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alcattle
08-30-2009, 09:15 PM
Team- 3 bears, 2 boomkin, 1 resto.
set up mapped keys 2 for each toon 1 for instant heal and other cast heal (longer and more healing)
keys on numpad 1-9 set up an action bar to use numpad keys with keybinds
how does IS figure out that numpad 1 should heal toon 1

or is there a better way to use healing keys, healer will be in background during combat

moosejaw
08-30-2009, 09:24 PM
Get a healing bar addon such as VuhDo or Healbot. Arrange the group the same way on each screen and aligned the same. Bring up the IsBoxer gui and setup a region to pass clicks to the healers window on everyone but the healer. Setup the healing addon with click heals bound to your mouse buttons and witness the ease of click healing from your tank or other party members.

You can split up the click regions to pass clicks to your decurse/dispel character in your party also. Greatly improves reaction times for heals and cleansing. Make as many click regions as you need to speed up/simplify your game play.

alcattle
08-30-2009, 09:27 PM
no way to hit a key and heal a toon? I use healbot on my healers and seems a pita to config.

moosejaw
08-30-2009, 09:45 PM
You can create an action target group "healers" and drag your healer to it. Then when you write heal macros in Isboxer you can send the macro to the healer window instead of "all windows, all other windows" etc. It will show up on that list. You should put your targeting in the macros just like any other macro.

So you can strike those keys and that macro will fire off only on the healer (or group of healers for some folks).

Frankly I went with VuhDo because the setup was a lot easier than healbot. It has an option to order the group alphabetically. You can drag in spells from your spellbook or type in a macro name of a prewritten macro (it will recognise it)(much like healbot). Even if you only use 3 mouse buttons for heals, that is more than you currently have and you save those keyboard keys. I don't use any modifiers for healing, just the unmodified clicks. I use 5 buttons: Earth Shield, Lesser Healing wave, Riptide, Healing wave, chain heal.

Remember clicking on the isboxer region only sends the clicks to the healer window. Clicking elsewhere on your screen will be normal mouse behavior. I am at work right now or I would post a screen shot of my arrangement. It is very easy to train yourself to heal like this.

alcattle
08-30-2009, 09:49 PM
I have looked into VuhDo, seems ok. I will play with that and talk more later.

WORK? Is it Sunday there?? Come to think of it, is it Sunday? I just started 10 day vacation :rolleyes:

moosejaw
08-30-2009, 09:58 PM
I had a 6 day weekend last week (woot). I pushed the second team to 80 during that time off.

I work at a water treatment plant and we are on 24/7/365. Rotating shifts also. I am on evening shift now and I start nights on Wednesday. /bah

Combining the clickboxer healing with FTL assisting means doing collection quests and healing confidently regardless of which character is the 'Hot' character. It is great.

Fizzler
08-30-2009, 10:06 PM
I work at a water treatment plant and we are on 24/7/365. Rotating shifts also. I am on evening shift now and I start nights on Wednesday. /bah

I lived in El Paso Texas years ago. The city water there has these little white flake looking floaties. It is odd looking. The morning Radio Shock Jock pretended to be calling into the water treatment plant for an interview. The fake Water treatment plant person on the other line said that the white floaties were pulverized toilet paper that is left behind from the filtering process. Should have seen how many people believed it.. too funny.

By the way.. Innerspace regions are outstanding.

moosejaw
08-30-2009, 10:18 PM
I lived in El Paso Texas years ago. The city water there has these little white flake looking floaties. It is odd looking. The morning Radio Shock Jock pretended to be calling into the water treatment plant for an interview. The fake Water treatment plant person on the other line said that the white floaties were pulverized toilet paper that is left behind from the filtering process. Should have seen how many people believed it.. too funny.

By the way.. Innerspace regions are outstanding.

