AV (bg) xp ! woot ! 500k xp/hour !

[Moorea]

I had forgotten about BG giving XP and when one of the people watching my stream mentioned he was getting 200k xp in AV I had to check it out - and indeed I got 160k xp on an average victory !!! that's very fast (that's at level 76)

So I will now pretty much quest but have AV in queue at all times and that should get my remaining toons to 80 pretty quickly

Thought I'd share the reminder - there is also noise (QQ) about it on the wow forums apparently - so it may get nerfed so you may want to do it while it last (at that rate)

[shaeman]

Hmmmm - Time for my level 73 priest to get some BG under his belt.

[Decadence]

how many bars was that for you?

I might just level the rest of 69 in AV to save some of the northrend starter quests for 70+

[Lyonheart]

WOOT! i LOVE AV! Always have! And i have 20+ alts between 60 and 70ish

[Caspian]

See I saw QQ the other way on that. It was lower level but someone was complaining about only getting 200 XP in 20s WSG victory.

[Meathead]

Lol I think it will get nerfed at higher level cuase that is abit to much :D

[Zaelar]

At 76 each tower/general is giving me just under 20k. Not sure how much bosses/winning gives.

[Bovidae]

Does this Quest XP convert to gold if you are max level?

[Moorea]

Does this Quest XP convert to gold if you are max level?

It' not really quest xp (you get it as you down bosses, get towers, etc... and no it's not that crasy that you get gold at 80 for it - it's just xp

[Tonuss]

how many bars was that for you?

I might just level the rest of 69 in AV to save some of the northrend starter quests for 70+
160,000 exp should be around 10% or 11% of the level (two bars).

[heyaz2]

wow.. this might be a great way to level up one of my priest and warlocks sitting at 70... could bring in the 4 shaman to guarantee a couple tower caps + belinda kill... while getting them all honor. I'm gonna try this tonight

[Multibocks]

GDI they are going to nerf this before I even get home and can take advantage of it.....

[Fat Tire]

If anything they will boost the exp in the other BGs and nerf AV. They may even boost exp all around since people are complaining the exp is a little low.



Thanks ellay for getting Fat Tire back!

[Decadence]

160,000 exp should be around 10% or 11% of the level (two bars).

So I did about 5 runs last night of AV, 3 runs of EOTS, 1 run of AB... AV is by far the best, and I was getting 5%-6% xp per game (they were big wins too). We have 40 alliance 20 horde in each of our AV games in the 61-70 bracket.

I'm not sure when I'll have time to hit 71, but I believe I'll get quite a bit more XP in those games.

[Los]

So erm how much do you earn when you are actually losing? (since av winnings are getting scarse on my server ;9)

[Decadence]

not sure, I've never lost an AV on my current server in the brackets I'm in :(

[Dasana]

Played around on my lvl 58 DK. Played a WSG 20min game and a AV 20min game and went up about a half a level.

Kind of a catch 22 to level up this way. Normal leveling you'd earn some gold but no honor points. Leveling in PVP you earn honor points but no gold. Probly be best to mix it up some

[heyaz2]

Wonder how this will work when you don't really win. Horde gets instant games on Reckoning, but wins only about 20%. However we do usually cap a few towers, kill belinda, and grab mines.

Honestly, for leveling multiple toons it couldn't possibly be much slower than northrend leveling, and it couldn't be more painful than northrend instance grinding. I'm most interested in the fact that I could get 2-3 more toons to 80 and have them in full deadly/furious stuff the day they hit 80...

Plus, just play my current group with them, probably have enough honor to get them all enhancement gear and my paladin holy gear.

Currently grinding my 70 priest through old kingdom right now, should hit 71 in a few hours and will see how it goes on a losing battlegroup

[Moorea]

We lost (gasp!) a game last night but we still got good xp from towers etc... I didn't take exactly note (need a new addon for that :-) ) but I'll try to record how much I get

[Smoooth]

Anyone know if rest or RaF bonus' effect the xp in BG's?

[Fat Tire]

I did AB with my Rets in the 40s and got no RAF exp bonus.

[heyaz2]

This is working pretty well so far - horde usually doesn't ever win on reckoning but we're winning about 60-70%. Even a loss gets half a bar, win gets 1.5 bars or so. The good thing is queue's are instant.

This is amazing so far though, especially since you could do this with a whole group of toons.

In 90 minutes on my 71 priest, I got 7 bars and 9000 honor... I'm estimating 5-6 hours per level + 30000-40000 honor.... That's about on par with questing a single toon, or about twice as fast than leveling a group... plus all that honor.. man I'll have a full set of pvp gear by 80.

Time to dust off a few other 70s and bring them in :)

[Zaelar]

The exp isn't affected by rested. It pushes it back like when you turn quests in.

[heyaz2]

I love these instant queues for horde, especially when we don't suck.

For those that want to take advantage of this, I recommend boxing your 80 main's while you do it. I've been able to really contribute to wins by using my 4 ele shaman to wipe at Galv (usually me that wipes but it slows them down), then defend frostwolf, then re-cap towers until it's time to push. have been winning a lot of games, not to mention I'm getting honor on my mains while leveling new toons. Looks like it's going to be 5-6 hours per level with about 30k honor gained across 6 toons... not bad at all

[Niley]

Ive been doing this for past level, I wouldn't say that im leeching of anything, Im doing my job.
http://www.hdimage.org/images/s0b2b682kip3tw3hvrfz.jpg

[Drew]

I ran my first BGs today after reading the posts in this thread. Been playing for almost a year and it was the first time I stepped into a BG....

Loved it!

It was awesomely chaotic and everybody charging out was the gate opened was a blast. I got the last 7 bubbles to get my druid to 75 in what felt like no time at all. I'm sure I'll do at least one or two more levels in AV before heading back up to Northrend. :)

[lans83]

I ran my first BGs today after reading the posts in this thread. Been playing for almost a year and it was the first time I stepped into a BG....

Loved it!

It was awesomely chaotic and everybody charging out was the gate opened was a blast. I got the last 7 bubbles to get my druid to 75 in what felt like no time at all. I'm sure I'll do at least one or two more levels in AV before heading back up to Northrend. :)


It can be pretty addicting :D I waited till I hit 70 on my hunter a few months after BC came out and spent quite a while running all the battlegrounds I could to get my season 1 Gladiator set. Sadly, I never got it all. But I just can't wait to do the grind all over again for the new sets out. I asked in Trade channel, but never got a straight answer, does anyone know if you can purchase the pvp gear if you have the honor points and tokens required, but are not yet that level to wear them? If so, my ass is gonna grind in AV for the lvl 60, 70, and 80 sets so they'll be ready for when I hit those levels.

