Dissapointed with Cataclysm

[Mokoi]

This does not look as interesting as the other 2 expansions.

Nuff Said.

[Svpernova09]

I think it's going to be interesting. They're doing a lot of things people have been wanting for a long time.





wtb NE->Worgen xfer NAO

[heyaz]

just throwing this out there, they should call this expansion Recyclysm.

this is just BS, MMO-Champ was right like I suspected and unless they offer something unique I don't see how this is going to be a succeswsful expansion for WoW..

/trulydissapointed

you haven't even played it yet.

garbage thread. recyclysm? yeah - they should totally add another continent or world outside of the main map so we can have 4 abandoned, ghost continents

[Babysir]

My concern is with the use of phasing. I've read that's not really a good thing for multiboxers. I wouldn't know as I only started multiboxing a few days ago.
For the rest of it, I'll wait before I make an opinion. Can't judge anything until you've tried it.

[Bot]

what kind of unique thing do you want? it all sounds pretty nice to me 'cept i would like to change to a tauren pally but i for sure am not leveling one :(

i dont know that theres much they could add to this game to really break any huge ground.

[rahven32]

Personally a lot of it sounds exciting to me. As much as I hate phasing for boxing it does bring great opportunities to the game. Always hated how you do something that changes stuff in the game but come back and it's like it never happened. Honestly wish they left the lvl cap at 80 though. Then they could of went with something like AA in EQ. Sort of sounds like they do have something like this in the new expansion though. Bumping the lvl's does nothing but make old content useless. Imagine if they left the lvl cap at 60 or even 70 and how much raid content there would be. Some of it old yes but still there for a purpose.

[gitcho]

can't please everyone ...

http://rlv.zcache.com/i_can_only_please_one_person_per_day_today_tshirt-p235363852359958583yr1c_400.jpg

[mmcookies]

You're a bit late on the QQ. People started a week ago.

[defactoman]

This game had started to get very old to those of us who've played since day one. A revamp of the old world is hardly a recycle. I consider recycling naxx, where you take the dungeon...dont change it very much and throw it back in. Heroic deadmines would also be probably recycled content - but this seems to be a small portion of it.

This is entirly different. They are taking old content (zones, dungeons, bosses), destroying them and making new content from it that we havn't seen before. I'm definatly bored of the old world, its been done...and done...and done over and over again. So i'm very glad to see this major change as it breaths life into a very old game. Adding another 10 levels and a continent would frankly be incredibly boring to a lot of us.

I have a concern tho from a multiboxing standpoint, if they are going to be making heavy use of phasing, this is going to suck for us multiboxers. I dont know about you, but i lose follow when traveling from one phase to another (aka fog areas or the wrathgate). Imagine trying to walk around with your characters vanishing all the time assuming they havn't fixed that.

[Svpernova09]

I hear a LOT of us having issues with phasing. But in my experience, it's never caused a huge issue. Sure, I lose toons if I don't handle certain areas the right way. (If lag is nice to me, I never have issues) So I welcome phasing as a means to explore new content.

Being able to FLY in Azeroth? this is what we've been asking for since level 70.

The thing that kinda irks me, is all the new class combinations, sure it's cool and everything, but I already have 60+ of every class on 1 faction. So I have no real reason to reroll. Bu I will. Gilneas looks BAD ASS.

[Trick]

The phasing issue that concerns me the most is the inability of a high level leader toon to boost low level toons through the old world instances because they are no longer in the same phase.

Aside from that, I'm OK with the reuse of the old world.

[Pocalypse]

They mentioned improving the UI to see players near you but in a different 'phase'.

Quote from MMO-Champion:


Q: Will “phasing” be used more extensively in World of Warcraft: Cataclysm?
A: Yes. We’ve come up with a number of new, cool ways to using phasing since we introduced it in Wrath of the Lich King, and plan to use it more extensively to change the world as players progress. We are also now able to phase terrain, which players will see in the starting areas for the goblins and worgen. We’re also adding some UI improvements to help determine when another player is in a different “phase” from you.

Hopefully the result is something that'll help us.

[elsegundo]

for boxing, it might cause problems yes.

as an expansion itself, it looks totally awesome. its progression, not recyclism, im glad i can return to kalimdor, after spending so much time in northrend, to find that naralaxx or whatever that druid is in wailing caverns has finally changed the face of the barrens, for example, and that ragnaros is back, and deathwing is ready to take over the world, and hey... you can finally see uldum and take a walk around under the mealstrum, or what have you. the world around us is changing and progressing. i like that.