LoL

In all honesty it was probably calcium deposits from piping/storage breaking free. We have to use an insane amount of Lime to presoften the water we take out of the Missouri river. Anywhere from 80,000 to 150,000 Lbs a day depending on time of year and flood stage. :)

Ogloo
08-30-2009, 11:57 PM
if u want things to just heal a certain person do F1= /target player 1 /cast heal

but i do like the healbot version.. just ive never figured out isoboxer..

alcattle
08-31-2009, 01:59 AM
I got VuhDo working and the /clickthrough to healer. Does what is needed. I believe it auto-magically adds party members but there are alot of Raid boxes I don't need and can't figure how to turn them off.

moosejaw
09-01-2009, 01:19 AM
On one of the setup pages there is check boxes for the extra frames. Keep browsing through it you will find it.

zanthor
09-01-2009, 09:06 AM
if u want things to just heal a certain person do F1= /target player 1 /cast heal

but i do like the healbot version.. just ive never figured out isoboxer..

The disadvantage of macro healing...

Lets take a simple healing class like a shaman for example... and a 5 man group.

Target / Cast System
5 target hotkeys
5 spell hotkeys
2 keystrokes per heal/decurse

As a raid healer I view this a a horrible slow process that requires twice the work as any other form of healing.

Hotkey to Target & Cast System
5 targets, 5 spells, 25 macros = 25 hotkeys

This is great if you have an x-keys and a good layout. Of course you expand to 10 man groups and you are screwed.

Click-to-Heal Config
3 modifiers, 5 mousebuttons, no hotkeys.

I can heal ANY size raid in my config, I often bring my five shaman team into wintergrasp, spec them all resto and rock the healing on defense... it's amazing how well you can keep people alive playing line of site games with the offensive DPS.

Shakula
09-01-2009, 10:25 AM
I use Keyclone atm and is very satisfied with that, but I must admit mouse healing and AE clicking looks very nice. Im toying with the idea switch to Innespace just for these two functions. Using 5 different computers connected with Multiplicity would that be any problem? As far as I understand it correctly the license is for 5 computers, so it would only be 1 license.
I use one 22" Wide and four 19" screens would that be any problem with different resolutions? I mean for the clicking area.

My main group is Prot Pally, Balance Druid and 3x Shaman (one healer/dps).

zanthor
09-01-2009, 10:34 AM
I use Keyclone atm and is very satisfied with that, but I must admit mouse healing and AE clicking looks very nice. Im toying with the idea switch to Innespace just for these two functions. Using 5 different computers connected with Multiplicity would that be any problem? As far as I understand it correctly the license is for 5 computers, so it would only be 1 license.

My main group is Prot Pally, Balance Druid and 3x Shaman (one healer/dps).

That would work fine, being able to use ALL your toons abilities to their fullest is pretty amazing :).

moosejaw
09-01-2009, 07:08 PM
I want to add that VuhDo is developed by a german player. His translations are very good. He has no difficulty reading bug reports and fixing them. He pushes bug fixes nearly every day.

Fizzler
09-01-2009, 07:24 PM
I want to add that VuhDo is developed by a german player. His translations are very good. He has no difficulty reading bug reports and fixing them. He pushes bug fixes nearly every day.

Vuhdo is a pretty amazing addon. The depth of the GUI configurations options are impressive. I had to quit using it last month when I kept getting an error that would not clear up. Since than I have upgraded it 8-10 times. I will give it another whirl soon.

outdrsyguy1
09-01-2009, 07:38 PM
Hmm.. you guys lost me somewhere along the way, are you saying there's an addon that we can use to transfer mouseclicks to each screen? I use keyclone but i haven't been able to figure out how to do any mouse click transfers. I'd love to actually be able to use my 5 mage team to cast blizzard, that would be insane awesome. Can i use this other program with keyclone or does it have to be one or the other.

alcattle
09-01-2009, 11:08 PM
Hmm.. you guys lost me somewhere along the way, are you saying there's an addon that we can use to transfer mouseclicks to each screen? I use keyclone but i haven't been able to figure out how to do any mouse click transfers. I'd love to actually be able to use my 5 mage team to cast blizzard, that would be insane awesome. Can i use this other program with keyclone or does it have to be one or the other.
Both InnerSpace and HotKeynet use mouse broadcasting. In some ways I like HKN's method and I am getting used to IS's way. IS's Clickthrough is awesome for healing a small group when used with Vuhdo

Greythan
09-02-2009, 08:32 AM
Count me as a click through healing convert.

