Introducing Plexer for Mac

[owensd]

As I've mentioned before in a few posts, I've been working on a key broadcasting app called Plexer. Well, I've decided to release version 1.0 of it and I thought people here might like to give it a try.

Check it out if you're interested: http://www.kiadsoftware.com/products/plexer/.

-David

[Barelan]

As I've mentioned before in a few posts, I've been working on a key broadcasting app called Plexer. Well, I've decided to release version 1.0 of it and I thought people here might like to give it a try.

Check it out if you're interested: http://www.kiadsoftware.com/products/plexer/.

-David

congratulations!

Sounds great, but can you post a few screenshots / videos?

Other than that - anything that gets more boxers on line is a great thing.

Phil

[dozigden]

Hello,

I've been giving the demo a quick go this morning. On the whole seems pretty good, UI is slick and looking forward to something that remembers my wow sessions unlike clonekeys.

I have had some trouble with sometimes not broadcasting to a particular client, actually broadcasting to the wrong client that was not on the applications list. I can't seem to reliably recreate it, but quitting everything and starting again seems to resolve it.

Purchased version still seems to say 'demo' though?

I know you've mentioned network support before - does it look hopeful? I'd happily pay more for it!

Great work!

Doz

[zanthor]

Woot!

I don't even own a mac but I'm glad to see this.

[Svpernova09]

Woot!

I don't even own a mac but I'm glad to see this.


Me too, I sent the link to a couple of mac boxers on my server.

[owensd]

Hello,

I've been giving the demo a quick go this morning. On the whole seems pretty good, UI is slick and looking forward to something that remembers my wow sessions unlike clonekeys.

I have had some trouble with sometimes not broadcasting to a particular client, actually broadcasting to the wrong client that was not on the applications list. I can't seem to reliably recreate it, but quitting everything and starting again seems to resolve it.

Purchased version still seems to say 'demo' though?

I know you've mentioned network support before - does it look hopeful? I'd happily pay more for it!

Great work!

Doz

Hmm.. if you send me a PM or email with your serial number I'll see if there is some bug. If you shut down Plexer after entering the registration key, does 'Demo' go away? If so, I probably have a bug in there to remove the 'Demo' badge after a serial key is entered during the session. I'll add that to the bugs.

I haven't seen the broadcast to the wrong client... do you mean the wrong instance of WoW? Or to some other random program that's not on the app list?

I've thought about network support but was unsure of what the desire would be for it. I think there are some other features that people might want before hand. I was going to gauge interest in the app first before making any decisions though.

I'll try to get some videos up in the next couple of days. Nothing really different from other multi-boxing systems though.

[dozigden]

I've emailed my details and a screen shot.

I run 3 clients, at first one of them was not receiving broadcasts at all so I removed them all and re-added, but it still would not. I tried adding only 2 wondering if it was a performance thing or number of clients, and the 3rd continued to receive the key presses. Quitting everything and starting again and I've not been able to recreate it though.

I'm seeing a few bugs I can recreate though - what's the best way to let you know?

Really great to see a Mac app under active development again.

Doz

[owensd]

Two ways to report bugs:

1. http://bitbucket.org/owensd/plexer/issues/. I'd prefer the bugs be kept there so everyone can see them and know when I've fixed them.
2. plexer@kiadsoftware.com. Send an email there and I'll get it. Just a little more work for me as I'll probably create the bug ticket then as well.

Either works. You can post here, but I might not see it as quickly as the methods above.

EDIT:
I've added the registration key issue to the list of bugs here: http://bitbucket.org/owensd/plexer/issues/. I'm guessing that I did something stupid in the key validation because I haven't run into that issue when doing my testing.

[owensd]

Good news is that I've fixed the bugs that people have reported. Keep them coming! :)

[griffin01]

I just had a question.

I know I can use the trial here, however I figured I would ask here before hand.

One of the issues I had with Clonkey was that the buttons I press would be delayed from time to time, and sometimes not at all. This was not necessarily more so due to the amount of instances running on my computer. I was just wondering if Plexer has the same issue? or are key broadcasts between wow instances instant?

I had too many frustrations having to hit the same button twice to ensure that it hit on all my characters.

[owensd]

I've seen the issue a few times but no where near as much as CloneKeys. The only time I've really come across it is when I've tried to run more instances of WoW than my computer can really handle well.

[dozigden]

I just had a question.

I know I can use the trial here, however I figured I would ask here before hand.

One of the issues I had with Clonkey was that the buttons I press would be delayed from time to time, and sometimes not at all. This was not necessarily more so due to the amount of instances running on my computer. I was just wondering if Plexer has the same issue? or are key broadcasts between wow instances instant?

I had too many frustrations having to hit the same button twice to ensure that it hit on all my characters.

I know exactly what you mean regarding Clonekeys and am very happy to say I've had no problems like this with Plexer (although its possible to get around with clonekeys too).

Off the top of my head the differences are:

Actual broadcasting is more reliable / faster.
It remembers which WoWs to broadcast to by their location on disk - rather than auto adding, so up and running faster each session
Only broadcasts when a broadcast target window has focus so no toggling when you switch to a browser.
It can autohide the dock and restore it when quitting
And of course the key black listing (although still not using this myself)

[Fef]

Hey, great news.I really would like to not have to switch to Windows for multi-boxing. I will give Plexer a try this week-end.

[griffin01]

I know exactly what you mean regarding Clonekeys and am very happy to say I've had no problems like this with Plexer (although its possible to get around with clonekeys too).

Off the top of my head the differences are:

Actual broadcasting is more reliable / faster.
It remembers which WoWs to broadcast to by their location on disk - rather than auto adding, so up and running faster each session
Only broadcasts when a broadcast target window has focus so no toggling when you switch to a browser.
It can autohide the dock and restore it when quitting
And of course the key black listing (although still not using this myself)

Great news!

I might fire up my hunters again in that case :)

thanks for the information

[JU1CYFRU1T]

How the F@#* did I miss this post for an ENTIRE week?!!! *clicking link in 5...4...3...2...

*EDIT*
UI looks clean, I will have to DL/play with the trial before making a decision.

Since you don't state otherwise, I am going to assum that your pricing is in-line with Keyclone... a one-time-fee, instead of a yearly purchase? This (IMO) is preferable...

I am SOOOO excited!!! I get to go back to my beloved OS X, and add to that the fact that Razer has written Mac drivers for the Naga (http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-mice/razer-naga) ... and I am in HEAVEN!!!!!! Seriously... IN HEAVEN!!!!!

[owensd]

Yes, software is a one time fee. I despise most types of recurring payment plans (software as services... ok, but the rest, NO!).

It will also include any bug fixes and minor updates made. If there is enough interest for signifcantly new features, then depending on the work involved there may be an updgrade price.

[mpfiv]

I was wondering if you are planning to add network support at any point, something so that you could broadcast to say multiple computers? I can easily run three copies of wow, but four is pushing it. If i had the ability to broadcast over the network... You would sell me on the idea.

And thank you for replacing clonekeys... Driving me insane enough to look for a replacement of it. And i finally found one!

[owensd]

I haven't decided on the network support yet. A few people have mentioned it, but still up in the air.

[Ohitekah]

very nice indeed, now if it only could have a 'white list' then i would be in heaven and buy it. O.

[owensd]

Give version 1.0.2 a try Ohitekah. ;)

[mpfiv]

one thing that you removed from your release, on your site the screen shot shows that you have the ability to switch directly between the apps you are using. Will you be re adding this functionality at some point?

[owensd]

Yeah, I think I'll be adding that feature back in. Not sure how many people really wanted it though.

Also, some people have had problems getting the keys to even broadcast, please make sure you have 'Enable access for assistive devices' enabled in System Preferences -> Universal Access. There's a check that this is enabled in the latest version (1.0.2).

