Seriously

[David]

How old are you Svpernova09 ('Svpernova09')?

People make an effort and because you don`t like the creator of software nobody can.. :thumbdown:

[Chranny]

Care to elaborate? Personal attacks are cheesy, personal attacks with no leg to stand on is just stupid. :thumbdown:

[Otlecs]

Svpernova is enforcing a SITE policy that prohibits the advertising and support of products from a specific individual who has significant negative history here.

If you don't like it, the door is over there ->

[Negativ1337]

Yep David, whack indeed.

Im just making a video so people can get an idea of multiple multiboxing software out there so they can choose for themselves wich one they would like to use. I guess this admin is removing/editing all posts/threads about Pwnboxer like its aids.

[Svpernova09]

I'm 28, thanks for asking.

Discussion of Pwnboxer is not allowed here. This has nothing to do with my personal feelings towards the software, it's just not allowed here.



Yep David, whack indeed.

Im just making a video so people can get an idea of multiple multiboxing software out there so they can choose for themselves wich one they would like to use. I guess this admin is removing/editing all posts/threads about Pwnboxer like its aids.Yes I am

because Pwnboxer is EvilSeed / Time / Mousecloner, who has been BANNED FROM THIS COMMUNITY.


Flame me all you want. I'm the one following the rules and taking appropriate actions.

[keyclone]

Svpernova is enforcing a SITE policy that prohibits the advertising and support of products from a specific individual who has significant negative history here.

[shaeman]

Im just making a video so people can get an idea of multiple multiboxing software out there so they can choose for themselves wich one they would like to use. I guess this admin is removing/editing all posts/threads about Pwnboxer like its aids.

Perhaps you should thank the moderators for allowing you to promote your videos here, instead of complaining about the one they didn't.

[Catamer]

I think the poster needs to read the "NO MO DRAMA" policy.

flaming the moderator gets you nothing... but banned.

[Enndo]

If he doesn't like the moderators rulings maybe he should open his own boxing website and promote his stuff there all he wants ;p

[Ellay]

I let things go quite a bit around here, and am pretty laid back. You have to do quite a bit to get a response out of me the likes that product has. There have been tons of cross linking to different sites that have to do with multiboxing that would pull traffic away from here and it doesn't bother me. I built this site for the community, and I protect my community because it is my home away from home. As you can see there are no ads, your not getting spammed with crapola to make money off my users.
The author / his products are not welcome here due to the detrimental effects it has had on this community.

[Negativ1337]

Hey guys,

Alright. From now on my video's will not include his software. I love this community and i don't want to risk to get my forum account banned. I talked to Ellay on MSN and he said its okay for me to post video's but i can't include pwnboxer software.

Kind regards,

Steven from WoWMultiVids

[David]

Thanks for the lovely mature posts.


Perhaps you should thank the moderators for allowing you to promote your videos here, instead of complaining about the one they didn't. Perhaps you should thank him for making the video`s. It helps other people. It`s not like he has a huge personal gain from it.

[shaeman]

Thanks for the lovely mature posts.


Perhaps you should thank the moderators for allowing you to promote your videos here, instead of complaining about the one they didn't. Perhaps you should thank him for making the video`s. It helps other people. It`s not like he has a huge personal gain from it.
And thank you so much for starting it all.

I appreciate Negatives videos. I understand that he is putting effort into making them, and won't get much out of it, but I was just reminding him that being able to do so is a privilege and not a right.

[Otlecs]

>Thanks for the lovely mature posts.

That's a double dose of irony right?

If you had genuinely just wanted to find out why the videos in questions were being moderated away, you would have asked in private. Or you would have made a mature post phrasing the question in a way that didn't contain any form of personal attack, because it simply wasn't warranted.

Instead, you post in emotive terms and are then surprised to see that people who understand the situation rush to defend one of the few active moderators we still have around here.

On the up-side, since it's come up - again - at least more people will be aware of the situation and will hopefully not make the same mistake.

The only thing I would do differently if I was a no-holds-barred moderator is DELETE the threads in question rather than let them keep getting dragged up and giving this ...person... free publicity.

[Svpernova09]

On the up-side, since it's come up - again - at least more people will be aware of the situation and will hopefully not make the same mistake.

The only thing I would do differently if I was a no-holds-barred moderator is DELETE the threads in question rather than let them keep getting dragged up and giving this ...person... free publicity.I'm 100% in favor of a full on delete, BUT, I'm reluctant to delete anything forever, because people can't learn from something that isn't here. I'd much rather lock something, explain why, and let it drop to the bottom. Otherwise you'll still have the same argument of "well I didn't know".

[Ellay]

Perhaps you should thank him for making the video`s. It helps other people. It`s not like he has a huge personal gain from it. The videos linked directly to the products site via an affiliation link, meaning he was getting kick back.

