ISBoxer Toolkit - Zero to Hero in 30 minutes Setup. [Archive]

zanthor

04-21-2009, 05:17 PM

The scope of this document is to answer the brief "how do I get up and running" type questions I get from people I recommend use ISBoxer Toolkit. This setup should work perfectly with any UI mods, it works with any action bars, it works with any class of characters, it works with complex macros and simple hotkeys and even works in all vehicles I've come across.

Required Software
Innerspace ('http://www.lavishsoft.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2&Itemid=2') ISBoxer Toolkit ('http://www.lavishsoft.com/wiki/index.php/IS:ISBoxer#Downloads') Jamba ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=12887')
Before you start down this road understand that while ISBoxer Toolkit is free, Innerspace is not, and is required for ISBoxer to be useful to you. If you are not a subscriber to Innerspace you can fix that by following my referal link ('http://www.lavishsoft.com/account/register.php?referral=zanthor'), by doing that you give me time on my IS Subscription and you get a bit more for your money on the front end. (If you buy 3 months, I get 30 free days and you get 15 free, if you buy 1 year I get 45 days and you get an extra 30 days free.)

Ok, so lets get down to business, first download Innerspace ('http://www.lavishsoft.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2&Itemid=2') get it up and running and make sure you can launch your game with it. Once you have done that, download ISBoxer Toolkit ('http://www.lavishsoft.com/wiki/index.php/IS:ISBoxer#Downloads') (You may even want to read that wiki article I just linked you to, but that may seem a bit much so instead I'll walk you through most of it here...) Install Jamba like any other UI mod - it's VERY useful for multiboxing and really it's on the must have list.

Once you start up ISBoxer Toolkit you will see the display split in 3 screens. The top pane, left pane and right pane. Each has it's purpose and cascades down in details from top to left to right.

If you find yourself with questions, feel free to stop by the IS IRC channel ('http://www.lavishsoft.com/chat/isboxer.php') and ask for help. Many talented people hang out there and can answer more questions than I can even begin to think of! That said, lets get started!

ISBoxer Overview
http://dkpfiles.com/botbh/files/1.jpg

When you first start ISBoxer you will see three panes, in the top pane you will find the overview of the setup, in the left pane you will find details about the selected item in the top pane, and in the right pane, you will find details about the selectetd item in the left pane.

Tell ISBoxer what characters you want to play...
To get started, right click on "Characters" and select "New Character".

http://dkpfiles.com/botbh/files/2.jpg

Name the character in the top pane, this doesn't matter what you name it, so if your names are visually confusing like Samam and Sarnam and Sarnarn you can put them in caps or spaced out to clarify which is which. In the right pane you will see a field "Actual Character Name" - this matters a LOT so make sure you set the names right there.

Select World of Warcraft and the World of Warcraft default profile for game and game profile. If these aren't options, then your InnerSpace isn't setup right, please visit the IS IRC channel ('http://embed.mibbit.com/?server=irc.lavishsoft.com&channel=%23isboxer&settings=c76462e5055bace06e32d325963b39f2') for support there.

Once you are done you should have 5 characters setup and the top pane should look like this:

http://dkpfiles.com/botbh/files/3.jpg

Tell ISBoxer that these characters go together!
Now that you have 5 characters setup, right click on "Character Sets" and create a new one. This is where you will define the characters you play together and this allows you to have multiple setups (3v3, 4 + healer, 5 straight up, etc).

In the right pane, leave the "Launch one character every" set to 7 seconds, this helps wow launch smoothly and while it takes a moment your machine will thank you. This is also where you setup your "ISBoxer GUI toggle hotkey". I set mine to ctrl+\ so it's something I'll never hit in day to day business, but easy enough to get to when I need it. I'll cover what this GUI is for later in the guide.

Once your set is created, right click on "Slots" in the left pane and create 5 new ones.

http://dkpfiles.com/botbh/files/4.jpg

The details on each slot are important, each has settings that are similar, each has settings that are different.

Hotkey to switch tot his character - Set this to the key you want to press to activate this charactter, in these screenshots I use F13-F17, in my actual setup I use XKeys 16-20.
Broadcast keystroke - I don't utilize this because I figured out how to cut this from 5 keys down to one! But I have to configure that in keymaps not here.
CPU Cores - I've found that I get the best performance out of letting all 5 copies of wow use all 4 cores. Windows manages the load, and it all works out smooth.
FTL Modifiers - each copy needs to have unique settings here. My settings are as follows:

Slot One: Left Shift Slot Two: Right Shift Slot Three: Left Alt Slot Four: Right Alt Slot Five: Left Shift + Left AltI left control out of this because I often assign Control to my other keybindings.

Note: AltGr is not the same as Right Alt, it is not FTL friendly and has caused many users hours of grief.

I use 60/15 foreground and background framerates, this is specific to my setup because I have a mod that changes graphics settings on the fly and will always give the foreground the most power and best graphics while clipping the background clients down to bare minimum requirements. Not ideal for PVP, but since I don't PVP that doesn't matter!

http://dkpfiles.com/botbh/files/6.jpg

After you create these slots, assign characters to them by dragging one character to each slot. (Edit: I had missed this in my initial walkthrough.)

http://dkpfiles.com/botbh/files/6a.jpg

zanthor

04-21-2009, 05:18 PM

Tell ISBoxer About your Monitor Setup
Under window layouts right click and pick new. Highlight "Regions and you'll see a screen similar to below, unfortunately the "Autolayout" button wont work if you have 3 monitors like I do, but thats the price we pay for power now isn't it?

http://dkpfiles.com/botbh/files/12.jpg

Anyhow, click Autolayout and you'll see this wonderful dialog. Chose 5 sessions, and if you have dual monitors and want the "thumbnails" on the 2nd monitor check that box. Make sure to check the "I want session 1 to have it's own inactive slot" as well, I find this MUCH more intuitive than my original layout option where the sessions get all shuffled about. hit OK and you'll see how IS will layout your windows. If you don't like it, drag and drop them, resize them, play with it, etc...

http://dkpfiles.com/botbh/files/13.jpg

Now drag your character set (mine is "Sons of Sam") from the top pane down to the "character sets" portion of the left pane, you'll see it's added. This tells ISBoxer that when I play "Sons of Sam" I want it to utilize this layout. If you want to do 3v3 you can create a special 3v3 layout and drag your 3v3 character set down, etc... very flexible!

http://dkpfiles.com/botbh/files/14.jpg

Configure your "repeater" profile...
I didn't create screenshots for this section since it's so absurdly easy... in the top pane right click "Repeater Profiles" and create a new one. You don't need to set hotkeys, whitelist/blacklist.

On the left pane click on "repeater" and in the right pane make sure you have "Show fake cursor in repeater target windows when mouse repeat is enabled". This is a totally awesome feature that makes this mouse repeater 100x more usable!

Drag your character set from above down to the character sets list here, and make sure startup defaults have both key and mouse repeater disabled.

This is great, but when do I get to shoot something?
So, you wanna shoot something... lets setup a keymap to allow that to happen! Right Click Key Maps in the top frame and create a new one, name it "DPS Keys". Select it and in the right frame click the "Use FTL Modifiers" box.

After you create this keymap, drag the character set down (In my example this is Sons of Sam) and drop it inside just like you did with the Window Layout.

http://dkpfiles.com/botbh/files/15.jpg

The first thing you need is a way to target your enemy! So lets create an assist button that utilizes the VERY powerful FTL system. Right click "Mapped Keys" in the left pane, create a new key and name it something logical, since I use backspace as my assist key, I named it backspace, you could call it "assist" or "target" or even "steve". Also in the left pane, click the name of the mapped key, and in the right pane you'll see where you actually say what key you are mapping. In this screenshot you see I map this to my G11 key which is a little finger away instead of the Backspace which is all the way across the keyboard. Since this isn't a movement key I don't need to hold it while I hold the key, and I'm using the FTL Modifiers.

http://dkpfiles.com/botbh/files/16a.jpg

Now right click on "steps" in the left pane and select new to create a new step. Steps are also used for Round Robin and other advanced support, since we want to do the same thing EVERY time we press this key, it's set with 1 step. If you wanted to do something different each keypress, you could setup multiple steps. For now, stick to one, it'll make more sense when you start playing.

Now on the left side click on step one, and on the right side add an action by right clicking "actions" and selecting "New World of Warcraft Macro Action". For the target set it to all with current, set the key to be backspace, and down near the bottom check the box that says "But first..." and assist the hot character.

The mechanics of this step aren't visible right now, but this step is very important. What we just did was had ISBoxer create an FTL Assist Macro that will be available to each character in game and bound to their backspace key. The end macro looks something like the assist macro below, and is 100% the same thing hundreds of multiboxers smash thousands of times a day - but it's made for you instead of you working hours to polish it out.

/assist [nomod]player;[nomod:alt,mod:lshift,nomod:ctrl]Samam;[nomod:alt,mod:rshift,nomod:ctrl]Sarnam;[mod:lalt,nomod:shift,nomod:ctrl]Samarn;[mod:ralt,nomod:shift,nomod:ctrl]Sarnarn;[mod:lalt,mod:lshift,nomod:ctrl]Samarri

http://dkpfiles.com/botbh/files/16.jpg

So now you have a way to get your target, lets shoot it!
We are going to make keys 1-= into your DPS keys, if you don't want to use those hotkeys, you can do this with any key on the keyboard, but it has to be something WoW recognizes.

Working in the same keymap create another key named "DPS 1", set the key you press to activate this to the 1 key, and then add a step. Click on the step in the left pane and then in the right pane right click on Actions and choose "new Keystroke action" twice. The first keystroke action set to send the backspace key to all of your windows including the current. The second keystroke action key you have set to send the 1 key to all of your windows including the current. This creates a single button on your keyboard that presses backspace and 1 at the same time, much the way people press A and W at the same time to strafe forward and left. This button will cause your alts to assist your main, and attack his target.

http://dkpfiles.com/botbh/files/17.jpg

Repeat this for keys 2-=. Unless you don't need more than 1 hotkey to kill everything!

Next we create some control keymaps...
If you were to export all this to Innerspace and launch wow right now, you wouldn't be able to do much, but don't get restless because we are close to the end now!

Create another new KeyMap - this one name "Control Keymaps". Inside Control Keymaps setup three new mapped keys, name them "Activate Hotkeys", "Activate Key Repeater" and "Activate Mouse Repeater". Give each of them two steps, one step to turn on their related feature, one step to turn off their related feature. You can do this with a single step called "Toggle" but I find seperate steps much more reliable.

In the left pane click on step one of Activate Hotkeys, then in the right pane right click and pick key map actions, new key map state action.
Set it to target all w/current
and to turn DPS Keys off.

Do the same thing to create a 2nd step that turns these keymaps on.

Now repeat both of these steps for activate KeyRepeater and activate MouseRepeater, using "New repeater action" instead of "new key map state action".

http://dkpfiles.com/botbh/files/20.jpg

Next we need to create 5 hotkeys to tell Jamba when a character is now the leader. I use the X16-X20 keys for mine, and each one sends the key combination ctrl-` to the appropriate window. Make sure to use the action type "New world of warcraft macro action" and put the macro text:

/jamba setmeasmaster all

Optionally you can add:
/jamba-follow strobeonme all

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Once you have all this setup, drag the keymap from the top pane down to the character sets to tell ISBoxer that you want to use them.

Virtualizing the Config.wtf
Virtualizing the config.wtf will allow you to have distinct settings on all copies of wow, but at the same time just use one copy of wow instead of worrying about simlinking, copying, maintaining addons, etc.

In the top pane create a new virtual file and name it config.wtf, then drag this down to each characters left pane. Once you've done this, click on the config.wtf in the left pane, and you can virtualize it as whatever name you want in the right pane. I just number mine 1-5.

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But wait, thats it?
Go to the ISBoxer file menu and select Export all to Innerspace. When you right click Innerspace in your task tray you should now have an option to launch your character set. Now in theory this works, this was a complete rewrite from the ground up, I may have missed a thing or two so if I did, please leave me a note here and I'll clarify and update as needed!

zanthor

04-21-2009, 05:18 PM

Advanced Features

Movement and Jumping
To bind keys to movement and jumping is easy - the only thing you have to remember is that WoW expects these keys to be held instead of "tapped". To enable this just select it from the dropdown listed in your keybind as shown below.

http://dkpfiles.com/botbh/files/movement.jpg

One thing I've found useful is being able to jump my leader and my followers separately. To enable this easily I went ahead and left space bound to jump, and set IS to broadcast ctrl-space to all other clients. This way I can space to jump, and a second later ctrl-space to jump the followers. Very handy in cases where you need to jump a gap or some other trick!