[mikekim]

It can be pretty addicting :D I waited till I hit 70 on my hunter a few months after BC came out and spent quite a while running all the battlegrounds I could to get my season 1 Gladiator set. Sadly, I never got it all. But I just can't wait to do the grind all over again for the new sets out. I asked in Trade channel, but never got a straight answer, does anyone know if you can purchase the pvp gear if you have the honor points and tokens required, but are not yet that level to wear them? If so, my ass is gonna grind in AV for the lvl 60, 70, and 80 sets so they'll be ready for when I hit those levels.

yes, you can by stuff in preperation for when you can wear it

[Drew]

I did most of a level (went from 4 bubbles into 75 to half a bubble into 76) today. After each BG I wrote down what my XP was, my played time and whether or not w won or lost.

Total BGs - 16
Wins - 8
Losses - 8
Average BG length - 13 minutes
Loss XP - 20k - 40k
Win XP - 120k - 140k

Total time spent in BGs today - 3 hours, 20 minutes
Total XP gained - 1,350,000
XP per hour - 409,090

It's tempting to keep at this, but I need gold more than I need honor. I'll be questing from 76 to 77, but after that I may finish up to 80 in AV. That is, if the queues are as quick during the week as they were today.

[Drew]

Sorry to bump a topic I was the last replier to, but this is a new point so it made sense to add instead of just editing.

What do you guys suggest spending honor points on for somebody who is more into PvE than PvP? I've got close to 70k honor and have never had to spend it before. I've been looking at the rings, mostly because I just put on a set of Eviscerator's Battlegear and don't want to start swapping pieces of that out just yet. I'm planning on doing the Argent Tournament stuff to get the 2 Feral Furies pieces (yes, 80 feral druid here). I guess that really only leaves the rings, unless there are compelling reasons to replace any of my other gear right now.

Also, I've got a lot of Northrend left to do, as I've just done (as in got the achievement done) Tundra, Fjord and Dragonblight. I plan on doing Oracle rep as well, for a shot at the drake. My focus will be mostly on PvE content, but I will be hitting up AB and WSG to get 30 of those marks for the Black War Raptor. (I've got the Frostwolf Howler, but still have 85 AV marks left over.)

Thanks in advance for any tips/advice you guys can throw my way.

[Sembiance]

WowWiki has info about how much experience you currently gain in AV:

http://www.wowwiki.com/Alterac_Valley#Experience_in_AV

COPIED:
All battlegrounds award experience when the team completes objectives. Experience gains are percentages based on the total experience needed to level for a player.


Destroying a tower or bunker awards roughly 1.16% of a level.
Defeating Galvangar or Balinda awards roughly 1.16% of a level.
Winning the match awards roughly 1.55% of a level.
Players are awarded an extra 0.38% for every remaining tower or bunker their team still has when the match is over, regardless of win or loss.


It is thus possible to gain 7.3% of a level from one match just by winning, and up to 8.8% for a win with all towers still up. It will take 14 wins to complete a level, or 18 losses, assuming your team destroys the four towers, and loses your four towers and kills Galvangar or Balinda.

[Multibocks]

I am trying it now with my paladins and it feels waaaay slow

[Fizzler]

What ever you spend your points on keep in mind that you max out honor at 75k..... I think

You will have to spend some of it soon. I believe it was 75k I have hit the limit a few times but can't remember for sure what it was.

[Fat Tire]

WowWiki has info about how much experience you currently gain in AV:

http://www.wowwiki.com/Alterac_Valley#Experience_in_AV

COPIED:
All battlegrounds award experience when the team completes objectives. Experience gains are percentages based on the total experience needed to level for a player.


Destroying a tower or bunker awards roughly 1.16% of a level.
Defeating Galvangar or Balinda awards roughly 1.16% of a level.
Winning the match awards roughly 1.55% of a level.
Players are awarded an extra 0.38% for every remaining tower or bunker their team still has when the match is over, regardless of win or loss.


It is thus possible to gain 7.3% of a level from one match just by winning, and up to 8.8% for a win with all towers still up. It will take 14 wins to complete a level, or 18 losses, assuming your team destroys the four towers, and loses your four towers and kills Galvangar or Balinda.



So at @15-20min per game in my BG. Your looking at 4+ hours per lvl. Not that bad considering you get honor at the same time. You just miss out on gold from questing, but at 80 gold isnt a problem. I have done 74-77 on my locks and its been fun. I mix it up after a few games of AV and do IOC otherwise AV burnout.

[shaeman]

I've been standing around in the queue waiting for AV to pop.

From today onwards I'm moving to a fresh questing area and will knock out as many quests as possible while waiting for my being able to join AV.

I'll prefer the variety that way - not getting burnt out on one or the other.

[Fat Tire]

I've been standing around in the queue waiting for AV to pop.

From today onwards I'm moving to a fresh questing area and will knock out as many quests as possible while waiting for my being able to join AV.

I'll prefer the variety that way - not getting burnt out on one or the other.

How long is your avg wait? Mine is almost instant. :)

[Owltoid]

Wow, I love the new AV!!!

Since my Owls have pretty shitty gear, it's a bit disheartening to go into some BGs where one rogue can wipe the whole group. I found out that if I go into AV, my 5 crappy geared 80s can turn the battle since they're facing over 50% toons below 80! It's now my BG of choice, by far.

Last night I saw another alliance multiboxing druid group (level 74 I believe)... they didn't say hi back. If you're on this forum and reading this post then say something! :)

[king.pa]

I was the king of AV @ lvl 70 with my 4 Ret pallys
I'm now lvl 73, and I've got to 'hide' sometimes because of a single killing AOE...
but gaining so much XP is still interesting

[Ualaa]

My Warlock and Hunter are both 70. So I want them to be 71st, then I can enter with the Druid, Priest and Shaman. Ideally, I want to level all five at once.

The queue for the first AV was 8 minutes.
It was a losing AV, which we lost about 30 seconds after I joined.
The toons received 6k exp's each.

The second AV, the queue was about 30 seconds.
I guess I got into the next one, which many from the previous queued for.
This one also lost, the horde defended Galv and we took zero towers.
The game was 25 minutes, and each toon received 8k experience.

Obviously being there as objectives are taken/destroyed is the key.







I have a couple of questions.

1.
My toons on this team are interested in several pieces of PvP gear. Chances are, they won't be geared at all, aside from PvP stuff. For example, Hateful Gladiator's Wyrmhide Helm costs 49,600 honor and requires level 80. Can I purchase this at level 72 (or whenever I have the honor, even though I cannot use it until 80th, or will I have to be 80th to buy this?). (My primary motivation will be running Dailies, since they each already have epic flyers).

2.
The quest to turn in an AV, AB, WSG, Eye, Strand mark for honor, rewards 319 honor at 70th. It is close to 1200 honor at 80th. Am I better off playing each BG, to have 100x of each mark at 80th, or just AV all the way for faster exp per time invested?

Any opinions appreciated.
And really interested in #1.

[Decadence]

My Warlock and Hunter are both 70. So I want them to be 71st, then I can enter with the Druid, Priest and Shaman. Ideally, I want to level all five at once.

