If you are going to moderate, then please remove the Moorea insult post from the hardware forum

[ThisIsDrakul]

Why remove other posts and not this piece of crap?

Or is there a good reason?

The thread is useful.....why should he get flamed for it?







Easy to prove; go to Darlen and look at your HDD light. Light off in someplace where there are no people (look at wall) FPS is high. Turn and look at people HHD light starts blinking big time and FPS is low. See for yourself.


I don't know how to say that in a way that won't be perceived as inflammatory but I think it's a diservice to newbies not to :

There should really be a disclaimer on all/most sam's post "I have no idea what I'm talking about but I'll pretend I'm an expert anyway - I will assert as fact what is just my typically ill informed guess"

Have you ever been to dalaran Sam ? So why are you advising people about solving dalaran lag, possibly spending hundreds on "solutions" ?

Next you'll be advising people on how to best boost/level... oh wait you did already...

[Enndo]

That thread is a good read, and even if he was kinda negative focusing only on one persons post, the argument over the original topic is still valid and worth reading so people can come to their own conclusions or at least get inspired to do their own testing.

[ThisIsDrakul]

The point is that as soon as the OP starts anything of value the same kids jump on him......they do it because he doesn't conform to their idea of 'normal'.....

Very unpleasent indeed.......

I don't think the post quoted adds anything at all......nobody is going to go for the proposed solution without a knowledge and research. (If this is wrong, then please find me the person)

[Svpernova09]

I didn't remove Moorea's post because I do believe people should have a bit of warning before heeding any of Sam's advice.

[ThisIsDrakul]

I didn't remove Moorea's post because I do believe people should have a bit of warning before heeding any of Sam's advice.

Good grief!!!!

ah well....I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

asked and answered I guess.....

Keep up the good work

[Redbeard]

Some people here have a bias against Sam from previous experiences with him / what hes posted here.

That being said... I didn't see anything wrong with the response you linked.

[ThisIsDrakul]

Some people here have a bias against Sam from previous experiences with him / what hes posted here.

That being said... I didn't see anything wrong with the response you linked.

Oh! Really?


There should really be a disclaimer on all/most sam's post "I have no idea what I'm talking about but I'll pretend I'm an expert anyway - I will assert as fact what is just my typically ill informed guess"

Of course this sort of comment in an interesting, proactive, non-flaming thread is fine.....I must have been mistaken.

Sam knows a hell of a lot more than the kid posting thats for sure

All is fine then.....

[Jubber]

I do feel that Sam's posts gets shot down or an unneeded red flag quite often on this forum almost to the point that it feels like discrimination. I don't care for the guy myself but to me thats almost worst than a ban.

[Chranny]

Personally I added him to my ignore list so I really couldn't care less for what he has to say. But I do have one question though for the OP; Why make a thread about this and not just PM on of the Admins? Or is there a reason why you need this to be in public?

[ThisIsDrakul]

The thread was moderated........

What is left now is not representative of the posts...

I am glad that the mods response is public.

[Svpernova09]

I do feel that Sam's posts gets shot down or an unneeded red flag quite often on this forum almost to the point that it feels like discrimination. I don't care for the guy myself but to me thats almost worst than a ban.It's uncommon for such action to happen against a thread or a poster unless it was reported. in this case there was MULTIPLE posts reported. So action was taking. This is not a case of moderator discrimination, this is a case of a community informing the mods that something is wrong. I don't discriminate against anyone, I'm fully open to giving ANYONE a fair shot to be heard. Case in point? I agreed with Moorea's post when I have a history of disagreeing and modding Moorea's comments. Please don't scream discrimination when you've no idea of the background of why someone (or their posts) draws moderator attention. If you feel something is done in error, please bring it up, lets discuss things. But calling discrimination is a bit far. If I truly wanted to discriminate, I'd start throwing around bans, but I'm not because I'm just here to keep the peace and hopefully do what I can to make people's experiences here better.

[Svpernova09]

The thread was moderated........

What is left now is not representative of the posts...

I am glad that the mods response is public.I have no qualms about making my moderation justifications public, I hope it shows the logic and thought process I try to achieve when I mod stuff.







/now where did I put the caffeine.

[Jubber]

Let's back up a bit.

I didn't mean for my statement to point fingers at the moderators and I apologize if it offended any of you. I am not saying anyone is actually discriminating against Sam. I indicated it feels almost like discrimination whether by community or moderator. Again I apologize if it came off that way. I am not trying to cry wolf. I understand Sam's history for posts. What I meant to convey, was that Sam's posts , whether founded or unfounded, are almost immediately shot down, bickered, flamed, or whatever. This is in no way purely by the moderators distaste or dislike for him, I understand. His posts get reported if they go off track or whatever.

I have negative views about Sam myself, don't get me wrong there. But I don't hate the guy or think he is bad by any means.

I guess I just don't like seeing how he is being treated is all. I just think his treatment by community is almost worse off than those of Tims/Evilseeds ban, even though those were for different reasons. It feels like he's getting the really really short end of the stick.

[Svpernova09]

Let's back up a bit.