My set up is IS with HealBot. Healbot can reorder the party window with a simple ctrl-alt-rightclick so that my main (pally) and healer (priest) are insync. I'm still getting used to this but as Zan pointed out I'm using more of my healer's abilities with this setup.

suicidesspyder
09-02-2009, 08:11 PM
Ok i use healbot and just kidna curious. Now that i am becoming more adept with Isboxer and loving it more and more. Ive read this article and still figuring this out. So your saying i used mouse broadcasting on and when i click on healbot since you can set it to use right click left click w/e i can right click the name on healbot on main and it will do it on the healer. So in turn no need for macros for healing is what i read. Also what zanthor said you spec them all resto in wg then with healbot and mousebroadcasting you will target a friendly and heal them from all 5 via healbot click. If i am along right line let me know thanks.

Greythan
09-02-2009, 09:16 PM
I'm too lazy to look up the link, but Zan or Lax wrote a tutorial on setting up window regions where its a persistent "click through" to the slave windows of choice.

So, I set up a region on my main (Paladin) that passes clicks through to the exact same spot on just my priest's client.

I then set up healbot to occupy the same spot on both screens and reorder the party on my priest to match my Paladin.

I then disabled most of the casting clicks on my paladin window other than "shift click" which is cleanse. I then set "shift click" on my prest to nothing.

Voila.

When I left click a toon on my healbot with my main (paladin) my priest casts a flash heal on that toon.

When I middle click, my priest casts renew.

When I right click, my priest casts greater heal.

When I alt-click, my priest casts Circle of Healing.

etc.

alcattle
09-03-2009, 12:23 AM
The Idea is to have one healer, then set the add-on of choice. Now on the healer set up a Repeater Region on IS. Then when you are on any other toon, you can click on your heal spells.
Talked to Lax on my problem and it was my error. Use zone/slot 1 and it applies auto-magically

moosejaw
09-03-2009, 02:57 AM
I'm too lazy to look up the link, but Zan or Lax wrote a tutorial on setting up window regions where its a persistent "click through" to the slave windows of choice.

So, I set up a region on my main (Paladin) that passes clicks through to the exact same spot on just my priest's client.

I then set up healbot to occupy the same spot on both screens and reorder the party on my priest to match my Paladin.

I then disabled most of the casting clicks on my paladin window other than "shift click" which is cleanse. I then set "shift click" on my prest to nothing.

Voila.

When I left click a toon on my healbot with my main (paladin) my priest casts a flash heal on that toon.

When I middle click, my priest casts renew.

When I right click, my priest casts greater heal.

When I alt-click, my priest casts Circle of Healing.

etc.

On my paly and non healing slaves, I only cover about a third of the healing bars with my repeater region. This leaves me room to slide over and do a cleanse from the paly just like you would normally. This also leaves room to add another region to pass clicks to a mage or druid if I substitute a character.

This way cleanse is only a left click and I don't have to move my hand off the G13 to press shift. : )

Greythan
09-03-2009, 08:43 AM
Great tip Moose. Hadn't thought of that.

I could possibly use this to enable to shaman's healing if I wanted to try and double heal something. Hadn't through of that, but it would make it ez mode. Shaman on half of bar, priest on other half.

Now, considering I'm so anti daily where am I going to come up with the 1k to dual spec? ;)

Seldum
10-23-2009, 09:57 AM
Would definetly also be interesting for Druids, where everyone in a 5-man group can heal. Very interesting thread here. Nice info. Im definetly going to tryout Vuhdo this weekend. Can't wait. It sounds like Vuhdo combined with ISboxers repeater regions is the way to go.

