[Samjacked] Shitstorm

[Sam DeathWalker]

So the guy in EVE will also be banned?


Ummm when did he say he is using accounts not in his name? That is illegal and banable. Not to mention that accounts not in his name don't count towards his total of boxing the most accounts, which may make me the top WoW boxer number wise ... gimmie a link.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Just thought I was banned but I'm not, hip hip hoorah ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=123892&highlight=Prepared+accounts#post123892')


So you're really supposed to be provide accurate information. But Blizzard will not ban an account that is in good standing (Blizzard getting income from) that is not breaking any rules if you're just boxing with accounts that have different names on them. I've been boxxing for about 2 years with accounts I created that have different names and never received any warning. Prior to creating the 32 new shaman I'm working on now, I had one of each class (9 accounts) that I boxxed with and many times I was threatened with reports, etc but never once received anything from a GM.

Well umm humm ....

Why would you have accounts not in your name if you pay with a credit card that is in your name?

[Gadzooks]

So the guy in EVE will also be banned?


Ummm when did he say he is using accounts not in his name? That is illegal and banable. Not to mention that accounts not in his name don't count towards his total of boxing the most accounts, which may make me the top WoW boxer number wise ... gimmie a link.Dude. It's not always about you.

[Moorea]

Why are you guys still trying to argue or have any kind of sane exchange with Sam ?

ps: Sam you won't ever have WG problems because you need to be 80 to be of any value in WG (well technically you can go there at level 1; maybe to spy but...)

Now about the facts, maybe prepared if he is the accused as it seems can share his view of the story ?

[Oatboat]

When did this turn out to be a witch hunt? If you weren't there you cannot add your two cents. If you were there and saw what was going on, by all means tell us. Please stop flaming other multiboxers here. This is a place to come together and get advice, not to come together and roast others.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Prepared has defended his actions sufficiently to my satisfaction.

There does seem a logical reason to have accounts in multiple names.

I don't belive some random bozo on the CS forums over Prepared.

I really don't think that me or Prepared "represent' the general multiboxer community, our play style is way to different from 5 or 10 multiboxing, JUST AS 5 or 10 is diffferent then 1.

Also you will note that none has complained about my actions in game (even if you go back to EQ), in fact the only people who constantly attack me are boxers from OTHER servers lol ....

I just don't attack anyone who dosnt attack me first, thats how I played in EQ also. If people want to test their might against me fine, if not why waste their time.

I 30 box right now (25 shaman, 5 mage, 1 pal prot). Ill settle on 23 shaman 6 mage 1 warlock 1 prot pal as my final 31. The warlock being for transportation purposes.

I really don't see why Fur is down on both me and Prepared at every opportunity, but that is his perogitive.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Oh Fur is Allience lol well that explains that.

GO HORDE! Allience is suxors! HORDE RULZ DUDE!

MOOHAHAHA.

[Moorea]

I really don't see why Fur is down on both me and Prepared at every opportunity, but that is his perogitive.

Sam nobody cares about you because you're still nobody / the worst wow player - reach level 70 (or even 60) then you can come back - don't try to associate yourself with Prepared's fame just because you happen to have similar number of accounts :-)


(hopefully this should get a new cute thread lock picture)

[railz]

Deleting my original post. I don't want to feed the troll.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Umm Drunken Dwarfs aren’t known for their visual acuity or their penultimate integrity.

Can you post these SS at some decent resolution, on my 1600 X 1200 it looks to small to make much out.

Random acusations are flying all over the place, without links (at least we have a link to the last SS).

I think that making accusations that someone is cheating without links to actual evidence is a lot more "trolling" then anything i have done.

Anyway not much left in this thread to argue about, either Blues will take action if there was wrongdoing (which I really doubt) or they won't.

The simple proof is that Preparded still has all his accounts and will probably be back in WG tonight.

[Yamio]

Sam, go to the WoW forums and look it up for yourself. Quit being a child and asking for a handout. You've been here long enough that it's time we stop holding your hand and bottle feeding you about every-gawddawn-thing there is to know about WoW, and multiboxing, and all that.

Information is free. Please go read something.

Edit: Oh btw that little comment about you and Prepared playing a 'different' game than the rest of us cause you're playing more characters is pure bullshit. Playing more than one character is multiboxing. Period. I don't give a shit if you're playing 100 characters, you still represent the community with your actions.

If one multiboxer, playing more than one character doing anything reflects on all of us. What the fuck is so hard to understand about that concept? You and I are about the same age, and I've seen your posts, and I agree, you ARE on a different plane, but that's mentally, not gamewise.

You are a problem.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Fur, The problem is that your "discussion" is always, 100 percent of the time, every time, all the time, contrary to either Me or Preparded regardless the subject, regardless the facts, only based upon who takes what side of which argument.

Thats not discussion or argument or debate ......


I went to the wow forum, its the same link, with the same low resolution 800 X 500, posted by a Drunken Dwarf.

[Yamio]

POST DELETED.

Edit: Sorry, I just did my taxes and I owe more than I have ever owed before. I'm upset and will be for the next few months. Forgive me.

[X-Ifist]

You have to be special do something this retarded with accounts for 3000$

[Bigfish]

Time to upgrade your spectacles Sam.