[falsfire3401]

The thing that kinda irks me, is all the new class combinations, sure it's cool and everything, but I already have 60+ of every class on 1 faction. So I have no real reason to reroll. Bu I will. Gilneas looks BAD ASS.

This.

Except I haven't finished boosting my warrior/shaman duo to 60 yet. They're level 43. And the druid the 3rd account has been gifting is still 31. If I stop now I can "gift" him up to 43...single-box him to 60 to join my 2nd 3-man team that will start when my current 3-man hits 80 or gets boring.

I'll save the warrior & shaman classes for my goblins

[Malekyth]

I'm just resentful that, after pointing out that the Cataclysm rumors looked like bullshit on a few different forums ... it turns out that I WAS WRONG! Cataclysm is obviously out to embarass me, so now I can't give it the satisfaction of playing it. Hrmph. So begins the personal vendetta.

But actually, now that it's real, I quite like the idea of multiboxing goblin melee spurred on by some orc caster. It sounds so Warhammery. "GIT 'EM, GITS!!"

[Bigfish]

Cataclysm looks freaking awesome.

That is all.

[Solon]

You have no idea how many times I have walked up to Grim Batol and said," Damn I hope they put something sweet in here soon." Though I don't like the thought of Tauren pallies, it means I now have NO need for Blood Elves, yay!

As far as new races, idc, probably play both, but Gilneas is of interest to me. I hate those places in the world where you see a place to go and can't get there, and places that were empty on my map, there is a coastline, so there must be something there!

The sad part for me is I joined the game about at TBC release, and haven't really experienced all the old world content yet. I have been taking my highest team to run through the instances way overleveled to at least see them. There is so much to see and do, and my time is so limited. I only got one team to 60 and one to 40 on RaF :(. Didn't get my zevra mounts, didn't get my granted levels. Stupid work. Ugh.

So I continue to slowly level all my personal FotM teams (on 4 different servers) without heirloom bonus because I OCD about not having rested bonus. New expansions make me sad.

As far as the phasing UI upgrade, I strongly believe that will just be a "phase marker" in front of the name when they chat/ask a question in general. Then you read it and think," I don't have to help this dolt now because I already finished that phase, yay me!"

[Redbeard]

I cant believe that we're already complaining about this lol (ok yes i can).

I am waiting to hear more about this mastery / path of the titans thing. Also the guild leveling sounds like fun (I enjoyed it in EQ2, we'll see if its similar).

When I stop progressing my character I stop playing, so lets hope its something both fun, meaningful, and in depth.

Anyways.

We'll see.

[Kalros]

My only major gripe so far is that these changes to the old world are PERMANENT and there will be no way to go back once it starts. I was kind of hoping they would implement something where you can go back to the original old world through the Caverns of Time. No such luck though.

And my only REAL concern about that is that I have places like ZG and Karazhan on Farm for the mounts, and I really really hope they do not change those zones at all.

Also, if I ever do boost up another team, I'd like to still be able to take them through Deadmines, Scarlet Monestary, Zul Farak, Strat.

If all that gets left alone, then I'm gtg.

[Malekyth]

I noticed that there will be heroic versions of SFK and Deadmines with the new expansion. That is awesome. I'm immune to complete instance burn-out; since I'm a dungeon-crawler at heart, I'm always game to do an old dungeon again, provided I haven't been running it twice a night for the last week and am fed up. I've been hoping they'd start remaking old instances with heroic versions, maintained at the current level cap. This doesn't completely fulfill that hope but it's a nice start!

[Multibocks]

They will not remove or update old world raids, besides onyxia. No one wants to raid ZG for "nostalgia" like onyxia. Trolls... /shudder

I want to know whats up with faction transfer. Someone needs to ask the GD question to the panels.

I'm all alliance now, but the racials for goblins make me go.... hmmmmmmmmm. Cant wait to have a worgen druid though! Ugh leveling again, /cry

[suicidesspyder]

Im kinda happy with the change i mean yea its gonna be more work now but meh. Only thing that sux is i have so many toons between 60-70 i want to get to 80 before exp pack i dont know if i will make it. I want to be able to have all my teams at 80 so that when it drops i can make a goblin team and a worgen team. That might suk the whole leveling again too lol. Im kinda burnt on leveling but meh seems like it will be fun. But for now i guess imma get my 5 shamans to 80 5 locks to 80 and 5 druids to 80.
Then ill make teams and be rdy to explore the new stuff with mixed teams oh yea cant wait. Yea the worgen druid looks awesome am i right tho. Why didnt they make goblins or drwarfs or gnomes a druid now that would have been great come on. You have the normal size druid then you have a kitten and could you imagine tanking an instance the size of a bear cub sexy if i say so. But hopefully we have another year till that comes out. I mean shit we still got the battle for icecrown citidel with arthas to deal with right. One more year and ill be set with all my teams having epic flyers and rdy to have some mad fun. Also this way i can have a horde and alliance team on my server then transfer horde and alliance team to whatever relm all of us are going to this way i dont have to be alone all the time on a server that is negative cept me in the boxing category. Getting tired of the complaints now so that whole idea of everyone making guilds together sounds great. Sorry so long wouldnt have beena ble to goto bed in 5 mins with all that on my mind.

