Key Clone - An AutoHotKey AND Multibox style program [Archive]

Xzin

07-02-2007, 01:24 PM

http://solidice.com/keyclone/

Never tried it personally, closed source, costs money (all 3 are the opposite of AutoHotKey/Multibox, available here for free) - but purports to emulate Vetras in software. Quite a few users seem to report it works ok. Put it here b/c some may find it useful, even though in my opinion there are better software methods and even better hardware methods.

"Licenses are tied to each machine and a new one must be purchased for each machine. " - Still quite a bit cheaper than Vetras - may still have drawbacks.

"extended keys (alt, ctrl, and shift) are currently not working across machines." - The developer is working on this.

"only tested on WinXP" - Would be nice if it worked in linux but not likely anytime soon.

Edit: The developer posts here and is working to improve the package. Seems like quite a bargain for those who want to go the software route and avoid AHK. $50 vs $1000+ is quite the savings. I am willing to give this tenative positive feedback.

It also allows you to control clients across the internet (?) and through your LAN, as well as on your actual PC... givign you a great deal of flexibility if you are growing your setup over time rather than building it from scratch.

Tech249

07-07-2007, 01:37 PM

Just found this post, I started another post earlier today. I did a search for "keyclone" one word not two. :)

I can't find much at all on this either. I'm thinking its rather insignificant.

Runiat

07-07-2007, 08:43 PM

A key-broadcaster paid for "per machine"? They actually got a price for just 1 license?!

Pff..

keyclone

07-12-2007, 05:44 PM

and i should make it free for what reason?

last time i checked, beer costs money

zanthor

07-13-2007, 01:57 PM

Clonekeys, hows your support for G15? I'm having trouble with my G15 and AHK triggering off the G-Keys.

dilbert

07-13-2007, 02:11 PM

Again the only problem I see with this app is the lack of support for alt/shift/ctrl on the remote computers. If that were fixed then I can possibly see paying but as it stands multibox and Synergy supports this and both are free.

Heenan

07-13-2007, 02:55 PM

and i should make it free for what reason?

last time i checked, beer costs money

Do what you want, but we already have an awesome open source piece of software that handles most of our needs. If not, then people go with hardware (which is more reliable anyway).

You're trying to sell to a community that thrives on finding the cheapest (free'est?) option.

zanthor

07-13-2007, 04:16 PM

Here's the thing, for $10 it would be well worth it to me *IF* I knew it would work better/easier than what I can setup with AHK.

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure I could write some wicked evil scripts using AutoHotKey that would further the twoboxing abilities such as checking to see if a hotkey is on cooldown or out of range by pixel color and then sending the appropriate hotkey...

But that would definitely be dancing on the EULA naked with a "I hate blizzard" sign tatooed on your ass...

Shogun

07-13-2007, 05:30 PM

The creator has been picking up some feedback in this thread btw:

http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums2/viewtopic.php?t=595

And seems willing to make changes, additions and fixes if enough interest is shown, maybe it would become worth the fee if enough of us have some input :)

kyo

07-13-2007, 06:52 PM

yeh... still why pay when you can go free
oh... and he got lame IP banning.. whats so interesting about an ugly dog?

Bradster

07-14-2007, 03:01 PM

and i should make it free for what reason?

last time i checked, beer costs money

Understand where your coming from man.It's cool that you have the know how to do something like that. I've never seen or used your program.

One question that may turn out to be a better sales pitch is. What kind of service and support to you offer for your program? I pay a little more if I know i'm going to be good hands. Given the choice of getting class A support over saving a few dollars, I always pay the extra and i'm sure others do as well. Make sure to reflect that on here. Show us why its worth the money
:)

keyclone

07-15-2007, 01:27 PM

i'm always looking for suggestions and try to respond when i can (i do have some life... not much, but some). normally, i have turned around requests within 24-48 hrs, depending. programming requests could take longer, obviously. all licenses are perpetual and transferable (within reason... not doing it daily). as such, you get all future upgrades for free, just download and install over the old version.

after seeing some of the crazy rigs on this site, i started working on improving keyclone for the massive multi boxers (mmboxers?)