I don't have anything against Negativ, and I very much welcome his video contributions to the site :) we already talked about this. Just stating the obvious.

[David]

Lets just delete this post. Din`t mean to let it become a flamewars. I`m just don`t like the fact that the forum completely bans a program that involves multiboxing.

And I agree I should not have openly attacked svpernova09. It`s just the big red caps reply just before he closes every topic involving this program :rolleyes:

So sorry mister nova :love:

[Svpernova09]

Lets just delete this post. Din`t mean to let it become a flamewars. I`m just don`t like the fact that the forum completely bans a program that involves multiboxing.

And I agree I should not have openly attacked svpernova09. It`s just the big red caps reply just before he closes every topic involving this program :rolleyes:

So sorry mister nova :love:No worries, just understand I don't nuke these threads from orbit on a whim. The reason this application is now allowed is because the author has no regard for the community, that's not the message we're trying to send here. Every author that I've seen come here to support their product is here for the community, not just to make a buck.

[David]

I see and agree now (after reading up old topics on the application). It wasn`t totally my intention to flame you personally, I just wanted to comment on the topic you closed down before I had a chance to say my thing.

[Moorea]

some day we should have some debate on best ways to moderate... and a public and open debate, not a private msg only one

[Svpernova09]

some day we should have some debate on best ways to moderate... and a public and open debate, not a private msg only oneThis place is far too laid back for such a debate, and imo, thats fine, I like laid back.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well no need to state where I stand on this matter.

I was pretty smart at 28 also, but then 38 I had 10 more years of facts and data to draw upon. And at 48 I had 20 more years of facts and data to draw upon. And now at 55 I have more then twice the facts and data to draw upon .....

Its true that recent information is more important then old information but I have the same recent information as eveyrone, plus a buch of less valuable old information as well ....

[KTSid]

Well no need to state where I stand on this matter.

I was pretty smart at 28 also, but then 38 I had 10 more years of facts and data to draw upon. And at 48 I had 20 more years of facts and data to draw upon. And now at 55 I have more then twice the facts and data to draw upon .....

Its true that recent information is more important then old information but I have the same recent information as eveyrone, plus a buch of less valuable old information as well ....

A wise man doesn't consider himself wise. :whistling:

[dwaine]

Its been said before, but I would like to reiterate. an inteligent man learns from his mistakes, A wise man learns from the mistakes of others, Thank you sam for making me wise. :)

[Sam DeathWalker]

I prefer to kill mobs then do quests (and at 5K X 4 plus a pull its kinda pointless to do quests). WoW is designed to allow various play styles the oppotunity to advance, you're not required to quest to advance your characters. If you feel that questing is the way to go (and many do) then none is stopping you from questing.

I prefer a play style that i like over one that feels like a job.

Plus I got excellent advise as to where is the best level 60 grinding spot, and thats where I went.

[Sajuuk]

Plus I got excellent advise as to where is the best level 60 grinding spot, and thats where I went.And some of us are amazed you actually took that advice instead of shaking your loincloth and saying "I'm doing it my way, beches!".

[Moorea]

This is turning into a Sam thread... but on that topic; I didn't see you say you did go to HFP as suggested - did you try the spots I mentioned ? (should be a lot more xp per mob than old world)

[Malekyth]

Did you happen to notice what, yet again, started the decline into a "Sam thread"?
Its funny that you state this - where in the real world you ask for advice and then completely ignore it - over and over again.

I guess all those years have taught you nothing.I'd have more respect for people who are inconvenienced by Sam's posts, if the wound didn't seem to be so often self-inflicted. STOP IT!

[keyclone]

stop trolling, fur

[Nisch]

Yep David, whack indeed.

Im just making a video so people can get an idea of multiple multiboxing software out there so they can choose for themselves wich one they would like to use. I guess this admin is removing/editing all posts/threads about Pwnboxer like its aids.

Just the simple fact that you're in bed with Tim and his software makes you BIASED and in no position to say that you're just out there "to help others"

[Otlecs]

Just the simple fact that you're in bed with Tim and his software makes you BIASED and in no position to say that you're just out there "to help others"
You're going off half-cocked here. He actually posted setup videos for various software options in an attempt to help newcomers out.

[Svpernova09]

Just the simple fact that you're in bed with Tim and his software makes you BIASED and in no position to say that you're just out there "to help others"
You're going off half-cocked here. He actually posted setup videos for various software options in an attempt to help newcomers out.The intent was fine, even appreciated, but the subject matter was that which should not be discussed here. Everything else aside, THIS is why it was removed, not because any mod has ill-will towards the dev, or any other reason people thought. This is not the conspiracy you're looking for.Everyone involved seems to have come to the same agreement and we should probably let this thread die off.