[Mokoi]

you haven't even played it yet.

garbage thread. recyclysm? yeah - they should totally add another continent or world outside of the main map so we can have 4 abandoned, ghost continents

I played the old world. Since day 1.

I was a little disappointed when Naxx came out, because we finished that, at lvl 60 and it really didn't change, at all. I understand that most of the community wasn't able to do that, so that's fine.

This expansion in no respect warrants the same excitement we had about BC or WotLK is all I'm saying. Remember when you saw the first BlizzCon photos and leaked info on these xpacs? I was excited, like a little girl on xmas. Now, I am seeing a disappointing add-on to a game and not a true expansion. I hope there is more info to come, because so far I feel underwhelmed.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

So how will they handle the phasing for the world changes with regards to going back to do low-level quests for faction with capital cities or nostalgia items? An interesting theory. (And yeah, I know you can turn in shitloads of cloth or do BGs or <insert alternate faction method here>. Not my point. Thanks for playing. Please drive through.)

[Redbeard]

I played the old world. Since day 1.

I was a little disappointed when Naxx came out, because we finished that, at lvl 60 and it really didn't change, at all. I understand that most of the community wasn't able to do that, so that's fine.

This expansion in no respect warrants the same excitement we had about BC or WotLK is all I'm saying. Remember when you saw the first BlizzCon photos and leaked info on these xpacs? I was excited, like a little girl on xmas. Now, I am seeing a disappointing add-on to a game and not a true expansion. I hope there is more info to come, because so far I feel underwhelmed.

I dont understand... were still getting new zones right? Theyre just revamping the old ones for the 1-60 experience eh?

Or am I misunderstanding?

[Multibocks]

No, there are new zones. Most existing zones are getting a revamp too. I think all this QQ is a little too early. Play it first and decide then. Im positive you will like it, this is Blizzard after all.

edit: seven new zones, WoTLK had what? 7? So it really is like getting a new continent.

[HPAVC]

I like the Deathwing stuff, the world altering stuff, the additional races and putting the Horde(Orc) nation on par with the craziness of the Blood Elves. The huge stat mechanics overhaul has me at odds, the hunter stuff sounds good. The shaman totem changes are sort of scary. But the core stat changes seem goofy, likely its really just presented poorly. I clearly remember before the 5 second rule my priest was unstoppable, I could gheal non-stop (and to be obnoxious I would), though I had a mana pool of something like two gheals in size.

I cannot believed there isn't more of a response here for the rated battlegrounds and pvp guild talent tree. Stuff


Phasing isn't that big of a deal really, one of the issues though is knowing if someone in your group is phased. You see them in the minimap and they are in an alternate reality. That needs to be fixed if they are going make it wide spread. Currently its not that big, just for a few quest chains really. but the 'can someone help me with this quest' and you find out they are phased, that type of thing won't stand.

[heyaz]

I played the old world. Since day 1.

I was a little disappointed when Naxx came out, because we finished that, at lvl 60 and it really didn't change, at all. I understand that most of the community wasn't able to do that, so that's fine.

This expansion in no respect warrants the same excitement we had about BC or WotLK is all I'm saying. Remember when you saw the first BlizzCon photos and leaked info on these xpacs? I was excited, like a little girl on xmas. Now, I am seeing a disappointing add-on to a game and not a true expansion. I hope there is more info to come, because so far I feel underwhelmed.

you haven't played it yet

[Khatovar]

I think it's going to be good, I am glad that they're revamping the old world...it was really rather depressing to go through it as I leveled up and not see a soul. Not to mention incredibly freakin' boring after, what, the 20th time by now? So far the only things I don't like - I can't be an orc paladin, wtf? Come on! Alliance got the cooler race, again. Underwater...really? I am not liking the sound of that at all. Beyond that, I'll reserve any judgement until we get a little more than some sketchy teaser details.

[Souca]

I wanted to hate this xpac, I really did. Then I thought of all the wonder I had the first time I explored Azeroth and I realized that I get to experience that again. I'm excited.

- Souca -

[Lunarsunrise]

i think its going to be good, i am really excited about it.

Watching blizzcon is not good tho ...cos i wanna be there!