first up: keymapping
still should be grey area (as far as the game companies are concerned) and would be very useful for mixing different character types within the same group

second: macros
still iffy about this. this would take keyclone definitely into the realm of unattended macroing... but would definitely help the mmboxers

third: commands
probably more grey area then macros, and should help the mmboxers

i had to upgrade the setup dialog and improved a couple of workability issues already.

the alt/shift/ctrl keys to remote keyclones is still an issue and will be worked after this round of functionality (mid week?). the bug only pops up when you are tying remote keyclones together. multi apps on the same machine do not have this bug

Xzin

07-15-2007, 01:35 PM

Mmbox ahh mmbox shoobada yeah mmmmm.

http://openfansite.com/Images/photos/hanson.jpg

Couldn't resist.

Otlecs

07-16-2007, 04:36 AM

I may be wrong (that happens sometimes ;) ), but this could possibly be the Unique Selling Point I've been grasping for in trying to work out why I'd pay for something I can (effectively) already get for free...

If it allows me to send keystrokes to multiple instances of WoW on the same machine AND to other machines simultaneously, then I think we have a winner.

I don't run more than a single instance on each box now, but wouldn't mind giving that a go if it was workable without AHK or similar. If it also happened to broadcast to multiple instances on the local machine and to multiple instances on the remote machines, so much the better!

10 boxing on 5 actual boxes. Mmmmm.....

My feature wishlist would be:

- Vista compatible (put those barbs away you rabid anti-Vista folks! this is MY list ;) )

- Able to send ALL keys to mutliple instances of an application on the local machine

- Able to send ALL keys to mutliple instances of an application on multiple remote machines.

- Able to selectively disable the broadcast of keys, including modified keys (alt/ctrl/shift combinations). Just a binary flag would do for me - I don't intend to get into the realms of not broadcasting certain keys to certain instances of the app!

- Absolutely no embedded macro, automation or other grey / pitch black areas of functionality.

:)

edit: mandatory typos...

keyclone

07-16-2007, 09:08 AM

keyclone was designed to pass keys between multiple programs on a signle box as well as pass to other peer keyclones, which would in turn pass down into the individual local programs.

on my machine, i can run 5 shadowbane instances at once on one machine, with 3 on another and 1 per laptop (4 keyclones hooked together... 10 characters synchronized). for the wow video, i had one on a laptop recording and 4 on my main machine (2 keyclones, 5 characters in a group). i haven't tried more then 5 characters in wow yet (anyone try it? does /assist work outside your group?? i figure it should considering raids, but i have not tried it)

here is a screen shot of keyclone running on my machine

http://solidice.com/keyclone/shade_army_24apr2006a_thumb.jpg

link (http://solidice.com/keyclone/shade_army_24apr2006a.jpg)
(ok.. how do you wrap a url around an image using bbcode?? seems broken to me)

note in that shot i have 1 keyclone peer attached and 5 local clients

as for Vista compatibility, well... you'll have to beta test that for me, and if it doesn't work, i'll try to fix it. i have no current plans to abuse my machines with vista, and considering the hardware requirements for vista... i don't foresee it happening anytime soon.

Otlecs

07-16-2007, 10:51 AM

Ok, no Vista support is a good enough reason for me to stick with what I have. Fair enough.

Notes

07-16-2007, 11:43 AM

Running 5 WoWs using windows Vista won't work any way since the memory usage double compared to the XP mem usage while running WoW.

Atleast, I installed Vista hoping for a nice fast game play but instead of using 500mb, it started using 1gb, only running WoW ... ><
But lets no talk about vista ... Just mentioned this because the program isn't compatible(maybe) and even if it was, WoW would suck.

keyclone

07-16-2007, 01:33 PM

i didn't say it wasn't compatible... just that i haven't tested it on vista. as far as i know, it should work (unless microsoft really messed around). to my understanding, vista is more winnt like, and should therefore be fine (if anyone has vista and has tried it.. please let me know, thx).

most windows apps run on the new microsoft platform so long as you adhere to standard practices (which i have). i have stuff i wrote for win3.1 back in 1991 that still works on winxp.. no recompile needed.

Otlecs

07-17-2007, 03:31 AM

I didn't say it wasn't compatible either. I said it wasn't supported. Which it isn't :)

Maybe one day.

