I am seeing tons of multiboxers in this game

[pinotnoir]

I have a feeling that all the ones I am seeing are farmers. None of them speak as the trains go by. Anyone else see a ton of famer/boxers?

[Sheytan]

botting in aion will be real easy the in game commands can auto target mobs, you can pretty much creat a bot with in game macro then use third party clicker

[Moorea]

I haven't seen a single bot or other boxer than souca and I so far on our server
(plenty of gold spammer but no bot spotted yet)

[Naysayer]

I have a feeling that all the ones I am seeing are farmers. None of them speak as the trains go by. Anyone else see a ton of famer/boxers?


It's a smart bet that there will be more bots in the game than players after it's first year. This game is just Lineage II in a new wrapper and they never cared about botting in that game at all, which seemed to have a 20-1 bot to player ratio before I quit.

[Niley]

you can only 2 box on one pc, if that's what you mean by trains.
I also almost always ignore people that whisper me(Im boxing), and i haven't seen one botter yet....i also highly doubt that chinese farmers would be multiboxing...

[Naysayer]

The Chinese servers are completely overran with bots. This is NCSoft we're talking about, they will do nothing to them and they'll flood the U.S servers as well. How many gold selling tells do you get per hour? 30 to 40? Where do you think that gold is coming from?

NCSoft makes decent mmo's, but they cater to the bots and gold farms so they always fail.

[Moorea]

"always fail" etc... it's funny to see people with definitive opinion of a game which is less than 1 week old in its US/EU release... I guess you just troll... if you don't want to play the game, nobody forces you, but spreading bs about overrun with bots; etc... keep that to yourself unless you have actual personal experience (which you don't so stfu ?)

[Phanes]

you can only 2 box on one pc, if that's what you mean by trains.
I also almost always ignore people that whisper me(Im boxing), and i haven't seen one botter yet....i also highly doubt that chinese farmers would be multiboxing...


Niley I actually know a Chinese farmer that plays in DAOC he was actually in my guild. He told me that him and 3 other guys lived in a 2 bedroom apartment and played their team 24/7 on 6 hour shifts. They did it with 8 machines using one wireless keyboard and one wireless mouse.

So at least one chinese farmer multiboxs :). I do not play AION I am only speculating but if a team of 6 can farm more effciently than a solo toon then they will be hardware multiboxing AION.

[Rin]

Actually,

As someone else pointed out, the 6x toons you usually see running around together are mostly players being botted. I've stopped to talk to several of them, but have never gotten any replies. Typically you'll see them running around in circles, killing stuff thats 4 or 5 levels below them. Some of the bots don't seem to be configured correctly though; if you start killing something in the area where they're in, sometimes they'll come to finish off the monster, lol.

It's hard to tell whether or not NCSoft will step up and ban the botters from the community. I'm sure they've got so much going on right now that it's hard to enforce things like this.

Furthermore, there's currently a lot of ex-WoW type people playing this game who want to reach the end-levels, so they're paying for someone to level them because they can't deal with the Aion grind. To put it into perspective, you could have a level 70 in WoW by the time you hit 20 in Aion. If you just grind, then going from 1-20 takes about 24-28 hours (even the botters/powerleveling people/etc will tell you that it takes 24+ hours). If you don't grind, you get hosed when you run out of quests to do and still need over a million exp before your next level.

From speaking with others, it only gets worse beyond the mid-20s, so you really can't approach this game super casually if you want to reach the "end game" within a month-2 months time frame. While I can't speak much beyond level 21.5, I can state that if you mix up grinding and questing, it takes about 3-5 hrs per level post level 20. A couple of my guildmates claim that 30+ is about 6-9 hours per level depending on how you do it. When comparing this to WoW, ideally you could have your whole team of 5 characters at 80 and in some raid gear by the time you get to 40+ in Aion. Hopefully that helps to give you the idea of how the leveling is in this game.