[mpfiv]

i was asking, because i personally wanted that functionality, it is useful to be able to alt tab to it, but personally if you are able to directly switch via plexer using apple and numbers it would greatly increase functionality, or even if you had the option to use normal keyboard keys, because i have it bound so that at any given time if i switch to another toon which is not my main, i can have all follow and use as focus, so if my main dies and i would prefer to keep the others alive for the time being. It would be nice to have keys that allow me to switch my copy of wow on demand. So that I am not trying to apple tab to the next program, or say mouse to it.

[pewshamanper]

hopefully this app will be developed for a while so it will be sticky'd this is a good app!!

Btw how long can you "promise" this will be developed and patched so If i pay $25 It wont be broken next mac osx update and never fixed:confused:

[Feider]

I'm about to try it. Thank you.

*Edit One hiccup so far what OS does it require I got denied running 10.4.11 Do I need 10.5?

[owensd]

If I stop working on it, I'll be sure to make the source code available so people won't have to worry about future updates as someone else can pick it up if they'd like.

@Feider, it requires 10.5.

[Feider]

... it requires 10.5.

Thank you for the reply. Just checking, 10.6 is ok, right?

Anyway while I wait to upgrade, how is everyone liking it?

[owensd]

Yes, it works on 10.6 as well.

[Feider]

I'm still running 10.4 so no Plexer for me yet ... I'm very optimistic and can't wait to try it out.

How is the project going? What do the Mac boxers think?

[antishadow]

Is there an indicator anywhere that its in broadcasting mode or not? I don't see one and always found it nice to have as I tend to multitask a lot while playing.

[owensd]

Yes, if you enable the status bar icon. When the icon is black it's not broadcasting, when it's blue it is.

[antishadow]

Rocking thanks! I didn't notice that.

[owensd]

No problem. :)

Also, if someone here logged the bug about the space bar not working in their whitelist, could you please shoot me an email. The space bar is working for me so I want to try and see where the problem lies.

[TheBigBB]

I haven't used this yet, but I will when I come back to the game soon. I am very hopeful that I can finally run 5 windows on my Mac without the commands lagging on the 5th window. My computer is a beast and can run them all easily. I hope you can continue to work on this. I would honestly donate if it can eliminate that lag!!

[Gilles]

Hi David, thanks for making this application! I gave it a test run last night and it looks very promising.

Right now 'maximizer' is the only thing that is keeping me boxing in a windows enviroment. Would it be possible for you to make a maximizer feature for Plexer too?

Cheers!

[owensd]

I might look into that, I did briefly before but I was running into problems setting arbitrary resolutions.

[Holmeser]

How long does it take for me to receive the Serial Number after purchasing it?

[owensd]

You get an email immediately after purchasing it.

[Holmeser]

well i purchased it 20 mins ago, no email.
Could you check if its come through for me?
Thanks
-H

[owensd]

I don't think you went through the paypal process correctly. There's not transaction history on my paypal or my e-junkie accounts.

[Holmeser]

okay, i'll try again thanks
:)

[owensd]

Check your PM. :)

[TheBigBB]

I have tried this program now, and it's a total dream come true compared to Clonekeys. I bought it without hesitation. I hope very much that you will continue to support it and that Mac users become aware of it. My Mac Pro is an absolute beast, and it was so depressing in the past having it be less ideal for boxing just because of software. No offense to the Clonekeys authors is meant.

[owensd]

Glad you like it! Let me know if you run into any issues running lots of WoW instances on your Mac Pro... I only have a MacBook Pro (1st gen) and a MacBook to test it out on.

[Gadzooks]

I'll be trying this on a 24" iMac tonight, I'll let you know how it goes.

[antishadow]

It would be awesome if you could add in click regions or whatever. Click somewhere and have it hit a key on one of the clones. Would be nice to do that for the healing that some of the windows apps have. So far loving it though. And its yet to get delayed like clonekeys did if you spam the keyboard.

[Gadzooks]

I paid for a copy tonight, this app solved my huge lag issues. Thank you! ClonedKeys, in the trash!

[owensd]

@antishadow - I don't currently have any plans to add mouse click regions. If interest is high enough, I may take a gander at it.

[TheBigBB]

I have now played extensively with Plexer and found that it does once and for all solve the problems with boxing on a Mac. I played against bosses where I SPAMMED the hell out of my keys to ensure that all my toons kept casting, and then any time I needed to move or jump or anything, it did just that. It kept up with my key presses. Like most broadcasting, when you spam too much some presses get lost here and there for whatever reason, but it doesn't LAG. If a key press is lost it's not because the program couldn't do it. I know that Plexer doesn't have all the features of other programs, but it's so simple to use that I almost prefer it. I do use Keyclone on my PC when I 10 box and need 2 computers but I have fewer issues with Plexer right now.

[Feider]

Bless you Owensd!

I finally got 10.6 on my machine and grabbed Plexer (paid). It is Fantastic. I've gotten so used to playing with keystroke lag that I need to now learn to play with you it.

I have had one issue. Sometimes it does not broadcast to all WoWs when I get started. (it does not cut out while playing) I need to then remove the WoWs and re-add them. This clears it up but it's a little annoying.

THANK YOU and keep up the great work.

[MageMe]

Is there a difference between the trial and paid versions? I certainly will buy this regardless. Clonekeys, while it did serve me ok, has too many problems with missed keystrokes. I am looking forward to this very much

[owensd]

The trial version expires after 15 days, the full version doesn't. ;) That's about it.

[MageMe]

The trial version expires after 15 days, the full version doesn't. ;) That's about it.


Thanks :) adding enough letters...

[Paus]

Hello everyone :)

I'm totally new to Multi-boxing. Just today I've collected my 3 accounts, and am planning on lvling to DK's in multibox mode, so that they can later join my existing 80 DK main.

I've read a lot of beginners stuff on this site, but sadly most of the wiki links doesn't seem to work for me. That is why I am resorting to this topic, since I am working on a Mac Pro (quad core, GTX285).

So! I have installed Plexer and updated it. I have also turned on this:

http://img.skitch.com/20091101-rgywwwnbt8t2tnihmf5qtswwkp.jpg

So far so good I guess :)

After that, I started to link 2 different configurations to my WoW 1 and WoW 2.

http://img.skitch.com/20091101-kg5bamjirsn398x435a8j2pqci.jpg

I also did the same with WoW 2:

http://img.skitch.com/20091101-jstk2m3hj1u3m9yg78jmjur4mg.jpg

I guess thats all good.

But now my trouble begins to start. I guess that's because of my lack of understanding this program (no offence intended to the creator, who obviously did a great job, the problem lies with my inability to understand things like this :) )

I cannot understand how the "Whitelist" and "Blacklist" seems to work. I could not find a guide or text about this on the forum, so ill ask it here :).
What I think the White and Blacklist seem to do is: The blacklist makes sure which keys the program needs to ignore for the rest of the slaves. These are only inteded for the master (like typing in guild chat).

And I think with the whitelist you can set keys to WoW that covers the slave's and the master.

Again, I am not sure about this, this is me speculating.

Ofcourse I have tried to test this out with my 2 accounts running, but it does not seem to work. I made sure when doing this to turn Broadcasting on.

--

Well, im pretty sure I am thinking the wrong way about this whole program. So my question basicly is, how does this program work? And mainly about how to connect the different wow accounts together so that they, my slaves, for example, strafe left while I am pushing that keybiding or macro on my Master.

Also I would like to see some examples you guys used in your Whitelist or Blacklist, I think that could get me started greatly.

I think if I get that to work, that ill be able to figure out the rest by just reading a lot of posts here with great addons and macro's and the like

I hope I've been clear in my question and did not ask the "noob" question.