I didn't mean for my statement to point fingers at the moderators and I apologize if it offended any of you. I am not saying anyone is actually discriminating against Sam. I indicated it feels almost like discrimination whether by community or moderator. Again I apologize if it came off that way. I am not trying to cry wolf. I understand Sam's history for posts. What I meant to convey, was that Sam's posts , whether founded or unfounded, are almost immediately shot down, bickered, flamed, or whatever. This is in no way purely by the moderators distaste or dislike for him, I understand. His posts get reported if they go off track or whatever.

I have negative views about Sam myself, don't get me wrong there. But I don't hate the guy or think he is bad by any means.

I guess I just don't like seeing how he is being treated is all. I just think his treatment by community is almost worse off than those of Tims/Evilseeds ban, even though those were for different reasons. It feels like he's getting the really really short end of the stick.No worries at all.

[Lokked]

I've decided to submit this as a PM.

[ThisIsDrakul]

I agreed with Moorea's post


This what he agreed with


There should really be a disclaimer on all/most sam's post "I have no idea what I'm talking about but I'll pretend I'm an expert anyway - I will assert as fact what is just my typically ill informed guess"

This is why it should be public.


Please don't scream discrimination
Yar......all is clear

And the problem is.....this is just completely incorrect. Sam's thoughts ARE WORTH KNOWING about PC performance.

But the mod agrees with the flamer.....so its ok......

Fine.....

[Enndo]

Wow man you just go on and on, if your trying to troll take it to the WoW forums and have a blast with the rest of the trolls.

[Svpernova09]

Wow man you just go on and on, if your trying to troll take it to the WoW forums and have a blast with the rest of the trolls.^^ I agree with Enndoh on this one, it seems clear you're cherry picking what you're reading, instead of the entire posts. That's fine, do as you wish, but I consider this topic dead.



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[ThisIsDrakul]

:) :) :)

[Moorea]

I don't think think it's an insult to point out the fact that sam has a history of claiming for facts things he has no clue about. he theorycrafts a lot, based on wrong assumption and no understanding and no experience of the game and you can see the results in wow (3x RAF, 10 months, to get a handful of toons to 60, his highest being a 61 mage with +8 agility dagger... etc...) yet he continues to brag and brag about wonderful copyrighted theories and wonderful hardware solutions - I just guess that if his hardware advice is even remotely like his wow play it needs to be warned against before people spend money following them...

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_VMUAeYUcLwc/SiAaiYvOSLI/AAAAAAAAAJg/CJ1J9K-x3_U/s800/samdeathfeat1.jpg ('http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/StTZ5v5ULP8TKeJjHrUnQA?feat=embedwebsite')

ps: since I checked last sam got his 10 months old pally "main" to 62, woot... grats... need 6 computers with wow in memory for that


About sam getting the short end of the stick; I think people are amazingly patient and tolerant of his behavior actually... there should be a limit of how much bragging and cluelessness one is allowed to exhibit (and I'm sure some feel the same about me; it's all relative/in the eye of the beholder :-) ) overall I think sam's contributions; including the "drama" *he* generates are a negative contribution - I wouldn't mind it if it was free for all and it could be clearly shown in signature or avatar or "quality" rating for people coming new to the site to know to ignore/take with a huge grain of salt what he says authoritatively - I guess I'll stop responding to his threads and hopefully someone else can point out diplomatically the next time he "contributes" when it's not based on any actual experience - hopefully no newcomer will get mislead...

[Frosty]

I don't think think it's an insult to point out the fact that sam has a history of claiming for facts things he has no clue about.
Not that I had a problem with it, but mabye if you made it more of a Fuzzy-Warm-Kitten disclaimer it wouldn't offend anyone.
Damn, now I've gone and offened the Fuzzy-Warm-Kittens! :S

My point to the OP of this thread, someone will always have a problem with what someone else says no matter how they word it.
When your reputation proceeds you in a negative way, these types of responses are going to be seen more often from people who have been impacted by dealing with it in the past.

I'm not bothered one way or the other by Sam-Death-Walker's ( aka Spam-Death-Talker ) posts as I skip/tune out things that don't interest me or I don't find useful. (I'm married and have lots of practice at it! :P ).

[ThisIsDrakul]

Problem is....people behave badly, then home in on a rational part of the bad behavior and think it makes it ok. The flame post had no place in that thread and the mods ignored the bad behavior becuase they thought something about the general theme was reasonable.

For me, because of Moorea's previous behavior, I tend to take an acrimonius position when he steps out of line, similar to other people's treatment of sam. (Hypocritical, moi?)

I am not part of any sam fan club. I just tolerate eccentricity and non-conformity better than you. I think it is a quality. you obviously don't
sam is certainly no more arrogant than a lot of people on this forum, but because they conform, they are given freedom to roam.

I guess I do like him though. He is interesting and makes me laugh.

I could say more about intolerance, but I suspect it would lead to an even more unpleasant thread. so I won't

[keyclone]

You are obviously of the "sam fan boi club". you and the other haters being in the "sam troll club"...