I can comfortably run 3 WoW on a 2GB Vista notebook (!) and that's more than enough for me so I haven't tried more. I'll just have to look elsewhere for my "keyboard broadcasting killer app"!

keyclone

07-17-2007, 08:55 AM

i'm able to do 3 WoW clients on my 3 yr old xp notebook as well.. of course it only has a 1.5GHz processor w/ 1GB of memory and 64M of grfx memory.

an extra gig of system memory and double the processor and vista gives me... alpha blending on windows? lol

definitely not running out to cripple my box with the 'upgrade'

Otlecs

07-17-2007, 09:37 AM

I don't quite understand why people think anyone else has the slightest interest in their opinions on Vista or other operating systems. I expect the same opinionated "experts" were trotting out similar rhetoric when W2K came out, and again when XP was announced.

My decision to run Vista on my new machines is far from ill-informed. I have compelling professional reasons for running Vista (in addition to other OSes) and have no interest in why you - or others - choose not to.

What I do know is that developing software that is not supported on Vista is a dead-end, whether we like it not, because for the vast majority of the population, an operating system is just a means to an end, not something to get all foamy-mouthed about.

You choose not to support Vista. That's your call. I honestly don't care. My jury-rigged setup works adequately well. I wouldn't have minded coughing up a few dollars for a more elegant solution, but c'est la vie.

Peace.

edit: usual typos...

Mannyman

07-17-2007, 09:59 AM

Vista right now is a joke. I'd go so far as to say it's a blazing disappointment. I wouldn't install it if it were free. I'm sure you have reasons to run it, compelling as you say.

I don't blame the author for not testing it on Vista for one person.

Otlecs

07-17-2007, 10:10 AM

>I don't blame the author for not testing it on Vista for one person.

Me neither.

zanthor

07-17-2007, 01:00 PM

I'm interested in knowing if it works on Vista... or for that matter if it DOESN"T work on vista can I get my $10 back?

keyclone

07-17-2007, 01:12 PM

if you test drive it and report back, yes.. refund if it fails.. no problem

Kissell13

07-17-2007, 09:19 PM

keyclone and xkeys....are they compatible with each other for dual boxing on a single pc

Xzin

07-17-2007, 09:30 PM

Yes, X-keys is a hardware "keyboard" that can be set to assign different key combinations to it.

I don't see why not.

Nesian

07-18-2007, 02:43 PM

I'm currently running Keyclone on a Vista machine.. its running "ok" however it isn't listing the windows after you add them, and its not letting you set up keys in the setup portion..

ie. i click the area of the window that it tells you to click before pressing they key you want to add to either list, and nothing happens (ie. the key doesn't appear in the larger text box above the "click me" box)

straight out of the box it works ok (ie. keystrokes activating on both of my wow windows at the same time) however i feel i'm losing out a bit by not being able to utilise the program fully?

also, sometimes hitting the override button crashes the program..

keyclone

07-18-2007, 02:55 PM

running on Windows Vista:
sounds like they changed how they enumerate windows in vista (quality job)

a crash when pressing override? wtf (it basically sets a flag). that is the first crash i have heard of since its first release (mar 2006)

*sigh*

i'll see what i can do

Runiat

07-18-2007, 08:12 PM

keyclone was designed to pass keys between multiple programs on a signle box as well as pass to other peer keyclones, which would in turn pass down into the individual local programs.

on my machine, i can run 5 shadowbane instances at once on one machine, with 3 on another and 1 per laptop (4 keyclones hooked together... 10 characters synchronized). for the wow video, i had one on a laptop recording and 4 on my main machine (2 keyclones, 5 characters in a group). i haven't tried more then 5 characters in wow yet (anyone try it? does /assist work outside your group?? i figure it should considering raids, but i have not tried it)

(...)

as for Vista compatibility, well... you'll have to beta test that for me, and if it doesn't work, i'll try to fix it. i have no current plans to abuse my machines with vista, and considering the hardware requirements for vista... i don't foresee it happening anytime soon.
Now you're talking sense! The option to combine AHK with Synergy+broadcasting is actually worth something, Vista sucks (I know from experience), and if u add keymapping and support for G15 I'll actually be likely to buy it. Oh yeah and it'll have to work with Vista as most of my laptop's hardware doesn't work with XP.