For advanced movement - remember you can make keymaps that move each individual character, and setup keybindings to activate those/deactivate those keybindings. This allows you to quickly take control of a specific clients movement, shimmy and dodge, and then flip control back without even needing to use your PIP switch!

G15/11 Keyboards
So you have a fancy smancy G15 keyboard? You wanna use your lights to show you status of features like your keymaps... First set every key in your G15 to do NOTHING and then terminate the logitech software profiler. If you don't do this, it wont work quite right!

Now go to your repeater profile... and on the right pane set the G2 and G3 lights to show the status of Keyboard and Mouse respectively.

http://dkpfiles.com/botbh/files/23.jpg

Now to setup your KeyMaps status... go to the "Control key Maps" set and find the one that toggles the keymaps on and off. On both step one and two add new actions to turn the light on and off respectively for M1.

http://dkpfiles.com/botbh/files/24.jpg

Send Next Click (Mouse)
This section is so trivial you only get ONE screenshot! Remember when we setup our DPS keys, with Key Maps, and we setup 1-= for this... lets say you are playing a mage, or boomkin, or death knights and you want to be able to cast a spell that requires a ground target...

Open the key map you want to change, and check the "Send Next Click" box. From the dropdown choose where you want to send the next click... Now in game drop your blizzard spell on that hotkey, and when you cast, your next mouseclick will go through to all your targeted windows! (Note: For this to be effective you need your camera's syncronized in game, to do this make a macro to cast your spell that includes /script SetView(5);SetView(5); in it. This of course assumes your view # 5 is setup the same... there are many guides to accomplishing this on this site.

http://dkpfiles.com/botbh/files/25.jpg

If you want to target more than one, but not all of your characters windows, you'll need to setup "Target Action Groups" which is another topic.

Note: I often find myself wanting to send ONE click, a right click to open a door, a right click on a portal, a left click to close a yes/no dialog... to enable this I made a keymap that does nothing, BUT has "Send next click" checked. So I press my G12 key and my next click goes through. It's handy in countless situations!

Mouse Repeater Regions
So you want to send mouseclicks easily and always to the same spot on the screen... say you have some abilities you don't want keybound, or maybe you need to heal a raid of 25 players and can't possibly keybind this... Maybe you are playing your tank and need your healer to heal the raid using OpenRDX, Healbot, Grid or any other UI that lets you sort things your way...

Press Ctrl+\ (The key we bound earlier to "ISBoxer GUI toggle hotkey" in the step "Tell ISBoxer that these characters go together!") to bring up the in game UI.

http://dkpfiles.com/botbh/files/ui.jpg

At the top of this dialog you click the drop down menu and pick All Other, or a specific client. One thing to note, all clicks always come to current window.
Click Add to bring a region onto the screen.

Then drag the region where you want it and size it just like you would any window (drag from the edges, etc.) Position and size it so it covers all the buttons or unitframes you want to click on.

http://dkpfiles.com/botbh/files/addwindow.jpg

Your finished region should look something like this:
http://dkpfiles.com/botbh/files/finishedregion.jpg

Press your hotkey again to hide the UI, and now you have a very transparent box to give you visual hints where your repeater is setup. Any time your mouse crosses into this area, it will immediatey start broadcasting to the appropriate clients!

zanthor

04-21-2009, 05:18 PM

Reserved 2.

zanthor

04-23-2009, 11:18 AM

Woot, stickied for the win! Wedding in 8 days, 16 days of honeymoon after that, I promise to flesh this out when I return!

Multibocks

04-23-2009, 05:45 PM

Oh you poor poor man... I hope you did a prenup!

zanthor

04-23-2009, 05:49 PM

Oh you poor poor man... I hope you did a prenup!She leaves me she gets half my debt ;).

Seriously, she's lived with me for 3 years, I don't see significant changes incoming based off this.

Frosty

04-24-2009, 01:38 PM

Seriously, she's lived with me for 3 years, I don't see significant changes incoming based off this. Yeah, I thought that too!! For the love of all things computery, RUN NOW!!! :P

zanthor

06-09-2009, 05:26 PM

Unstickied... hrm, was it because I didn't flesh anything out yet?

Multibocks

06-15-2009, 03:34 PM

Ok I love this software. Can you tell me how I set up different folders of WoW for each window? I cant seem to find that, thanks!!

Acerak

06-26-2009, 03:19 PM

Awesome post Zanthor, thanks a bunch.

One quick question: you mention a mod that automatically puts the best graphics in the active window on the fly and downranks the graphics on the slaves. I have a dual-monitor setup also, and would love to know the mod you are using to do that. Can I have a hint? :thumbsup: Thanks!

violent5

06-26-2009, 03:27 PM

Ok I love this software. Can you tell me how I set up different folders of WoW for each window? I cant seem to find that, thanks!!

Go into the configuration menu when you right click Innerspace. Under the game configuration tab you can make profiles for each folder. Then back in ISBoxer Toolkit choose the profile you want for each character you setup.

One quick question: you mention a mod that automatically puts the best graphics in the active window on the fly and downranks the graphics on the slaves. I have a dual-monitor setup also, and would love to know the mod you are using to do that. Can I have a hint? :thumbsup: Thanks!

I think you're looking for Dynperf

zanthor

06-26-2009, 03:27 PM

And a bump since I just totally rewrote this.

Multibocks

06-26-2009, 03:33 PM

I must have a really strange problem with Innerspace. I have it setup to where it supposed to run wow from 5 different folders (all sylinked). However when it starts up its all from the same directory (wow#4 for some reason) and yes I did make sure all characters are different IS profiles. Kinda at a loss, but I have it up and running so it's not a huge deal....just a little slower than it should be I guess.

Slayde

06-26-2009, 04:02 PM

Thanks for the writing this quick start guide! I started evaluating IS Boxer and Innerspace last night and am extremely impressed by the toolset. I was quickly able to use IS Boxer to implement key and mouse broadcasting and have to say the mouse broadcasting worked very well. It looks like it has tons of flexibility which is great since I just started a new 5 man mixed class team recently. Thanks again for this guide and the other posts where you have shared your experience using the toolset.

zanthor

06-26-2009, 07:31 PM

I went ahead and wiped my config clean. Then followed this guide step for step. In the end I had a fully functional setup without any real bells and whistles...

Things I'd like to document setting up:

A jump hotkey. Movement keys. (Similar to jump)
Spread out macros. Send Next Click (Mouse Broadcast) Repeater Regions (In game mouse repeating for specific portions of the screen) Target Action Groups

Slayde

06-26-2009, 08:42 PM

Slayde

06-27-2009, 07:27 PM

zanthor

06-27-2009, 07:52 PM

Just read your new Advanced Features guide. Thanks! :thumbsup:

Is it possible to do something like check if the cursor is over a specific region, then send a key or key combo to a specific window? For example, tank moves cursor over the portrait of a group member, then presses a key combo that gets sent to the healer. The key combo triggers a heal spell on that group member.Possible, yes, most efficient possible solution, far from.

I'd suggest downloading Healbot, OpenRDX or another click-to-cast unitframe. On your tank and healer setup that UI mod to show the group sorted exactly the same way. Then y ou put a mouse repeater region over that area on the tank that forwards clicks to the healer. When you left click/right click/etc on that window, your clicks get repeated through to the healer, and he heals the target you want him to.

Slayde

06-27-2009, 09:04 PM

Thanks, I'll look into those addons.

zanthor

06-30-2009, 05:01 PM

Oh so close to done with currently planned content for this guide... I'm sure there will be more!

Multibocks

06-30-2009, 05:24 PM

I wanted to thank you for posting this. I have much more freedom than I ever did while boxing. I bought a years subscription to IS and referenced you as a bonus. Thanks!

zanthor

06-30-2009, 05:58 PM

I wanted to thank you for posting this. I have much more freedom than I ever did while boxing. I bought a years subscription to IS and referenced you as a bonus. Thanks!Many thanks for the referal, 2020 is within my reach! You pushed me into 2016... only 4 more years of referals to go!

Seriously, having been a serious multiboxer for coming up on two years now, I really enjoy helping other people find what I consider to be the holy grail - boxing so perfectly you can't tell the difference between boxing and solo play. The other day I had a rogue follow me while I was putting out fires - he followed me into Ironforge from Stormwind, and then chased me all the way to Tauren Mill... just watching... Finally he logged across and asked what tool I used to multibox because it looked so lag free...

Thats exactly what I'm after!

Slayde

06-30-2009, 10:19 PM

Thanks again for your guides zanthor. I found them fun and easy to follow which helped me figure out some of the more advanced ISBoxer settings. I'm going to have to make a druid team some day so I can really take advantage of Innerspace's mouse broadcasting. http://www.dual-boxing.com/forum/images/smilies/thumbup.png I purchased the 90 day sub last night and listed you as my referrer. :D

nakago

07-01-2009, 04:25 PM

Multibocks

07-02-2009, 09:49 AM

Ok now I am having a serious problem. I visited Dalaran for the first time and the lag was AWFUL. I have done this before with keyclone and maintain about 30fps on all. With IS I was hitting 1-5fps (on a supercomputer no less.) Something is seriously wrong. Check the two screens for me please and let me know if there is something wrong that you can see. I have 5 folders setup with the "data" folder being symlinked from the first folder to the rest. This setup with keyclone was great, now if I ever want to go to Dalaran I will need to load keyclone. It was that bad, I could barely move.

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/3272/setuphol.jpg

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1761/isconfig.jpg

zanthor

07-02-2009, 10:22 AM

The only performance hit I've ever heard people have is if they turn on anti aliasing... the best performance is from 1xAA, check your clients graphics settings in game to ensure it's set to 1xAA instead of something higher.

Multibocks

07-02-2009, 11:21 AM

ya its 1AA =(

wtf this is lame.

Lax

07-02-2009, 12:08 PM

The main difference in average FPS compared to kc etc is that with IS, the smaller windows are still rendering the full size. You can't change that without killing the window swapping speed -- if you didn't need to swap or use mouse broadcasting, you could disable swapping for a performance increase.

That said, the screenshots you posted are not performance related, just "ability to launch WoW" related. What we would need to look at is the Video settings in WoW -- if you're set to Performance mode in WoW, you will be better off than if you have all graphics settings up "because it looks pretty" which is anti-Performance mode.

The best thing you can do to improve performance in Dalaran and otherwise is as follows:

point

the

camera

down

This will also make it more convenient to do ground targeted aoe spells, which I find generally useful. If I need to reset the camera I have Home bound to set view 5 and I have a mapped key to send Home to all windows when I push it. That's rare though, usually just interacting with untargetable objects (midsummer flames, mailboxes, etc) since for anything else it's more convenient to use Interact with Target. Other than that, I have non-main characters cameras pointed down so as to maximize performance at all times. I gain nothing by having those characters looking ahead of them

p.s. It would help to use new threads to get troubleshooting assistance

Multibocks

07-02-2009, 12:16 PM

ok I was going to create a new thread, but you pretty much answered why it's so different. I think I will drop my resolution down (it's only 1280x665) /cry.

Coranthium

07-03-2009, 10:28 PM

Svpernova09

07-04-2009, 02:54 AM

Just curious before I set all of this up-Can I use this if I have 3 computers? Also, I'm planning on running 10 at a time. All I've seen is 5 at a time, so wanted to ask if this solution would work. Looks like it will be great as long as it can handle those two things.Yes, you can spread it across multiple computers easily. I run 5 toons on 4 computers without any troubles.

http://www.lavishsoft.com/wiki/index.php/ISBoxer:Using_multiple_computers

ganoo

07-12-2009, 03:42 AM

K so I am completely new to Multi Boxing, and everything I read on software and setting things up just make me more confused. I found this post got the software and did just as u state and I am geting nowhere. I cant seem to get my toons to assist each other, I constantly have to stop to reaguire targets and set them to follow, I try to attack things and they tell me I dont have a valid target, I have been to the chat channel and dont seem to get anywhere. I have watched the videos on there site and they fly through what they are doing, and show how to set up things that seem to be for more advanced users. Does any1 have a ISBoxer for dumies guide or something like that, cause this 30 minute setup guide has now taken me over 16 hours and I have made no progress. :wacko: X(

zanthor

07-15-2009, 05:23 PM

Can you post your config file so i can take a look at it?

ganoo

07-18-2009, 12:42 PM

Well I ended up getting a virus on my comp from something completely unrelaeted had to wipe my hard drive when I re did every thing no prblems not sure what I was doing wrong but it is good now thanks. Now I have to look into some of the other set ups for round robin and such.