The queue for the first AV was 8 minutes.
It was a losing AV, which we lost about 30 seconds after I joined.
The toons received 6k exp's each.

The second AV, the queue was about 30 seconds.
I guess I got into the next one, which many from the previous queued for.
This one also lost, the horde defended Galv and we took zero towers.
The game was 25 minutes, and each toon received 8k experience.

Obviously being there as objectives are taken/destroyed is the key.







I have a couple of questions.

1.
My toons on this team are interested in several pieces of PvP gear. Chances are, they won't be geared at all, aside from PvP stuff. For example, Hateful Gladiator's Wyrmhide Helm costs 49,600 honor and requires level 80. Can I purchase this at level 72 (or whenever I have the honor, even though I cannot use it until 80th, or will I have to be 80th to buy this?). (My primary motivation will be running Dailies, since they each already have epic flyers).

2.
The quest to turn in an AV, AB, WSG, Eye, Strand mark for honor, rewards 319 honor at 70th. It is close to 1200 honor at 80th. Am I better off playing each BG, to have 100x of each mark at 80th, or just AV all the way for faster exp per time invested?

Any opinions appreciated.
And really interested in #1.

I'm getting at least 30 extra marks of each for a war mount or two, but I've been doing just AV since the level difference is the least noticeable in AV.

[Moorea]

Just a followup : over the weekend I leveled 2 more toons from 71 to 75 so far and was averaging between 390 000 to 500 000 xp per hour (according to titan panel): 500k on good streaks of wins and 390 when alliance were being their usual idiots ;-)

Moorea
(you can see the rounds and probably more again tonight on my justin tv stream justin.tv/mooreatv )

[Diwa]

Questions:

Do AV burn Rested XP?
I still have few 68ish. Has anyone tried 60-70 bracket? How's the XP? or is it better to stay in Underbogs or UK

[gitcho]

no rested xp burnt ... like questing ...

AV xp is only good in the 71-80 bracket - tried it at 68 and was much slower than questing ... quest till you get to 71...

[Multibocks]

I really hope they dont nerf this tomorrow =(

[gitcho]

I really hope they dont nerf this tomorrow =(
no kidding ... it's actually fun to level again ... tons of xp + honor + 3 pieces of free deadly gear when you hit 80? I expect something of a correction by blizzard ... I joined an AV #23 game last night - never seen that many games goin ...

[Fizzler]

I am inclined to believe it would go up rather than down.

I am basing this on the following post. Scroll down for Blue Post.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19109958094&sid=1&pageNo=1

I hope I am not just being overly optimistic.

[gitcho]

I am inclined to believe it would go up rather than down.

I am basing this on the following post. Scroll down for Blue Post.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...sid=1&pageNo=1 (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19109958094&sid=1&pageNo=1)

I hope I am not just being overly optimistic.
that post was in response to AV in the 51-60 bracket, where XP does suck ... the 71-80 bracket grants significantly more XP.

Blue post here talks about XP changes in AV (see player vs player heading) : http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?%3Btpstart=10

[Fizzler]

that post was in response to AV in the 51-60 bracket, where XP does suck ... the 71-80 bracket grants significantly more XP.

Blue post here talks about XP changes in AV (see player vs player heading) : http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?%3Btpstart=10

BAH I did not see that response about 71+ That might not be good at all.

Blizzard just can not make up their mind they want us to get to 80 faster (RAF, account items) but yet they are thinking about doing something to fix 71+. I am hoping they mean fix the AFK'ers and not the experience. I will be optimistic and hope they are doing something to fix AFK'ers now that would be a very positive thing.

[shaeman]

Well I've gone from 71 to 77 on 3 of my shaman in super quick time.
I dinged 3 times on saturday alone - but was playing all day.

Thing is i'm enjoying the hell out of it, and each level brings more fun.

Had to laugh when one moron in BG chat was telling us all to go level, that levelling is quicker, outside of a battleground.
Never ceases to amaze me that people will argue against those with actual practical experience.

One big problem - I have no supporting 80's. So money has been an issue. i had to start training only certain abilities for a while and it's looking like I will only have a flying mount on one of my 80s. However I found something to help with that.

I got to 40k honour on my guys quite quickly and as I had quite a few levels I figured I would hit the level cap too soon, so I used the honour to buy Cardinal Rubys from the Jewelcrafting vendor in the hall of legends.

On alliance side these go for about 150 gold each. On horde on my server they go for about 120. I'd list only a couple at a time, making sure they were lower than any others. 16 of those x 120 was a nice chunk of cash.

I'm now back up to 71k honour on all my guys, but I figure I'll buy two pieces of deadly (the shoulders and gloves) tomorrow ready for me to step in to at 80. It shouldn't take too long to get a third piece either.

I've pretty much only quested in the borean tundra and a chunk of sholazaar, so I'll have to go do questing in all the other areas I skipped to get enough gold for flappers on all, so I can unlock dailies.

[shaeman]

Oh - and I meant to say if you have a jewelcraft you could cut the cardinal rubies and make even more money.
(just wish I had a jewelcrafter).

[Moorea]

Wait until next week to buy the regular honor gear as it will change with the change of season ? (at least I expect it to be upgraded to 213 or something next level - no ?)

[shaeman]

The arena vendors were saying that the new season changes on Tuesday, today they said the new season had started, but the vendors have all the old stuff.

I'm on an Eu server so I suspect they've not quite got the message right.

I will of course wait till the deadly stuff is able to be bought with straight honour.

[heyaz]

The message is garbage. It's said 0 minutes till arena season 7 for the last few hours. I'm pretty sure it begins After maintenance.

[Multibocks]

Im praying this is still true as soon as servers come back up, it will suck if they nerfed the 71-80 bracket of AV.

[Never Ending Pew Pew]

just hit 80 friday night, did 71-80 in av in 3 days!!! its really insane. In regards to saving the honor for season 7. there is no point. They announce that with the coming of season 7 all gear costs will stay the same. as far as I read you will Not be able to purchase deadly for just Honor.... (then again I could have totally miss understand the blue post lol :eek: /doh)

[Multibocks]

Anyone check AV xp in 71-80 bracket yet? I dont have a character at that level (below 80 I mean).

[shaeman]

I'll check the 71-80 bracket out tonight again. Hopefully not too big a nerf to XP gain if it has been nerfed.

I thought that deadly would be available for honour now - and that the cost for items hadn't changed.
e.g Last seasons gloves and shoulders were 31600 honour, this seasons gloves and shoulders (deadly) would be the same.... please oh please oh please let this be true.

[Moorea]

I can confirm that honor and arena gear has been upgraded to 213 (head/shoulder/...) and 226 (for boots, ring, trinkets...)

I should have save some more honor as somehow I thought the boots would stay 213 and I spent 49k honor this past weekend on a pair... oh well...