Really would like to get this to work before the trial ends :o

Thanks in advance!

- Paus



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EDIT:

I've played some more with the Whitelist and Blacklist, and it seems that when I select and add keystrokes to a whitelist, it will also be automaticly on the Blacklist. Also, when I create a key on a blacklist, go to whitelist, and remove it from there, it will also be removed from the blacklist.
If my above reasoning was correct, then a "bug" like this might make it logical that I cant broadcast between WoW chars. Because if something is on the white and blacklist, it would just let it do nothing I asume.

[owensd]

A configuration is for a group of applications. So you need to add all three instances of WoW that you want to play in the Applications list (i.e. WoW 1, WoW 2, and WoW 3).

Keys will be broadcast to ONLY the applications in the list. Basically, you are using the configurations incorrectly. It's more for the setup of you have a two-team group that you want to use, so you make "My Two's Group". And then you have a five-team group and you make a config "My Five's Group".

Whitelist sends ONLY those keys to the other instances of the application.
Blackist sends all keys EXCEPT the keys listed to the other apps.

Note that 'k' and 'K' ARE different keys.

[Holmeser]

Hi, im running on a MacBook Pro and as a mac user yourself you'll know that all the F keys are used, so my question is, can i set the toggle broadcasting key to a different key other that the F keys?
Thanks
-H

[owensd]

Hi, im running on a MacBook Pro and as a mac user yourself you'll know that all the F keys are used, so my question is, can i set the toggle broadcasting key to a different key other that the F keys?
Thanks
-H

There's no supported way in the UI to do this, though you can try to manually set the com.kiadsoftware.plexer.ToggleBroadcastingKeyCode defaults setting to the keycode of your choice.

[Albatross]

Will plexer support clickthroughs? I dualbox in windows using Octopus, and a huge feature is being able to assign (for instance) shift click to go through to the background copy of WoW.

[owensd]

I don't have any plans currently to implement that feature.

[lacitpo]

Just got back into Mboxing on my mac and was happy to find Plexer. Please enjoy my $25.

A few comments and feature requests. (sorry if these have been discussed previously)



Ability to add escape key to whitelist/blacklist keys
Growl notifications when broadcasting is enabled and disabled.
Button that would launch all programs currently under the plexer profile selected.

A much more beefy request is something that handled window resizing and layout. I'm not sure if the toold exist in the mac dev environment but this is one feature I'm wishing I had available in to me under mac tools.

Thanks for making this. It works great and I really hope you continue to develop it.

[TheBigBB]

I've come across some issues with the program, although it's still amazing and these issues are easy to work with.

I consistently see, after a long period of use, Plexer start sending some windows duplicate keystrokes. So I type in for everyone to do "/use hearthstone", and one of them will do "///uuussseee hhheeeaaarrrttthhhssstttooonnnee" instead. I close the program and reopen it. I'm just concerned that this will look like something illegal if someone from Blizzard ever saw it, besides the minor annoyance of restarting the program. It's not that big of a deal for actual playing at least.

[owensd]

@lacitpo

I'll look into adding #1 and #2. #3 might take more work than I want to put into it right now... the problem there is I'd want to have it position the windows correctly too and I'm not sure I want to invest the UI time for that at the moment.

@theBigBB... that's really strange. If you toggle plexing on/off does that fix the issue? Do you toggle plexing on/off frequently? I'm just trying to think what could go wrong in the code for that situation to occur... I'll play around with it and see if I can't come up with a way to prevent that from happening. Can't say I've seen it myself though.

Thanks everyone!

[yaki]

I consistently see, after a long period of use, Plexer start sending some windows duplicate keystrokes. So I type in for everyone to do "/use hearthstone", and one of them will do "///uuussseee hhheeeaaarrrttthhhssstttooonnnee" instead.

Sounds like it caught the zombie plague from the Wrath launch.

Bbbrrraaaiiinnnsss...

[dozigden]

I've seen the multiple keypresses thing too - however it only seems to happen with me after client crashes and fairly rarely at that.

[lacitpo]

RE: Crash Problem

I experienced something that might be related. I had one of my wow clients crash, and then try to crash again last night after playing for a while. Restarting plexer fixed this problem. If I can find a way to reliably reproduce this problem i'll report back

RE: escape key

It's addable, but you have to move your focus to the game window. If you have plexer selected and you try to add space bar, or escape to whitelist or blacklist, it cancels the key add dialogue. This is a bit confusing and maybe could be fixed by requiring that the 'done' button be clicked rather than allowing key presses to end the key adding dialogue box.

[owensd]

OK... Plexer might be getting duplicate windows in the app list when you restart WoW after the crash. I might be able to fix that fairly easily.

Yeah, as soon as you told me the escape key doesn't work I knew what the problem was. I'll try and push a fix our this weekend.

[owensd]

Version 1.0.4 is out! :)

Fixed the issue with the escape key.
Fixed the issue with the space key (just a rendering problem, the key should have been there).
Potential fix for the crash issue.

[lacitpo]

Love the active development. Thanks for the update and bug fixes.

[owensd]

I'm looking at making a bigger version update. This is what I have for items that people want:

- Networking
- Start up applications, size, and position windows
- Growl support
- More customization for keys instead of just the drop-down

I'll be taking new feature requests under consideration. So if you have any, let me know. :)

[Jayne]

Just want to pitch in and say that Plexer is awesome! Could finally move to my Mac for boxing! Looking forward for the "start up applications, size and position" part though - it's the only thing I've been missing so far.

Cheers!

[Gadzooks]

I've had the multiple keystrokes pop up too - a restart will clear it up.

I've been using it a while, it crashed once, but ever since, it's been rock solid.

The two features I want, would be PiP like Keyclone, and mouse targeting, so I can use AOE on my slaves.

Other than that, it's perfect.

[rfuilrez]

Has anyone tried Plexer with more than 2 instances of WoW?

Currently I am trying to run 4 instances with not much luck. Basically from what I have seen, windows 1 and 2 on the list ALWAYS get the keys passed to them. And 3 and 4 only work if they're the currently active window.

I have 2 Folders. First one for the master, and second one with 3 duplicates of WoW for the slaves.

I don't think it's the method of using the "Enable Assistance Devices" or whatever because CloneKeys passes to all 4 clients just fine. And I don't think it's my computer. It's plenty fine running 4 instances.

Any one else experiencing this?

[owensd]

Has anyone tried Plexer with more than 2 instances of WoW?

Currently I am trying to run 4 instances with not much luck. Basically from what I have seen, windows 1 and 2 on the list ALWAYS get the keys passed to them. And 3 and 4 only work if they're the currently active window.

I have 2 Folders. First one for the master, and second one with 3 duplicates of WoW for the slaves.

I don't think it's the method of using the "Enable Assistance Devices" or whatever because CloneKeys passes to all 4 clients just fine. And I don't think it's my computer. It's plenty fine running 4 instances.

Any one else experiencing this?

People have done it with five instances. Are you on the trial? If so, the trial is limited to only allowing two instances of WoW.

[rfuilrez]

Is there a difference between the trial and paid versions? I certainly will buy this regardless. Clonekeys, while it did serve me ok, has too many problems with missed keystrokes. I am looking forward to this very much


The trial version expires after 15 days, the full version doesn't. ;) That's about it.

Makes sense. Though from reading that reply in the thread I figured it wasn't the reason.

Don't know if I will purchase it. To be honest, the translucent black UI is a big turn off for me. And the always on top also. Is there any plans on making a standard UI for it, instead of the current one? Might have to play around with it just Dual Boxing to see how I like.

Thanks for Bringing some love to the Mac side of Boxing though. Needs it. Like one of the previous posters mentioned, would love to see a Mac maximizer.