Lax

07-26-2009, 03:23 PM

Special thanks to Zanthor for the ideas in this guide.

I would like to introduce the following video, showing getting started multi-boxing World of Warcraft with only 40 seconds of configuration, followed by gameplay footage demonstrating the use. It's really that easy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoZG6b9HjnM

Jimb086

07-27-2009, 05:04 AM

Okay so I followed the guide as best as i could and i have come up with this
http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq111/JmWoWScreens/Error.jpg

havent got a clue what ive done wrong i assume ive done everything step-by-step but i think ive missed something.. any one got any ideas ???

Thanks Jimb0

Lax

07-27-2009, 11:47 AM

You found a bug in ISBoxer, that's all. Based on your error message I've fixed the error and updated the download.

It seems to be from having a Step with no Actions in it -- ISBoxer 33 automatically adds a Step to any new Mapped Key, and Zanthor's guide was made for ISBoxer 32 which did not. In fact, if you watch the video in my post directly above yours, you can see that I pretty much built the key maps from this guide into the Quick Setup Wizard, so that might be of interest to you. Anyway, the solution (other than re-downloading or waiting for a pushed ISBoxer update) is to find that Mapped Key (the Send Next Click one from the guide), and either add a Popup Text Action to the Step (e.g. say something about gogo send next click) or delete Step 1 from it (click it and hit Del, or right click it and select Delete, either should work).

scartomyzon

07-27-2009, 04:41 PM

Lax

07-27-2009, 06:42 PM

While we are on the topic of potential bugs with ISboxer 33.....my join/leave action target group functionality is apparently missing in release 33. Or did you change how that particular action is set up in the new release?
Er.. nope, nothing should have changed with that. The action is still there as New Target Group Action and still has the same functionality, and the code in the script didn't change. What are you seeing different?

scartomyzon

07-27-2009, 08:08 PM

Well, the join/leave action target group function in my profile does not work any longer. I have not changed a thing except for updating ISboxer. Everything else functions as normal and I use a great deal of the special functions that you provide in ISboxer. I also have a pop-up text action (i.e., "joining DPS"/"leaving DPS") assigned in the same function, and that also will not appear on my screen. It is like the function and anything associated with it do not register with Inner Space anymore. It does appear that the actual keys are being assigned (i.e., can't type into chat window when key map is loaded) but no actions are processed when I press the key. I tried assigning other assigning other keys, but no luck.

Mark

*sigh*....Nix all of the above....I remade the keys and guess what? They work!!

Mark

palvarik

08-05-2009, 03:40 AM

Can you help with a formation key map.

I can get them to break into a diamond formation but they will not stay there and immediately follow. When i am setting up for a boss fight i would like to move them to different areas and stay there until i call them with a follow command.

Thanks

alcattle

08-05-2009, 04:00 AM

Do you have Jamba-follow turned on?

palvarik

08-05-2009, 12:37 PM

yea i am sure that it is on

Slayde

08-05-2009, 10:54 PM

yea i am sure that it is on

Sounds like you need to use the jamba command to toggle off jamba's auto-follow strobing (forget the command) before you break them into their diamond formation. Then toggle it back on when you want them to auto-follow you again.

palvarik

08-06-2009, 05:08 PM

Hmm anybody remember how to turn auto follow off and than back on?

I have used build #33 --wizard

so i have under key maps-->control---> some options listerd as follow/jambastobe/jambamaster but not sure how to toggle the follow on and off.

Thanks

palvarik

08-06-2009, 05:41 PM

Ok figured out half of it

I press Alt Shift F and it shows Jamba following tunred off -- i hit formation and they all stay in place-- But i can not get them to refollow.

I have tried alf shift F but the only way i can get it to work so far is to swap screens and back

Lax

08-06-2009, 06:04 PM

Looks like there was a bug in the new Shift+Alt+F key I added to the Quick Setup Wizard, so it was only working to turn OFF the strobing. I've fixed it for future downloads, but here's how to correct the Mapped Key:

Click on the "General" Key Map in the top part of ISBoxer
Click on Step 1 of "Toggle Jamba Follow" in the bottom left
Delete the Action that says "strobeonme all -> self"
Create a new Do Mapped Key Action (right click on "Actions" and find it under Key Map Actions)

Set the Target to Window:Current
Set the Key Map to "Control"
Set the Mapped Key to "Follow/JambaStrobe"

Export to Inner Space

Then it should work. :)

palvarik

08-07-2009, 04:09 AM

Thanks that worked perfectly

Now is there a way to freeze the camera angle of the slaves? It seems whenever i want to aoe my guy is looking up in the air and can not target the ground.

palvarik

08-24-2009, 02:12 AM

Alright things have been going pretty good now.

My question is--I want to start another group

#1 do i have to create a new ISboxer profile or can i use my existing one and just andd the new characters to it?

#2 Do you have and example profiles that I could take a look at to try and get ideas and help with little things or is it better to ask in the forums?

Thanks

Lax

08-24-2009, 03:54 PM

1. No, you do not necessarily need to. However, if it makes it easier for you at some point, then by all means do it. The drawback is that you need to run ISBoxer, open the other profile, and Export, in order to switch Character Sets. ISBoxer is designed to let you keep everything in the same profile. I have like 20 different Sets in mine

2. Unless you're asking about really common groupings like "5 shamans" it might be hard to find the kind of examples that will benefit you most. I was working briefly on describing my configuration and gameplay style on this page (http://www.lavishsoft.com/wiki/index.php/ISBoxer:Lax) though, and that could perhaps give you an idea or two. Otherwise, yeah start a new thread and describe the team you're creating and the mappings you're planning or whatnot, and I'm sure someone will have comments or suggestions

Meshuggenah

08-25-2009, 01:33 AM

Hotkey to switch tot his character - Set this to the key you want to press to activate this charactter, in these screenshots I use F13-F17, in my actual setup I use XKeys 16-20.

How do you go about binding F13, etc. They're not actual keys on my G15.

zanthor

08-25-2009, 08:38 AM

How do you go about binding F13, etc. They're not actual keys on my G15.

You don't since they don't work in WoW. You would bind keys that actually exist on your keyboard.

Meshuggenah

08-26-2009, 02:20 AM

Another problem. I use the thumb buttons on my mouse to follow and assist, but innerspace doesn't seem to accept keystrokes from the programmable keys on the mouse.

Razer Lachesis gaming mouse.

Lax

08-26-2009, 02:39 AM

Another problem. I use the thumb buttons on my mouse to follow and assist, but innerspace doesn't seem to accept keystrokes from the programmable keys on the mouse.

Razer Lachesis gaming mouse.

Run the Razer software as Administrator and it will work fine. The only reason it does not work is that ISBoxer and Inner Space are running as Administrator, so the game is also running as Administrator when Inner Space launches it, and then the non-Administrator Razer software cannot do its job.

Meshuggenah

08-26-2009, 02:49 AM

Run the Razer software as Administrator and it will work fine. The only reason it does not work is that ISBoxer and Inner Space are running as Administrator, so the game is also running as Administrator when Inner Space launches it, and then the non-Administrator Razer software cannot do its job.

Hm. Will I have to do the same for G15?

Volch0k

08-26-2009, 02:35 PM

Anyone got any idea why my fps is dropping when its to much happening? I mean, when i drop 16 totems, or I'm on a boss in heroic, my mains fps drops down to 15-25, I'm usually between 70-90.

i've checked settings in ISboxer, innerspace and inside the game..
I've tried to put 1 core on main, and 3 on slaves, all on all etc, but doesnt help..
Also, this never happen on keyclone, i mean i dropped down to 50 fps, but i didn't notice the lag..

Lax

08-26-2009, 03:06 PM

Hm. Will I have to do the same for G15?
You can set G15 buttons as hotkeys directly in ISBoxer if you want, but if you using prefer the Logitech profiler, you would need to run it as Administrator, yes.

booker

08-26-2009, 07:18 PM

After hours of reading/ trying i have now the login screen of wow reached^^.

I run IS on 2 PCs (one char @ one pc other 4@other PC )..but now i have a simple question..how can i type the password on all login screen at the same time? If i hit a key..it doesnt appaer on the other PC..how can i broadcasting keystrokes to the other pc?

Lax

08-27-2009, 11:29 AM

I run IS on 2 PCs (one char @ one pc other 4@other PC )..but now i have a simple question..how can i type the password on all login screen at the same time? If i hit a key..it doesnt appaer on the other PC..how can i broadcasting keystrokes to the other pc?

Enable Keyboard Repeat. You can set up a hotkey for this quickly in your Repeater Profile

booker

08-28-2009, 10:03 AM

Iceorbz

08-28-2009, 04:44 PM

Lax

Alright, so few quick questions. How is innerspace doing the FTL in the way it's setup from the guide?
I think its awesome, but it has me sooooo confused since I have made no macros in game but ftl works, I really like how you setup FTL using the alt command to start, thats smart and let you use the same key for FTL.

Secondly, I was having problems with the maximzer portion where one window wont really move where its suppose to
like upper left quadrant on monitor two wont swap with region 1 monitor 1.

Last: Alright I can only explain this in the way I have keyclone setup.
I need to enable repeater, but disable keymaps on all 4 screens. ie: trying to type in passwords or messages in game. I will get to certain mapped keys, and they will stop inputing and just beging to overwrite themselves.

So it ends up like and wont broadcast all of the keys.
account1: pswd1234
2: pswd34
3: pswd34
4: pswd34
So basically im looking for a way to over-ride the blacklist, disable the keymaps and use repeater to pass any key that is pressed. Keyclone set this up for me by allowing a bind to overide do not pass list. How can I do this in IS?

Lax

08-28-2009, 06:02 PM

Alright, so few quick questions. How is innerspace doing the FTL in the way it's setup from the guide?
I think its awesome, but it has me sooooo confused since I have made no macros in game but ftl works, I really like how you setup FTL using the alt command to start, thats smart and let you use the same key for FTL.
ISBoxer is creating a WoW Addon that creates the macros for you. All it needed to know is which character would be in which window, and it can fill in all the gory details. Or I guess if you followed this guide as opposed to using the Quick Setup Wizard, half of those gory details you filled out yourself :)

Secondly, I was having problems with the maximzer portion where one window wont really move where its suppose to
like upper left quadrant on monitor two wont swap with region 1 monitor 1.I would need to see your ISBoxer config to answer questions about your window layout. You can show it to me by right clicking on "ISBoxer" in the top part of the software and selecting "Copy ISBoxer Toolkit Profile to Clipboard", then you can paste it wherever (pastebin.com, to me in email at lax@lavishsoft.com, on these forums, etc). People seem to think that I would read the XML that spits out, but what I would be doing is pasting it into ISBoxer running on my PC to view your config the usual way ;)

Last: Alright I can only explain this in the way I have keyclone setup.
I need to enable repeater, but disable keymaps on all 4 screens. ie: trying to type in passwords or messages in game. I will get to certain mapped keys, and they will stop inputing and just beging to overwrite themselves.

So it ends up like and wont broadcast all of the keys.
account1: pswd1234
2: pswd34
3: pswd34
4: pswd34
So basically im looking for a way to over-ride the blacklist, disable the keymaps and use repeater to pass any key that is pressed. Keyclone set this up for me by allowing a bind to overide do not pass list. How can I do this in IS?If you use the Quick Setup Wizard, you would hit Shift+Alt+M and Shift+Alt+R to toggle the states of key maps and repeater. Following Zanthor's guide, you hit your keys you configured for "Activate Hotkeys" and "Activate Repeater" in the Control key map. Repeater does the "just broadcast my damn keys" functionality, with no FTL etc, and then the Mapped Keys override Repeater, so when you hit 1 it can do something besides just hit 1 on the other end even if you have Repeater on. So what you want for entering your password is Repeater on, but your DPS keys off, so when you hit 1234, it comes out 1234.