[shaeman]

Excellent. I'll get home, buy two items on each of my shaman and store them for when I hit 80.

[Multibocks]

Any word on whether this was nerfed? My paladins are almost 71!

[shaeman]

I was in there on my shaman last night, and I have to say it hasn't been nerfed significantly.

As far as I could tell bunker caps and belinda kills still yielded the same amount.
Managed to ding 78 and 79 on my guys. Lost most of the games last night but they all involved bunker caps
and belinda kills so a big chunk XP.

[Moorea]

I don't think it's been nerfed - I had a bad streak with lots of losses (because there was a lot of afkers and despite giving information people just can't get into their heads to stay on top of towers...) and I still was getting ~300k xp/hour on my now level 76/77 toons

[Multibocks]

oh its on!

[Liquidity]

Wonder how this will work when you don't really win. Horde gets instant games on Reckoning, but wins only about 20%. However we do usually cap a few towers, kill belinda, and grab mines.

Honestly, for leveling multiple toons it couldn't possibly be much slower than northrend leveling, and it couldn't be more painful than northrend instance grinding. I'm most interested in the fact that I could get 2-3 more toons to 80 and have them in full deadly/furious stuff the day they hit 80...

Plus, just play my current group with them, probably have enough honor to get them all enhancement gear and my paladin holy gear.

Currently grinding my 70 priest through old kingdom right now, should hit 71 in a few hours and will see how it goes on a losing battlegroup


I've leveled from 75 to 79.5 and have 75k in honor points. No arena points though. Where do I go to get my mage a "full deadly/furious stuff the day they hit 80".

In the sewers there is a vendor who sells gear for just arena points but its about 35k per piece.

Please let me know where to go... Thanks!

[shaeman]

Alliance - Stormwind. Near the test dummies there is a room with a bunch of vendors.
Horde - Orgrimmar. Hall of legends (Across rope bridge from flight master).

75 k honour will get you about 2 pieces. Shoulders and gloves gost 31600 honour a piece. Other gear such as helm cost about 49k.

You can buy the pieces before 80. I bought two pieces when I was 77(obviously can't wear them) but it allowed me to accumulate more honour towards a third piece before I hit 80.

[Rocky Rhode]

My son ran his Hunter yesterday....6-hours he got almost a level an a half 75-77 ...They won most of the AV he ran in...

[Multibocks]

Well Im 71 and its sucking. 150k and hour, not exactly something to shout about.

edit: ya been playin for 5 hours and just under 1 million xp. Pretty lame.

[Schwarz]

Multiblocks sounds like you are getting the worst case scenario. On the upside it takes me ~6 hours to get a level questing. Soooooo start winning some games and everything should be good to go!

Seriously though this AV leveling is something I am really excited to try out. If you have level 80's that can go into AV with lowbies then it should be awesome. I would think alone you can guarantee at least one tower being destroyed.

[Svpernova09]

I went from 71.25 to 72.2 on my Alliance Hunter, Swapped to my 77 Horde Rogue, did 1 AV and got 3k exp.

It all depends on capping towers / killing bosses.

[Schwarz]

What I was trying to say was

Worst Case Scenario : Leveling in BG's will be approximately as fast as questing
Best Case Scenario: Leveling in BG's will be faster than questing

[Slats]

Was cool to run into you Multibocks.

I am using my 80 Prot Pally and my 4x Shamans @ 72. Due to the high Horde population on Blackrock levelling can take me quite some time questing wise as I get rolled alot.

I wait a few seconds at the start, then head to Galv. If it looks like Fields of Strife are going to be contested then I run up Snowfall and down the other side to avoid them.

I run in help finish of Galv and then sit in IBT till it burns. Every tower your near that burns you get XP it seems - havn't tested the range. Havn't really tested Graveyards properly either.

Once IBT burns (and omg its so fun punting groups of the edge with thunderstorm) I run to TP and help out there and wait till it burns then move in to the maint town and if only one or two towers are up and Horde are getting close to taking Relief Hut I will use initiate the Drek pull and just tank everything - otherwise wait for them to burn and take on Drek.

If I have a really really good game where it goes smooth like that I'm doing about 10% of a level a game. If I have a crap game maybe 5%.

As long as you do Galv/Belinda and camp towers you should be making pretty good honor and XP. This is a crazy fun way to level and sure beats the hell out of questing.

Does anybody else have anymore tips/suggestions?

[Schwarz]

Was cool to run into you Multibocks.

I am using my 80 Prot Pally and my 4x Shamans @ 72. Due to the high Horde population on Blackrock levelling can take me quite some time questing wise as I get rolled alot.

I wait a few seconds at the start, then head to Galv. If it looks like Fields of Strife are going to be contested then I run up Snowfall and down the other side to avoid them.

I run in help finish of Galv and then sit in IBT till it burns. Every tower your near that burns you get XP it seems - havn't tested the range. Havn't really tested Graveyards properly either.

Once IBT burns (and omg its so fun punting groups of the edge with thunderstorm) I run to TP and help out there and wait till it burns then move in to the maint town and if only one or two towers are up and Horde are getting close to taking Relief Hut I will use initiate the Drek pull and just tank everything - otherwise wait for them to burn and take on Drek.

If I have a really really good game where it goes smooth like that I'm doing about 10% of a level a game. If I have a crap game maybe 5%.

As long as you do Galv/Belinda and camp towers you should be making pretty good honor and XP. This is a crazy fun way to level and sure beats the hell out of questing.

Does anybody else have anymore tips/suggestions?

There is a discussion on Horde AV tactics going on in the PVP forum http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=24166

[Moorea]

Well Im 71 and its sucking. 150k and hour, not exactly something to shout about.

edit: ya been playin for 5 hours and just under 1 million xp. Pretty lame.

I never got under 200k/hour even on bad streaks; to get 150k only I guess you must have very long turtle AVs where your team fail to cap anything ?

[Smoooth]

Just so you know how the xp works...



Destroying a tower or bunker awards roughly 1.16% of a level.
Defeating Galvangar or Balinda awards roughly 1.16% of a level.
Winning the match awards roughly 1.55% of a level.
Players are awarded an extra 0.78% for every remaining tower or bunker their team still has when the match is over, regardless of win or loss.
Successfully rescuing a Wing Commander awards 0.39% of a level

Xp is for everyone so you don't have to be within a certain range to get it, just in the bg.

[Smoooth]

Ok so maybe that info isn't very accurate. I just hit 71 and went to the last bracket.

At 70 burning a bunker gives about 5.5k xp.
At 71 burning a bunker gives about 18k xp.

Level 70 and 71 are very similar in the xp requirements to level. Does anyone know if you keep getting about 18k per tower/bal/galv through 80 or does it go up with levels?

[heyaz]

Ok so maybe that info isn't very accurate. I just hit 71 and went to the last bracket.

At 70 burning a bunker gives about 5.5k xp.
At 71 burning a bunker gives about 18k xp.