Really you should mention the bit about it being able to broadcast to windows and computers at the same time more often.

zanthor

07-19-2007, 06:41 PM

So I put up the $10 and downloaded this... works great, works in vista, configuration is obscenely easy and my 3box mage/mage/pally are working great. I have yet to toy with round robin but I haven't had any problems with it!

keyclone

07-19-2007, 06:44 PM

zanthor

07-19-2007, 08:25 PM

i'm back at it tonight... hoping to get the hotkeys to a final point.

zanthor, if you want, and don't mind, check out the alpha with hotkeys and see how that works for you (the alt/ctrl/shft is still not there... that is what i need to fix now)

http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums2/viewtopic.php?t=650

Raid started @ 7pm, however my Doublemint twins are nearly 11 now (they are actually triplets, but no one realizes the pally is a twin cuz she's in mail not cloth). I'll look into the hotkeys, though I'm confused as to what you mean by hotkey?

Nesian

07-20-2007, 04:34 PM

just an update, i realise i had actually downloaded an older version (must have been the link on the site) so i redownloaded from the main site and its working just fine now..

thanks again!

Paradima

07-21-2007, 09:43 PM

I've only tried it on my only PC at the moment but it works like a charm. It's not expensive, it does the job very well and the creator seems pretty active and actually talks to his customers.

I'll give it a 10/10 except for the ctrl, alt, shift issue however I've heard it will be implented.

And it's not considered cheating/violating ToS by blizzard for what I know.

It's really worth paying some candy-cash for (10$ for quality and security inlcuding a nice and active author) and for those of you who doesn't know squad about scripting it's like your personal god.

Fog

07-22-2007, 03:37 PM

You're saying that alt, ctrl and shift should work as long as you're only using one computer, yes?

If that's the case, I'm doing something very wrong, because even though I'm only using one computer, it still doesn't work. Any clues as to why?

keyclone

07-22-2007, 10:29 PM

look for today's update and let me know if that helps solve the problem

Fog

07-22-2007, 11:47 PM

look for today's update and let me know if that helps solve the problem

I'll scout the webpage, like a hawk, tracking down it's prey.

Fog

07-23-2007, 12:06 AM

Nope, didn't change anything concerning the modifiers :(

Dandarius

07-29-2007, 07:37 AM

is it posible to make the 2.char loot the corpse or do i have to change windos all ethe time?
thx for all answers

MrLonghair

07-29-2007, 06:34 PM

I'm losing my mind with the jumpy mouse movement I get on the server computer with Synergy (and MultiBox, yes, wireless mouse), is that problem still around with KeyClone?

(edit: I get this even without Synergy active, I now notice, trying Counter-Strike Source out. Haven't done much but dualboxing since installing this computer. Guess this Logitech MX610 didn't take well to falling off the table.)

keyclone

07-30-2007, 01:10 AM

i saw the jumpy mouse problem on another winxp box this weekend. my recommendation would be to disable it in the settings until the problem is resolved.

Bena

07-30-2007, 09:22 AM

question for keyclone users.. are your alt/ctrl/shift buttons working?? I can't seem to get them working. I'm running wow instances minimized and only the main window picks up ctrl-q key presses not the background onse.

keyclone

07-30-2007, 10:23 AM

yes, passing the shift/alt/ctrl is an issue as documented on the website...

it is being addressed and hopefully resolved shortly.

keyclone

07-30-2007, 10:03 PM

pegasus00000

07-30-2007, 10:20 PM

if anyone was interested in Blizzard's take on this.. here is a thread from their forums:

Q: Keyclone legal for 2 boxing?
A: Yes, as long as you are in control of all the characters at once and isn't fully automated you're fine.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=69989F5C3E3FDE732AE1D066306 B64EB?topicId=328516670&sid=1

There are no official words from Blizzard regarding Keyclone, Krypter who posted the above answer is not a Blizzard staff. Keyclone is in the same gray area as AutoHotKey. The best method is through hardware using mouse and keyboard strokes.

deadarcher

07-30-2007, 11:15 PM

Lol keyclone, was that you replying as 'clonedaddy'?

keyclone

07-30-2007, 11:35 PM

:D

i have beer on my mind...
http://www.winostuff.com/BeerStuff/Images/homer2.gif
http://www.blech-schilder.de/a916.jpg

(bad, bad clonedaddy... bad)

deadarcher

07-30-2007, 11:46 PM

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20316281&sid=1&pageNo=2

haha! even posting on that old topic today! shame on you!