Lax

08-28-2009, 06:06 PM

Thx.

Its worked now on one PC. But may you have a advice for my Setup on 2 PCs? I cant connect them..only when i dissable the Firewall on the 2.nd PC..i have done all ..port open etc etc.

Edit: Is the PIP Function only avaible on one PC? i mean ..i cant move a client to my other pc right? like it work on one pc,where you can swap all the clients.
Didn't mean to skip you.

To set up on 2 PCs, follow the "Using Multiple Computers" guide from the ISBoxer page. Without more specific information about what trouble you're having, I'm not really sure what to say. Come to the ISBoxer chat room (http://www.lavishsoft.com/chat/isboxer.php) and one of the people there can probably help. I'm usually there, but there's usually 20 other people that might be able to help, just start by asking your question, not by asking if I'm available. This sort of thing is better handled live.

PIP function is only available on one PC at this time, yes.

alcattle

08-30-2009, 03:04 AM

Just got my trial and setup a 3 box with 60's.

1) how do I get background alt(s) to assist main toon and use same keys.

2) how do I get alt to use different keys, like to heal main and other alt?

it's nice to play this far and not open the macro editor :D

Lax

08-30-2009, 11:35 AM

1) how do I get background alt(s) to assist main toon and use same keys.
Pretty broad question, but I would say to start with the Quick Setup Wizard after watching the 40-second configuration video... Or follow the 30 minute setup guide, but the wizard will do it for you.

2) how do I get alt to use different keys, like to heal main and other alt?
There's a number of ways to do healing. I highly recommend using a standard healer addon, with click to cast functionality on sorted unit frames. Then you just put a Repeater Region over it, as described in this thread, so that you can just click on the unit frames and the click goes to your healer, who is then instructed to heal or buff, etc.

But, the answer to your question about using different keys is, you make Mapped Keys. They can do whatever you want, when you press a hotkey. Zanthor's guide demonstrates many mapped keys, as does the wizard. Or, you can watch the ISBoxer overview video, part 2, which spends about 5 minutes going into details about mapped keys (the interface is a little different now than it was in that video, but it's still pretty much the same. don't let that bother you).

palvarik

09-04-2009, 01:44 AM

Now that i am in the higher dungeons (60 ish) I have noticed mobs charge you and fling you back, fear you and hex you so you bounce around like an idiot and end up facing the wrong direction.

Is there an easy way to get your slaves to face your main toon? This would be without using the Jamba follow button cause i would want them to keep there distance. i am using the FTL set up?

thanks

Lax

09-04-2009, 10:17 AM

I don't know of an easy way to get your characters to pivot toward your main character without otherwise moving, no. I saw some discussion several months ago about an item that can do this, but I don't know what item it is or if it's practical to use often -- and I could be wrong about what the item was doing anyway.

Personally, I hit my follow button. There's also click to move which works with the Interact with Target binding. I don't think there's an answer that's as convenient as you're hoping, though :)

Otherwise, you can switch to the character or characters that need to be fixed, and do it the old fashioned way

Fizzler

09-04-2009, 01:57 PM

I knew a guy that used channeling spells to center his toons sometimes but they needed some LOS.

This is a huge issue for me too especially during any boss fight that throws you around. I usually just follow strobe than pull them back using my formation key.

zanthor

09-04-2009, 02:26 PM

Shadow Crystal Focusing Lens will face you towards the mob on use, have > 40m range, and have 40 charges each and can be carried by the boatload.

spoon

09-12-2009, 04:29 PM

Ok, now im getting tired, ive done the Quick setup wiz.. 3 times now and read all these posts, tho i didnt do the 30 min manual setup.
Im in the game, using 2 toons, my problem is i cant seem to get them to follow nor assist each other automaticly.
If i go from window 1 to window 2 and marking the same mob i can assist, only on that single target. I have to do it all over again on the next..

What am i missing?

alcattle

09-12-2009, 08:45 PM

You are using Jamba and setting the options on the last page of the Quick Wizard? I click them all to on. Other thing to try is make sure key maps is on and follow strobing is on (alt-cntl) M then F

spoon

09-13-2009, 06:35 AM

Meshuggenah

09-13-2009, 08:19 PM

Is there any way to use Repeater as a standalone function without having to run WoW via Innerspace? I prefer my current setup to ISBoxer, but I really like the repeater function.

Lax

09-13-2009, 11:36 PM

Yes im using Jamba and all those boxes are checked. Not sure if the Ctrl + Alt + M / F did anything.
Ive done macros, like if i would use KeyClone, follow and assist macros on secondary char to follow/assist main char, the dps keys 1-9 works which is good.
I have to press my macro each time i have a target to attack! *doh*

Any other ideas?
It's actually Shift+Alt+M and Shift+Alt+F, but it doesn't sound like your issue will be solved by doing any of that, unless you had already hit Shift+Alt+M to disable key maps.

My first question is, did you install ISBoxer to somewhere other than the Inner Space folder? If so, then you would need to copy the files in ISBoxer's Scripts folder into Inner Space's Scripts folder.

Secondly, make sure the ISBoxer Addon is enabled in WoW. If you had disabled all addons or something, it's not going to be able to set up the macros.

Is there any way to use Repeater as a standalone function without having to run WoW via Innerspace? I prefer my current setup to ISBoxer, but I really like the repeater function.
No. It would not be possible without Inner Space.

spoon

09-14-2009, 08:56 AM

My first question is, did you install ISBoxer to somewhere other than the Inner Space folder? If so, then you would need to copy the files in ISBoxer's Scripts folder into Inner Space's Scripts folder.

Secondly, make sure the ISBoxer Addon is enabled in WoW. If you had disabled all addons or something, it's not going to be able to set up the macros.

I just checked and the scripts are all inside the Inner space folder.
Yes the addon is active in both of my wow folders.. as im writing im starting to think, should i use 2 copies of wow when i play of the same computor? Ive tryed other multi boxing programs where they said you should have 1 copy for each char, but here i havnt read anything about that.. hmmm :o

spoon

09-14-2009, 09:07 AM

It's actually Shift+Alt+M and Shift+Alt+F, but it doesn't sound like your issue will be solved by doing any of that, unless you had already hit Shift+Alt+M to disable key maps.

Is something going to happen that i actually will see? I dont feel any diffrent.

Lax

09-14-2009, 01:50 PM

You want exactly 1 copy of WoW. There are no performance gains to be had by using multiple folders -- there are many layers of caching on your PC from the OS to the actual hardware, and using multiple folders will prevent those caching systems from doing their job, resulting in worse performance. The reason to use multiple folders is to have multiple configurations, which ISBoxer solves by providing the concept of Virtual Files -- giving you the benefits of multiple configurations, with the performance benefits of a single folder. You may have read about "symbolic links" (symlinks) and "junctions" and how they can be used to make multiple folders work more like 1 folder, which is a good idea for software that does not provide Virtual Files (i.e. everything but Inner Space), but still requires extra work on your part to set it up, and it can still be a pain in the ass on patch days. You haven't read anything about using multiple folders with ISBoxer because it's a bad idea and completely unnecessary. :)

Is something going to happen that i actually will see? I dont feel any diffrent.
Only if it's not broken.

Quick recap from spoon being on IRC, he's using a Swedish keyboard layout. For some people with multiple languages configured in Windows, ISBoxer happens to get launched in a different language mode than WoW happens to get launched in. e.g. one is in Swedish mode and one is in English mode. For most people, regardless of the keyboard layout, ISBoxer and WoW are running in the same language mode and this isn't an issue, but what happens is ISBoxer will output the key binding configuration in one language, and then in the game that's set in the other language, the key bindings would have to be in the other language. The fix isn't all that complicated, they just need to be in the same language mode. You can turn on the Language Bar in Windows to see the language any given app is using (right click on taskbar, and Language Bar is under Toolbars).

Meshuggenah

09-14-2009, 09:17 PM

No. It would not be possible without Inner Space.

I don't mean without Innerspace. I've already purchased a 12 month subscription. :)

I meant is there a way to use the mouse repeater function as a standalone utility, without having ISBoxer/Innerspace effect the rest of my setup.

spoon

09-15-2009, 05:07 AM

Ive redone it all, meaning i reinstalled Innerspace and ISBoxer, now running on 1 wow, (took the other folder away) and now it works like a charm :D

Still awaiting the update so that i can run my own keyboard layout ;P

Thanks for all the help!

Lax

09-15-2009, 09:53 PM

I don't mean without Innerspace. I've already purchased a 12 month subscription. :)

I meant is there a way to use the mouse repeater function as a standalone utility, without having ISBoxer/Innerspace effect the rest of my setup.
Well, technically with ISBoxer you can have it launch your team, and only assign a Repeater Profile to it. You can use whichever specific pieces of the config you want, so if you don't want a window layout or mapped keys or virtual files, you don't need to have them. You can disable everything in your Character Set, etc. By disabling everything but a Repeater Profile you'd be getting pretty much what you're asking for.

Meshuggenah

09-16-2009, 11:11 AM

Well, technically with ISBoxer you can have it launch your team, and only assign a Repeater Profile to it. You can use whichever specific pieces of the config you want, so if you don't want a window layout or mapped keys or virtual files, you don't need to have them. You can disable everything in your Character Set, etc. By disabling everything but a Repeater Profile you'd be getting pretty much what you're asking for.

Two problems I'm having are that the WoW clients won't accept input from any other programs once launched through Innerspace. Tested with Keyclone, HotKeyNet and a few other programs I use. Also, (probably just because I'm missing the option) but I can't see a way to disable mouse-click-window-swapping. Even once ISB/Innerspace has been completely shut down it keeps swapping with click.

One request that could make things a bit more user friendly is if you could add a toggle feature similar to the repeater popup in-game (with checkboxes for FTL, etc) to record keystrokes and add them to the broadcast list. The 1-0 keys are enabled via the quick wizard, but I found having to go through ISBoxer manually add keymaps for 100+ keystroke combinations pretty time consuming.

suicidesspyder

09-16-2009, 01:08 PM

cybernerv

09-16-2009, 01:59 PM

As stated with toggle is there a way to intergrate a pause button so you can type. I mean when i hit certain buttons if its a self cast or something it does it. Something like keyclone would be awesome so when i hit the number 1 thru = buttons i dont cast anything at all. My locks are the case number 6 is life tap if i do anything like that they do lifetap lol just seeing if theres a pause button kinda thing that can be keymapped.

if you did the wizard, you should have a "control" keymap. in the "control" keymap is a "activate keys" mapped key. you have to add all your keymaps that are not listed in "activate keys" to that keymap. You have to do it for steps 1 and 2 for an on/off effect. Its like the keyclone "pause" button. But you just have to add your keymaps to the list in "activate maps"..

hope this helps

Lax

09-17-2009, 01:19 AM

Two problems I'm having are that the WoW clients won't accept input from any other programs once launched through Innerspace. Tested with Keyclone, HotKeyNet and a few other programs I use. Also, (probably just because I'm missing the option) but I can't see a way to disable mouse-click-window-swapping. Even once ISB/Innerspace has been completely shut down it keeps swapping with click.

One request that could make things a bit more user friendly is if you could add a toggle feature similar to the repeater popup in-game (with checkboxes for FTL, etc) to record keystrokes and add them to the broadcast list. The 1-0 keys are enabled via the quick wizard, but I found having to go through ISBoxer manually add keymaps for 100+ keystroke combinations pretty time consuming.
1. Inner Space is running as Administrator, and so that means WoW is going to run as Administrator. That means that in order for other programs to interact with it, they too must run as Administrator -- be it input device software (e.g. logitech, x-keys, razer software), or keyclone or hotkeynet.
2. The mouse click window swapping is configured in your Window Layout. You can have it set to "Always" swap (which includes alt+tab and mouse clicking, etc), only "when I press a Slot activate hotkey" (configured per Slot in your Character Set), or "when I press ______". If it's not set to "Always", then it's not going to swap when you click.
3. I agree, and there is a feature planned for this, but then again if you're adding 100+ keystroke combinations, you might be better off just using Key Repeat in the first place instead of making 100+ individual mappings? There's probably a way to streamline your configuration instead of hundreds of mappings, so maybe we're having the wrong discussion. I have roughly 10-20 that I use on a regular basis, and another 10-20 that I rarely use -- numbers depending on the team I'm playing. If you're using a different key to heal a different character, for example, and 5 different sets for 5 different heals, and a bunch of different buffs, then perhaps we should teach you about healer addons (e.g. vuhdo) and Repeater Regions.