Level 70 and 71 are very similar in the xp requirements to level. Does anyone know if you keep getting about 18k per tower/bal/galv through 80 or does it go up with levels?

I thought I heard it was a percentage of a level, but I have noticed my 70 gets very little experience (probably better to quest from 71). Haven't noticed a difference in leveling time from 71-74 though on my priest, seems about 4-6 hours each time.

[gitcho]

Level 70 and 71 are very similar in the xp requirements to level. Does anyone know if you keep getting about 18k per tower/bal/galv through 80 or does it go up with levels?
it goes up slightly ... i've got the BOA shoulders and was getting low 18k at 71, and mid 19k at 79.

[Moorea]

I dinged 77 now on my rogue & pally but I'm stopping/pausing because I can't stand AV anymore :-)
(all of 71->77 was entirely in AV) - my average went down to around 300k xp/hour because people in AV really suck - had some fun times too though (like recapping the bunkers and winning with around 500 left)

ps : to use you marks; get the epic ground mound (50 marks), the battle standard (+10% damage bonus) for 30 and the tabbard for 60 marks... after that I got 10 of each potion for 2 mark each (another 40 marks) : total 180 marks consumed but I still have a ton left that I have no use of

[Multibocks]

Was cool to run into you Multibocks.

I am using my 80 Prot Pally and my 4x Shamans @ 72. Due to the high Horde population on Blackrock levelling can take me quite some time questing wise as I get rolled alot.

I wait a few seconds at the start, then head to Galv. If it looks like Fields of Strife are going to be contested then I run up Snowfall and down the other side to avoid them.

I run in help finish of Galv and then sit in IBT till it burns. Every tower your near that burns you get XP it seems - havn't tested the range. Havn't really tested Graveyards properly either.

Once IBT burns (and omg its so fun punting groups of the edge with thunderstorm) I run to TP and help out there and wait till it burns then move in to the maint town and if only one or two towers are up and Horde are getting close to taking Relief Hut I will use initiate the Drek pull and just tank everything - otherwise wait for them to burn and take on Drek.

If I have a really really good game where it goes smooth like that I'm doing about 10% of a level a game. If I have a crap game maybe 5%.

As long as you do Galv/Belinda and camp towers you should be making pretty good honor and XP. This is a crazy fun way to level and sure beats the hell out of questing.

Does anybody else have anymore tips/suggestions?

Nice to meet you as well! At least no one was really giving us a hard time in AV for multiboxing. I had a few interesting conversations as well. Some guy started in on me later and I told him I had no idea why those 4 guys were following, but if they didnt stop I was going to page a GM for harassment.

[Multibocks]

Multiblocks sounds like you are getting the worst case scenario. On the upside it takes me ~6 hours to get a level questing. Soooooo start winning some games and everything should be good to go!

Seriously though this AV leveling is something I am really excited to try out. If you have level 80's that can go into AV with lowbies then it should be awesome. I would think alone you can guarantee at least one tower being destroyed.


If you are familiar with all quests in WoTLK you can do a level in 4 hours, less if you have access to flyers. I was literally taking a quest, flying over all the trash, taking out the quest guy and turning in quest in about 45 secs. Flyers are that OP in northrend =)

[Multibocks]

Just so you know how the xp works...



Destroying a tower or bunker awards roughly 1.16% of a level.
Defeating Galvangar or Balinda awards roughly 1.16% of a level.
Winning the match awards roughly 1.55% of a level.
Players are awarded an extra 0.78% for every remaining tower or bunker their team still has when the match is over, regardless of win or loss.
Successfully rescuing a Wing Commander awards 0.39% of a level
Xp is for everyone so you don't have to be within a certain range to get it, just in the bg.


Holy crap I didnt know you get xp for the commanders! Bah, and here I was ignoring them.

[Saithe]

At 73 I'm still getting 18k exp per Tower/Bunker/Galv, which is pretty awesome.

The biggest flaw I can see for the current system is the fact that you get exp regardless of what you do. Unfortunately it's a double-edged sword. If you put a range on it, the 2 sides would just all travel in a giant mob and there would never be any Defense, but currently at any given time in my Battle group, there's about 1/5 of the raid that are always at the bottom of the charts with 0 damage, 0 healing, and a lot of bonus honor and exp.

I've found that AV is a great supplement to forming instance groups too. The leader does his job at getting the rest of the group (usually a tank and/or healer), and while he's doing that, I just hit up AV. As long as I'm there for at least the Galv kill, it's like doing a bunch of quests in a matter of minutes, and when the group fills, I can just /AFK and already be at the summoning stone ready to help summon.

[Moorea]

Successfully rescuing a Wing Commander awards 0.39% of a level

When exactly does this XP kicks in ? When they arrive safely back to your base ? (as I don't think you get anything by just the dialog "go go go...") or worse only after the turn ins to get aerial assault ?

Also does summoning the Ice/Forest Lord yield any xp ?


ref: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/pvp/battlegrounds/quests-alterac.html

[Oswyn]

nothing to see here...

[Multibocks]

???? 10chars

[Multibocks]

At 73 I'm still getting 18k exp per Tower/Bunker/Galv, which is pretty awesome.

The biggest flaw I can see for the current system is the fact that you get exp regardless of what you do. Unfortunately it's a double-edged sword. If you put a range on it, the 2 sides would just all travel in a giant mob and there would never be any Defense, but currently at any given time in my Battle group, there's about 1/5 of the raid that are always at the bottom of the charts with 0 damage, 0 healing, and a lot of bonus honor and exp.

I've found that AV is a great supplement to forming instance groups too. The leader does his job at getting the rest of the group (usually a tank and/or healer), and while he's doing that, I just hit up AV. As long as I'm there for at least the Galv kill, it's like doing a bunch of quests in a matter of minutes, and when the group fills, I can just /AFK and already be at the summoning stone ready to help summon.


18kxp aint so hot, considering quests at this level give 20-25kxp. =(

[heyaz]

18kxp aint so hot, considering quests at this level give 20-25kxp. =(

That's for every tower, and belinda, and another 25k for the boss kill or win. In 15-30 min, repeatable, and no collection quests or travel time. It's still under 6 hours a level no matter how many toons you got. It's a lot faster and less painful than I remember leveling my 5 toons to 80 by questing/instances. And I'll have PVP gear when I hit 80 :)

[Saithe]

I've got 3 levels and 1 piece of PvP gear (and will soon be getting another) in the past day. Gotta love it.

[Smoooth]

I've got 3 levels and 1 piece of PvP gear (and will soon be getting another) in the past day. Gotta love it.
That must've been a loooong day. I got tired after getting a full level in about 5 hours. I'm going to work on it monday. Thanks Labor Day!

[Akera]

71->74 today ~ 8 hours played. Alliance is on fire! For once...