I most likely will not be boxing this game (especially not as 6 characters), because of the pvp and pve dynamics of this game that are a tad bit more than I want to deal with as a boxer. I do think that it would be awesome to have a team of sorcerers at 50 though -- you could probably 1 shot anyone in the Abyss. Although, after spending hours in Aion (rerolling and also helping the woman level her Ranger), the reward versus time played to level 6 chars to 50 just doesn't seem to be worth it to me (I'm sure some of you would enjoy it). It's a fun game though and I do recommend it.

Must...keep...grinding.

http://na.aiononline.com/livestatus/character-legion/search?charID=54280&serverID=5

Trixxi - Vaziel/Eylos


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[Moorea]

I have yet to see a single botter (saw many in wow) and yet to need to grind anything or run out of quests(*)... so we must be playing a different game

*: despite dual boxing == 1/2 the kill xp on each toon - but yes I'm only 19 so far so maybe it suddenly changes dramatically between 19 and 21.5...

Next time you do see a bot - please pst as we're apparently on the same server - I'd like to see one (pst Moorea)

[Phanes]

I know NCSoft has a history of making grind fest games. I played Lin 2 /shudder

[Drizzit]

@Rin

I saw a solo toon botting. The reason why they attack your mob is because they get xp. They might not be able to loot the mob but they will get some xp for doing some damage. This is sort of a good idea. The reason i say it is a good idea, having my sorc, i have to get away from mob and then start casting my spells and by the time my first one hits the mob i have another one on its way. Now a melee person probably doesn't see me and starts attacking my mob. (Now there is no way that he can out dps 2 sorcerer, but if they did the wow way he would have tagged the mob, cause he attacked first and i would have killed it). So half the time i just go my way cause i don't want to steal kill, but it is pissing me off cause it is happening 60% of the time.

[Drizzit]

I have yet to see a single botter (saw many in wow) and yet to need to grind anything or run out of quests(*)... so we must be playing a different game

*: despite dual boxing == 1/2 the kill xp on each toon - but yes I'm only 19 so far so maybe it suddenly changes dramatically between 19 and 21.5...

Next time you do see a bot - please pst as we're apparently on the same server - I'd like to see one (pst Moorea)

You picked the right race though. Asmodian have it worse. I heard it doesn't get better till like lvl 35 with quests. If you read the forms all the people that complain about grinding are asmodian and the people that call them trolls are the other race.

[Moorea]

You picked the right race though. Asmodian have it worse. I heard it doesn't get better till like lvl 35 with quests. If you read the forms all the people that complain about grinding are asmodian and the people that call them trolls are the other race.
Except Rin who both claims to have seen lots of bots and having to grind is Elyos...

My toons are level 21 and I still have plenty of quests to do - somehow I seriously doubt the asmo would have fewer quests than elyos - maybe they need to visit the quest hubs ?

[Rin]

Except Rin who both claims to have seen lots of bots and having to grind is Elyos...

My toons are level 21 and I still have plenty of quests to do - somehow I seriously doubt the asmo would have fewer quests than elyos - maybe they need to visit the quest hubs ?

The asmo should have the same amount of quests as the Eylos (or at least close to it; check aionarmory.com for an entire list of quests).

@Moorea - If the game weren't a grind fest, wouldn't there be someone, anyone, at level 50? I mean, the game has been out for two weeks (almost 3 if you got in the pre-order) now and people aren't even close (though there are some low 40s). I'd imagine that we'll start seeing people at 50 over the next week or so, but still. And though this thread is a bit dated, it does illustrate one player's frustration with the "grind":
http://www.aionsource.com/forum/chitchat/32477-i-need-grind-19-hours-level-44-45-_.html

Either way, you're either killing a lot more things than me while doing your quests, or I missed a bunch of content? (that would actually be refreshing). Anyways, I attempted to "save" quests, and not grind, but it turns into a grind shortly into the level. I have 0 quests left in the Eylos newb zone, 1 quest (that I'm aware of) left in the level 10-11 starting area, 1 campaign quest that I currently have open and am eligible for, and about 4 other various quests. There are a bunch of quests that I'm not eligible for (will be at 24) in the forest, so we'll see if my thoughts/views change over time.