[Multibocks]

Underwater will be just like walking on land and underwater mounts will operate just like air mounts. Sounds kind of silly.

[Redbeard]

I think the stat overhaul sounds awesome. Getting back towards what they originally had going on before they had to bastardize all their stats to try and balance the game. Im happy to focus more on straight stats and not have to worry about AP / SP etc.

[jettzypher]

im excited for almost everything ive heard (or read rather). hope they do an open beta for this like they did with wotlk...

[Bigfish]

Now, I am seeing a disappointing add-on to a game and not a true expansion. I hope there is more info to come, because so far I feel underwhelmed.

To be fair, they unveiled what was a lot of modified pre-BC zones because those were probably easier to build and show off than the zones they are building from scratch.

[Mosg2]

I've been on cloud nine as soon as I saw these changes. One of the things I miss most about the old world is how nostalgic it is for me (I've been playing since release day). I like the fact that the world is changing--It shows a progression in the story and that's a wonderful thing :)

Of course, Goblin Shaman is going to be the coolest thing in the world. Period. Ever.

[Mokoi]

you haven't played it yet

Excitement of anticipation is a feeling I have before I experience it firsthand. I'm not saying it IS a bad expansion, im saying it doesn't LOOK exciting.

[heyaz]

This just feels like all those qq posts in the wow general forums, 5 minutes after the trailer is released "this expansion sucks I'm canceling"

just expect different from these forums

"this is bs"

"they should call this expansion Recyclysm"

blah blah blah

[Redbeard]

This is not an opinion, this is my true feelings and as such are not subject to YOUR beliefs, I didn't post my thoughts here to reflect how YOU feel about the game, so please don't assume I did.

I find it (so far) lackluster and I haven't seen anything yet that makes me want to buy it. The changes to the game for BC were monumental and probably not replicable for WoW. The changes in WotLK were also big, and there was a great deal of anticipation when it was announced, I do not see this level of excitement in the forums and within the players I associate with on my servers and in my life.

My feelings. Not yours. you feel free to post what YOU feel, and stop telling me that because my interpretations don't line up with yours that either of us are wrong. This is not Belfast and we are not talking about Jesus.

I think you need to calm down. You're welcome to your opinion.

If you post nonsense people will shout you down. Welcome to the forums.

[Tonuss]

just throwing this out there, they should call this expansion Recyclysm.

this is just BS, MMO-Champ was right like I suspected and unless they offer something unique I don't see how this is going to be a succeswsful expansion for WoW..

/trulydissapointed
Lots of players have been complaining to Blizzard that the old world sits unused and that leveling up alts is boring because the old world is both too familiar and too empty. This looks like an attempt to address that while also solving a few other problems (warlock shards, flying in Azeroth, putting the 'war' back into warcraft, etc).

I have no idea if I'll like it or not, or even if I'll be playing when it ships. It looks interesting and I suspect that it will be popular because it delivers what a lot of people have been asking for. The one thing I'm concerned about is Archeology. Since it looks as if Archaeology will tie into the Path of the Titans progression, that could mean that you pretty much have to get it for all of your characters. That would be the first profession that was practically mandatory for all of your characters. I don't look forward to that, considering that I could have 10-12 (or as many as 20) level 80 characters when the expansion hits.

[Multibocks]

Excitement and anticipation are not linked with touching, experiencing and playing the game. Please do not mistake my disappointment as giving up on it, but I am NOT excited about this expansion to the degree I am for the other 2.

This is not an opinion, this is my true feelings and as such are not subject to YOUR beliefs, I didn't post my thoughts here to reflect how YOU feel about the game, so please don't assume I did.

I find it (so far) lackluster and I haven't seen anything yet that makes me want to buy it. The changes to the game for BC were monumental and probably not replicable for WoW. The changes in WotLK were also big, and there was a great deal of anticipation when it was announced, I do not see this level of excitement in the forums and within the players I associate with on my servers and in my life.

My feelings. Not yours. you feel free to post what YOU feel, and stop telling me that because my interpretations don't line up with yours that either of us are wrong. This is not Belfast and we are not talking about Jesus.

You do know there are 7 new zones and lich king only had 7, so I guess they could lump those 7 new zones in a continent off Azeroth and then you would get excited?

[rahven32]

You know I got to thinking about this. Going back to the old stuff is pretty smart of blizzard. Look at a zone like the barrens. It's a HUGE zone and there's what maybe 10 people in it and 5 of them are me =p. By changing zone's like barrens they are basically cutting the fat so to speak. You don't need that huge zone for 10 people. So cut it in half and make the other half high lvl and now it's not just sitting there anymore.