'yea, i can't wait to do this and that with keyclone woooooo!'

keyclone

07-31-2007, 09:51 AM

fyi.. newbuild ready:

update to version v1.3d build 31jul2007a

improved the alt/ctrl/shift handling. hopefully with better results. Just install over your existing version.

*snip*

i had a rant on SendInput and microsoft... but i thought better of it. ;)

need to run to work. PM me with your thoughts/feelings/drug-addled-inspirations and let me know what you need.

Runiat

07-31-2007, 10:30 AM

let me know what you need.
Could do with a brandy.

Bena

07-31-2007, 12:23 PM

nice one!.. gonna try it out when I get home..

madsteintist

07-31-2007, 02:56 PM

fyi.. newbuild ready:

update to version v1.3d build 31jul2007a

improved the alt/ctrl/shift handling. hopefully with better results. Just install over your existing version.

When you intall over an older version I assume your saved hotstring files and do not pass keys will be intact, is that correct?

keyclone

07-31-2007, 03:06 PM

yes, only files being installed are the dlls and the exe (all within the keyclone area... no files installed outside of that area)
the keymaps and settings will remain untouched.

Mannyman

07-31-2007, 07:16 PM

Putting in a request for round robin hotstrings:)

keyclone

07-31-2007, 07:32 PM

yup..was wondering when that one would pop up...

note: round-robin hotstrings, check

Matt007

08-01-2007, 09:48 AM

Still now working Ctrl, Alt or Shift. I don't think, that this is because of german OS! Have deactivated all Protection-Software. Do i have to do any setup to get this to work or will this work with basic setup?

Just one question to Mouseclick support. Means that, if i click on position 100,100 (x,y) on master WoW Window this click will be done simulated on the same positions at the client windows?

keyclone

08-01-2007, 11:13 AM

re: ctrl/alt/shift
i believe i may have solved this issue when using hotstrings... regularly passed keys still have the issue as far as i know. and no, it's probably not your german os.. and pls, do not de-activate your protection software (anti-virus? firewall??), just allow keyclone to talk with the other keyclones on other local boxes. you can specify the port they talk thru, so only open that port.

on a separate note... while in game, you should be able to run with minimal anit-virus software active (remember to re-activate it when you are done), as you are not receiving emails or browsing the web (i use an alternate box for my reference)... and a hardware firewall is always better then software.. reduces the load on your system and doesn't allow the bad bandwidth to even touch your machine

re: mouse click
yes... clicking 100x100 would pass that click to the clones... but right now, wow is activating upon click... not sure how to resolve at this point. works fine for notepad and paintbrush... just de-activate it in the setup if its driving you nuts

and yes, both are on the to-do list

Los

08-04-2007, 12:23 PM

Having problems that sometimes 2 of my toons (mostly the same, unfortunatly its also my priest going banana's) will runn off, they do have the /follow still active cant figure out what the problem is :|.

Finally i need to kill one of the copies and be granted a dr watson error because keyclone cant send data anymore to the certain resource. Can you trap those errors a bit better if possible, those errors are very very nasty to deal with when trying to keep the group together :).

Also, a bit more info on all the features of keyclone would be nice, I think I hardly use it to the fullest of its potential

ps sorry for the bad english, bad headache cant focus

Shogun

08-04-2007, 12:52 PM

Getting the same problems Los outlined above, along with some unrelated errors with my main PC (hardware and software problems that happen outside of KC or even WoW...) Don't happen that often though, and I have managed to salvage the "running toon" before now by mashing "auto run" and the movement keys til it behaves itself :)

keyclone

08-05-2007, 03:46 AM

re: running away
i use to have that problem until i added the auto-run key to the do-not-pass list. after that, i only got that problem in bad bandwidth situations (really a lag issue at that point)

re: dr watson
you got a crash from keyclone when a window crashed? odd. i'll look into it.

btw, watch the website for some updates. i am adding a FAQ and maybe a tutorial section for keyclone users. i'm hoping this will clarify some of the issues. i am also spending tomorrow on keyclone updates/bug fixes. (damn list keeps growing ;) )

please send any FAQ style questions to me and i'll add them to the list. once i start putting the tutorial together, any feedback will help the newbies a lot.