Meshuggenah

09-17-2009, 06:48 PM

1. Inner Space is running as Administrator, and so that means WoW is going to run as Administrator. That means that in order for other programs to interact with it, they too must run as Administrator -- be it input device software (e.g. logitech, x-keys, razer software), or keyclone or hotkeynet.
2. The mouse click window swapping is configured in your Window Layout. You can have it set to "Always" swap (which includes alt+tab and mouse clicking, etc), only "when I press a Slot activate hotkey" (configured per Slot in your Character Set), or "when I press ______". If it's not set to "Always", then it's not going to swap when you click.
3. I agree, and there is a feature planned for this, but then again if you're adding 100+ keystroke combinations, you might be better off just using Key Repeat in the first place instead of making 100+ individual mappings? There's probably a way to streamline your configuration instead of hundreds of mappings, so maybe we're having the wrong discussion. I have roughly 10-20 that I use on a regular basis, and another 10-20 that I rarely use -- numbers depending on the team I'm playing. If you're using a different key to heal a different character, for example, and 5 different sets for 5 different heals, and a bunch of different buffs, then perhaps we should teach you about healer addons (e.g. vuhdo) and Repeater Regions.

That fixed it! I knew the window swapping thing was just a setting I was'nt familiar with. Even though it's been suggested to fix several different problems I have, I can never seem to remember to tick run as admin.

Most of my keybinds I don't use often. Things like raid specific targeting, vehicle targeting, specific configs for certain encounters, etc. They add up. Simplifying my healing macros is one of the reasons I subscribed to Innerspace. Repeater is easily the best healing solution I've tried. Is there a specific addon that works better for click passing? I notice grid (which I use currently) seems to resize strangely in the other windows.

Meshuggenah

09-20-2009, 09:27 PM

HI again,

One issue. Innerspace seems to use the Tilde (~) key to toggle an in-game command prompt. Is there a way to disable this? I use Tilde as one of my standard hotkeys.

Lax

09-21-2009, 10:32 AM

HI again,

One issue. Innerspace seems to use the Tilde (~) key to toggle an in-game command prompt. Is there a way to disable this? I use Tilde as one of my standard hotkeys.
http://www.dual-boxing.com/showpost.php?p=226851&postcount=15

Chilaxx

09-22-2009, 07:12 AM

cybernerv

09-22-2009, 07:49 AM

Guys, a quick question about ISBoxer because i'm problly gonna start using it soon:

- Does it work with vista ultimate 64 bit? Or are there know issues?
- Does it have an option to save different settings? If yes, can you export these to a file or are they saved on your computer?

Thx in advance

Ciao

I use it on windows 7 64-bit with no problems(as long as it is run as administrator), so I see no reason why it will not work on windows vista 64-bit

I am not sure if it has an option to save different settings. I do however export my team to a file on my hard drive after I finish making a setup or configuring a setup. This way all I have to do is load isboxer, load my saved profile, export to innerspace and load profile from innerspace

Lax

09-22-2009, 12:46 PM

It runs on all flavors of Windows since Windows 2000. 32-bit vs 64-bit doesn't matter to ISBoxer or Inner Space (if the game itself was 64-bit, that would matter, but it's 32-bit)

You can keep as many team configurations as you want in the ISBoxer "profile" -- I have like 15 teams defined in the same one. You can also keep as many separate profiles as you want, theyre stored as XML files

Chilaxx

09-23-2009, 07:09 AM

Ah cool, thx for the info. Sounds superb!

When i'm done paining my studio and stuff, i'm back to MB'ing :p

Meshuggenah

09-26-2009, 03:55 PM

Shakula

09-27-2009, 09:37 AM

I tried to set up Mouse Broadcasting today and I have some problem with it. Whenever I turn on mouse broadcasting the pointer just stands there studdering makes it impossible to move the mouse. If I turn of mouse broadcasting it works fine again, but makes it impossible to use Mouse Repeater Regions as I got the same problem when I move the mouse to such area.
I tried changing from Multiplicity to Input Director, but same problem.
I use 5 computers with 4x 19" (1284x1024) and 1x 22" (1680x1050) tried setting main display to same resolution as the others but same problem.

Any idea what could be the problem?

Lax

09-28-2009, 11:37 AM

Is there any way to extend the virtual config files to include the UI? Or another function to save UI/Addon settings and import/export between clients?

Getting all the addons, particularly grid and raid windows, sync'd with less tweaking would be great.
Virtual files makes different files for each character or account -- in other words, if you want to sync some, virtual files will not be the answer. I don't know that much about syncing UIs and such between clients but I've heard there's tools to help with it?

I tried to set up Mouse Broadcasting today and I have some problem with it. Whenever I turn on mouse broadcasting the pointer just stands there studdering makes it impossible to move the mouse. If I turn of mouse broadcasting it works fine again, but makes it impossible to use Mouse Repeater Regions as I got the same problem when I move the mouse to such area.
I tried changing from Multiplicity to Input Director, but same problem.
I use 5 computers with 4x 19" (1284x1024) and 1x 22" (1680x1050) tried setting main display to same resolution as the others but same problem.

Any idea what could be the problem?
The issue you're having is that you're turning on Mouse Repeat on multiple PCs, and each of them has a foreground window. Any time the cursor moves in the foreground window with Mouse Repeat on, the movement is going to be sent to the Repeater Targets ("all other" unless you change it). That means when you move the mouse on PC 1, the mouse moves on PC 2, which then re-broadcasts it.

The solution is to enable repeating from the "Current Window" instead of "all windows"

Shakula

09-28-2009, 12:39 PM

The issue you're having is that you're turning on Mouse Repeat on multiple PCs, and each of them has a foreground window. Any time the cursor moves in the foreground window with Mouse Repeat on, the movement is going to be sent to the Repeater Targets ("all other" unless you change it). That means when you move the mouse on PC 1, the mouse moves on PC 2, which then re-broadcasts it.

The solution is to enable repeating from the "Current Window" instead of "all windows"

Makes sense, but I still have the same problem after changing this. Is there anywhere else I should change this? I changed it as below. (On both steps and on all computers).

http://www.shakula.net/wow/pic/ISBoxer.jpg

Lax

09-29-2009, 12:48 PM

I don't know, did you set it to default to on in your Repeater Profile?

Shakula

09-29-2009, 04:15 PM

Hmm think I found the problem, I think I forgot to export my settings to Innerspace. Atleast after I did that it started working, for the Mouse Repeater atleast.

Still have same problem with Repeater Regions. Mouse studders when I put mouse in that box. Think I tried every setting there, but nothing helps. Region "all others" makes it studders but it works to cast spells, region "1" no studders but no spells. Tried KVM button didnt help. What would be the right setting for multiple computers?

Edit: Got help in Chat, thanks!

suicidesspyder

09-29-2009, 04:53 PM

Thanx to lax this game has gotten even more fun lol. Im still a wizard set up kinda guy then add different key maps for different things but all and all i love this program. I can make sure my healer does stuff seperate without thinking about it. Same with multi class dps its such a great tool.

Altsoba

09-30-2009, 09:14 AM

I purchased IS recently and although my X-keys USB works with keyclone it doesn't work with IS.
Is there any way to set it up or any constraint? I'm running under windows 7.

Thank you.

Lax

09-30-2009, 03:46 PM

I purchased IS recently and although my X-keys USB works with keyclone it doesn't work with IS.
Is there any way to set it up or any constraint? I'm running under windows 7.
Run the X-Keys software as Administrator. This is required because Inner Space runs as administrator, and therefore when it launches WoW, WoW is running as Administrator, and the X-Keys software can't work properly since it is running with lower permissions.

Smoooth

10-01-2009, 12:33 AM

Altsoba

10-01-2009, 04:06 AM

Run the X-Keys software as Administrator. This is required because Inner Space runs as administrator, and therefore when it launches WoW, WoW is running as Administrator, and the X-Keys software can't work properly since it is running with lower permissions.

Clear and awesome :)
Thank you working 100%.

alcattle

10-01-2009, 07:12 AM

Lax

10-01-2009, 12:28 PM

I've got a problem and it is really annoying me. When I first set up my profile I made a keymap macro that used FTL and was used for following. Now I don't want it and no matter what I do I can't get rid of it. I've even started completely fresh profile. Every character I logged in with that profile has that macro. I can't find it anywhere in the wow UI to delete and it's not in the current profile to delete either. I deleted it from the first profile as my first attempt to remove it but it didn't work.

How do I get rid of it?

edit: I just made 100% sure that I don't have a single macro in wow that has /follow and nothing in my isboxer profile for it either. Yet when I press ` my guys all /follow and the keybind I have set for ` doesn't get pressed.

It sounds like you're running into an issue with ISBoxer that someone else recently ran into. You previously had a macro configured, and now you have 0 macros configured, so it's detecting that it doesn't need to generate the ISBoxer Addon for you. Unfortunately since you had already generated the ISBoxer Addon with that macro in it, the non-generation of the addon means that what's already there is not being replaced or removed.

To get rid of the macro, you can either a) create a different, harmless WoW Macro in ISBoxer and export (for example set no Hotkey on the Mapped key, and use a WoW Macro Action assigned to a Key Combination you never press like ctrl+shift+alt+Q, or even a key WoW doesn't recognize like F13), or b) delete the "ISBoxer" addon folder under WoW\Interface\Addons

Smoooth

10-01-2009, 11:51 PM

To get rid of the macro, you can either a) create a different, harmless WoW Macro in ISBoxer and export (for example set no Hotkey on the Mapped key, and use a WoW Macro Action assigned to a Key Combination you never press like ctrl+shift+alt+Q, or even a key WoW doesn't recognize like F13), or b) delete the "ISBoxer" addon folder under WoW\Interface\Addons

Thanks for the help. I made a macro to /dance bound to a unused key and it removed the old macro.

alcattle

10-02-2009, 07:00 AM

Where go da sticky :( ?

Lax

10-02-2009, 11:57 AM

The old mess of stickies was replaced with Zanthor's 3 stickies that should serve as more of an index to what someone might be looking for. If they understand from the thread titles that the post contain a list. :)

Dinnie

10-07-2009, 02:41 PM

Hi,

Im using ISBoxer and Jamba, got a question, is there a way, so press key, to let the slaves stop follow the master and take a position? or just a key to stop follow the master

lordmythic

10-07-2009, 03:05 PM

I can't seem to find how to turn off the DPS keys. I have a key to turnoff keyrepeat but for some reason the dps keys still repeat. Thanks in advance.

Lax

10-07-2009, 03:17 PM

I can't seem to find how to turn off the DPS keys. I have a key to turnoff keyrepeat but for some reason the dps keys still repeat. Thanks in advance. Repeater is independent from Mapped Keys. If you use the Quick Setup Wizard, then by default you will have Shift+Alt+R to toggle Repeat and Shift+Alt+M to toggle the Mapped Keys

Altsoba

10-09-2009, 07:46 AM

These are I'm almost sure really noob questions but I'm lost and need help :/

I've setup team and ftl using the wizards. It's my first time ftl and first tyime IS so it doesn't help neither :p
Installed Jamba 0.4g

I assume although I don't know if it's correct that the "main" is the toon I'm currently controlling. Do I have to press anything besides switching windows (pip)?

I'm having the following issues:
Follow works fine for all but the one is initially launched as MAIN and the one that invites the others to group (tries to follow another - the last "active" one);
Assist works fine for this one but not for the other 3 (assist sticks on the first "main" target).