Not entirely sure how they handle servers but I'm pretty sure BC and Wotlk are on there own servers. So basically they are running all that hardware for zones that really never get used.

[Schwarz]

What about Goblins not having a special engineering race buff. WTF is that gnomes have it and it would just make sense if the goblins had some sort of buff also. I was really hoping that one of the racials for goblins would be throwing a net like the guards in gadgetzen throw.

I think I read in a picture there is a special +15 skinning race buff they get. Talk about lame.

[Multibocks]

Skinning was worgen I thought? They can skin without a knife too!

[Lyonheart]

The phasing issue that concerns me the most is the inability of a high level leader toon to boost low level toons through the old world instances because they are no longer in the same phase.

Aside from that, I'm OK with the reuse of the old world.


They addressed this concern( at the systems panel) and said they will have a way for people to be in the same "phase" even though they might be on different parts of the quest.

[Tonuss]

Goblins get a ton of racials, and the one that guarantees that they get the best prices from vendors regardless of faction is worth more than any buff to engineering skill.

[Bigfish]

My feelings. Not yours. you feel free to post what YOU feel, and stop telling me that because my interpretations don't line up with yours that either of us are wrong.

The nature of any converstaion is to allow multiple individuals to express their view points on any given subject. By making such statements in a forum whose purpose is to encourage discussion, you allow others to make positive or negative statements relating to your original suposition. Given that your original post didn't involve a mere communication of your feelings, but instead made claims to "they should call this expansion Recyclysm" and "I don't see how this is going to be a succeswsful expansion for WoW", you haven't simply invited others to share their feelings on the subject, but have instigated a duo of confrontational claims that engender others to refute them. Chief among those counter-arguments being "You haven't played it yet".

Now, indeed, no one can tell you how you should feel, but in begining a discussion on said feelings, you have opened yourself to comment and speculation that the exposure to the simtuli that evoked those feelings may not have been as up to standard as one would expect of someone to make said original claims.

[pinotnoir]

Flying in the old world will be a pain in the ass with phasing. If it's anything like wotlk it could be a total pain in the ass to fly everywhere. The old world zones are not very big if your flying so I would expect phasing everywhere. It does seem like Recycleclysm. I bet every raid will be recycled again in the old world.

[Coltimar]

Blizz expressly said they aren't going to recycle all of the content. In fact, the said Onyxia was unique. From the trailer it looks like lots of geography is going to change.

[Souca]

Goblins get a ton of racials, and the one that guarantees that they get the best prices from vendors regardless of faction is worth more than any buff to engineering skill.

Goblins have a personal servent that allows them access to their bank as a racial! Also Rocket boots and launchers. They will be just fine.

Besides, when is the last time you made something that took 451 Engineering?

- Souca -

[Souca]

Flying in the old world will be a pain in the ass with phasing. If it's anything like wotlk it could be a total pain in the ass to fly everywhere. The old world zones are not very big if your flying so I would expect phasing everywhere. It does seem like Recycleclysm. I bet every raid will be recycled again in the old world.


I think people are missing how phasing will be used in this expansion. It's not a matter of them adding a new phase over the old zone. The old zone is gone. Phasing will be used for things like Shadow Vault in Icecrown, but instead of a flight point and a vendor, the coastline may change or more of a forrest will be on fire.

I think the reason they even brought it up was that they wanted to impress on people that they will get to watch the world around them be altered in meaningful ways by their actions. It less an issue of the technology they are using to do it and more about the power it provides to immersion and story. I get the feeling that they want the new Azeroth to be going through a cataclysm, not just being visited after one has happened. The entire expansion is from 4.0 till 5.0 is about the world changing around you.

- Souca -

[Mokoi]

nvm this is a useless argument. You're right, I'm wrong.

I'm just not excited about this xpansion. Seems cheap and tossed together from all angles.

[Tonuss]

It does seem like Recycleclysm. I bet every raid will be recycled again in the old world.
In time, that could be what they do. They re-used Naxx for this expansion. If the idea behind the Onyxia and old-world revamps is that they wanted to refresh it and encourage people to enjoy it again, at some point they might refresh Molten Core. The entrance to one of the new raids in Cataclysm will be reached through BWL apparently.

But keep in mind that this expansion has seven new zones along with a re-vamp of the entire old world, which by itself is probably more work than the previous two expansions combined. The zone re-vamps don't just include new terrain, there are new quests and new gear from quests and dungeons. It looks as if there will be more raid zones, and possibly more 5-man dungeons (which is impressive if it happens, considering the level range is cut in half). They're planning sweeping changes for talents and high-end character progression, for PvP progression, and for guild progression.