Los

08-05-2007, 05:11 AM

Xzin

08-05-2007, 05:37 AM

Can't you reassign the auto run key to something more practical, like a mouse button? That's what I do. Either that or mouse wheel up.

Los

08-05-2007, 07:28 AM

I have that, its bound to one of the thumb buttons of my logitech mouse on the main machine (run 1 wow on my main rig, 4 on the second one). I really dont understand why 2 of the toons start wondering about. Ill remove the autowalk on the others and see what happends. Also its not all the time, usually its all of a sudden that they start running about.

Bena

08-05-2007, 01:42 PM

I got the 'run aways' usually when pressing the alt and self buffing my main. Pressing alt a few times in quick succession and I usually hear dinging from the background windows and the group starts running away. Can be really frustrating when you're in a middle of elites :x

I know Keyclone is looking into the alt/shift/ctrl support so hopefully this will get resolved. The only other thing that I can suggest is to possibly be able to add alt/shift/ctrl to 'do not pass' list. Right now it won't let you just press alt.. in the window; you have to press alt+key.

On a separate note.. how does round-robin work? When I set my space to be on it I thought pressing once will do my main window, pressing again will do 2nd client, etc. Right now I have to press once for main, to pass again I have to tap twice, to 3rd client I have to tap three times. I thought it would cycle the clients with each tap.

btw I'm running 5 wow clients (4 minimized) on a single machine.

keyclone

08-06-2007, 03:31 AM

i just posted a new version of keyclone on the website, v1.4 build 06aug2007a

round robin should be working again with normal keys.

i also believe the extended keys (alt/ctrl/shift) should be in place (unable to test properly at the moment.. feedback via PM would be appreciated)

the website is also updated. feedback is most welcome (along with additional FAQ style questions). anyone have a video of a 5+ keyclone clan, send it over and it could make the main page.

on the to-do list:

o hotstrings are not working with round robin at this point
o bug in keymap when saving a file with bad extension (P1)
o mouse clicks behave badly with wow during multi-instancing
o need to add 'auto-connect' option to keyclones, or at least remember the last ip:port
o right-click menu needs to work better with remote clones (lots of changes)

if you have anything to add to the list, please send me a PM and i'll tack it on.

have fun,

Rob

aurelieshagwell

08-06-2007, 06:48 AM

Round robin still isnt working for me in 1.4a.

Repeatedly hammering keys assigned to round robin still ocassionally sets off the action bound to the key in one of the window but on 20 keystrokes, one window will radomly go off.

The spell doesn't even go off in the window I have selected and active and I am still getting a windows ding with every key press.

keyclone

08-06-2007, 09:34 AM

should be happier now. wow required a special bit o' something extra.

aurelieshagwell

08-06-2007, 11:40 AM

Bingo! Working perfectly.

Thanks :) Off I go to catch up on some of those instance quests.

Bena

08-06-2007, 02:15 PM

ctrl key is still only recognized in the main window.. other clients don't detect it

keyclone

08-06-2007, 02:48 PM

ctrl key is still only recognized in the main window.. other clients don't detect it
other clients on the same machine or on other machines? (ctrl key should be recognized on the same machine)

Bena

08-06-2007, 03:46 PM

sorry should have been clearer.. other clients running on same pc that are minimized. I've tried having two windows to see if the background one picks up the ctrl-q key press but only the main one shows it pressed.

K9Justice

08-07-2007, 01:57 PM

After spending hours on AHK and still not getting anywhere, I broke down and bought Keyclone since it was on $10.

So far so good.

It is doing what I wanted AHK to do. Just simply allow me to play 2 games of WoW simultaneously and I haven't had to do squat to get it to work. So far...