Thank you for your help but unfortunately I'm sure I'll have many more questions coming :/

alcattle

10-09-2009, 08:08 AM

couple things to try:
make sure Key Maps are ON (default is shift-alt-m)
Toggle the follow key (default shift-alt-F)

Altsoba

10-09-2009, 08:21 AM

couple things to try:
make sure Key Maps are ON (default is shift-alt-m)
Toggle the follow key (default shift-alt-F)

Thank you so much, I'm feeling quite awkward lol.
There's no visual output when I press those combinations and there's no change neither. Is there any place to check if they're on or off?

Thanks

UPDATE:
Ok I get visual output for the toggle follow key. Here's what happens:
I activate follow key. I'm on the one with the issue, I press it, it works fine, I go through all the toons and it works just fine too, I come back to the one with issues and it has issues again.
I rinse and repeat and it's a cycle of ok not ok...

On the other hand, Key Maps on makes nothing, maybe because I'm on azerty and not qwerty and M is not at the good place? Is there a way to change the bindings?

I don't know if someone has time and is willing to but I am atm (GMT+1h - 13.43) in the isboxer chat.

LAST UPDATE:
Solved the follow issue in Character Sets on the Slot 1, then "when I switch to this char..." wasn't on. Turned it on so far works 100%.
Still no luck with the assist issue though. They only assist that toon and noone else.Keymaps are ON now. I confirm there was an issue with the bindings and keyboard layout.

Dinnie

10-09-2009, 02:18 PM

I had the trouble with assisting too, one character was dpsing, the others aborted. After one hour doing quick setups, i realized i messed with my keybindings in WoW itself. I resetted to default, and problem was over.

Altsoba

10-11-2009, 07:32 AM

I was able to solve every problem mentioned in my last post. I was messing up the ftl keys.

Thank you all, this is an awesome software.

Otlecs

10-11-2009, 02:00 PM

I should probably create a new thread for this, but since I'm here....

Has anybody had problems with key broadcasting just cutting out? As if inner space itself has hung?

I've been using it for the first time this weekend with my two mages (I'm not brave enough to make the jump with my main team!) and occasionally it stops repeating and stops responding to hotkeys (broadcast on/off, keymaps on/off, etc).

Yesterday this happened a couple of times and just re-exporting from ISB to IS was enough to kick it back into life. Today, though, it stopped in the middle of an instance and just won't kick in again. Even after a restart.

I see there was an IS patch when I fired up IS this morning, so I'm wondering if others have similar problems?

When this thing works it's almost like magic, so I'd really like to get to the bottom of this particular problem.

Lax

10-11-2009, 03:56 PM

Can't say I've heard of anyone having that sort of problem. Are you sure you didn't hit Shift+Alt+M (which can disable key maps) or some such?

One thing to check is if something broke in ISBoxer while you were playing. If you hit ` (by default, or if you dont have ` try F12) in game then an IS window will come up with some debugging info. It's possible that the key map script crashed and destroyed all of the key mappings in the process (only reason I can think of that you'd see the described behavior). If it did, there should be information pointing to the line of code causing the problem. Otherwise, there is other basic information that might be useful. If you see anything like that, something that looks like an error, etc let me know what it says

Jhax

10-12-2009, 04:35 AM

Im using ISBoxer and Jamba, got a question, is there a way, so press key, to let the slaves stop follow the master and take a position? or just a key to stop follow the master

I acheive this with one keymap button that requires 2 or more key presses.

1) The first sends the command to stop jamba strobing.
2) this step is not needed << I send a macro to all telling them to cancel click to move (/console autointeract 0)
3) this key requires the hold button sending option and only owrks properly on the right master character.
Action send to sharacter in slot 2 - Q
Action send to character in slot 3 - E
Action send to character in slot 4 - Q
Action send to character in slot 4 - S
Action send to character in slot 5 - E
Action send to character in slot 5 - S

I have not been able to combine all of the above onto one keypress that can be help down, but there may be a way of doing so.

I turn off click to move as part of the processs to prevent the toons running off, when i want them to turn / interact.

Otlecs

10-12-2009, 04:58 AM

Thanks Lax, I'll try to remember the console key next time!

I've re-mapped it because I use ` as my broadcast toggle, but I'll try to work out what I've re-mapped it to and start a new thread next time I get time to play :)

I've decoupled mouse and keyboard broadcasting, and neither of those hotkeys was working after the apparent crash. Nor was the keymap on/off key.

I'll post again later in the week.

Chilaxx

10-12-2009, 06:43 AM

Hey guys, I started using IS Boxer last night, but still got some questions:

1. I have an azerty keyboard (Belgium), the numbers above my keys (1-9), i can't seem to bind them.. maybe it's the fact that with azerty you have to push SHIFT + one of those keys to get a number.
Ok this isn't easy to explain, so another try:

with an azerty keyboard:
normal press = &,é,",',(,§,è,!,ç,à
Shift + press = 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0

I've tested the macro i had written with another key and it worked, so not sure what's the problem..

2. I really want to work with clickboxer, but is there somewhere a better explanation on how to use this than the one on the wiki? Or is there a DTD file for the XML? This way I can edit it a lot faster in Visual Studio for example.

3. With clickboxer, i've seen "<leftmouseclick>" or something like that in the XML, does this mean you can add a "<rightmouseclick>" or anything other then leftmouseclick? Just wanted to know what it's functionalities are :-)

4. The FTL setup, I'm not 100% sure on how to use this with the modifiers.. You don't actually have to press the modifiers right? You just bind for example "p" to act like "Shift + Alt + P" and the FTL macro would accept "SHIFT + ALT + P" instead of just "p" ?
You don't have to explain the whole FTL concept to me, just if my assumptions are correct or not :p

thx in advance!

Ciao

[edit: another question added]

alcattle

10-12-2009, 07:56 AM

1.There might be easier way to deal with your keyboard, Lax would get with you. For now, go to your ISboxer setup and look for the DPS keys. Those are 1-9 on a Qwerty. Each one will have a keybind/press tied to it, you can click on that and press the key you want to use. So 1 in IS will be the unshift key on your keyboard.

2&3 k now nothing about /clickboxer.

4. If you used the Quick Wizard Setup, FTL is all set and you do not need to know anything going on in the background. Click on an alt's window. That toon becomes leader and the rest follow / assist the main screen. Using Jamba makes things even easier with follow strobing.

Hope this helps a little.

Lax

10-12-2009, 01:04 PM

moosejaw

10-12-2009, 02:19 PM

Lax, I found a keymap behavior last night that was unusual and I am not sure if it is intended.

The FTL dps keymaps all use the assist {FTL} keymap reference prior to firing the 1 through = keys. This resolves perfectly and I love it. But when I turned on the global "hold down keys when key is pressed" flag for the general map (for movement key entries I made) the assist stopped functioning for FTL DPS assist.

Unchecking the keypress flag and checking it on each movement key was my fix. Is this intended? It certainly explains why my previous efforts to duplicate this function wouldn't work.

I guess I should segregate the movement keys out to their own keymap anyway to keep things clean.

Thanks for the hard work!!

Lax

10-12-2009, 05:32 PM

Unchecking the keypress flag and checking it on each movement key was my fix. Is this intended?
Not "intended" no, but not something easily fixed in the current platform. The next-gen software in development has this issue properly handled

burningforce

10-12-2009, 06:20 PM

The next-gen software in development has this issue properly handled

oh do tell :D

sounds interesting;)

Lax

10-12-2009, 10:55 PM

It's in development, and I'm not announcing the features yet.. There's some exciting new stuff though :)

I am hoping to have an internal alpha operational soon but it's been pushed back by adding Aion support (which is also coming for ISBoxer). The back end is basically ready to support all of the features anyone has dreamed of, and now we're getting started on the front end. I use Twitter to provide progress updates on the software, so if you want to see how it's been going and what I'm working on you can see https://twitter.com/LaxLacks. My Twitter followers tell me they always hated the idea of Twitter because they don't care about Ashton Kutcher etc, but my feed doesn't involve my personal life, and I post information they actually want to see.

When the new software comes out, current subscribers will not need to make a new purchase to upgrade (so there's no "penalty"), and they can just continue to use what they were already using if they want (ISBoxer will continue to be supported too).

burningforce

10-12-2009, 11:43 PM

awesome lax, thanks for the twitter link, looking forward to updates :)

Chilaxx

10-13-2009, 03:01 AM

1. You can't bind them where, exactly? You can use them as Hotkeys in ISBoxer, and the "press key combination here" box will auto-detect any key pressed on your keyboard. However, if you make a WoW Macro Action, and set the "Key Combination" as a button that WoW has assigned to your Action Bars, it will NOT be able to make the macro. If you want a WoW Macro on your action bars, you need to make it in WoW

2 and 3: As is explained on the ClickBoxer page, ClickBoxer is just a sample UI made via LavishGUI (the UI system built into IS). The section on that page titled "Learn more about LavishGUI" provides links to all of the information you might need as far as the actual XML. No, there isn't a DTD, sorry. I have 0 experience at making DTDs so if you want to give it a shot...

4. You do not press the actual FTL modifiers. By default, for example, 1 through = (or & through whatever the end of your action bar is) will FTL assist, and press the key. You just press the key as you always would, and your other guys assist. Likewise, if you wanted Shift+& to auto-assist, you would copy the same thing the other "FTL DPS keys" are doing -- a do mapped key action to do the "FTL Assist", and then a keystroke action to press Shift+&. If you do it right (by not enabling Hold or FTL on your new Mapped Key, and doing the same actions as in the example keys), then you can use any Hotkey and any other keys, and never have to worry about the actual FTL. You can just assume that by using a Do Mapped Key Action to do FTL Assist, it is going to assist your character, and so on. That is, unless one or more of the 3 keys that implements the FTL (these are FTL Follow, FTL Target, and FTL Assist) is having a problem.

Thx a lot for the reply m8!

- The thing with my keyboard, i'll try it some more this evening, hope i get it working, if not, i'll make my macro's in WoW for my 1->9 buttons. Thx for the explanation :-)

- Also sry that I missed the "LavishGUI" section at the bottom, kinda missed the obvious there :p. I might be able to make a DTD when I get the time for it, but if I do, it would be nice to know if this is something that'll be still usable when your next gen app is coming out ;-) if not, don't think i'll bother :p

- And also thx a lot for the explanation about how FTL exactly works, i think i fully understand now! And i'm gonna try it out for sure!

- Thx for the twitter link, it's nice to watch your progress :-)

- Btw, what are you gonna use as frontend? :p You said it's gonna be next gen so... WPF? :cool:
(if so, if you got any question, i can help ;), ok sry, i'm just fishing for spoilers now :D)

Keep up the good work!

Ciao

Lax

10-13-2009, 11:06 AM

- Btw, what are you gonna use as frontend? http://www.dual-boxing.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif You said it's gonna be next gen so... WPF? http://www.dual-boxing.com/images/smilies/cool.gif
(if so, if you got any question, i can help http://www.dual-boxing.com/images/smilies/wink.gif, ok sry, i'm just fishing for spoilers now http://www.dual-boxing.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
Yes, it is currently being developed with WPF, and should look and feel absolutely beautiful compared to the ISBoxer interface (which, while functional, is not the prettiest, and not always the easiest to follow ;) )

Jheusse

10-15-2009, 10:37 AM

Really looking forward to the new version/interface. The existing interface I'd make an analogy to HP calculators with their RPN style calculation entry compared to traditional. Very powerful, very flexible, and you can make an argument that it's superior in function, but it can be really hard to grasp and can take significant time to train your brain to work that way intuitively.

It's been a very slow slog for me to embrace the existing interface, as much by lack of time as by lack of brains, but I'll be interested to see the new interface. The wizards and quick starts and videos have brought ISBoxer from "oh no way, don't even think about it unless you're a coder yourself" to "It's a little tricky but even a layman can handle the basics". It's only a little further in layout and interface to where the light bulb goes on for halfwits like me.

Chilaxx

10-16-2009, 03:51 AM

It took me 3 evenings to finally get something going where I was really proud of.
Some stuff that got me frustrated was that apparently my FTL modifiers weren't recognized.. only 3 of the 6 are usable for me. Tbh, this isn't a real problem for me, but it was hard to find out.. I'm a programmer myself, so it's a bit easier for me to find my own bugs :p

But tbh, lax has done a fantastic job with isboxer, the only sad thing i can think about is that i didn't use it right away when i started boxing! The program is super, but that's not all imo..
You also get great support: irc / forum / the thing where you can post your config in (don't remember the name)
And also, you know he's a great developer, and that he keeps developing isboxer.