Keep up the work!!

[owensd]

Makes sense. Though from reading that reply in the thread I figured it wasn't the reason.

Don't know if I will purchase it. To be honest, the translucent black UI is a big turn off for me. And the always on top also. Is there any plans on making a standard UI for it, instead of the current one? Might have to play around with it just Dual Boxing to see how I like.

Thanks for Bringing some love to the Mac side of Boxing though. Needs it. Like one of the previous posters mentioned, would love to see a Mac maximizer.

Keep up the work!!

To each his own. :) The black UI is somewhat standard, but I get what you're saying.

You can close the window and Plexer will still be in the background for your needs, but I can look into making the 'always on top' an option instead of forcing it.

I do have some plans on redoing some of the UI in a future version, though I don't really know the timeline when that will be done (definitely won't be in the short term).

Are there other reasons why you don't think you'll purchase it? I guess I should up the limit to three instead of two clients. I do know that I need to work on the website for it and get some getting started guides up there.

Thanks for the input,
David

[mooglej]

Features: WTB maximizer, click broadcasting! Kthxbye <3

[lacitpo]

1) Networking
2) Start up applications, size, and position windows
3) Growl support
4) More customization for keys instead of just the drop-down


Comments on planned features
1) Interested.

I'll soon be sharing 5 instances between an imac and my macbook pro and an all in one solution would be ideal.

2) Very interested.

Window Sizing and positioning and hopefully quick swapping would be my #1 request. I'd pay another $25 for it. Start up is a convenience and would be a nice addition. Any possibility to input password for you?

3) Would be Nice

Just another flourish that would help polish the software.

4) Clarify please

Are you talking about the ability to configure Plexer so that when I press '1' on my main client, it passes 'CTRL+1' on my secondary client and 'CTRL+SHIFT+1' on my 3rd client......

This is a feature I haven't used in multiboxing before because it hasn't been easily available to me. I think it would open up some options to mac boxers that weren't previously available.

New Feature Requests

A: Confirmation dialog when deleting a boxing profile. Possibly a check box in the dialog to allow people to bypass having to confirm.
B: Indicator in the Menu Bar icon whether or not plexer is active or not. Currently icon doesn't change when you activate/deactivate



Thanks again for creating this for the community. I'll be sure to plug it often in my mboxing blog.

[owensd]

For #4 I meant that you could add other keys besides F1-F19 to quit Plexer, for example. I don't really think that the press '1' and change that keystroke to 'CTRL+1' is allowed - yes, I know other programs do it, but to me that is not "one key press equally one key press".

The icon in the menu bar changes from black to blue; I think it's too subtle though.

[lacitpo]

I may just have not been able to find it, but is there an easy to view changelog either within plexer or on the plexer web site?

Since I never used it, I won't miss #4 it not being added. I tend to stay away from interpreting UELA stuff so if that's your interpretation, fine by me. :)

[owensd]

You can find the release notes here: http://www.kiadsoftware.com/apps/plexer/release-notes.html. Sorry, I don't have a good link on the website. :(

[owensd]

Well.. the maximizer feature is most likely dead before it even arrive. I can find no public APIs that give me the ability to scale the windows of the application like is done in Exposé - that seems to be handled through a "special" connection to the window server which isn't publicly available.

The best I'll be able to do (without resorting to using internal APIs which I'm hesitant to do) is save the positioning of the windows. I had some cool ideas for window switching, but those will have to wait until Apple allows us developers to actually scale the windows arbitrarily or I figure out how to do it with what is already given to us. Maybe I'm wrong and there is a way to do it, but it's not looking good...

[Valorin]

I'm a long time hardware boxer and I've just discovered this thread about Plexer. I've got a request: I use one mac and 4 pcs (because they're cheaper). So I could use the network support with the added hitch of crossplatform support. Right now I'm using a keybroadcasting version of a basic network software kvm called Synergy. (Ha! It's so old it's not even in the list of kvms even though a lot of people used it back in the day). Anyway, there's a pc client that the mac server can hook to as long as I call the mac by IP rather than "workgroup" or whatever dumb crap windows uses.

As an aside, has there been any major developments in something like this? I got back onto this line of investigation after seeing that awesome ISBoxer video Ellay posted on the front page and started searching the forums again after I wiped the drool up. I sure would like to clean up my 5 box setup since it's so ghetto.

[owensd]

I'm a long time hardware boxer and I've just discovered this thread about Plexer. I've got a request: I use one mac and 4 pcs (because they're cheaper). So I could use the network support with the added hitch of crossplatform support. Right now I'm using a keybroadcasting version of a basic network software kvm called Synergy. (Ha! It's so old it's not even in the list of kvms even though a lot of people used it back in the day). Anyway, there's a pc client that the mac server can hook to as long as I call the mac by IP rather than "workgroup" or whatever dumb crap windows uses.

As an aside, has there been any major developments in something like this? I got back onto this line of investigation after seeing that awesome ISBoxer video Ellay posted on the front page and started searching the forums again after I wiped the drool up. I sure would like to clean up my 5 box setup since it's so ghetto.

Not to reveal too much about my plans, but yeas, something like this may come out of my networking work. :)

[lacitpo]

Well.. the maximizer feature is most likely dead before it even arrive. I can find no public APIs that give me the ability to scale the windows of the application like is done in Exposé - that seems to be handled through a "special" connection to the window server which isn't publicly available.

The best I'll be able to do (without resorting to using internal APIs which I'm hesitant to do) is save the positioning of the windows. I had some cool ideas for window switching, but those will have to wait until Apple allows us developers to actually scale the windows arbitrarily or I figure out how to do it with what is already given to us. Maybe I'm wrong and there is a way to do it, but it's not looking good...

Cool that you looked into it. This still remains my top request so if it gets done I would be more than stoked.

[Jansyu]

Hi there, this is the first time I've tried multiboxing.
Have a mac running 10.5.8
Have two instances of wow setup.
Have configured plexer's preferences with 2 apps
Have enabled access for assistive devices
+++++++++++++
Initially, both toons were moving in opposite directions ... well if one master went forward, slave went right angled forward, etc.
So then I tried the blacklist and white list
I tried to put my arrow keys (up down left right) into the list, couldn't
So I put my Clear (run forward) key in. yes, that went in to the white list, but when i used it on first toon, then stopped, 2nd one kept going? This seemed to do the same thing for the slave.
+++++++++++++
I've checked all the notes, and there doesn't seem to be anything about this?

Can someone please advise on just how you use this program? I have the trial version at the moment. I just want to run my alts through quests with my main toon. So I'll only ever be dual-boxing.

TIA :)

Oh wait, tried using SHIFT+arrow direction key and that's worked. So now my directions are good!
Will test further.
/sigh now we're moving at right angles to each other again.
Looks like I'll need some advice after all.

[owensd]

Please update to the latest version of Plexer (1.0.5) - it was just published! :)

I forgot to add the arrow keys in the list of special characters that I need to handle specially when printing to the key list. Your arrow keys were in the list, you just couldn't actually tell as they were printed as an empty string.

That should fix your diagonal problems as you probably have some keys in there that you don't think you do.

Thanks for the feedback!

[yeuquai]

Thanks for making this. It works great and I really hope you continue to develop it.

[lacitpo]

Thanks for making this. It works great and I really hope you continue to develop it.

@yeuquai I'm not sure if I'm interpreting your post incorrectly, but I think you were trying to use your movement keys to manually move both toons at all times. Typical multibox setup is one leader, and the rest slaves. Movement is typically handles by having all slaves /follow your leader. If I'm incorrect, diregard.

Thanks for the patch.

