Warrior Bladestorm + Rogue FOK

[Gares]

ok so heres the deal. Do these gets better? The rogue I can handle unless he's smart and BE then sometimes its a pain and I'll lose someone.

Warriors doing Bladestorm though I really don't know what to do except attempt a TS before they do it (Which almost never works) other then that I lay down the magma totems/flameshock and attempt to ghost wolf run away but they always seem to keep up to my followers pretty much wasting them. Does it get any better with alot more res?

Thoughts? I'm not just talking in an arena fashion but just pvp in general.

[heyaz]

Gets better at maybe 20k hp and 600+ resilience. They're still ridiculously overpowered gimmick talents.

Lately I have been frost shocking warriors while they run in, or somehow putting them in combat to prevent the charge. My pally will stun the warrior sometimes as well, and I'll try to get the TS off immediately. Otherwise I pop bloodlust and spam heals for a bit. It depends on the warrior though, some will stand in one place and you can blow them up.

Fan of knives is another story. It poisons everyone, so we can't move, can't cast, wound poison, everything else. And it hits like a track, all the while the rogue is probably cloaked.

Once you have enough stam/resil though, you should be able to handle one or the other, but both is going to be difficult to get away from. I've heard people ghost wolf and run from a spinning warrior, but that never works. Your back 3 shaman continue to get owned, and that's assuming you haven't been piercing howled, frozen, or god knows what.

[Tasty]

I still maintain that bladestorm must be broken because it does absurd damage :p

[Tdog]

Fortnately I have 5x paladins so bladestorm doesn't do too much damage. But that said i still will switch to the warrior and burst his ass down.

On my shamans the best thing I can tell you is to simply have a spread out macro and spread the hell out then start healing whichever shaman he is sticking with, after he is done FS+LB that A-hole into oblivion. Actually come to think about it,this is what I do for all melee that are exceptional pains in the butt and when TS is on CD.

Edit: For Rogue's FoK on my shaman team I always have poison cleansing totem on my pvp totem sequence so that takes care of that.

[Dominian]

You need better gear its pretty simple realy, and ofc a good healer! :)

With my gear i barley notice warriors anymore and 9/10 is too brain dead to use mortal strike first. In most cases warriors arent a problem unless they outgear me by far... If they trouble you in bgs use em/fs/lvb!

FoK rogues are annoying but not deadly when they come alone, imp FoK rogues is supposed to be a pain but i never faced them!

I die to singel target damage now i havent lost a arena in 100 games due to aoe damage, thoose who tried have failed each time! :)

[asonimie]

warrior bladestorm = free kill on the warrior, considering he cant use any defenses.

[Gares]

I guess the best advice here is "Get better gear" lol.

*Hops back into game for more honor farming*

[Mokoi]

yeah, see a warrior in BGs or in arena, flame shock x4 him and then drop your 4 nova totems, if he bladestorms, I WIN button his ass and if that doesn't kill him the nova's will.

you need gear to pull this off, a full res war can take 8 LB and 4 LvB with one heal XD

[Kruschpakx4]

I WIN button his ass and if that doesn't kill him the nova's will.



And if nova doesn't kill him, hand mounted pyro rocket will!!

[Gares]

I was thinking about that but at what engineering do you get it and how much would it really cost to do that X 4?

[asonimie]

Im sorry, but I dont agree with going engineering to get the pyro-rocket as an addition to our burst, mainly because of the GCD issue. The IWIN button takes long enough to get off already, and instead of the 3rd spell global being used to cast rocket, in the same amount of time the third spell can be CL, giving you more guaranteed dmg +chance to proc/crit. Not to mention you have to sacrafice overall spelldmg from gloves enchant anyway to get the rocket, slightly gimping yourself in the process. I much prefer my +stats from JC and Enchanting on my shamans as I truly believe these are the best 2 profs to min/max yourself for 5v5.... although i will admit they are 1, if not 2 of the toughest profs to level.

I say this so people looking to level professions (clarification: IF YOU ARE LOOKING TO MAX URSELF FOR 5v5!!), don't get fooled into going down the engineering route because it sounds like another addition to the Iwin button, its not imo. I much prefer my +38-39 spellpower (per profession).

Best thing you can do is sit down, and plan out what is the best for you. Read up and do the math before spending any gold. I prefer dependable, constant stats/dps - so I went with +SP from profs. If you think you'll use the rocket for other reasons, go for it!