[DrChaos]

I tested this last night. I sttod in the opening of the cave on my 75 warrior and YES, i got xp for taking the towers. Every one that capped i got xp for. I often seen points for player kils too. im assumiong they were from players running into our bases and getting owned since its right at the bottom of the hill. So ya, you can get capping honor and the galv and drek honor from the starting area.

[Akera]

Until people report you as inactive.

[Sam DeathWalker]

I was looking up AV and que (premade) and found this (might be old) - just to funny not to post:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMmGN8gHLfs

[Saithe]

"This is...impossible with a server full of tards."
Don't I agree.

And yeah, don't just AFK through games, it hurts your team because so many people do it already, which only causes your team to lose and slows you down.

[Schwarz]

after this weekend I averaged around 5 hour levels so what is that like ~200ishk an hour. Not very good but better than anything else.

[Akera]

5 hour levels is ~300k/hour or more at 70+ as levels are in excess of 1.5m XP.

The thing about AV tho isn't so much the speed, more the convenience. Tho i've seen 700+k/hr on winning streaks. Problem is, it's possible to get 0 XP if your team really fails. So I find myself going /afk and waiting out the 15 minute debuff when it looks a 50 min AV fighting at the choke points is inevitable.

[Multibocks]

The only reason I do only AV to level in the 70s is that you end up with 3 pieces of deadly gear when you hit 80. Not too shabby. I just need to learn to AFK out if horde has a defense going.... seriously 15min debuff is not as bad as 1 hour turtle.

p.s. dont forget to do the insignia quest (trinket from AV that has 4 versions) it will give you about 100k free xp when its all said and done. Well worth the trip to Tarren Mill.

[shaeman]

I've found some of the longer AV's to be the most fun.
Okay it slows levelling down, but I love big battles - and the encounters help me get better on my team.

Mind you I am one of those annoying turds that won't stop trying to the bitter end.
I got grief recently coz I admitted to wiping the alliance on Drek'thar.
I thought it was funny - yet they just wanted to lose and get on to the next match.

I mean it's, all very well getting honour and XP but you gotta have fun too.

I've been in enough BG's where we've won against all the odds to make it worthwhile.

[Schwarz]

5 hour levels is ~300k/hour or more at 70+ as levels are in excess of 1.5m XP.

The thing about AV tho isn't so much the speed, more the convenience. Tho i've seen 700+k/hr on winning streaks. Problem is, it's possible to get 0 XP if your team really fails. So I find myself going /afk and waiting out the 15 minute debuff when it looks a 50 min AV fighting at the choke points is inevitable.


5 hour levels are still quiet the grind. At least they seem like it too me. I have only been playing one toon so no turning the tide by myself.

I took a paladin from level 73 to level 77 sunday/monday. I am getting excited about the paladin getting close so then I can start doing heroics again.

I found that there is a little trick with Stonehearth Bunker. You can go in right behind the alliance flag and cap it without killing any archers. This really helps when you are level ~73 and can't do jack to help out.

There were several runs that I am pretty sure I got no xp so that does suck. I have been having fun going and taking mines by myself (actually helped us win a couple). Just a word to the wise just b/c you can level in AV doesn't mean it is going to be easy. Looking at 5 hours a level then you are looking at ~45 hours of playing AV. This can get old pretty quick. I am pretty sure I couldn't stand all the verbal abuse that one gets in AV for boxing.

[Sam DeathWalker]

LoL Im having a blast, I do my normal exp pulls at Black Temple while queing on my paliden then enter with just the Pal. Im 70 and a prot pal so I have more HP then anyone it seems. Or if someone attacks me with world pvp at the BT (level 80s only) I just keep everyone else in ghost and go to the AV with my Pal. Its fun so its not "grinding", can pvp all day for a level so what?

Ya I don't get many kill shots but I do a lot of damage (run into the enemy consecrate then bubble out heh), and I get to tank the boss mob.

Horde does the exact same thing every time, run to the tower kill mini boss, run to next tower, kill mini boss, fight across bridge kill big boss ....

Horde went 5-0 yesterday but I think we lost the last game which closed up at 3 am before it was done. I got like 4000 (3000 yeasterday about 600-700 each win) honor and 24 tokens or something I don't know where they are.

What are you guys talking about AFK? You here to play the game? If you are here to play then play to win not play to watch TV lol. A few more guys can turn the tide at the right time. Everyone can contribute to some extent but I guess if you are 71 agaist full gear 80 then well ....

[Akera]

There were several runs that I am pretty sure I got no xp so that does suck. I have been having fun going and taking mines by myself (actually helped us win a couple). Just a word to the wise just b/c you can level in AV doesn't mean it is going to be easy. Looking at 5 hours a level then you are looking at ~45 hours of playing AV. This can get old pretty quick. I am pretty sure I couldn't stand all the verbal abuse that one gets in AV for boxing.

Yea 5 hour levels is a long time, but 5 hours is towards the bottom of the scale... I've been doing 3 hour levels roughly.

It all depends on what you enjoy. AV might not be the fastest at times, but for me it's the least painful. No running between zones, no dealing with a collection quest in the middle of your chain. I just log onto wow, que up and go. If we're losing consistently I come back later.

So just do what you enjoy. Personally, AV is the only reason I'm going to have more than 3 80's. Doing the Northrend quests 3 time (yes I solo leveled them) was painful... I don't think I've got anymore left in me!

[Multibocks]

If you are only leveling up 4 characters and have one 80 already AV is usually a win for you. Holding IBT or tanking Galv with no heals can make a huge difference. I find most horde attack my 80 first because they think he is the highest threat when really 4x Crusader Strike and 4x Divine Storm is a lot of damage on one person. I went 12-2 today with the losses being due to the WHOLE horde showing up to Galv and defending. Those ones I should have afk'd out of because they took forever to lose. =(

P.S. Hitting 80 and having 3-4 pieces of PvP gear waiting is awesomesauce.

[heyaz]

Anyone know the percentages of XP gained in the 61-70 bracket and if they're the same? If they're identical I would imagine it being the same amount 5-6 hours per level in the 60s which is quite slow. As burned out as I am boosting BC instances and UK, they still need 3-4 levels each to hit 71 and 6 hours levels in the 60s is just a waste of time.

Also, am I right that the XP for the 61-70 bracket does not scale properly for level 70? I coulda sworn I was still only getting like 5-6k experience on my 70s per objective rather than 18k...which would make 70-71 like a 15 hour level easy.

[heyaz]

P.S. Hitting 80 and having 3-4 pieces of PvP gear waiting is awesomesauce.

I know, it's really awesome. Worst thing on both of my groups I've leveled to max (one to 70 and one to 80) is after that terrible grind, you've got several more days of sitting in AV before you have any gear at all. That grind will be half way done immediately :)

Plus, most heroics were super easy even when my shaman had nothing but hateful gear, no pve stuff at all. Now that I have a geared tank, if I decide to do heroics with the new group, couple of crafted pve pieces + deadly gear and it's a breeze to farm marks and get the real stuff.