I wonder if they'll re-vamp old raids with each expansion, though. The one after Cataclysm will probably lead to a level cap of 90 or 95. No one runs Molten Core for progression anymore, I could see it being turned into a 10/25 raid in the future.

[Meathead]

I cant wait for the expansion but yea about the phasing yea its a pain in the butt :P other then that its going to be awsum just hope they get Shamans on the new Ally race that way i can go to Ally on all my toons with my guilds..

[pinotnoir]

Blizz expressly said they aren't going to recycle all of the content. In fact, the said Onyxia was unique. From the trailer it looks like lots of geography is going to change.

I just read they are bringing back nef and rag so thats two raids final bosses they are recycling. Add onyxia and the only one left is Cthun. I am sure they will recycle that too. Whats next? All the world bosses going to be lvl 87 now in the old world? This game is going on 6 years I think. Pretty soon they will have to stick a fork in it and call it done.

[voodoogriff]

They reused Naxx because the initial requirements to enter it in Vanilla, and the level of difficulty it was tuned to, severely hampered the amount of people that actually saw the instance.

As for reusing Nef and Rags, I seriously doubt it's going to be a copy/paste of their previous selves. I would imagine that they're going to use some of the old abilities just as a tip of the hat to Vanilla-raiders, but they'll likely be completely new encounters. And reusing a single boss is far different from reusing an entire instance (no one complained when they reused Anub'arak from Azjol-Nerub in Trial of Champions).

[Souca]

I just read they are bringing back nef and rag so thats two raids final bosses they are recycling. Add onyxia and the only one left is Cthun. I am sure they will recycle that too. Whats next? All the world bosses going to be lvl 87 now in the old world? This game is going on 6 years I think. Pretty soon they will have to stick a fork in it and call it done.

They are reusing Nef and Rag like they reused Kael. Completely new instance, new abilities and likely new models. Rag is in Hyjal and I don't know about Nef. It's not reuse like Naxx was. It's new instances that happen to have new incarnations of an extremely powerful boss that played a role in the game before. Hell, they are also reusing Arthas since he's just a dude from WC3.

Not attacking you, just correcting some assumptions.

- Souca -

[Souca]

nvm this is a useless argument. You're right, I'm wrong.

I'm just not excited about this xpansion. Seems cheap and tossed together from all angles.

It is a useless argument. Just because you state something is your opinion doesn't mean people can't challenge your stated basis for it.

I contend that your belief that it is is cheap and tossed together because of the things I've seen. You're welcome to that opinion and I don't have any right to force you to change it, but I can share my opinion that you've not seen enough of the expansion to be able to make an informed decision.

Forums are for discussion and discussion can have multiple sides. I haven't seen anyone attack you, but I am sorry that you feel attacked.

- Souca -

[Fizzler]

From what I understand Rag will be at full power with several new abilities. Both Rag and Nef will be in new instances. I am pretty exciting about the changes I am glad they did not just add a new continent I missed having a reason to go back to the old world and BC.

I believe there are 7 new zones which is what Wrath had. I am pretty happy with the changes it is nearly exactly what I was hoping to hear myself. The only thing that could have been an OMG for me is player housing.

[pinotnoir]

I never liked them reusing any of the bosses from prior instances/raids. I think its a cheap cop out on the designers. How many times must we kill the same guys over and over. They can say he is full power now or whatever. That doesn't change the fact we have been killing them for years. They need to create new bosses and quit reusing old ones. I like dragonbal z but this game is starting to feel like DBZ. Just like DBZ too many bosses coming back from the dead.

I am sure the new expansion will be cool but reusing boss after boss turns me off.

[Fizzler]

I can see your point. They are adding 3 old bosses I think and adding in a dozen more I am sure. To me the boss is just part of it I wonder what other element they will add into the fight. I know for the the Lich King they said that part of the floor will break away which sounds interesting. Some sort of Zeppelin to Flying Ship engagement from what I understand as well.

[Boogey]

So hi everyone
I've seen that a lot of you complain about phasing.

Cause im from Switzerland I'm not that good in english, and the translationprograms didn't helped mee a lot.
It would be nice if someone could explain me that whole thing about this phasing??

[EaTCarbS]

<--- cant wait for cataclysm

[Fizzler]

So hi everyone
I've seen that a lot of you complain about phasing.

Cause im from Switzerland I'm not that good in english, and the translationprograms didn't helped mee a lot.
It would be nice if someone could explain me that whole thing about this phasing??

This would explain phasing best. http://www.wowwiki.com/Phasing

Why Multiboxers do not like it is that when you phase your clones break follow. I love phasing as a player but hate it as a multiboxer. Really though it is a fairly minor inconvenience at least I think it is.

