New RACES!!!

[Multibocks]

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Goblins and Worgens are the new races of the Expansion
I like catchy titles. In the last PTR build 4 new textures of Halloween masks have been added.

2 of them are for Goblins masks - Helm_Mask_Halloween_GoF and Helm_Mask_Halloween_GoM
2 of them are for Worgens masks - Helm_Mask_Halloween_WoF and Helm_Mask_Halloween_WoM

Even if the Goblin texture would make sense as an addition to the game, adding Worgens texture out of nowhere is definitely a sign that the 2 new races of the expansion will be the Worgens (most likely for the Alliance) and the Goblins.

I know that a lot of people will love to argue with that over hundreds of replies. I would just like to add that it usually takes a lot to make me post something on the front page and I don't think I've ever been wrong everytime I did. Hopefully Blizzard will react fast enough and add tons of new masks in the next build just to pretend that it was intended. (Suggestion: Pandarens please)
http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/july/newraces.jpg

edit: awesome alliance get worgen!

[Zal]

1. Blizzard making masks for some race doesn't mean we can play them.
2. Goblins are mercenaries (go to the highest bidder) so doesn't mean they're on horde that doesn't mean worgen are on alliance.

[Malekyth]

An easier possibility is, they're simply expanding the mask hunt for Hallow's End, way before the next expansion. Rather than collecting masks just for the playable races, we'll have an achievement for running around getting non-aligned ones too. There was enough protest over the lack of newness in Midsummer's ... perhaps they want to keep the seasonal events fresh for those who have done them before?

As for the expansion, goblins are neutral, right down to the bone. They worked for the Horde at one time but are a truly neutral institution in WoW, as much so as the Cenarions or Argent Dawn. It would be strange and kind of lame (and disappointing) for them to suddenly take sides. Blizzard can make it happen, obviously, all they need to do is write it down and it's reality, but I think it'd be very hard to revise the image of goblins to fit the Horde, so I think they'll be more creative than that and come up with something new for the expansion.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

edit: awesome alliance get worgen!

Roflcopter. Can you imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth if either of those went to a particular faction? Blood Elves vs Draenei, I can see. I can't see either of those two with specific ties to a faction. Goblins are neutral to both all through the game. Should be interesting to see. I predict drama ratings of at least 7.8.

[Gadzooks]

I tend to view these kinds of things with a grain of salt. For all we know, the art could never get used, it's just an idea the devs were playing with. Or they're yanking everyone's chain, like an Ashbringer goosechase.

Bliz does have a sense of humor, after all.

If they had done Worgen and Panderan, that would have pointed at "the list" being accurate - that I'd have more faith in.

We shall see!

Edited to add: I just had a thought. IF the next expansion is indeed in the Maelstrom...we'll be dealing with the Goblin Kingdom. Which means Goblins will be major players in the expac. It *could* be that we "discover" that the Worgen are simply innocent dupes of what's his name, working with the Naga, they turn against the Naga, and we fight with them in the next expac, which means Worgen NPCs all over...and would explain Halloween masks for the upcoming "stars" of the next expansion. The Worgen you encounter in Shadowfang and Northrend are part of the story, and you'd still get the storyline leveling, and if the Worgen NPCs are all in a new zone of Gilneas, there's not much retconning required.

I think that has more of a "right" feel to it, than as playable races. Goblins as playable races is a bad idea, does not fit the lore, and unless they make it a neutral race that can play Horde or Alliance, then it's stupid.

Hmm. Wait. If we can now switch factions at will, then perhaps they are going to allow a neutral race, who can do Alliance or Horde quests. Interesting. Far fetched, but...interesting.

[Moorea]

Hmm. Wait. If we can now switch factions at will, then perhaps they are going to allow a neutral race, who can do Alliance or Horde quests. Interesting. Far fetched, but...interesting.

Interesting idea; here is a twist on it : introduce only 1 race initially neutral and players can choose at the starting zone to ally with either current faction (and maybe switch too) - they would learn the horde or ally common language in early quests and then be locked into it (like blood worgen and worgen of the light) with maybe some bridges along the way and some neutral quests too (that everybody can do)

[Multibocks]

The only reason I posted this is because mmo-champion posted it and they have an awesome track record in that regard. Ya they could be wrong, but I cant remember the last time they announced something like this and were wrong.