Once more for the record: I hate removing content, but I refuse to allow content from someone who has such a terrible reputation with other mods / site owner. The people you see here that are allowed to advertise their products support the community, they're here for US, and not to just raid our wallets. Not everyone has to agree, not everyone has to get along, but if you're going to be apart of this community you will at least, the VERY least, respect the community.

[Otlecs]

The intent was fine, even appreciated, but the subject matter was that which should not be discussed here [..] we should probably let this thread die off.
Oh, I agree and I thought it was all done and dusted.

But unless Nisch has information that the rest of us don't, the accusation just seems entirely arbitrary and demanding of a response.

[Talamarr]

For someone who doesn't really know the full in-depth story of PwnBoxer (i.e. ME), this whole thing seems a little ridiculous; from both sides. Lets all not take ourselves so seriously; hug your kids, call your mom, make love to your wife and have a steaming hot cup of perspective. You'll live longer ;)

[keyclone]

@Talamarr
there is a history with that author, and it started before dual-boxing.com. db is just his latest target (disrupting/usurping/stealing/selling community websites is his game)

[David]

I respect that DB.com has a policy against them, even tho I cannot totally agree with it due the fact that I had no bad history with the creator of this software.

Therefore it kinda pissed me off how the topics on this application were instantly nuked while I was interested in looking into it (even tho the name is terrible). It got me in a bad moment, bad mood so to say. I flamed a bit, bad idea, sorry for it.

On the other hand. It`s nice that he made a tutorial movie for it. Newcomers should have a chance to check all out before buying one piece of software. In this case it doesn`t go over db.com. People can choose to check the other movies by subscribing to his youtube account and checking all the movies there.

The application itself had some nice functionality but nothing that keyclone or HKN doesn`t have. Those have even more functionality.

And to quote:

For someone who doesn't really know the full in-depth story of PwnBoxer (i.e. ME), this whole thing seems a little ridiculous; from both sides. Lets all not take ourselves so seriously; hug your kids, call your mom, make love to your wife and have a steaming hot cup of perspective. You'll live longer ;) This is how I feel about it. I might not agree with the total ban of the application but I respect the choices made by the mods now.

[Nisch]

Just the simple fact that you're in bed with Tim and his software makes you BIASED and in no position to say that you're just out there "to help others"
You're going off half-cocked here. He actually posted setup videos for various software options in an attempt to help newcomers out.

But he offers a "discount" by using the Multivids "special" link provided by PwnBoxer.

That's not half-cocked, that's working out a deal with Tim/Evilseed to market his software.

[Nisch]

The intent was fine, even appreciated, but the subject matter was that which should not be discussed here [..] we should probably let this thread die off.
Oh, I agree and I thought it was all done and dusted.

But unless Nisch has information that the rest of us don't, the accusation just seems entirely arbitrary and demanding of a response.

You can't see that when the video is titled:

WoWMultiVids.com: Setting up Pwnboxer (Buy now with discount!)

and the link he provides in the video description is:
http://xxxxxxxx.com/Affiliates/WoWMultiVidscom/tabid/113/Default.aspx

That means that he had to setup that affiliation with Tim/Evilseed.

I don't see Keyclone giving him a discount.

What better way to "SEEM" impartial than to show all the options, but in reality, you favor one by offering a discount for one specific one.

He obviously gets a kickback. If you can't see that, I'm not sure what other information I can provide you.

Take this analogy:

You're a used car salesman. You carry Ford and Chevy.

You run an add one week for Chevy, then you run the next with Ford. However, with the Ford purchase, you get a free 2 year warranty with your car. In order to get that discount, you need to mention the ad.

Sure, you sell both cars, but you obviously are in bed with only one of them.

That's not half-cocked, and that is not without merit what I said before. He is in bed with Tim/Evilseed.

[David]

But he offers a "discount" by using the Multivids "special" link provided by PwnBoxer.

That's not half-cocked, that's working out a deal with Tim/Evilseed to market his software. No mather the history with the person behind the application you cannot flame him for asking money for his product. A program like Keyclone costs money as well. (and yes I know that it`s one time, good support) And I don`t mean people cannot ask a little funding to keep them motivated to keep updating/supporting/website costs. But I don`t think you can just flame him for asking money for the product. Maybe the reason behind it are debatable I don`t know but both ask money for they`re software and that fact stays the same.

So I`m sticking to HKN :thumbsup: and yes I`m willing to start paying for it if needed since it`s a quality piece of software.

[Nisch]

But he offers a "discount" by using the Multivids "special" link provided by PwnBoxer.

That's not half-cocked, that's working out a deal with Tim/Evilseed to market his software. No mather the history with the person behind the application you cannot flame him for asking money for his product. A program like Keyclone costs money as well. (and yes I know that it`s one time, good support) And I don`t mean people cannot ask a little funding to keep them motivated to keep updating/supporting/website costs. But I don`t think you can just flame him for asking money for the product. Maybe the reason behind it are debatable I don`t know but both ask money for they`re software and that fact stays the same.