Those were 2 of the things that made the switch to isboxer a no-brainer for me!

Just wanted to post my findings ^^

Ciao!

Seldum

10-16-2009, 01:15 PM

Thanks for a great Original Post. It was really helpfull in getting started.

I have previously used keyclone and Jamba but im trying ISboxer and innerspace out.

Im struggeling with understanding the FTL system build in into ISboxer, but ill read a bit more and hopefully figure it out.

My current question is how you guys use the repeater. Im use to keyclone where all my keystroke gets repeted on the slaves. I know I can enable this in Isboxer, but I think I wont because it also has some draw backs.

Atm im configuring the F-keys to be repeated on my slaves... but I would also need to setup fx. Shift+F1 seperately if I need this combination repeated....

My question is, do you guys specify all combination you need in ISboxer under keymaps or do you toggle repeater on and off as needed?

My All druid team is only lvl 54 so I don't have alot of instance experience, yet, and therefore not a very sophisticated setup for now.

*EDIT: Poor language.

Ualaa

10-16-2009, 05:17 PM

I personally have gone with keymaps for anything that I'd like to do on a regular basis as part of my playing.
I've broken repeater into two hotkeys (keyboard on M1 and mouse on M2 - using a G15).
I only ever use keyboard repeating for things like entering password/authenticator code or /use Hearthstone.

Reglar

10-18-2009, 02:32 AM

So I followed the tutorial in the original post, but I must be not understanding something or set it up wrong.

I have my DPS keys (1-=) in a set with FTL enabled.

I have my individual keys with 1 step which do 2 actions - first sends my assist key, then the DPS key (so 1 is set up to press the assist key and 1).

If I have the key itself set to use FTL, the assist works, but the DPS key shows up as !. If I turn off the FTL option on the key, assist doesn't work but 1 passes correctly and fires the button mapped to 1.

If it matters I'm using Bartender4 for my bar mod.

BTW, I have assist in a different keymap set, if that matters. It fires fine by itself too.

So, what have I screwed up?

Thanks.

Lax

10-19-2009, 12:52 PM

Your DPS keys should NOT have FTL enabled, and do not have it enabled by default. Enabling FTL on your DPS keys will stop things from working correctly.

Exactly 3 keys should have FTL enabled: FTL Follow Me, FTL Assist Me, and FTL Target Me. All other keys should use FTL through those keys via a Do Mapped Key Action.

Reglar

10-19-2009, 01:33 PM

Thanks Lax. I'll fix that tonight.

---

Yup, that fixed it, thanks again. Just in case you update the original post in the future, in the DPS key section it shows a normal key action in the screenshot, not a Do Mapped Key Action for the assist key, and that's where I went off track.

Seldum

10-20-2009, 10:42 AM

I finally got to play a bit over the weekend and finished the fairly "simple" setup im currently running. I though I better start out simple and then add stuff on as I go along.

I'm still not satisfied because I don't feel enough in control of my toons, but im slowly getting the hang off it.

I did a quest with a mob that constantly fearbombed my group. I found out the hard way about having Jamba followstrobing on.... it was total chaos lol.

I have used the setup wizards and modified the keys for "setjambamaster" "jambastrobe bla bla." But I find that I constantly have to hit these buttons to make my toons follow my current char. When I swich window the new toon (2) becomes master. Which is fine I guess, but when I swich back to the "main" all toons still think the other toon (2) is master. So I have to manually set my main to master again.

Any tips how you guys control your group with ISboxer and Jamba?

My solution to the fear problem was to disable follow strobing, putting the group out on one side, and controlling my "main" when it got feared.

Im considering turning of the followstroping, and making a seperate follow button as I used to have to control when my toons should follow the char im currently controlling.

also, can you put a popup text in the Repeater profile to make it popup when you toggle repeater on or off?

Great program Lax, and thanks for your huge passion towards wow. You and the rest of experienced players on this site rocks.

Ualaa

10-20-2009, 01:25 PM

I too initially enabled FTL on some of my FTL DPS keys.
Basically figured the default action was use FTL, so moving to Use FTL instead of Default action made no difference.
Once I reverted to only using FTL for the three keys mentioned above, two of my issues disappeared.

The support for ISBoxer is as good as the support for Keyclone.
The community is lucky to have such great options and strong support for them.
I've seen Freddie post a lot of support too, so that is not limited to just the two products I've used.

I really like the functionality of toons automatically following the new toon on a character switch.
However, running "Shoot'em Up", and having all of my toons get out of the turrets...
Three of them ran over the edge and died, when I switched back to the tank from the toon who was in the middle most of the turrets.
Really a funny moment. With anything, you need to experiment with it and learn what works and what doesn't.

In my case, disabling keymaps let's me switch windows without auto follow kicking in.
I know enough now, to be able to turn auto follow on a PiP swap off.
But I'd rather have it on by default and turn keymaps off when I want to disable the behavior...
Then to have it off by default and press the follow key all the time.
Then again, in heroics independent movement can be an asset, so more then one set up depending on what I'm doing... ie automatic follow in PvP but not on my PvE teams might be an idea.

Lax

10-21-2009, 02:19 PM

I have used the setup wizards and modified the keys for "setjambamaster" "jambastrobe bla bla." But I find that I constantly have to hit these buttons to make my toons follow my current char. When I swich window the new toon (2) becomes master. Which is fine I guess, but when I swich back to the "main" all toons still think the other toon (2) is master. So I have to manually set my main to master again.
I believe this has to do with the speed of switching. If I switch through a lot of different windows very quickly, I notice that the Jamba Master doesn't instantly change every time. That's not so much of an issue as if you're using strobing though. Both of these are hampered (slowed down, impeded) by using the Jamba "all" tag to tell the other characters to set the master and the same for follow strobing.

Any tips how you guys control your group with ISboxer and Jamba?

My solution to the fear problem was to disable follow strobing, putting the group out on one side, and controlling my "main" when it got feared.

Im considering turning of the followstroping, and making a seperate follow button as I used to have to control when my toons should follow the char im currently controlling.
You know, even after automatic transmission was invented, many people still buy cars with manual transmission. That's because the automatic version sucks in various situations, where manual will give the driver full control over what's happening.

I don't use strobing because I prefer the level of control that an auto-follow key gives me. It's one of my 3 most important keys, which are Follow, Assist, and DPS Spam. If you watched me during combat, my left hand is almost exclusively pressing those 3 keys, with one finger on each. Also, many times I like to switch characters around and do different things on each, and having the others auto-follow me when I switch would be annoying. For example, doing collection quests if I'm right by like 3 objects on the ground that each guy is supposed to be collecting, I try to minimize my total time by running up to 1 and looting with one guy, and while he's busy with that I can loot with another guy. If the first guy turned around and followed, that would defeat the purpose ;)

With that i mind, I will say that I am keeping all of these issues in mind and will make better solutions available as soon as I can

also, can you put a popup text in the Repeater profile to make it popup when you toggle repeater on or off?
Instead of adding additional features to the built-in repeater hotkeys, the functionality available to Mapped Keys is extended. The Quick Setup Wizard for example gives you Shift+Alt+R to toggle Repeater, and it has a popup text action.

Ualaa

10-21-2009, 02:39 PM

One thing that really helps is to go through everything the wizard has done.
Don't make any changes from the default initially.
Just click on everything and see what it has set up, to help understand why it works.

Every problem I have had, has come from changing something from the default.
Naturally, I want my own set up, so a lot of things are modified.
Unfortunately, I modified things which shouldn't have been, but thanks to strong support everything is good again.

For the repeater, two steps is superior to a toggle.
The wizard gives you two steps.
It also has keyboard and mouse repeating on the same key.
Step one enabled the repeating.
And it also gives a short pop up text.
Step two disables the repeating, also with a short pop up text.
Here steps are referring to different actions on the same hotkey.
Each step actually has more then one thing happening on the step.
I copied the keyboard/mouse repeater keymap.
Then renamed the first (original) to keyboard repeater.
Renamed the second (copy) to mouse repeater.
Changed to hotkey on keyboard to M1, and on mouse to M2.
Also removed check marks, so keyboard is only keyboard and mouse is only mouse repeating.
Added the respective M1/M2 light on, on step one and light off, on step 2.

The software is extremely flexible, as is.
And it is regularly being updated for bug fixes and new features.

Seldum

10-22-2009, 07:51 AM

Thanks for the answers.

I did excactly what you suggested Ualaa, I carefully read through all the default stuff so I could get an overview of all the neat functions. That coupled with the videos and Wiki really helped a lot. Some of the videos I have look through maybe 3-4 times. Really helpfull. I love the wizards, it saves a ton of time.

I disabled the default keymap for repeater (cleared out the hotkey) after a little while, as I found out it was build into isboxer as a function - the repeater profile. I think I will disable the repeater profile again and go back to the keymap setup. That Message which popup is really nice.

I'm very careful not to mess around with the default settings because some functions is tied together - so changing one thing might effect another. Its a learning process for me, but im really amazed about the possibilities.

Lax, thanks for your comments. Ill try and disable the followstrobing and implement a follow macro, as I was used to prior to using ISboxer. Ill also setup movement on my alts on the "Arrow" keys like I used to. I found that very nice.

I expirenced the issue you said with collection quests... hehe swiched to the toon which should pickup something, and it continued to followstrobe to the main :)

I have also been looking at Clickboxer to use for my healing.... but im struggeling to understand what it does and how it works, for the information I can find on Wiki.... as far as I understand its "only" a layout for buttons. But I guess fiddeling around with this would explain a bit :) but I take it one step at a time.

Tsumi

10-22-2009, 03:54 PM

Nevermind. Figured it out

Ualaa

10-22-2009, 05:39 PM

For the healing, the easiest and strongest solution I've found so far is repeater regions.

Just press your hotkey to bring the in-game GUI up.
I believe Zanthor suggested Alt + Ctrl + /

Choose which regions the repeating goes to.
Name it whatever you want.
Set it to save as "auto", so it will automatically load.
If you save it as anything else, you'll need to manually load it each time.

Get an addon for the units.
Vuhdo can do this as a single addon.
I personally use Grid (with GridCustomLayouts) and then Clique for click casting.
You want it alphabetical or another fixed order, so it appears the same on each client.

With one healer, you'd only want repeating on their client.
With one healer, KVM mode is a good idea, so the tank/dps doesn't switch targets by clicking on the repeater region.
With something like 5x druids, priests and shamans, you might want all clients to repeat.

When you click on a name in Grid or Vuhdo, it passes the click on to the chosen client(s).
Vuhdo, Healbot or Clique will have the toon cast a specific spell based on the click.
You can have modifier keys passed on the click too.

Imagine having a 40 person raid displayed.
Your team can heal by clicking a frame.
Maybe Alt Right Click is chain heal, and Ctrl Right Click is Lesser Healing Wave.
You're free to dps as normal, but anytime you want to heal its very easy to do so.

Seldum

10-23-2009, 06:42 AM

Nice tips and hints... atm I have bound healing for my resto druid on F1-F5 for a button for each druid. Then made a macro with modifiers so if I do ctrl+f1 I get a Healing Touch, and if its with no mod theres a castsequence with rejuv, wild growth etc.

But im not at all pleased with the setup. Its to slow atm. I had my tank die yesterday because my healer also does dps, and was casting a Star Fall while my tank needed a Healing Touch.... I tried Healbot earlier but diden't like it at all. Gonny try out Vuhdo - Grid look like a kewl mod but I have stopped using UI mods since they tend to get screwed over every patch which I got sick of.

Used to use Macaroon aswell for macros but I lost my setup once and stopped using it. Back to the "normal" wow UI :) Simple.

I will try and use the repeater regions instead of clickboxer over the weekend and hopefully combined with the vuhdo mod it will rock! :)

The druids are somewhat tricky to manage when it comes to healing. Because I have a dedicated healer, but when doing quests I want the healer to do dps and the dps to help with a rejuv once in a while, fx. when runnnig in travel mode not stopping for mobs attacking me, its nice to /cancel stance /Cast rejuv (Target=Jambamaster), /cast Travel Stance or whatever and continue..... 5*rejuv rocks when not in instance.