[Gadzooks]

They've been wrong before, but it's no big deal, just don't get your hopes up too high based on two halloween masks. :)

Now, if they find actual armor kits for Worgen, and things like that, then yeah, they're onto something. :)

[zanbu4life]

Odd don't think I've ever seen a female worgen in game.

[Zymurgy]

I think I recently saw an article on either wow.com or mmo-champion about Blizzard tossing in random stuff to trick data-miners. Who's to say that this is not just a Blizzard group having fun with the community. I bet there was a Lunch Bet between 2 devs whether or not it was made into a big deal. Somewhere a team of devs is kicking back some cold ones and laughing at the community and our thirst for future knowledge of the game.

[Aloratnm]

Any publicity is good publicity, be it truth or false I suppose. I've already got a WoW friend who quit a few months back saying if they add a new race he's coming back. Though I think any new change would bring him back in a jiffy truthfully lol.

[Pwnstarr]

Well, since this information is out in the wild, I can confirm that I've been told from another (very reliable) source that those are the two new races for the next expansion.

As well as the fact that there will be no new continent, just reworked/new zones within eastern kingdoms and kalimdor, oh and flying mounts will be usable in old world too.

[Pwnstarr]

I dont think Pandarens or any other panda-derivative will ever make it into the game due to Chinas stance on pandas and the size of the wow player base (around 50% wasnt it?).

I was told that Worgen/Goblins were due in the next expansion however, I doubt even blizz are planning two expansions ahead.

Edit: I just saw that link you posted, and the zone sets he posted is very interesting indeed. Seems like i was wrong and they do plan that far ahead :S lol

[Multibocks]

Well, since this information is out in the wild, I can confirm that I've been told from another (very reliable) source that those are the two new races for the next expansion.

As well as the fact that there will be no new continent, just reworked/new zones within eastern kingdoms and kalimdor, oh and flying mounts will be usable in old world too.

well that practicallly eliminates the need for land mounts except for cities and BGs.

edit: Ugh Zandalar - 84 to 87 - this sounds like more troll raids. Im so sick of killing trolls. You would think they were all wiped out by now.

[Zymurgy]

Trolls and Murlocs are like Roaches... Even when we are all gone from this planet they will still be here somewhere.

[Pwnstarr]

I support the creation of a Murloc-focussed raid.

Can never kill enough murlocs.

[Zymurgy]

I read that wrong at first and thought you meant this:
http://www.instructables.com/files/deriv/FQ3/SKVK/F90572WS/FQ3SKVKF90572WS.MEDIUM.jpg

But yeah a Big raid would be nice too... make it an endurance fight...ooh:
1. The Murlocs come in waves of 30 non stop for upto 1hour.
2. You get more loot depending on how long you survive.
3. You only get one shot at the dungeon.
4. And if you make it the whole hour you get an Epic flying murloc and free counseling for 1hour exposure to constant murloc yelling.

[Sychosys]

Neatest one of the speculations I read in all those forums posts was that in general these races were considered neutral and so that in the end, instead of one side getting one or the other, a chance of getting to choose if you have a horde or alliance worgen/goblin might be the next expansions gimmick.

Would be kewl if the horde doesnt get the shitty race everyone hates :)

[Normak]

Neatest one of the speculations I read in all those forums posts was that in general these races were considered neutral and so that in the end, instead of one side getting one or the other, a chance of getting to choose if you have a horde or alliance worgen/goblin might be the next expansions gimmick.

Would be kewl if the horde doesnt get the shitty race everyone hates :)


that sounds very plausible if you take into acount the way DKs are done. Both Horde and Alliance only depends on race.

but idk just because they are neitral races

if we did get these two races however and they where fixed sides. id say Goblins would go to Horde. Just seems silly to have 2 short races on alliance :P

[Normak]

personaly i think bring out the Panderians!

[Pwnstarr]

Oh, I thought i mentioned it already, but they are not neutral races. Horde get goblins and Alliance get the Worgen.

They're not classes you know :P

[Steph]

Oh, I thought i mentioned it already, but they are not neutral races. Horde get goblins and Alliance get the Worgen.