So I`m sticking to HKN :thumbsup: and yes I`m willing to start paying for it if needed since it`s a quality piece of software.

The history behind it and the intentions are everything. I personally think integrity is everything and when someone comes out saying "I'm just doing this to help out others" when clearly he's getting some kickback for advertising

Let me explain it simply.

Tim can't login to this site anymore.
Negativ can.
Negativ obviously is in bed with Tim.
Therefore, Tim is marketing his products to a forum that he's currently banned from.

[keyclone]

@David
it's not about charging money. it's about the person behind it, his history with d-b, and his attempted attacks to own the community himself. (yes, he declared as much to a few people)

we offered for him to join us, he decided attacking/threatening was better. so be it.

this topic has been beaten into the ground numerous times. understand that people like tim have a motivation to steal communities and sell them off (wowhead/thotbot being an example). he sees the multi-boxing community as something he can sell, so he wants to own it, slap a number of ads on it.. then sell it off. this has been explained numerous time and further discussion only helps bring attention to him... and any attention is better then none. (personally... i'm for none)

[David]

I am using this software and I like it. I have leveled 41 levels in a few days with my quad shammy's on a shitty system that before could not handle 2.

It let me select main wow on 1 cpu and all others on the other cpu. Therefor I can quad box with no problems. Keyclone and Hotkeynet can do this as well including even more for a one time fee or for free. pwnboxer easy to setup? Well Keyclone is as well for a one time fee. Or you get the same/more functionality for free if you care to learn the scripting of HKN.


@David
it's not about charging money. it's about the person behind it, his history with d-b, and his attempted attacks to own the community himself. (yes, he declared as much to a few people)

we offered for him to join us, he decided attacking/threatening was better. so be it.

this topic has been beaten into the ground numerous times. understand that people like tim have a motivation to steal communities and sell them off (wowhead/thotbot being an example). he sees the multi-boxing community as something he can sell, so he wants to own it, slap a number of ads on it.. then sell it off. this has been explained numerous time and further discussion only helps bring attention to him... and any attention is better then none. (personally... i'm for none) Well I don`t know all the history DB.com has with this guy. Learning about it by this post but I cannot just tag along with everybody else saying he`s a bad guy since I wasn`t there.

Made the mistake of flaming about it once. Not going over it again, I rather stay neutral. Tho I will never use this piece of software. Since HKN (or keyclone for that mather) support all my needs.

[Farleito]

"I like turtles"

[Memn]

This thread makes my heart sad.

Ellay and the admins here have done a great job of fostering the community. I know that it takes a meaningful amount of hard work, dedicatoin, passion, and money to act as stewards of this community and to give us all a place to share our ideas, I think we owe it to them to respect their rules in order to remain a member of the community.

If a piece of software makes false claims about how it works in a way that could cause a user of that software to get get his account suspended... well, I agree with the mods of this community in begrudging that author, and that software.

[keyclone]

So technically speaking, Neg. needs to either remove the advertisements from his signature, or leave the community? Correct? at first i was like, 'what are you talking about?' .. then i checked the links in his sig and it seems to demonstrate just one product, not all of them, as he indicated earlier.

watching the video, it's funny how tim's just ripping off keyclone concepts (poorly). lame

it's also obvious that Neg is being paid to advertise... is that what's next? tim/evilseed/m**secloner/pwnb*xer has to pay people to promote his software? brilliant (maybe i should do that.. would anyone want that?)

[Svpernova09]

Lol, Block out what I said.

So much for a community, censorship at its best. If you have soooo many bad things to say about him...

Please tell me exactly what he did???? I am mildly interested in your top ranking struggle for power.

And please leave out all the insults, if possible. makes it hard to read.You're promoting a product we don't allow promoted here. End of Story.

[Svpernova09]

So technically speaking, Neg. needs to either remove the advertisements from his signature, or leave the community? Correct? at first i was like, 'what are you talking about?' .. then i checked the links in his sig and it seems to demonstrate just one product, not all of them, as he indicated earlier.

watching the video, it's funny how tim's just ripping off keyclone concepts (poorly). lame

it's also obvious that Neg is being paid to advertise... is that what's next? tim/evilseed/m**secloner/pwnb*xer has to pay people to promote his software? brilliant (maybe i should do that.. would anyone want that?)I'm not the forum police, but if I do come across something I'll edit it. I'm also trying to be laid back, I don't mind people showing off their blog, but pushing it so hard in your sig, is a bit much.

[keyclone]

"Less features, more money AND he's a douche?! Schweetness!! Sign me up!"
- Kore

[Svpernova09]

I'm sticking the fork in this one. hopefully people got something out of this thread.

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