Now, the very basics are working automatically but something I need is the ability to use mouse-look for camera view and directional movement. I hate looking like a bot and using the keyboard to turn. Plus it is very unfunctional if I decided to bring my 2 toons into the PvP world.

Now I see the feature for "pass mouse clicks" but doesn't seem to have the desired impact I want. Basically I am trying to get my 2 toons to be directly on top of one another and to move exactly the same at the same time. Now I understand there are some delay issues but my problem is that my guys are running off in 2 different directions.

Also...for $10 you would think you would have a support forum on your own website.

keyclone

08-07-2007, 04:01 PM

i use a wow /follow macro and when i move, i hit that and they follow me.
i also use the left+right mouse click-hold in wow to steer/drive. combined with the /follow, it works pretty well.

my next trick was to bind certain keys to various movements. i was triple boxing last night and one of the first things i normally do is bind a key to use to spread the clones out, and pull them back in. i used F12 to spread out and F11 to pull them in.

so.. i would go to the left clone, key bindings, and set strafe left secondary key to F12. on the right clone, i would set F12 for the strafe right. this would spread them out. (push and hold to watch them run). i did the same, but in reverse, for pulling them in using F11. the effect was like a -/+ combination.

so.. in using it.. i would hit follow... double mouse button drive to the enemy, hit F12 briefly, then a back arrow (puts my main next to the others)... click on target, hit my /assist key, then fire. dead target.

i also do pass the turn left/right keys so when i need to, i just spin them and keep firing. it does require you to un-learn using keys to steer, as they would fall off follow

fyi... 3 on one laptop at the same time. 1G system memory, 1.5GHz cpu w/ 64M grfx mem.. pretty low end these days. only problem was the crappy local bandwidth, but that's a different problem

i was also thinking it'd be nice to add a trigger for mouse up... so when i click, it would automatically push a key for me... in this case, the key associated with /assist. that would be nice... hmmm

K9Justice

08-07-2007, 04:20 PM

Nice...ok...now I see some things to do. Your experince with your program helps.

Actually I think this last post of your is more informative than all the others of yours and I have read pretty much everything.

I know I can run a lot of games but since I only have 3 accounts I have never tried more than 3 on this 1 machine.

Stabface

08-07-2007, 11:02 PM

The passing of ALT/CTRL/SHIFT keys doe not seem to be working correctly. I tested this out on 2 clients running on 1 machine - I have = key set up as Life Tap and ALT-= setup as Demon Skin. When I press ALT-= it seems to try and activate BOTH hotkeys on my non-primary machine, which fires off Life Tap only. And it makes the generic Windows "you can't do that" sound for some reason (I have sound off on both clients).

Tried replacing ALT with SHIFT and CTRL but still does the same behavior.

l0de

08-09-2007, 11:03 AM

Hey I 'upgraded' to keyclone 1.4a and it doesn't work now, I was using 1.3 something.

Keystrokes are being transmit ok among one of my machines (using 3 instances of wow) but are not being transmit across the network to the other machine (two instances)

Does anyone know where I can get a link to the old version? I really wish the author had links to them on his page. Also sad he hasn't got shift\ctrl working between machines yet.

l0de

08-09-2007, 11:07 AM

update, found an old version on a desktop, installing. If anyone else has the same problem I can send you the 1.3 version

Braggon

08-10-2007, 01:50 AM

Hey IOde. same problem here. i cant transmit between pc's. I like the 1.3 myself. Thanks

Fog

08-10-2007, 02:00 AM

After hours of trying, I still haven't found a way to get the extended keys to work =/ I've tried in both 1.3 and 1.4.

Any tips or suggestions, because I might very well be a complete moron, doing something wrong.

Stabface

08-10-2007, 03:28 AM

I know keyclone is working on the alt/shift/ctrl problem. We went back and forth with some PMs a couple days ago on it. But no updates yet, just a little patience is all we need :)

Drakkun

08-11-2007, 03:05 AM

I was trying out Keyclone tonight for the first time. I'm having something weird happening.

I can get default keybinds to work like spacebar for jump, navigation keys, etc. But any keys that I bind to a bar or with the mod BindPad for macros, the keys don't work. The button on the bar gets a white box around it but it doesn't activate the spell/macro.