[Maxion]

@yeuquai I'm not sure if I'm interpreting your post incorrectly, but I think you were trying to use your movement keys to manually move both toons at all times. Typical multibox setup is one leader, and the rest slaves. Movement is typically handles by having all slaves /follow your leader. If I'm incorrect, diregard.

Thanks for the patch.

This should have been directed at Jansyu, but you are correct.

[lacitpo]

Not sure if it changes things, but the new 3.3 patch has changed something on allowed window sizes in OSX. I can now make my windows smaller than i used to be able to. Maybe this helps with the maximizer feature addition to plexer?

Fingers crossed.

[owensd]

I'll check it out... random sizing doesn't seem to work but I need to try a few other things.

[lacitpo]

I know window sizing is turning out to be a difficult feature to add.

I am wondering about window positioning. I'm not sure if this is a local thing or if all mac boxers face this, but on startup, all my wow windows stack up rather than remembering where they were last. Is there a way for plexer to resolve this issue?

[owensd]

Yes, I can do window positioning, at least as of 3.2 when I was testing it. I know exactly what you mean about the windows stacking... super annoying.

I've also noticed that if you launch through the WoW Launcher instead of the app itself, your windows get confused on the sizing sometimes too. I really wish I knew how to get the sizing to work as well!

[Ohitekah]

Thank you very much for this extraordinary little piece of software. I finally come back to play WoW and just sent you my $25. You definitely deserve them. Enjoy!

With gratitude, Ohitekah

[owensd]

MUWHAHWHAWHAWHWAAAA!!!!

Ok, so I think I've figured out how to hack-up the size of the window for when WoW starts. It's not perfect and it doesn't allow arbitrary resolutions, but I should be able to save the state of your windows and reload them later...

Still testing it out, but I think I've got it! :)

[owensd]

Blast!!! It only works for the first instance of WoW that I startup... come on Blizzard!!!

[lacitpo]

lol

Your hard work is appreciated. Looks like you're getting payed for it as well. Waiting with abated breath.

[owensd]

There's actually only about 30 users of Plexer right now (at least, that's about how many have purchased it), but those that are using it seem to like it. :)

I've started working on v2 of Plexer; the biggest hurdle is getting the networking working smoothly, quickly, and with as little overhead/lag as possible. Also thinking about redoing the UI completely. Eh... more to come. I might ask a few to beta test it as well, if they're up to it.

[rfuilrez]

So will those of us who purchased Plexer v1 be given v2 unlocked? Or do we have to pay for that too. Because to be honest, $25 for a month of use before being phased out is pretty lame IMO.

[owensd]

I don't know what the upgrade path will be yet. Plexer v2 isn't coming out the door next week though. Regardless, you wouldn't have to pay full price for the upgrade if you have v1; if there is an upgrade cost, it'll be around $10~$15 max.

Plexer v2 is a complete rewrite that will support networking and will have a 3rd-party plug-in system, so it is a significant upgrade.

[Jayne]

I'd totally cough up money again for a version with window size and positioning (the rest would just be bonus for me!). Still loving Plexer, by the way - as a fellow programmer I tip my hat to you for continuing to give us updates!

[owensd]

I'd love to be able to do the window sizing... problem there is on Blizzard's end. :( I'll keep poking at that after I get the other stuff working.

[lacitpo]

I'm 99% sure you've seen this because you've gotta know more about programming in OSX than I do (cause I don't know shit about it) but I found this on a google search (which I'm sure you did too).

But on the 1% chance you haven't seen this, here it is

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/614185/window-move-and-resize-apis-in-os-x

Helpful? Already seen it?

[owensd]

LOL. Thanks for looking. And yeah, I've seen that. It's works great for moving the window, but not for sizing. WoW handles the resize event and blocks (maybe not intentionally) the resize using this method.

I'll try it again using the full code in the sample, but I was already basically doing the same thing. Maybe there is some minor thing I was missing.

[owensd]

Tried it out one more time, not sure if something has changed with 3.3, but I hacked on that sample and it kinda works. :)

If I adjust the height of the window, then it will resize the window if the size of the window isn't the "minimum" size for that aspect ratio.

My resolution is 1280x800, the minimum size appears to be 960x622 (600, 22 pixels for the title bar). So it looks like the minimum size is 75% of the resolution... until you try 800x600, which is 800x600.

Of course... it depends also on which of the graphics APIs you're using. ;)

In 3.3 Blizzard re-did the window hosting which allowed us to resize the windows smaller than before, but introduced some horrible lag (not sure if that is fixed yet).

If us Mac users have set the SET gxapi "OpenGL" option in our on Config.wtf, then we're constrained by the original functionality (which I could have sworn didn't work pre-3.3 anyway).

If we don't have that flag set in the Config.wtf then we can size the windows better.

1280x800 -> 768x502(480)
800x600 -> 640x502(480)

So... it might be back on the table! :D

[lacitpo]

I posted this on the OSX tech support forums. I'm hoping to get a blue response. Those of you who are interested in this feature being added, maybe you could post on the thread indicating your interest in an answer to the question from a blue poster or developer of some sort.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=22048466928&postId=220463628293&sid=1#0

[owensd]

You know... I think you want this feature... :p

[Jayne]

You know... I think you want this feature... :p

Maaaaaaaaaybe.


Glad to see it's progressing! Good luck! :)

[rfuilrez]

So whats the latest and greatest word on Plexer? Haven't seen anything new here in a bit over a week.

[owensd]

Still working away on re-writing the back-end of Plexer to support the new features I want and then on to the new UI. :)

[Revoemag]

Set this up over the weekend. Overjoyed to be able to move to my mac rather than PC. Worked pretty well.

I actually ended up running 4 copies by using Spaces and it work surprising well. Having the same window open at the same resolution and in the same place on each screen is a big boon, and OSX is pretty quick at switching between the windows, faster than Keyclone was on my top end PC. You may want to consider supporting Spaces as you look to adding support for UI control of the windows.

Now onto my small feature request list :)

I'd love a blacklist override key like Keyclone has so that everything can be sent when needed (like "/dance", which does not work with wasd blacklisted). I agree with other comments that a bolder indicator is needed for showing when Plexer is transmitting or not.

On the same topic, it would be great if we could set up a hotkey for each application that can suspend input to that individual application. This is very hand for the new instances where for example a single character needs to stop dps against the boss as he has been marked. Hot keying the passing of input this way would seem an elegant way of handling this and may also prove handy at other times.

Keep up the great work.

[owensd]

LOL... I didn't even think about Spaces. That's a good idea. :) I was too busy trying to figure out how the heck to down the window transformations that Expose does; looks like it's done through an internal API... bummer.

There is an "override key", toggle Plexer on/off. Yeah, I need to get the icon difference more clear. Is this not the feature you were thinking of?

I'll try and think of a way to get the "disable key" working. I hadn't thought of doing that... that puts a little wrinkle in my current methodology of doing things. :)

[Revoemag]

In terms of the override, it's a blacklist override we need. Sometimes we want to broadcast keys that are actually on the blacklist for normal use. Exiting for example on all clients, I usually type /quit, but as WASDQE are blacklisted i can't quit on all clients.

I've tried to tie in the Spaces hotkeys (command key + 1,2,3....) to also be the keys in wow that change focus. If this had worked it would have been ideal but I'm not quite sure if Plexer is seeing these keys. It seems to see part of them but I assume OSX is handling these in a special way given they work in every application to control Spaces. Juist now the only workaround is to swich windows with the Spaces shorcut then manually change focus with another key. Slighly awkard but workable. Of course if you do your own window switching system this will be a moot point.

I now actually prefer using Spaces and not having multiple windows open. I can play the game in full res and switch quickly to another client if i need to at exactly the same res and every UI element in the same place. Now if a mac guru somewhere could figure out how to pass mac mouse clicks thru to each app in Spaces, you could replicate mouse clicks to every client too!