Just my 2 cents.

[Extreme]

the rockets are not on the global cd and do more damage than an activated +spellpower trinket + EM instantlavaburst.
you can use the rockets with your EM instantlavaburst at the same time and they can crit for ~2,4k (depends on resilence)
and you can blow up a rogue with low health even if he had cloak of shadows activated, the rockets go instant through this fucking cloak in the face of this damn rogue :DD (with other words: he cant resist the pyro rockets with cloak of shadows)
i payed ~ 7k gold for engineering 1-425 on my 4 toons but you only need 400 for the pyrorockets. i love them couse they are not on the global cd and have only 45sec cooldown so you can kill another low life target for example with frostshock+pyrorockets
and the best: you can cast the pyrorockets while you are in ghostwolf and the pyrorockets have 45yards range :D

[Gares]

What about that lightning capacitor Trinket as well?

http://thottbot.com/i41121

This any good still to have as a trinket?

[asonimie]

the rockets are not on the global cd and do more damage than an activated +spellpower trinket + EM instantlavaburst.
you can use the rockets with your EM instantlavaburst at the same time and they can crit for ~2,4k (depends on resilence)
and you can blow up a rogue with low health even if he had cloak of shadows activated, the rockets go instant through this fucking cloak in the face of this damn rogue :DD (with other words: he cant resist the pyro rockets with cloak of shadows)
i payed ~ 7k gold for engineering 1-425 on my 4 toons but you only need 400 for the pyrorockets. i love them couse they are not on the global cd and have only 45sec cooldown so you can kill another low life target for example with frostshock+pyrorockets
and the best: you can cast the pyrorockets while you are in ghostwolf and the pyrorockets have 45yards range :DOk well every post I've seen about the pyro-rocket says they eat a GCD. So I'll have to do some more lookin around to make sure of this.

EDIT: Talked to some engineers, think I got it clarified. So you can use it with any spell/macro. BUT it shares a GCD with clickable trinkets and other engineering items. So I would have to drop my 440spellpower burst trinket from each guy, plus losing the 28spellpower from gloves. I know a 2k guaranteed hit would be nice, but sacrificing 468 spellpower per toon is still considerable, if you think about the fact that most of my damage in those first 20seconds is lightning/shocks.

Ugh. I'll have to do the math on this some more, and test it out on an alt perhaps. Main thing I would love it for is finishing off warlocks who are usually at 30% health after my burst because of nether prot, but F droping max ench/JC if it is only a small upgrade in dmg.

[Fat Tire]

the rockets are not on the global cd and do more damage than an activated +spellpower trinket + EM instantlavaburst.
you can use the rockets with your EM instantlavaburst at the same time and they can crit for ~2,4k (depends on resilence)
and you can blow up a rogue with low health even if he had cloak of shadows activated, the rockets go instant through this fucking cloak in the face of this damn rogue :DD (with other words: he cant resist the pyro rockets with cloak of shadows)
i payed ~ 7k gold for engineering 1-425 on my 4 toons but you only need 400 for the pyrorockets. i love them couse they are not on the global cd and have only 45sec cooldown so you can kill another low life target for example with frostshock+pyrorockets
and the best: you can cast the pyrorockets while you are in ghostwolf and the pyrorockets have 45yards range :DOk well every post I've seen about the pyro-rocket says they eat a GCD. So I'll have to do some more lookin around to make sure of this.

EDIT: Talked to some engineers, think I got it clarified. So you can use it with any spell/macro. BUT it shares a GCD with clickable trinkets and other engineering items. So I would have to drop my 440spellpower burst trinket from each guy, plus losing the 28spellpower from gloves. I know a 2k guaranteed hit would be nice, but sacrificing 468 spellpower per toon is still considerable, if you think about the fact that most of my damage in those first 20seconds is lightning/shocks.

Ugh. I'll have to do the math on this some more, and test it out on an alt perhaps. Main thing I would love it for is finishing off warlocks who are usually at 30% health after my burst because of nether prot, but F droping max ench/JC if it is only a small upgrade in dmg.Usually that is why people dont use clickable trinkets when they are going to use Hand Rockets. WG/Death is good combo and WG/BM is also ok(only hit it when you need to) there are a ton of trinkets where you dont have to hit the trinket that are better overall than the one you have to activate.