutes. This requires some research and trial error. The reason we can't just hand you a viable solution prepackaged for you for FREE, is because nothing like that exists. Every setup is different.