[owensd]

Man, I wasn't understanding anything earlier. :)

I totally get what you're asking for with the ability to turn off the filters. I'll see about adding that.

Mouse clicks is on my list, but that's after I get the re-write working again and getting network support going.

I'll look into the Spaces thing.

[owensd]

Actually... question on the Spaces problem. Are you saying that you have a macro or something bound to the command+num in WoW (and also have your change to Space # set up as that) and that Plexer isn't broadcasting that correctly to the other instances of WoW but the original WoW app is getting the keystroke?

[dozigden]

With regards to the blacklist - for slash commands I just hold down shift while typing them, I have 'wasd' blacklisted but haven't seen a need to blacklist 'WASD' and wow slash command work in caps.

[owensd]

No biggie, the feature is already implemented and working in Plexer v2.0 (which might just become v1.1). :)

Basically I've completely re-architected Plexer to support a plug-in architecture and re-wrote the broadcasting feature as a plug-in. So, if you don't like mine, you could write your own. :)

The back-end is about 80% done with the same feature parity as the currently released version of Plexer. I'll be working on the UI rewrite next... not sure how long that will take to do as I'm still brainstorming ideas of what I want here.

[Revoemag]

Actually... question on the Spaces problem. Are you saying that you have a macro or something bound to the command+num in WoW (and also have your change to Space # set up as that) and that Plexer isn't broadcasting that correctly to the other instances of WoW but the original WoW app is getting the keystroke?

Yes, played around with this some more tonight. OSX blocks the shortcuts you set up for Spaces ever reaching the client. I could bind and use Ctrl+1 for example in WoW, but as soon I enable that in Spaces, WoW never sees it. Shame as it would have been an easy win but it was to be expected.

[owensd]

Interesting... in my latest version that I'm playing with I can see the keystroke so it should be possible for me to send it to the clients even though OSX/Spaces is appearing to eat it.

Makes sense though that WoW isn't seeing it though, my key listening is sitting pretty high in the stack. I'll play around with it in the next week or so, after I get a few other things working, to see if I can't come up with a work-around for that.

[2beef]

Hi im new to mac and plexer, how do i play two world of warcraft games at once ?

[Valsharess]

Hi Owen, me thinks you shouldn't let the demo add a 4th application if demo is limited to 3, otherwise people will get nuts wondering why it doesn't work. Note that you are not stating demo limits elsewhere on your application or website.

[Valsharess]

Hi im new to mac and plexer, how do i play two world of warcraft games at once ?

Duplicate the world of warcraft folder (it is in Applications), then create 2 warcraft accounts, run both, start Plexer, press Add on Plexer, bring both WoW instances to the foreground, choose a toggle broadcasting key in Plexer, and press that key. That is mostly it.

[Revoemag]

Duplicate the world of warcraft folder (it is in Applications), then create 2 warcraft accounts, run both, start Plexer, press Add on Plexer, bring both WoW instances to the foreground, choose a toggle broadcasting key in Plexer, and press that key. That is mostly it.

Actually you can just dupilcate the WoW executable in the applications folder. Saves a lot of disk space and also saves you needing to dupilcate addons/settings etc.

[owensd]

Unless you want different settings for your different WoW apps. :)

Another way to do it is to create links with the ln tool, but that's a little more complicated.

I plan on adding this support into v2.0 to make it easier for non-tech people that just want this crap to work. :)

@Valsharess...
yes, the website is crap and completely unhelpful. I'll be doing a complete re-work of it with v2.0, though that's still a ways off... maybe I should add a note on there...

[Valsharess]

Maybe it would be useful being able to toggle key blacklisting to chat normally. Right now Im using caps for blacklisted wasd keys.

I tried resizing WoW with the SizeUp application from irradiatedsoftware.com but didn't work either. I emailed them a bug report.

[owensd]

It's not a SizeUp application issue, it's the way that Blizzard handles the window resizes that don't come from the application. There's little us programmers can do to work around the issue.

[rfuilrez]

Maybe it would be useful being able to toggle key blacklisting to chat normally. Right now Im using caps for blacklisted wasd keys.

I tried resizing WoW with the SizeUp application from irradiatedsoftware.com but didn't work either. I emailed them a bug report.

I currently just have enter set as my Toggle broadcasting button. This way, when I want to chat I just chat like normal. Enter to open, enter to close. Toggles it on and off.

It does get screwed up when whispering due to hitting R for reply and whatnot. But I can deal with it by using [Enter] then /r

[Valsharess]

That is a good idea rfuilrez, but how do you set enter in the "To toggle broadcasting:" combo box? It seems as if it only lets me select the function keys.

I messed up on my previous try with SizeUp. This application works correctly, even moving instances from monitor to monitor and maximizing windows. I don't know what trickery are they using.

I modified the Plexer_ON.png of my plexer to display a filled circle inside the arrows when Plexer is active, it is easier to see that just the blue arrows alone.

[owensd]

Hmm... I'll have to give it a try and see if I can't figure out what magic is going on.

[owensd]

Ok, so I downloaded the SizeUp program and can't resize the WoW windows arbitrarily either. It's still locked into the min-size set by Blizzard and limited to the correct aspect ratio.

Are you seeing something different?

[Valsharess]

These are four instances running on a 23'' Cinema Display (1900x1200):
http://i48.tinypic.com/29m96pz.jpg

Before SizeUp I was doing the same thing manually. There is a vertical strip of empty space, between the windows because WoW won't lose the aspect ratio but that's fine with me.

[owensd]

Yes, that's the standard resize you can do. As of patch 3.3 you can resize the windows better, though many Mac users have had significant performance problems and have changed back to the old graphics way which doesn't allow you to resize the windows as well.

[Revoemag]

I've had to revert to the old Open GL driver as I think the majority of mac users have had to do until Blizz resolves the issue. The downgrade in performance with 3.3 was terrible. At least they acknowledge the problem.

[owensd]

Yeah, it's so bad that in the next patch they'll be defaulting Mac users back to the old version until they can work out all of the issues.

[lacitpo]

Program works great. Very very few problems with it other than the crash on exit thing which is really no big deal.

One request is the ability to designate a Do Not Pass list on an per application basis. I'd like to be able to do something like the following

A, B, C, D, E being the instances of wow open with A as primary

1,2,3,4,5,6 all pass to all wow instances
7,8 only passes to A, B, C, D
9 only passes to A and E

I'm not sure if you can exclude the focused window but that is not really a big deal. Mainly the abliity to have keys not pass to certain wow instances would be nice.

And as always, window positioning and resizing.... :)

[owensd]

The focused window gets whatever key you press. I can look into stealing the keystroke.

[lacitpo]

Any changes with the new patch? Can't size windows as small anymore...

[owensd]

Any changes with the new patch? Can't size windows as small anymore...

That's because Blizzard defaults the OS X clients back to the old windowing method until they can fix the perf issues with the new one.

[Zeratul]

Hello,

does the demo work ? or just show how it looks ? For me it did not really work, I just was able to rnu it and configure it, but no actual broadcasting of the keystrokes...

Cheers, Jens

[Jayne]

Hey,
Do you think Repeater Regions (as in ISBoxer) is anything that's possible to make for Plexer? Would be another awesome feature to add, but I'm sure you've looked into it - just curious! :)

Cheers!

[owensd]

Hello,

does the demo work ? or just show how it looks ? For me it did not really work, I just was able to rnu it and configure it, but no actual broadcasting of the keystrokes...

Cheers, Jens

Yes, the demo works. You need to 'start plexing' in order for the keys to broadcast. It works for two clients in demo mode.