I tried binding letters, function keys, numpad keys, none of them worked when the key was bound to a button on the bar or through bindpad.

Two computers, single WoW on each.

Any suggestions?

keyclone

08-11-2007, 03:16 AM

after a quick google, it sounds like bindpad is doing something with keymapping. try disabling it and see if you can get the normal action bar working (1 for attack, 2 for fireball, etc)

Drakkun

08-11-2007, 12:29 PM

I started fresh, deleted WTF folder, removed all addons, and created new characters.

I can still get all key presses to work in sync with commands that are not bound to a bar. Like F1 for selecting the first player in the party, space bar makes both characters jump, etc. But it will not issue any command for a key that is bound to a button on a toolbar. I used the default 1, 2, 3, 4 that is on the normal WoW bar. None of them work on the cloned computer. It just highlights the button with a white border.

keyclone

08-11-2007, 03:58 PM

after working through some inter-machines connectivity issues with Braggon, i have decided to roll keyclone back to v1.3d.

If you are having any difficulties with v1.4a, please download and install v1.3d.

thanks again to Braggon for helping me work through it.

Drakkun

08-11-2007, 08:43 PM

Thanks for rolling back, 1.3d works with keys bound to bars. I am now fully using your program to control two WoW's. One on my desktop and the other on my laptop. And my laptop is running Vista and it works so far.

Thanks again.

seanwcom

08-11-2007, 09:17 PM

Hey, I had a thought while using KC last night... right now you have the ability to effectively blacklist keys ('do-not-pass'), meaning you don't pass certain keys to both windows. I'd actually prefer to go the other way and have a whitelist - block all keys, and only send certain specified keys.

I've been messing with AHK and KC and right now I'm using AHK because I only have a need to pass in hotbar stuff (1 through 0, alt-1 through alt-0, etc).

Anyhow, just a thought for ya KeyClone. :)

Treesong

08-12-2007, 03:41 AM

I just purchased Keyclone and it does not seem to work with the 3 EQ instances that I am running with WinEQ2 right now. Was this app meant to work with Everquest or did I just do something stupid? :D

I added the three windows, then tried pressing a few keys but nothing happened in the other instances.

Thanks for any help!

keyclone

08-12-2007, 04:20 AM

fyi... new keyclone posted to the site.

http://www.solidice.com/keyclone/keyclone_v1.5_12aug2007a.exe

o extended keys should now be working. please test and confirm on your various setups.
o round robin also working
o hotstrings working better; now down and up instead of just up
o fixed a couple of setup box crashes (when removing items, with none selected)
o disabled mouse passing
o removed command panel (for now)
o added 'last connected' to connection edit (will populate with last address)

let me know how it goes.

tjuren

08-12-2007, 05:47 AM

Hi,

Do-not-pass doesnt work for me with 2 wow in windowmode on one computer.

Passing all keys, even them in the list.

Anyone got an ide how to get it to work with G15 keyboard and G keys ?

//T

keyclone

08-12-2007, 10:50 AM

posted an update for the do-not-pass (it was pretty late...).

http://solidice.com/keyclone/keyclone_v1.5a_12aug2007a.exe

i have spoken with people that have had the G15 working. to test to see if keyclone will recognize the keys, bring up the setup dialog, click on the round-robin or do-not-pass panel. then click in the 'key' area below the list. then hit one of your G keys. if keyclone recognizes it, it should appear as whatever key sequence you have attached to that key.

Bena

08-12-2007, 10:56 AM

ctrl/alt/shift don't work for me.. tested with 1 computer and two wow windows

edit*

Also having trouble saving out the keymap setups. I go to Setup->keymap editor and fill in the keys/hotstrings but when I click save nothing happends. What is the procedure to save them out? I thought I could get the modifier keys to work through the hotstrings.

Stabface

08-12-2007, 05:53 PM

I confirm that CTRL/ALT/SHIFT still do not work for me in WoW. I tried for example CTRL-TAB which is "Target Nearest Friend" and binding ALT+1 to an action bar button, neither work. However, it is also no longer passing the non-special key to the other WoW windows either - previously if you tried CTRL-TAB it would send TAB to the windows that do not have focus. It no longer does this.. so it seems its partially fixed at least.