[Marathon]

I get 18k exp for a tower cap at 73. And about 7% or 8% of level if our side wins. 3 or 4 % if we lose. I love it. Plus I am getting honor like crazy.

[Multibocks]

Anyone know the percentages of XP gained in the 61-70 bracket and if they're the same? If they're identical I would imagine it being the same amount 5-6 hours per level in the 60s which is quite slow. As burned out as I am boosting BC instances and UK, they still need 3-4 levels each to hit 71 and 6 hours levels in the 60s is just a waste of time.

Also, am I right that the XP for the 61-70 bracket does not scale properly for level 70? I coulda sworn I was still only getting like 5-6k experience on my 70s per objective rather than 18k...which would make 70-71 like a 15 hour level easy.

Yeah I tested out the 61-70 bracket and the xp was downright AWFUL. One win and only 2%ish xp? Get outta here with that bunk.

[Multibocks]

Ugh tonight has been awful, horde has some arena equipped groups in all my AVs. I cant seem to dodge them. 0 xp and I even /afk'd out of a bunch. Makes me want to punch kittens.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Horde his kicking butt on Bloodlust, in the 70 bracket. I'm like 19-4 and 3 of those loss were games I didnt start in. Just hit the 71 bracet (I am only running one toon my paliden) and got a lot of honor and exp even though I didn't contribut much against all the 80's ....

Not really sure if I should try:

4 mage 1 pal
5 mage
3 mage 2 shaman
4 shaman 1 pal
5 shaman

I dont like using blizzard so thinking i could fire spec 4 mage (and 1 pal to pick up incoming melee) and strike from afar. But someone did well with 4 shaman in the 70 bracket also. With the Pal I go out on the kill Blenda and Van route, maybe with a 5 box team I should play defensive as thats what they seem to do but I like where the action is at the spearhead.

This is great fun its like not grinding at all. Then I go back to BT do a pull with 22ish mobs and get in the next que lol ...

[Akera]

I'm in Bloodlust (Alliance) also, after an hour in the 70's bracket on my level 60's toons I never went back.

71-80 bracket seems to be about 50/50 in the sense that one day you win 90% the following you lose 90%.

[Souca]

Yeah I tested out the 61-70 bracket and the xp was downright AWFUL. One win and only 2%ish xp? Get outta here with that bunk.

61-70 is trash. Aside from crap for XP, the queues are longer and there are more season 2 twink 70s than you'd think. Best bet is to go to UK and boost there at 65 and then hit AV at 71.

The honor is insane at the higher bracket too, 1437 lifetime kills and 55k honor at level 77 on my DKs. Only 96 AV marks and I win more than I lose.

- Souca -

[blast3r]

I started taking advantage of AV ( I love it anyways) and went from 75 to 77 today. I did the ness quests in scholo but the rest was AV for the most part. Incredible.

[Souca]

Just an FYI, the DKs hit 80 tonight. From 74 on it was pretty much AV with some quests thrown in to open up areas like Shadow Vault and do some Argent dailies starting at 77. Deadly gloves and shoulders plus 20k honor, so all in all it's a win scenario. If I had quested, I'd still have to do AV to grind out the honor. Now I have almost all of Northrend to quest for money if I get bored of dalies.

Also, Army of the Dead times 5 will rake Galv to 50% before his whirlwinds kill them. One healer and you are good. Better gear will remove the need for a healer, but I'm only sitting at 17k right now, so those hits can hurt.

Feel bad for the lowbies sometimes. Most of them die before they even land from the Death Grip. Pallies are getting easier with a well timed Strangulate since they generally don't worry until 35% and if they don't bubble fast enough I can usually burst them when the Obliterates start to hit.

Bah, I'm babbling now. I need sleep.

- Souca -

[suicidesspyder]

Yea my most fun is my locks and 3 times fel hunters. Pallies dont stand a chance now and if i put in a shadow priest they really wont lol. Just dot times 25 felhunters stun and interrupt then i do the death coil round robin becuase you know hes gonna try anything to get out of it. So with 1 after the other hes screwed lol and even if he pops bubble he cant kill me 5 times fast enough before his bubble wears. Since i do drain life from a buddy of his lol. He sees his buddy going down starts to heal not knowing hes healing me while i wait for his bubble to go bye bye.

[Marathon]

Gratz on 80 Souca. Hope fully i will get to play more than just one game with you.

[Souca]

Gratz on 80 Souca. Hope fully i will get to play more than just one game with you.

I'll definately be playing them in AV more. It's pretty much the reeason I leveled them, that and to *finally* have a team at 80. That said, I might have to take a day off from them. Too much AV and my tolerance for QQ and losefasters is low. Plus I wanna go back and spread some love to my three shammies that are still 72. Plus it will nice to be at range and not running around in little circles getting dizzy for a bit.

So if my DKs aren't in AV, my shammies likely will be. Just look for the guild tag, only my characters are in <Internal Bag Error>.

- Souca -

[Marathon]

I'll definately be playing them in AV more. It's pretty much the reeason I leveled them, that and to *finally* have a team at 80. That said, I might have to take a day off from them. Too much AV and my tolerance for QQ and losefasters is low. Plus I wanna go back and spread some love to my three shammies that are still 72. Plus it will nice to be at range and not running around in little circles getting dizzy for a bit.

So if my DKs aren't in AV, my shammies likely will be. Just look for the guild tag, only my characters are in <Internal Bag Error>.

- Souca -

You are like the only other multiboxer I see on a regualr bases in AV. I could be 80 by monday i think. I have a three day weekend. But i started playing some WSG and AB last night and actually kind of liked it. I was not super succesful, but i had fun. So who knows.

But yeah i will keep an eye out for you. Oh and hell yeah 7 times (my 4 shammies and your 3 ) chain lightning would be awesome HAHAHAHAHA !!!!!! :D

[Souca]

You are like the only other multiboxer I see on a regualr bases in AV. I could be 80 by monday i think. I have a three day weekend. But i started playing some WSG and AB last night and actually kind of liked it. I was not super succesful, but i had fun. So who knows.

But yeah i will keep an eye out for you. Oh and hell yeah 7 times (my 4 shammies and your 3 ) chain lightning would be awesome HAHAHAHAHA !!!!!! :D

Haven't been sleeping well lately so I've been playing weird hours. For some reason ally was losing at 3am, so I went over to my baby horde lock (72), and suddenly ally win three in a row, I mean creamed us, almost perfects. So I figure it's a good time to start the shammies. Lose four in a row, including a nasty Mal'Ganis premade. WTF? Am I cursed. Switched back to horde and I've been winning. I think being able to switch sides when the other is winning will either keep me sane, or cause me to lose it altogether.