They're not classes you know :P

Hehe, Horde gets goblins because they were always jealous of the mighty gnomes. Gnomes and goblins being on opposite sides is already the case in engineering.
Alliance gets worgen because the alliance doesn't have enough hair and too small teeth compared to the horde. =]

Worgen as playable race - for whomever - could be one of the reasons why the worgen pets were a no-no.

[Tonuss]

That has been "claimed" to be fake a few times.... but who knows. Later in that thread there is an "updated" list with some new stuff.The thing about the expansions list was that it was posted on Allakhazam back in late 2007 (or 2006? It was a few months prior to tBC I think), and they got the Northrend zones correct 100%. They had most of the Outland stuff correct, but by the time of the post the information was probably already out there. So there's reason to think that the document was legit. However, the person who posted it said it was from 2002 or 2003 (ie, during development of WoW) and after seven or eight years there are going to be changes.

It doesn't matter to me one way or the other, but I would expect to see worgen in the next expansion. I would hope they were horde-side, as they seem like a cool race to play, but for all I know I'll be done with WoW by then. :p

[Sychosys]

This was actually predicted if you read the posts. Blizzard apparently has included 'extra' distracting information. If horde gets stuck with Goblins, we better get Gadget and BBay then as Horde town since they are run by Goblins... That would make having to put up with the annoying things worth while as opposed to a race that would go along side the Tauren perfectly... Ya know like how Dwarves have the little Gnome pets erm, group members. Taurens would get worgen pe..arrty members :)

All of this was 100% speculation based off of mask textures in any case so I never really expected it to happen.. Does anyone honestly think Blizzard is going to give us a new race in an intermittent patch update instead of an expansion? hehe

[Drew]

BBay then as Horde townSo horde get two towns in STV, and alliance get a camp? Ya, that makes sense.If it does turn out that Goblins and Worgen are the new races, I'd expect to see new home cities for each of them. We've already got shared capitals for 2 races on each side (Orcs/Trolls in Org and Dwarves/Gnomes in IF), so trying to shoehorn another one in somewhere would muddle things up. Blood Elves and Draenei got their own home cities in BC, so I don't see any reason for this not to happen again.

[Starbuck_Jones]

Ive always wondered why the horde don't have Ogres yet.

[heffner]

Woot, six new races!!! :D

Given the upcoming paid ability to change your toons faction, I wouldn't be surprised if they added some neutral races that can choose a side or just stay neutral. Heck, maybe it will be a paid ability to change to a new race. That wouldn't surprise me either.

In the end, it's probably just some new instance with "masked" combat :P

[Zub]

Or, maybe, it's just 12 more masks to collect and no new race :-)

not sure how they would do nagas as a playable race, would lack a 'boots' armor slot, hehe

[Pwnstarr]

Well, the reason i chimed in with my info is because i've been sitting on it for 7 months, since someone told me back in january that goblins and worgen were coming. This person happens to work at blizzard and thats the extent of the information im giving out about who they are.. Though having said that, my info is 7 months old and of course could have changed since I was told.

With the discovery of the masks, I decided to back up the speculations of the races.. Goblins for horde make sense since you you'll be able to have midget fights vs Gnomes, and who doesnt want to see that; and Worgen because I think alliance need a beefier class to compare with the Tauren.

It seems to me its just continued normalisation of factions along with races/classes that we've seen already.

[Stabface]

3rd faction with Naga, Murlocs, Worgen, Vyrkul and Ogres, with Goblins playable by all ? Almost guaranteed to never happen, but it would be awesome :)

[Pwnstarr]

guaranteed to never happen, but it would be awesome :)

[Zub]

now is time to discuss what mounts for the (potential) upcoming races should be.

I reckon the goblins should have some sort of rocket mount
the worgen, i'm not sure yet.. any suggestions?

[Bigfish]

the worgen, i'm not sure yet.. any suggestions?

Plains running.

[Sychosys]

BBay then as Horde town

So horde get two towns in STV, and alliance get a camp? Ya, that makes sense.

Hehe, I didnt say it makes sense.. In point of fact I was saying that more so for how unlikely it seems they would want to throw a wrench into things. To counter this sarcastic point however, all of the zeplins are goblin run like the gnome tram thingy. So who knows. Doesnt make sense to me to take a race so entrenched in neutrality and make them Not.