Is there anyway to see the /played time total for a character? I'd like to see where I'm at currently and see how I stack up to your played time (perhaps I'm doing it wrong :))

Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about it (never have been, check out my posts), I actually like the grind, but not calling it a grind is just foolish.

[Rin]

Also,

Moorea, please check this out (this is older information, but it's still about right in terms of EXP needed to level):

http://elliotinaion.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/elyos-exp-chart-for-lvl-2040/

[Rin]

There are some more updated values on Aion Source, including this:



Experience to Level

Note: This was confirmed from random tells and 2-3 people providing exactly the same numbers.

Level 20: 1,000,147
Level 21: 1,295,094
Level 22: 1,609,877
Level 23: 2,001,924
Grand Total: 5,907,042
XP from Kills/Craft/Gathering/PvP required to get level 24 (assuming all previous quests are complete): 2,700,012


The above (only confirmed by other players) points out that you need to get 2.7 million exp between the quests that are available in game. This would, in my opinion, represent what I and other users have been talking about here, where you need to grind out exp between 20 and 24. I think that saying that you won't run out of quests is silly, unless of course you're grinding a bunch and not discussing it here (perhaps you're killing extras between quests?). If you're only doing quests and aren't grinding at all, then please tell me and everyone else HOW you're doing it, because clearly I'm doing it wrong, and I'd love to enlighten others once I learn the secrets.

Assume that you get 6000 exp per kill; it would take you about 450 kills between levels 20 and 24 (this is on top of the quests that you do). For my breakdown, I said that I did about 60 creatures per hour, so this would be 7.5 hours total. From my experience, I will say that I have spent almost that 7.5 hr total now grinding mobs, (hence why I still have a few quests available) and I'm almost level 24 (I'm sure that maybe 30 mins of grinding + finishing the rest of my open quests would = 24, easy).

Again, it's not a big deal, but it still takes this game back to EverQuest mode in my mind.

Source: http://www.aionsource.com/forum/aion-discussion/68552-grind-getting-closer-truth.html

[Moorea]

Obviously I do kill stuff; the stuff needed to quest and things aggroed along the way - also doing the Krall quests I don't stop the second I'm done with my drops/quest but we continue until everybody in the group got them

There are many quests which only open after you've done others and many that don't even seem to show up as "grey mark" one level and when you come back after dinging there is a bunch of blue new quests - I suggest you visit the flight paths and quest hubs of the zone you're in several times (though this happen pretty naturally between the "deliver this" and the returns)

Saying that it takes time to get to 50 has absolutely nothing to do whether or not you need to grind to get there - from my current experience; yes it takes longer to get to 20 in aion than in wow; but that does NOT mean you need to grind - just means there is more content "per level" (and that combat takes a bit longer than wow, per mob, probably) - likewise the xp number you need to level is irrelevant - what matters is how many you get by completing a quest - and completing a quest gives you the xp of the reward AND the xp of the kills... A recent quest return for level 20 gave me 120k xp, so like kinah vs gold; aion xp is a different scale and it doesn't make sense to look at absolute numbers - just whether you can do your quests and level and so far it is (earlier someone claimed they had to grind a lot to get to 21; I can say I duo-ed to 21 without any grind - unless you count clearing krall as "grind" I call this fun mmo group quests...) - maybe it changes dramatically from 21 to 23 but it didn't from 19 to 21 so I have my doubts... I'll be happy to say when I do run out of quests, if at all

ps: and again I get 1/2 of the kill xp for all the normal non elite kills (in group of 2) - so solo players would certainly not run out of quest to 21 (assuming they do group to do the group quests...)

[Rin]

@Moorea

Hey, where are you? I tried PSTing you.. come to Eltnen if you want to see a botter in game (although it's only 1 guy today; I haven't found any packs of 6 yet :-)).

[Moorea]

still @work I'll be happy to see the now single bot when I get online

[Moorea]

I'm on now but no "Trixxi" online...