P.S. The baby lock is Kelindriá, so please be nice and let her kill you ;)

- Souca -

[Monkofdoom]

I got to level 71 on my team last night so I went to AV as I thought - Maybe it'll be easier this way for leveling... 3 hours later I'd gained 4 bars of xp. Some bad luck I had it seems :(

[Souca]

I got to level 71 on my team last night so I went to AV as I thought - Maybe it'll be easier this way for leveling... 3 hours later I'd gained 4 bars of xp. Some bad luck I had it seems :(

It comes in waves. On Stormstrike there are waves of two or so hours where one side just dominates. On weekends during sane hours Horde wins 75%, but other than that its back and forth. The trick is to learn when your side wins and play then, when you aren't winning, do some quests to pay for training.

- Souca -

[LaZZer]

So, my first team hit 80 last night. The moment I hit 71 I started doing AV and did nothing but. In total it took 138 game to hit the bit eight-zero. Won roughly 50% of them but its hard to say because I /afk'ed out of a few turtles.

[Multibocks]

So I checked my slaves win ratio and they are currently at 82wins and 50 losses. So 60% win ratio, I'm sure you can figure out some xp rates with an average win taking 30mins and a loss being around 50mins (horde rarely races on my server, so win by attrition). With that in mind I found the best times to play as alliance on Kil'jaeden is early morning (I would say 90% win rate) and very late night (midnight on). After about 1-2pm Horde starts dominating. These arena geared guys show up and they dont go kill Vann, nope they farm you for 50mins and wont let you do ANYTHING. It sucks because you really cant do anything to them with their pocket healer following.

[Jooch]

I don't know about anyone else but my AV experience was terrible this weekend. 4/5 of my games were the 45min + games and we lost 3 of those. The one 10min game we won so that was nice. I'll have to try next weekend, hopefully it'll be better

[Multibocks]

Here's the golden rule: If your team doesnt kill Galv or Belinda in the first try and your offense "wipes" to the opposing defense then /afk out or you will spend at least 30mins in back and forth fighting. 15mins of debuff and 15mins playing next game will be better xp and honor. Plus the 15mins gives you a chance to afk and get something done. I always try to find the "winning" AV and stick with them as much as possible. This means waiting a few minutes after a loss before requeuing and sometimes afk'ing out until you find that "magical" group that just steamrolls everything.

[Fizzler]

Here's the golden rule: If your team doesnt kill Galv or Belinda in the first try and your offense "wipes" to the opposing defense then /afk out or you will spend at least 30mins in back and forth fighting. 15mins of debuff and 15mins playing next game will be better xp and honor. Plus the 15mins gives you a chance to afk and get something done. I always try to find the "winning" AV and stick with them as much as possible. This means waiting a few minutes after a loss before requeuing and sometimes afk'ing out until you find that "magical" group that just steamrolls everything.

You can ALT out and only wait 5 or so minutes for it to time out. When you log back in you are out of the BG and not a deserter.

[Multibocks]

Shit I didnt know that! Damnit!

[Fat Tire]

You can ALT out and only wait 5 or so minutes for it to time out. When you log back in you are out of the BG and not a deserter.

:( Crap! dont give away our secrets! I normally do this after bal/shb/Iwb is done on horde side unless horde are really moving and looking like it will be a win. Horde get instant queues so its really a beneficial to do this.

[Moorea]

quitting wow to escape deserter debuff seems like cheating to me...

[Sam DeathWalker]

Ya really you guys here to play the game or just max yur exp?

A lot of our (horde) losses are due to people quitting, afkers and all that. I'm always (with my one PAL /73 now/) in the top 20 on my team for honor, win or lose. Not happy to see us lose and 5 guys with 0 damage and 0 healing .....


30 percent of the time I am the first to Belnda.

GOGOGOGOGO!





Here's the golden rule: If your team doesnt kill Galv or Belinda in the first try and your offense "wipes" to the opposing defense


No one plays defence, like 1 game out of 30 we wiped on Belinda .... Just rez up and get back in there! Do anything, find a lower level enemy and kill him, cap a tower, recap a tower, grab a gy, defend the boss, buff people coming out of the gy while they cast mount, do anything to help!

In a week when all my raf is done Ill try another pal and 4 fire mages in the 60's bracket (so if the exp isnt super super its not like grinding at all)... gogo long range fire ball.

[Multibocks]

Wrong as always Sam. On my realm between 2pm and midnight there will always be horde s6 to s7 equipped teams that defend Galv. Yes I do play AV to win, however when there are roving groups of arena teams defending I see the writing on the wall. If you think that my one group can even take one of them down, FoK rogues and Bladestorm warriors say no.

[Fat Tire]

Ya really you guys here to play the game or just max yur exp?




Think you answered your own question regarding AV. As to anyone's ethical or moral values concerning AV, I couldnt give two shits. I will alt out of a turtle every time as I am leveling characters up.

[Souca]

So I checked my slaves win ratio and they are currently at 82wins and 50 losses. So 60% win ratio, I'm sure you can figure out some xp rates with an average win taking 30mins and a loss being around 50mins (horde rarely races on my server, so win by attrition). With that in mind I found the best times to play as alliance on Kil'jaeden is early morning (I would say 90% win rate) and very late night (midnight on). After about 1-2pm Horde starts dominating. These arena geared guys show up and they dont go kill Vann, nope they farm you for 50mins and wont let you do ANYTHING. It sucks because you really cant do anything to them with their pocket healer following.

Ouch. Your games are slow, painfully slow. A lose for me is usually around 32 minutes, wins are 12. People start calling to "lose faster" at 14 minutes, and people start saying they are going to "hellfire away resources" at 20 minutes.

As for finding the winning times, I think that's the best way to do AV.

- Souca -

[Souca]

Wrong as always Sam. On my realm between 2pm and midnight there will always be horde s6 to s7 equipped teams that defend Galv. Yes I do play AV to win, however when there are roving groups of arena teams defending I see the writing on the wall. If you think that my one group can even take one of them down, FoK rogues and Bladestorm warriors say no.

Ugg. I hate FoK. Bladestorm I can stand, but FoK with the interupt and the poison is just too much.

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[Otlecs]

FoK with the interupt and the poison
The good news is that since 3.2.2 FoK no longer interrupts and does 30% less damage than it did before.

AoE like that used to cause me alot of pain, but I soon learnt to dump an earthbind totem, insta-GW and grab some distance.

I love AV, but I really wish they'd introduce an 80's-only version of it.

[Sam DeathWalker]

People start calling to "lose faster" at 14 minutes


Ya well some play to lose and others, like TeH MIGHTY DEATHWALKER play to win.

Every losing game is an opportunity to learn how not to lose the next time ..... basically they want to end a learning opportunity before they learn anything.

You only need to win 51 percent of the time against anyone and everyone to be the best.


"lose faster" ..... I can't belive it.

The object of getting exp to to win at pvp (well one object), if you arn't going to pvp when you are losing whats the point of getting the exp?