All of this was 100% speculation based off of mask textures in any case so I never really expected it to happen.. Does anyone honestly think Blizzard is going to give us a new race in an intermittent patch update instead of an expansion? hehe

Umm, ever heard of seeding information?

Is that what you are doing? :)

Im a skeptic and a cynic. That leads me to playing the game as it is right now and not caring much about what will be. While I have not had the joy of doing the vehicle missions as of yet (I generally stay one expansion behind in levels) I have not yet been disappointed by WoW over the years. New race? Fine. Halloween Masks? Fine. Either way its a win for me as there will be more :) The biggest problem I will have with a new race is if a class I have would be better as that race and would I want to restart it... Or pay to transfer it to the alliance side and then back to the horde to get the race change, hehe.. Who knows! Right now, since I am pretty much broke in game all the time, I just want cheaper mounts!

[jettzypher]

i could see the worgen being a shapeshifting class. they seem losely related to werewolves and even in grizzly hills they appear as humans that change into worgen. *shrug* would make them fit into the alliance side more if that was the case.

i do like the idea of a third faction that they all fall under. would be interesting. 3-way pvp? hmmm....

[Gadzooks]

I'm going to remain skeptical - no offense to Pwnster and your contacts. If you had a verifiable track record from your sources, I'd be more willing to go with what you say, but I've been hearing "my freind at Blizzard told me" since the game was released. The raid guild I was in during vanilla had someone who had a friend who worked at Blizzard, who regaled us all with all the cool stuff coming in the expansion...which all turned out to be wrong. Turns out, the guys friend at Blizzard was telling him fake stuff to keep him off his back. :)

If it turns out to be true, cool. I don't really care either way. I don't have much interest in playing either Goblins or Worgen, but it'll be interesting to see how they do it.

If it turns out to not be true, cool. Let's see what Blizzard has up their sleeves.

Blizzard has been saying a lot lately, through official posts, blue comments, interviews, and everything else. They're dropping hints relentlessly. It's fun. Speculate away, nobody gets hurt, but don't get your hopes up too high. :)

It may be that they're just halloween masks. I don't know. I would love it if they really started playing with people's minds and seeded masks from Diablo III and Starcraft II characters and mobs- and let people argue and fight over what they mean for 6 months, all the while slipping the real stuff in quietly while everyone is raging over Halloween masks.

[Pwnstarr]

no offense to Pwnster and your contacts. If you had a verifiable track record from your sources, I'd be more willing to go with what you say, but I've been hearing "my freind at Blizzard told me" since the game was released. The raid guild I was in during vanilla had someone who had a friend who worked at Blizzard, who regaled us all with all the cool stuff coming in the expansion...which all turned out to be wrong. Turns out, the guys friend at Blizzard was telling him fake stuff to keep him off his back. :)
Heh, no offence taken, I offer the information freely and I know I cant offer any verifyable proof that the information is correct, so I dont expect everyone to believe :)

[Fef]

Heh, no offence taken, I offer the information freely and I know I cant offer any verifyable proof that the information is correct, so I dont expect everyone to believe :)"I want to believe".
I like the idea of a werewolf race. I probably won't have the courage to level a new race from scratch, though, but they could do funny auction house characters.

[Sychosys]

i could see the worgen being a shapeshifting class. they seem losely related to werewolves and even in grizzly hills they appear as humans that change into worgen. *shrug* would make them fit into the alliance side more if that was the case.

i do like the idea of a third faction that they all fall under. would be interesting. 3-way pvp? hmmm....So they could only be druids? hehe. Wuold seem to be a bit limiting.. Would be kewl if that was their 'travel form' instead of a mount though... But again, I am with Gadzooks, it doesnt matter and we will see when we see :)

[daviddoran]

I have a feeling that the best response that blizz will get is to have the new races start out neutral, at lvl 55 or higher, with a questline similar to the DK line, and at the end u choose your faction, get some decent blues, and head to outland (or northrend if they raise the lvl cap)



Or the only other way I see it is a whole revamp of the old continents, making them phased zones, and lowbies see it as it is now, and once you complete a questline, you can no longer see the old way, but the new "fixed" world, with higher lvl content, and new dungeons/raids