[mpfiv]

I have returned, or i was wondering as to the current state of network support for those odd users who just decided to crash our motherboard through triboxing, go go warranty for replacements being as such, i would like to actually be able to see all three of my characters on a individual screens, while operating from one computer, though running on two. :) So anyhow, i will be more than willing to take a beta or upgrade price, need network support :( my warranties about to expire so unless i can crash my motherboard again by june 30th and get it replaced again it would be appreciated;)

[owensd]

Sorry, no networking support. :(

[mpfiv]

are you still planning on adding this feature or not?

[mpfiv]

and if so when are we going to see a possible release with it?

[owensd]

and if so when are we going to see a possible release with it?

Honestly, I'm debating on whether or not it's worth the effort to support networking.

[mpfiv]

I can help you with that decision, its worth it hehe:D

[amjr]

Network support would be absolutely fantastic. I already use plexer and it's great. Ability to broadcast keys to another machine would be beyond fantastic.

[Norrin]

Not to hijack Plexer (Great App), but Multilaunchbox handles network support.

Owen (Owner of plexer right?) If your interested I could share the MLB network support code if you want to integrate it into Plexer.

[amjr]

Another keyboard broadcasting solution for Mac. Very nice and with network support! If Netowrk support is functional I can reduce the load of my main-Mac by off-loading two WoW-copies into laptop.

I'll try it as soon as I get home!

Does it support window-scaling positioning? One annoying thing with WoW is that it keeps it's window-settings. I've used shell-script to launch 5 copies of WoW but they will start on top of each other. My current solution is apple-script shown in some post which writes the preference-file before starting each client.

[Norrin]

I would love to answer any question regarding Multilaunchbox (MLB), but not on Plexer's thread.
I do have a thread introducing MLB. I will post your answer there. Sorry if it's inconvenient but I don't want to take over Plexer's focus on this thread.

[ViralInfection]

Is there anywhere to dynamically effect: AppleDisplayScaleFactor?

AppleScript:

do shell script "defaults write NSGlobalDomain AppleDisplayScaleFactor 0.90"


If you can do this with a running application you'd be able to "resize it". Then you just need to figure out how to move the window position while running.

Regards,
- V

[owensd]

AppleDisplayScaleFactor is a solution that I don't like. It makes the menu bar scaled based on the size of the window. I personally think it looks like poo! :)

[Scantraxx1989]

Hey... i tried to use Clonekeys on my macbook. It works but i cant blacklist some keys like w-a-s-d. Can you help me? Or can you tell me a better programm?

[lacitpo]

Hey... i tried to use Clonekeys on my macbook. It works but i cant blacklist some keys like w-a-s-d. Can you help me? Or can you tell me a better programm?

You could use Plexer or MLB. Both have a more extensive blacklist/whitelist interface. I use Plexer and have not used MLB so I can only vouch that Plexer works well for my purposes.

As you may already know, the suite of key broadcasters for OSX is both limited in choices and functionality across the board.

[chngaigorie]

Dunno if this Plexier or not, but wanted to find out if anyone experienced this issue.

Could be lag, could be memory issue, but every now and again, my slaves bug out and start running in whatever direction they are facing. Had this happen a couple of times in clutch situations, which kinda sucks but happens.

I'm running war, hunters and a resto shammy, so basically I park my slaves, run around and collect the mobs. Rinse, lather, repeat. So when this happens, its usually not good. Only way I've been able to find to make them stop running is to press a movement key in a direction, and toggle thru each of the windows, and then it stops. And it happens to every instance open, except the master window.

My machine is MacBook Pro 3.06GHz Intel Core 2, 4 GB memory.

Anyone else experience this?

[rfuilrez]

That is a good idea rfuilrez, but how do you set enter in the "To toggle broadcasting:" combo box? It seems as if it only lets me select the function keys.

I messed up on my previous try with SizeUp. This application works correctly, even moving instances from monitor to monitor and maximizing windows. I don't know what trickery are they using.

I modified the Plexer_ON.png of my plexer to display a filled circle inside the arrows when Plexer is active, it is easier to see that just the blue arrows alone.

I know you asked back in January, but I went on a hiatus after replying about using "enter" as the broadcast toggle key for Plexer and didn't see you ask.

I don't have my Mac set up right now, and don't know the specifics of it but heres a brief overview.

In HOME/Library/Application Support/<Something about plexer>

There is a .plist file. Inside the file is a line about broadcasting. Basically all you do is change it to the command number for the enter key. I forget what the number was, or what it defaults to so I can't get super specific. But I googled it. It was like 28 or something was enter.

Sorry I can't offer more help, but I wont have the Mac set up for another few weeks. At that point if you haven't gotten it, and still want it I can give you exactly what you need.

[shadewalker]

Dunno if this Plexier or not, but wanted to find out if anyone experienced this issue.

Could be lag, could be memory issue, but every now and again, my slaves bug out and start running in whatever direction they are facing. Had this happen a couple of times in clutch situations, which kinda sucks but happens.

I'm running war, hunters and a resto shammy, so basically I park my slaves, run around and collect the mobs. Rinse, lather, repeat. So when this happens, its usually not good. Only way I've been able to find to make them stop running is to press a movement key in a direction, and toggle thru each of the windows, and then it stops. And it happens to every instance open, except the master window.

My machine is MacBook Pro 3.06GHz Intel Core 2, 4 GB memory.

Anyone else experience this?


Yes! I have this issue as well. Is Plexor being developed any more?

[owensd]

Yes! I have this issue as well. Is Plexor being developed any more?

Characters continuing to run off tells me you aren't really following the norm for character movement, which is to use the /follow command for your slaves.

(sorry for the delay, haven't checked the forums in a while).

[dozigden]

Dunno if this Plexier or not, but wanted to find out if anyone experienced this issue.

Could be lag, could be memory issue, but every now and again, my slaves bug out and start running in whatever direction they are facing. Had this happen a couple of times in clutch situations, which kinda sucks but happens.

I'm running war, hunters and a resto shammy, so basically I park my slaves, run around and collect the mobs. Rinse, lather, repeat. So when this happens, its usually not good. Only way I've been able to find to make them stop running is to press a movement key in a direction, and toggle thru each of the windows, and then it stops. And it happens to every instance open, except the master window.

My machine is MacBook Pro 3.06GHz Intel Core 2, 4 GB memory.

Anyone else experience this?

Are you using a black list? If so it could be something like SHIFT+A or CTRL+A need black listing too - these used to cause me problems with occasional random wandering.

[shadewalker]

Characters continuing to run off tells me you aren't really following the norm for character movement, which is to use the /follow command for your slaves.

(sorry for the delay, haven't checked the forums in a while).

I use a /follow macro on my slaves to follow.

The problem shows up mostly when I want to stop the slaves from following my main. If I strafe or use a movement key to break the follow (I don't know of any other way to break follow), it appears the slaves sometimes receive the "key down" event but not "key up" event for the movement key.

I can then use a follow command to try and collect my slaves, but they keep running in circles due to what appears to me as the initial movement key still being depressed. I don't know for sure if this is what is happening, just my guess at it.

I use "shift" and "ctrl" modifiers a lot, and have black listed all the movement combinations with those mod keys. I'm not sure if that has anything to do with the issues I am having or not.

[skarlot]

Characters running off into the distance is a Blizzard bug. it occurs on a daily basis and is a potential wiper.

I have posted it on their bug forums like 2 or 3 times now but they continue to ignore it after 2 + years. I even linked to a thread here showing dozens of people who reported it.

I am absolutely positive it is because it occurs in keyclone and in the programs I wrote and I know exactly how they work of course.

Blizzard are just too slack to fix it. My last post to them was not polite but its a real shame that a silly bug like this gets in the way of game play. I think the only way around it is to macro some additional movement keypresses like 5 ms after you break follow. Just enough to counter the bug, but not enough to get in the way of casting.