[Khatovar]

...How many times must we kill the same guys over and over....

Once a week every week for months judging by how long it took to get my Stormrage Legs. :p

Personally, I don't really see the problem with reusing certain bosses, I rather enjoy it. These are bosses. The meanest of the mean, the oldest of evils. I LIKE the fact that they can't be put down like sick kittens in a burlap sack. For all intents and purposes, we've been completely ignoring our "homes" for the past 2 expansions. It's not terribly surprising that some of our old enemies might have been taking advantage of our absence.

That and Ony is tired of getting punked by level 80s who just want some pocket change. :D

[Souca]

That and Ony is tired of getting punked by level 80s who just want some pocket change. :D

I did it for the bags. I wanted to have my entire bank be Ony bags. I should finish that up some time.

Oh, and the head too.

- Souca -

[Fizzler]

I did it for the bags. I wanted to have my entire bank be Ony bags. I should finish that up some time.

Oh, and the head too.

- Souca -

I loved placing Ony's head. I wonder if progression guilds still grab the head for the buff.

[Multibocks]

Buff disappears when you enter an instance I believe. Cant say for sure, maybe just raid instances.

edit: now that I think about it, maybe it doesnt.

just checked wowhead and it doesnt work on targets over 63. =/

[Fizzler]

Buff disappears when you enter an instance I believe. Cant say for sure, maybe just raid instances.

Now that you say that I remember hearing something about that.

[Svpernova09]

Lets all remember.... this is just announced. This is all subject to change. Lets not worry too much. People are hesitant to change, and thats ok.


I was disappointed at first, but once I saw all the panels, I'm pretty excited about the changes.

[Catamer]

I don't know, I would rather have recycled old world stuff than more ToC mounts/vehicles, at least with the old world stuff I won't have my cast bars taken over and replaced with some stupid crap.

[zanthor]

I don't know, I would rather have recycled old world stuff than more ToC mounts/vehicles, at least with the old world stuff I won't have my cast bars taken over and replaced with some stupid crap.

LMAO yea... cuz blizzard can't possibly put vehicles in the old world when they are totally revamping the game... not possible.

[Starbuck_Jones]

Ive been wanting the old world revamped for a long while. It feels very Final Fantasy like to me where they usually nuke the world half way through. The possible 'mentoring down' will be very nice. I am not a fan of the dumbing down of items/stats. Soon everything will just have a single number. "LOOK AT MY STAFF! ITS A 12 LOL!!!11!!!" Block/DEF/MP5 and Spell power were the stats my entire group revolved around. Now i'm just going to stack str/int and if the items don't have it, I can just tinker the stat on.

Path of the Titans looks to be the beginnings of alternate advancement, I think this is a good thing, im tired of just getting gold from quests once I hit 80. The icecrown 5man sounds very cool and I look forward to that.

Flying level 85's in noob zones though will prolly make me transfer off my pvp server. Its bad enough getting steamrolled by 80's farming mats.

Deathwing is going to be very cool, you can count on that it will have mounted combat. I would recommend you read the books if you haven't yet.

[Owltoid]

If there is actual world PvP then I may transfer to a PvP server. I've been on a PvE server since TBC (was on a PvP server in vanilla) because my friends got tired of being ganked. I loved always having that nervous feeling, though. The battles at Southshore were some of the most fun times I had.

[Svpernova09]

This always cracks me up. Azeroth is HUGE. Go quest somewhere else.


lol



I'm considering moving an alt to a PvP server to see how things are. I've always been a hardcore carebear, but lately I've been wishing I could reach out and demolish people as they run by, maybe it's just people on my server.

[Multibocks]

This always cracks me up. Azeroth is HUGE. Go quest somewhere else.


Not possible anymore. With changes to pvp servers you can now track your grief targets and do it legally (well until you do it for a week straight and the GM gives you a small vacation.)

[Owltoid]

This always cracks me up. Azeroth is HUGE. Go quest somewhere else.

Outlands was not that large and starting areas were limited. Regardless, they didn't like dealing with gankers when they were trying to quest. It's not like my friends are unique in their distaste for world PvP... it's shocking to note there are entire servers of people who feel the same way. However, I enjoy world PvP and may have to make a choice whether to stay carebear and remain with friends, or get more excitement and transfer.

[Multibocks]

Ive been wanting the old world revamped for a long while. It feels very Final Fantasy like to me where they usually nuke the world half way through. The possible 'mentoring down' will be very nice. I am not a fan of the dumbing down of items/stats. Soon everything will just have a single number. "LOOK AT MY STAFF! ITS A 12 LOL!!!11!!!" Block/DEF/MP5 and Spell power were the stats my entire group revolved around. Now i'm just going to stack str/int and if the items don't have it, I can just tinker the stat on.