[keyclone]

i have read sam's threads. and no, i am not prejudging him by the "EQ community" and whatever happened there. i do not care.

you bringing that animosity here is a problem, and just causes more drama.

if his posts are crap... then people will disregard them and his 'value' will drop. following up every post he makes with some snide or rude comment does not help the community and devalues the community spirit as a whole

[keyclone]

No, you're just in the Fursphere hate club. I have no problem with that. fursphere hate club? hardly. haters hate club... well... yea, i probably am

[wendalf]

I have been a member of these forums for a little over a year now and I have read a ton of threads about Sam and whatnot. The fact of the matter is, Moorea could have simply said, "I disagree, please do not spend money without doing any of your own research" and then posted his opinion on the technology.

I personally have a really good friend who I could not stand for the first year and a half I knew him. Remember that there are some people in this world without filters and because they don't come at us the way we want/expect them to they tend to rub us the wrong way.

[keyclone]

well.. LONG before i was able to recognize any issues with that employee, i would recognize the other employees that were harassing him/her constantly... in the company cafe, outside the bathrooms, in the hallway, in the parking lot... basically anywhere they found him/her.

and i would can ALL of the harassers immediately... if not sooner

that type of unprofessional behavior is just completely unacceptable

[Moorea]

I take objection with my post in question being "harassing" or "insulting" but I will rest my case too and as I said I will ignore Sam flame baits from now on, sadly someone else will fall for it; and AGAIN, WORSE, some noob will take it as face value "professional poster" and end up resenting the d-b.com site as a result (to me it's almost similar to the tim issue at this point)

Anyway... have fun :-)

[Redbeard]

If he is being hurtful to this community through arrogance and incorrect information why don't you just ban him? It would be a more elegant solution than to have to read the countless anti-sam posts.

For every 1 post he makes we have to read 10 "man sam is wrong" posts. Regardless of whether he is or not, Rob nailed it... the haters drown out the initial post 100%.

And for the record, im not in ANY clubs.

[X-Ifist]

tbh it looks like Moorea is stalking sam:o
hes in evry post he make, he know what hes wearing creapy...

but seriusly
3 random post he made in Unable to destroy....


whatever... you're hopeless... have fun...

ps: I win my bet that your lowest won't be more than 45 before end of your second raf - my next bet is you'll never reach 80x26 but even if you do it'll take years to loose this bet





LOL... shells with levels... ahah ... how many toon you have with 300+ skills... let's see... a total of 0 in 7 months... Sam you got to realize you're just the worse wow player ever... I guess that's some achievement... not everybody can be so bad yet think so highly of himself... congrats...

[wendalf]

If you have an employee intern that consistently messes up, causes drama with other employees / interns, has no idea what they are talking about relative to the organization and is basically just a "bad fit", what do you do? Keep in mind that this individual has provided NOTHING of benefit to organization. This has been going on for months.

I mean, how far does it have to do before you cut your losses?

Being devil's advocate here but I do not remember reading anything about having to be a good fit or providing anything of benefit to this website when signing up.

Moorea, if you look at Sam's third post on the subject, he clearly says "So for $1500 you have a screaming system with which on paper would have no texture lag." Anyone who actually reads the thread and still spends the money on theory crafting (which is not barred on these forums) deserves to have the money wasted if it does end up being a waste, regardless of who they want to blame.

[Fat Tire]

I want these 5 mins of my life back.

Moderate the fricken heading of the post (this threads contains Sam fanboi and haters, or sam posts) and I never would have clicked on it. This goes for every post, this would be very helpful for everyone on this site. I have no desire to listen to any advice,ideas and anything that comes from that persons mouth (posts). Let the people who dont mind him read his stuff. Hell I have him on ignore but I still read Sam fuckin posts since he trolls everywhere. Makes me not want to come to this site anymore. ;(

[Yamio]

Now that last post is funny. (I don't care who you are)

Are we on our way to another 5 star rated thread? I so look forward to those...

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Folks, y'all should re-read Ellay's NO MO DRAMA ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=21380') thread, especially the part about it not mattering who started what.

[Zub]

meh, nothing new under the sun
- Sam posts something
- Sam-stalkers start saying he's an idiot for posting hardware theorycrafting stuff when he's got an agility staff on his mage
- Blind sheeps say we should ban Sam because obviously he's lowering the quality of the forums
- Moderator comes in and does his best to handle the situation
- people complain about that as well.
As i said, nothing new.

Guys. NO MO DRAMA. if you don't like something, just gfto and go to another thread. FFS it's the haters that derail the threads!

Franky says, No more.

[Svpernova09]

meh, nothing new under the sun
- Sam posts something
- Sam-stalkers start saying he's an idiot for posting hardware theorycrafting stuff when he's got an agility staff on his mage
- Blind sheeps say we should ban Sam because obviously he's lowering the quality of the forums
- Moderator comes in and does his best to handle the situation
- people complain about that as well.
As i said, nothing new.

Guys. NO MO DRAMA. if you don't like something, just gfto and go to another thread. FFS it's the haters that derail the threads!

Franky says, No more.Couldn't have said it better myself.

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