Ualaa
10-23-2009, 02:52 PM
I'm using Grid + GridCustomLayouts + Clique.
We can accomplish this with just Healbot or just Vuhdo.

It seems one addon is probably a superior route then several.
The more addons you use, the more likely something will eventually break.
At least we have several options, in the event that one breaks beyond repair.
Also, due to the number of healers out there, someone might takeover the maintenance of an addon whose author quits.
Or someone will develop their own; its not like healers are a small niche community.

Seldum
10-28-2009, 11:17 AM
I setup the healing for my 5 druids this weekend using Vuhdo and ISboxer's Repeater Regions.

I ended up using macros in Vuhdo so my toons don't heal if they are in any stance except Tree of Life. Works like a charm. Way better than my earlier macro healing setup.

Tsumi
10-29-2009, 06:46 PM
I am working on a DK + 4 ret pally team and I am having an issue with heals and buffs only when my dk is lead when using ISBoxer. All other functions seem to be working fine and all the heals and buffs are working when I have one of my pallies on my main screen.

I used the wizard to set up the team so have the basic FTL config with some added functions. I use grid on my healer but wanted to stay away from using it with this team. Is there a way to set up a FTL function that will work when I have my DK in lead or am I going to be forced to set up a healing mod with mouse clicks?

Thanks.

Ualaa
10-29-2009, 07:13 PM
The healing mod with clicks is by far the strongest option.
In that you can click any number of heals.
From any window, irregardless of leader.
You can set it to a raid, or party or whatever.

Nothing is stopping you from going the macro route.
Create macro's on the desired toons, on whatever keybind you like.
Then create Keymaps as desired within InnerSpace.
Each will have a hotkey to activate, a target of choice and an output key when pressed.

At its simplest, you can put your heals on an FTL dps key.
No matter which toon you play, if you click that key, they all heal your target.
If their macro (within warcraft) is: "/cast [help] Heal; [help, target=targettarget] Heal" (without the quotes), then even if your main is targeting a hostile, the heal will go to the hostile's target.

Tsumi
10-29-2009, 07:25 PM
I just sent up grid on each of them and I am now able to heal no matter who is leader. Still trying to figure out how to set up grid so they are all in the same order. Right now I can't heal who I want. But hey, it's a step closer.

Lax
10-30-2009, 11:40 AM
You need to use an addon that can sort the player list, I'm not sure Grid has that

Edit: According to olipcs you have to do that by editing the .lua

- grid also with alphabetical sorting turned on (this you have to specify in a lua-file, not in WoW directly)

suicidesspyder
10-30-2009, 01:00 PM
Use vuhdu lol. I set it up and baam they in the same order on every screen so i heal who i want when i want. Also since i urn 4 shamans when they spread my healer drops back behind everyone. Why so if my other shamans take damage i can target one hit chain heal and get them all.

Ualaa
10-31-2009, 03:32 AM
I just sent up grid on each of them and I am now able to heal no matter who is leader. Still trying to figure out how to set up grid so they are all in the same order. Right now I can't heal who I want. But hey, it's a step closer.


In addition to Grid, download GridCustomLayouts.

With both installed, type /Grid Config

Click on Layouts and then go to Advanced.

Create a new layout.

The text you want, including the quotes below, but no spaces is:

nameList="ToonA,ToonB,ToonC,ToonD,ToonE"

Do that on each of your toons, and it will sort them the same way.
I have a bug, where sometimes it displays the same toon name in slot D and E.
However, if toon D is down to half and toon E is healthy, it shows the health percentages correctly.
As in the same name/color in each grid, but toon D's grid square is half filled.
Clicking on the grid, heals the correct toon, even with the bug.
So, if for example you were to display 0 letters of their name, you wouldn't even see the bug.

With Grid, you'll need an addon like Clique to interpret your clicks as heals.