Path of the Titans looks to be the beginnings of alternate advancement, I think this is a good thing, im tired of just getting gold from quests once I hit 80. The icecrown 5man sounds very cool and I look forward to that.

Flying level 85's in noob zones though will prolly make me transfer off my pvp server. Its bad enough getting steamrolled by 80's farming mats.

Deathwing is going to be very cool, you can count on that it will have mounted combat. I would recommend you read the books if you haven't yet.

Look there will still be some very hard decisions. Do I reforge this item with X str and Y sta or maybe I should go with more str and less sta (x+z str and y-z sta). Trust me there will be min/maxing still, it will just be a little bit easier. I'm sure people will test setups and come out with a combination of stats that will increase your ability to win a certain encounter. Like Boss A needs less sta and more dps and Boss B needs more mitigation and health stats, etc.

[d0z3rr]

Every patch/expansion that comes out, all I ever hear about is anti-multiboxing FUD.

i.e. "Blizz is changing X, all mulitboxers will be screwed!!" "This new thing is coming, and no one will be able to multibox!" Yada yada yada.

[Owltoid]

I was camped by a Rogue PvP Bot back in vanilla wow for over 8 hours one day. I read a book while the bot camped me - I reported him several times, the GMs did nothing... "world pvp" was the only answer I got.

I'd rez up like every 30 minutes or so to see if the rogue was still around - sure enough I'd get ganked every time. lol

I didn't know bots ganked... I've never heard of that before. I also don't know why someone would risk getting banned for a couple extra HKs.

[Starbuck_Jones]

Some world pvp is fun. Outlands ganking makes me want to quit.

Stat stacking was an issue in the past if I recall, thus all the secondary stats were put in to give people pause for thought other than stamping as much STA and INT as they could with no regards to anything else.

Regardless, it looks to be a fun expansion.

[Redbeard]

Its annoying when you're in a non pvp mood.. but im fine with it (getting ganked on a pvp server). Im stoked about the titan path thing, lets hope they make it a meaningful upgrade path and lets hope archeology isnt annoying haha.

[Ridere]

It looks interesting. I feel pretty neutral about it. I agree that the cap probably should have remained at 80, but 85 is better than 90. Helps keeps some content current. If they get following through phasing fixed, then I think this expansion will be a lot better. Looks like they plan on doing that.

Truth be told, however, I think I'll have moved onto FFXIV by the time this expansion rolls out. I'll probably keep one account active to keep in contact with my guild, but I'm way more excited about FFXIV than the WoW expansion.

[Multibocks]

I enjoy random battle mode too.











Ok not really =P

[Tonuss]

This always cracks me up. Azeroth is HUGE. Go quest somewhere else.
It probably depends on the server to some degree. World PvP on Bonechewer was either kept to very limited areas or just plain dead. I tended to stay away from the really bad areas (STV, Hillsbrad, etc) and generally didn't make any effort at seeming upset nor interested when someone ganked me. So players who ganked me typically just moved on. I never got camped during my time on a PvP server (two characters to 70/71 and one to 62 before I moved to a PvE server). I never cared for PvP but I learned to live with ganking and not let it bug me.

The thing that always DID bug me was people who whined about it, even though they decided on a PvP server. The reason I rolled characters on Bonechewer was because my friends (avid PvPers) wanted to play there. I decided not to complain about ganking because I felt that it was my choice to join them, and no one likes that person who joins on a PvP server then constantly complains "GREAT I GOT GANKED AGAIN" in order to punish everyone else for choosing a PvP realm. We had one friend like that and it drove us crazy.

So imagine how annoyed it felt when the people who WANTED to roll on a PvP server turned out to be the loudest whiners? The same people who always talked a good game "YEAH WE GONNA GANK AND GRIEF LOLz" were the ones who would constantly bitch and moan. "OH THAT FUCKER GANKED ME AT LOW HEALTH" "GREAT NOW HE'S GOT A MAGE WITH HIM" "HOLY FUCKING DOG THEY WON'T GO AWAY" "DAMMIT I'M LOGGING WHERE'S MY RAZOR." And so on and so on. I mean really, this is what you signed up for! Shut up!!!

Anyway, I'm on a PvE server now and no longer worry about being ganked. The worst I ever see from players is they try standing on the bobber when I'm fishing or mounting up in front of an NPC. I barely even notice them. Oh, what's that? I'm not flagged? LOL guess you can't get your jollies! Keep trying though, it's cute!