World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Follow Bug and running into oblivion (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25626455346&postId=256239699109&sid=1#0)

[shadewalker]

I have had characters run off while using keyclone as well, but just tapping any movement key would stop the slave characters.

When i use Plexor and my slaves begin running off, it takes more than simply tapping a key. The only way found to stop the movement is to bring the slave window to the front and cycle through all my movement keys.

I don't know maybe my plexor is messed up or there is something wrong with my computer set up.

[Tanntyn]

I'm no coder, but I've heard that sometimes, to fix one bug you create another. the question is, which is the least of the 2. This might be the case and is why it hasn't been fixed yet.


Characters running off into the distance is a Blizzard bug. it occurs on a daily basis and is a potential wiper.

I have posted it on their bug forums like 2 or 3 times now but they continue to ignore it after 2 + years. I even linked to a thread here showing dozens of people who reported it.

I am absolutely positive it is because it occurs in keyclone and in the programs I wrote and I know exactly how they work of course.

Blizzard are just too slack to fix it. My last post to them was not polite but its a real shame that a silly bug like this gets in the way of game play. I think the only way around it is to macro some additional movement keypresses like 5 ms after you break follow. Just enough to counter the bug, but not enough to get in the way of casting.

World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Follow Bug and running into oblivion (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25626455346&postId=256239699109&sid=1#0)

[trentburns]

I've not seen much if any activity on plexer in over a year. Is it still active and supported? Anyone know if network support was ever added?

[owensd]

I've not seen much if any activity on plexer in over a year. Is it still active and supported? Anyone know if network support was ever added?

Hey, I've been away from WoW for a while and making a bit of a comeback. It's still active, though I haven't gotten any emails of any issues that people are having. I've been contemplating adding in networking support, but honestly, there have not been a ton of sales for the product. Not sure if people just don't know about it or just don't care.

[CausticSaint]

Hey, I've been away from WoW for a while and making a bit of a comeback. It's still active, though I haven't gotten any emails of any issues that people are having. I've been contemplating adding in networking support, but honestly, there have not been a ton of sales for the product. Not sure if people just don't know about it or just don't care.
I care! :)

With the discounts on WoW for the holidays, I've been looking at picking up a 3rd set of software. I used to use HKN on a PC, but now i use my Macs pretty much exclusively for WoW, so I came back here looking for an OSX solution.

The machine I use the most is a MacBook Air (1.7GHz i5 with 4GB/128SSD) and it runs two copies of WoW just fine. Does Plexer play nice with Lion?

[owensd]

I care! :)

With the discounts on WoW for the holidays, I've been looking at picking up a 3rd set of software. I used to use HKN on a PC, but now i use my Macs pretty much exclusively for WoW, so I came back here looking for an OSX solution.

The machine I use the most is a MacBook Air (1.7GHz i5 with 4GB/128SSD) and it runs two copies of WoW just fine. Does Plexer play nice with Lion?

Yeah, I've not had anyone report any issues with Lion.

I've started doing some work to see how hard it would be to get reliable networking working. I'll keep you all posted if you're interested.

[Norrin]

Hey Owen

MultiLaunchBox supports Network.
If you want to look at the code for that, and use what you need let me know.
I would be more than happy to share it with you.

[CausticSaint]

There are TWO choices for OSX boxing? O.o

I'm not looking to do any serious dungeoneering or BGs or anything. I just want something that'll handle keysending between 2 apps, like what I was used to with HKN on PC back when I was into it. My main use will be leveling a pair of hunters (they were fun to MB in the past) to boost my current lowbie up to 80 so he can be a decent farming toon. I'll also be using the grantable levels to jump a bank alt up to 80 so she can finish off her JC, giving me double the number of tokens to shop with.

Both Plexer and MultiLaunchBox look like they'd meet my needs for running 2 copies of WoW on one Mac. I'll grab the trial of both this weekend and see how they go.

Owen, thanks for the tip on Lion.

Norrin, thanks for letting me know about other options.

[quietstrm07]

I just had a quick question for you guys. I just downloaded the trial of Plexer this past weekend and was working on leveling a pair of toons through dungeons and was running into some issues. Occasionally the second account's character will either spin around in place or at other times he will just randomly start strafing and turning, inevitably pulling additional mobs and wiping the group. Has anyone else run into this?

[shadewalker]

Yes - I had the same issue in a previous post here.

I have also stated that it is different than having the characters just run off into the distance, a common bug with WoW itself.


I use a /follow macro on my slaves to follow.

The problem shows up mostly when I want to stop the slaves from following my main. If I strafe or use a movement key to break the follow (I don't know of any other way to break follow), it appears the slaves sometimes receive the "key down" event but not "key up" event for the movement key.

I can then use a follow command to try and collect my slaves, but they keep running in circles due to what appears to me as the initial movement key still being depressed. I don't know for sure if this is what is happening, just my guess at it.

I use "shift" and "ctrl" modifiers a lot, and have black listed all the movement combinations with those mod keys. I'm not sure if that has anything to do with the issues I am having or not.

[quietstrm07]

The weird thing is I have blacklisted the normal movement keys (A,S,D, Q, W, E) and the only keys that remain to move the characters the the arrow keys which I normally use to try and break the toon out of running off. If the toon is spinning, I use my jamba follow macro. I'm just not sure why the toon would pick up a movement key when it is supposed to not send at all and I haven't touched the other movement keys. Should I just switch to whitelist mode and only allow the specific keys I have set up to perform my given rotation/mounting tasks?

[shadewalker]

Yup, I had the exact same problem with the movement keys being blacklisted. The only keys that were not were the strafe keys and the arrow keys.

I had to be quick to switch to the save windows and get them to stop running in circles by mashing all the movement keys. Even when i did that sometimes i would still have trouble getting them to stop all motion.

[quietstrm07]

So then what did you do to take care of it? Just mash the hell out of the movement keys and pray or was there some way to keep it from occurring in the first place?

[shadewalker]

Prayed and mashed keys. I tried clonekeys too and boxed with it thru WoTLK. It had issues as well so.....I then installed bootcamp, win7, and ISBoxer. I haven't looked back since.

[owensd]

How many instances of WoW do you have running on your computers when you have this issue? I've seen something similar a while back, but that was usually when my computer was pretty bogged down.

[shadewalker]

It was 5 instances on a first gen mac pro with 2 dual core processors. I can't remember the exact speed or proc number.

[toomanytoons]

Is this software no longer supported? I've PM'd the owner, owensd, several times with problems and have gotten no response.

[owensd]

I do not get email notifications of PMs so I never saw your two messages sent here. I only saw this because I subscribed to updates to this thread nearly two years ago.

I no longer play WoW nor do I support the software - I've released both v1 and the progress I made for v2 under open source licenses and have it hosted on github (going to www.kiadsoftware.com redirects you there or simply go to https://github.com/owensd/Plexer).

I simply was not getting enough sales to warrant continued time in development of the software. I'm sorry if updates to WoW have caused any issues.

[toomanytoons]

I no longer play WoW nor do I support the software - I've released both v1 and the progress I made for v2 under open source licenses and have it hosted on github (going to www.kiadsoftware.com (http://www.kiadsoftware.com) redirects you there or simply go to https://github.com/owensd/Plexer).

I simply was not getting enough sales to warrant continued time in development of the software. I'm sorry if updates to WoW have caused any issues.

Ah, that would explain it then. Thank you very much for the response! I'm not a programmer myself, but maybe someone else would be interested in picking this up? Hopefully.....!!!

[AdamXA]

Anyone been able to make use of the Source code?
I personally tried to make a build myself but I don't know what I'm doing and I can't find any other builds on the web :(

If anyone could help me out that would be great!