In instance I use a more common setup of Tank/healer/*3boomkin. But in teory when doing quests I think it would go faster if I did Cat/4*Boomkin.

Argh all those posibilities :D

*Edit: Typos and poor language - Sry guys.

Ualaa

10-23-2009, 03:14 PM

It's probably the easiest to go 5x Boomkin, unless you need tanking and/or stronger heals.
Instances the 3 boomkin, 1 resto, and 1 feral route is probably the best.

If you have a dedicated healer and want them to assist with the dps, different macro's can help.
Put your default spam dps on say key 1 for everyone other then the healer.
Put the same macro on key 2 for everyone, including the healer.

When you'll need heals, spam 1 so the healer is not casting.
When you won't need heals, spam 2 so everyone is dps'ing.

Alternatively, you could go with a series of keymaps for the healer.
We already have an FTL key, for when we press 1, it determines target and then sends 1 to each client.
Create a group, which does not include the healer.
Change the target of the default FTL key, to this group.
So when you spam 1, everyone except the healer also spams 1 and FTL assists correctly.
Then create another FTL key, triggered by 1, which sends FTL assist and the 1 key to the healer only.
And make a toggle key, ideally two steps. Step 1 enables the healers FTL 1 assist key and step 2 disables it.
If you're playing multiple groups, you'll want the 1 FTL key to still work for them too, so be aware of that if you alter it.

Seldum

10-26-2009, 07:04 AM

Again, nice tips. Especially with the dps.

I spend 4 hours on friday setting up more stuff like movement of my toons without followstroping so I can hit "Arrow down" and followstrobing is off and my toons move backwards. That really helped with the positioning etc. Especially when my group recieved AoE damage... I can just move all 4 of my toons and let the tank stay in the same place.

Thanks to the people in the mirc channel for ISboxer I got the repeater regions setup aswell combined with Vuhdo. That was fairly easy, what took me a long time was to make the healing macros for heals to be cast when I hit fx. left click in the repeater area so Vuhdo would heal a given toon.

The difficult part was to get a macro with the condition [nostance] to work . I found out that Vuhdo dosen't update the macro automatically if I change the macro in the macro menu in wow. I needed to drag the macro to Vuhdo again to make sure it updated it. After fiddeling around with this, I finally got everything to work.

I have set it up as follows.

When in stance, Bear/boomking/travelform etc. no healing is done.
When not in stance any toon heal.

As I haven't unlocked the "tree of life" stance yet on my healer, he is the only toon not in stance when Im in instances etc.. therefore he casts healing spells when I click the repeater area/Vuhdo.

But if everything goes to hell I have a button where all toons except my tank goes out of stance and therefore helps with the healing.

And it works sweet. I really got into a mess last night fighting a boss and I was able to heal through it nicely.... I will bet that I would have viped without the repeater regions/vuhdo setup. I love it. Thanks for the help.

Im considering making a specific guide to using vuhdo/ISboxer repeater regions mainly because the wiki is a bit weak on this part. We have a nice description on how setup repeater regions here but I think a more detailed description might come in handy. I would have saved me alot of time :) But my english suck. So someone might have to read i through prior to me posting it hehe.

Is there any way to setup repeater regions to automatically launch upon entering the game? As of now, I have to "load" a setup when I get into wow. Its no big deal but if it was possible to launch is when I start out I don't need to remember it.

Lax

10-26-2009, 01:08 PM

Is there any way to setup repeater regions to automatically launch upon entering the game? As of now, I have to "load" a setup when I get into wow. Its no big deal but if it was possible to launch is when I start out I don't need to remember it.Repeater regions are stored in sets (per character set). The set named Auto will be loaded by default (in other words, the simple answer to your question is to leave the text box as Auto when you click Save). If you are saving your set as something else, you will need to manually load it either through the in-game GUI or with a Mapped Key that has a Repeater Regions Action

Fizzler

10-26-2009, 01:32 PM

Repeater regions are stored in sets (per character set). The set named Auto will be loaded by default (in other words, the simple answer to your question is to leave the text box as Auto when you click Save). If you are saving your set as something else, you will need to manually load it either through the in-game GUI or with a Mapped Key that has a Repeater Regions Action

I stick with Auto myself. Just add as many repeater regions as you need and than save it as Auto.

Seldum

10-27-2009, 04:07 AM

Thanks for the answer Lax..

ZooljinX

10-27-2009, 07:22 AM

I have been using IS:Boxer for a while now, and for me it was a HUGE uppgrade from keyclone, my keyclone was a bitt unstable and "laggY" IS:Boxer is completly lagg free, and has alot of nice fetures for Multiboxers, 100% recomended!

QuantumX

10-27-2009, 01:37 PM

Well i cant seem to get the keymaps off function to work and i dont understand why.

its bound to Shift+Alt+M but if i click space or any other key it still works any help would be appreciated.

ATM i'm still struggling with the difference between Key maps. and repeater profiles.

Ualaa

10-27-2009, 02:05 PM

You have a repeater option.
The wizard by default gives you mouse and keyboard repeating on one key.
I've modified it to be two keys, one for each.
But at the heart it's the same thing.
When repeater is on, everything is broadcast to all clients.
However, Keymaps still supercede key presses, if you have a key configured to do something.

When repeater is off, Keymaps can be on or off.
The default setting is repeater off but keymaps on.
While Keymaps are on, anything you have set will broadcast to the targets you have selected.
Each Keymap has a trigger or hotkey.
Each has an output (per Step) and a target which the output applies to.
A single step means the same thing happens on each press.
Multiple steps means different things can happen on each step.

For IS to function the same as Keyclone, while Pause is enabled...
You'd need to have both Keymaps and Repeater off.
If you press your Repeater or Keymap hotkey, you should get the message.
Either "Keymaps Enabled" or "Keymaps Disabled". Or the same for Repeater.
If you're not getting the message, then hotkey is wrong.

In Keymaps - Control, the Keymap you want is "Activate Maps".
This controls when other Keymaps are enabled or disabled.
If you click on this, it will list the Hotkey on the right.
Shift + Alt + M is not necessarily the hotkey, it could have been changed.

Lyonheart

10-30-2009, 04:28 PM

Is there a way to have it NOT switch regions when i click on an alt region? I only want to switch an alt screen to my main screen by pushing a hotkey. I like being able to take my mouse over to an alt screen to do something on that screen without it switching.

Fizzler

10-30-2009, 06:25 PM

Natarks

10-30-2009, 11:32 PM

Is there a way to use the second row of keys, i.e. Shift+(1-=) for dps as well without messing up the wizard FTL setup?

Reglar

10-30-2009, 11:36 PM

Is there a way to use the second row of keys, i.e. Shift+(1-=) for dps as well without messing up the wizard FTL setup?

Just add 12 more keymaps, only use the shift<key> as the trigger and what is sent.

Natarks

10-30-2009, 11:57 PM

Just add 12 more keymaps, only use the shift<key> as the trigger and what is sent.

I wasn't sure if this would mess up the default FTL setup which has "shift" as one of the FTL settings. I just made all of the FTL's use 2 function keys (shift+ctrl) and it seems to work, at least shift + one is working.

I had a hard time with this initially, even with the wizard setup, going from keyclone. I think all my /focus macros were messing stuff up, but once i got rid of all /focus macros on all my guys and redid the wizard, it seems to be working as intended :D

Now to start getting more keys to work.

TeamGhostWolves

10-31-2009, 01:03 AM

I wasn't sure if this would mess up the default FTL setup which has "shift" as one of the FTL settings. I just made all of the FTL's use 2 function keys (shift+ctrl) and it seems to work, at least shift + one is working.

I had a hard time with this initially, even with the wizard setup, going from keyclone. I think all my /focus macros were messing stuff up, but once i got rid of all /focus macros on all my guys and redid the wizard, it seems to be working as intended :D

Now to start getting more keys to work.

yes when i first started useing IS and innerspace i had the same issue so i had to go back and clean all my bars :D :D

but now i love innerspace/IS need a quick change just open change reload ui and good to go makes life easy when you need to fix something.

Natarks

10-31-2009, 09:05 AM

if one guy crashes, is there a way to just restart that window without having to restart them all?

Iceorbz

10-31-2009, 11:07 AM

if one guy crashes, is there a way to just restart that window without having to restart them all?

This would be great, ive had a few guys pop out of their window and I close everything to reset one of them.

Ualaa

10-31-2009, 02:58 PM

With Keyclone, I was able to just input the command for that specific wow.
However, with my latest bug where one toon freezes, but doesn't give an error, this work around doesn't help.

Switching to ISBoxer, I get the same error, so its not software dependent.
Like Keyclone, once the window freezes, it's gone.
Have pretty much had this since upgrading to i7 920, Asus P6T and 12gb ddr3.
Same video card as before (which had no errors for a year) HD4870 X2, same HD 150gb Raptor etc.
I can still use the other windows, but once I close the remaining open wow's, the keyboard and mouse are nonresponsive.

Right Click and Close Program do not work.
End Task does not work.
Both result in a window saying the program is not responding.
Cancel closes the window, and end task acts like you clicked cancel.
But neither close the window.

Anyway, that's a little off topic.
I'd like a way to launch a single ISBoxer window, if one crashed but the others have not.
Not sure if that's easy to implement or not, as ISBoxer seems to launch characters in sets.

Lax

10-31-2009, 03:00 PM

Just launch the Character Set again and only the missing one(s) will launch

Fizzler

10-31-2009, 03:03 PM

Just launch the Character Set again and only the missing one(s) will launch

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Ualaa

10-31-2009, 03:17 PM

Thanks, did not think to try that.
(Thought it would open 5 more wow's)

Natarks

10-31-2009, 11:12 PM

Just launch the Character Set again and only the missing one(s) will launch

Sometimes the obvious answer works best. ;)

Thanks.

Slats

11-01-2009, 09:06 PM

Yep I noticed this too as I was looking for the same feature. Region 3 crashed, just relaunched the character set and the 3rd shaman was back in AV nice and quickly. :)

Tsumi

11-01-2009, 11:31 PM

Anyone able to give a quick and dirty on how I could change my 5 and 6 on my keyboard to round robin? I've looked around the forums and have been unable to locate it.

My team is set up and working perfecly but I would like to place my BE racial on 6 and Hammer of Justice on 5 using the round robin. Thanks for any help or diretion to a post that already has it.

Ualaa

11-02-2009, 12:35 AM

Open ISBoxer Tookit.

On the top, click on your FTL Keymaps.
On the left, click on the + to expand DPS 5.
Right Click on the 1, under Steps.
Copy Step to Clipboard.
Reopen 5, and Right Click on Steps, select Paste from Clipboard.
Repeat, until you have 5 steps in total.

Click on the 1, under Steps.
On the right, the second command is 5 > All. Click on this.
Further to the right, you'll see Target.... Window: All w/Current
Click the arrow icon and change the target to the first toon's name.

Click on the 2, under Steps.
Repeat as per Step 1 above, but change the target to the second toon's name.

Repeat for all 5 steps.
Or as many steps as you have toon's in the character set.

Then do the same for 6.

Important Note...

Once you do this, the 5 and 6 key will have multiple steps for every character set you create.

So if you have more then one set now, or if you create another set in the future, you'll want to modify your FTL DPS 5 and 6.

What I did was Right Click on DPS 5.
And select Make Copy.
Then took the original and renamed it DPS 5 (ALL).

For the copy of DPS 5 at the bottom.
Renamed it.. DPS 5 (Blue).
But pick the name of your Character Set, or something you'll remember.
Then do the modifications, as above...
So you have DPS 5, as a round robin for your team.

With the original, which we renamed to (ALL).
Click the + to expand it.
Click on the 1 under Steps.
Click on the 5 > All.
Change the target to the name of your first set (that is not the round-robin set).
The option you want is All of Set Name. There will also be All Others In, which you don't want.
Then Right Click on Actions, and select Keystroke Action >> New Keystroke Action.
In the Target box, select All of Set Name, for the 2nd set which is not the round robin character set.
Click Key Combination, and pick 5.

Repeat as necessary, so 5 is sent to every set that does not want it to be round-robin.
That way, 5 acts as a normal FTL key for other character sets.
But is also a round robin for the set we have modified above.