[Oatboat]

someone just lock this thread before peoples heads explode

[Sam DeathWalker]

I also don't believe the "you're a MBoxer so it reflects on all of us" BS, we're individuals... there is probably at least 1 criminal in our community, does that mean we're all criminals ? there is defitively 1 clueless moron with the worst possible taste, does that mean we're all like that

qft

Sure I'm glad that the clueless moron's actions don't reflect on me.

[Moorea]

I also don't believe the "you're a MBoxer so it reflects on all of us" BS, we're individuals... there is probably at least 1 criminal in our community, does that mean we're all criminals ? there is defitively 1 clueless moron with the worst possible taste, does that mean we're all like that

qft

Sure I'm glad that the clueless moron's actions don't reflect on me.

I can't tell if you're being clever or not but this definitively made me chuckle !

[Yamio]

Thinking of people as groups and not individuals is the ideology of knuck-draggers everywhere. I'm sure there are people who have suffered at the hands of racism or bigotry that would like to argue that point with you. But that's not the discussion is it?

You think the normal WoW player has the capacity to see us as individuals doing our own thing, or do you think they see us as just another multiboxer, without a name, or a face?

Didn't the accusation of all us living in our mom's basement teach you anything?

Your actions in game reflects on all of us. Sorry if you don't believe that but unfortunately, it's true.

[railz]

Sam said it was impossible to tell who the toons were or what faction. I proved him wrong.

Actually the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced Sam is a prolific troll and cannot surely be as dumb as he seems.

[Yamio]

railz~

You have no idea dude! Sam's trolling ability is on an epic level never before seen by man.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

I also don't believe the "you're a MBoxer so it reflects on all of us" BS, we're individuals... there is probably at least 1 criminal in our community, does that mean we're all criminals ? there is defitively 1 clueless moron with the worst possible taste, does that mean we're all like that

qft

Sure I'm glad that the clueless moron's actions don't reflect on me.

No, your own clueless actions speak for themselves loud and clear.

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/mfl/lowres/mfln130l.jpgYa know, since the thread is basically down to name-calling now, I'd like to throw my 2 copper in and request that putative moderators not participate in said trolling, even if it is sometimes funny and germane.

I think too many of you think Sam takes himself too seriously, which probably means the joke's on you, brah. :P

[Malekyth]

You have no idea dude! Sam's trolling ability is on an epic level never before seen by man.And the administrator here refuses to remove him. /sigh.
Probably because Sam isn't trolling, he just has a number of regular posters who don't like him and think it's adequately diginified to keep reminding us. Sam's posts aren't generally problems in themselves, but they often cause problems when the anti-Sam gang responds with their "just stop talking," "you're clueless," "you suck"-style discourse. That is much closer to trolling, IMO.

[Bigfish]

Probably because Sam isn't trolling, he just has a number of regular posters who don't like him and think it's adequately diginified to keep reminding us. Sam's posts aren't generally problems in themselves, but they often cause problems when the anti-Sam gang responds with their "just stop talking," "you're clueless," "you suck"-style discourse. That is much closer to trolling, IMO.

Yeah, if you ignore all of Sam's hypotheticals, misinterpretations, innacurate information, and inability to draw meaningful comparisons, sure.

[Seraphaw]

Ya know, since the thread is basically down to name-calling now, I'd like to throw my 2 copper in and request that putative moderators not participate in said trolling,

Then have me stripped of my moderation rights.

I made it clear long ago that I have zero tolerance for Sam and the bullshit he's spews on these forums.Hey mister, have you tried the ignore feature?

[Memn]

Ya know, since the thread is basically down to name-calling now, I'd like to throw my 2 copper in and request that putative moderators not participate in said trolling, even if it is sometimes funny and germane.

I think too many of you think Sam takes himself too seriously, which probably means the joke's on you, brah.

^ ^ ^ ^ This


Its not our place to judge Prepared. Blizz will sort out what has been, or hasn't been done. The original post on the CS forum describes a repulsive tactic... doesn't mean its true... Prepared's rebuttal was feasible, and he has the benefit of the doubt in my book - but all that matters is what Blizz says.

Its disappointing to see members of the community turn on each other as they have in this thread.

[Bigfish]

Hypotheticals, misintepretations, inaccurate information, and inability to draw meaningful comparisons are trolling?

Uh, yeah, when you do it damn near every post it is.

[Oatboat]

edited for my dumbness

[Malekyth]

Hypotheticals, misintepretations, inaccurate information, and inability to draw meaningful comparisons are trolling? Uh, yeah, when you do it damn near every post it is.If it was his intent to muddy the waters by introducing inaccurate information, etc. for the joy of watching people fall over themselves to smack him down, then that would be trolling (and strong evidence that you are easily manipulated). This doesn't seem to be the case. That you don't dig Sam's posts doesn't make him a troll, it just means you don't dig his posts. Stop trying to insist that "troll" is defined as "doesn't agree with me" ... that's a misinterpretation and highly inaccurate.

[Oswyn]

You guys remind me of the baseball league I'm in. So many times, arguments start up after a bad call, trash talking starts, and then next thing you know people are being shoved and fists are flying. And here I thought it was just a game...

[Yamio]

Nerds fighting is not nearly as entertaining to watch as a brawl at a baseball game thou.

[Zub]

pretty much the same for me Deekhay.

(it's also funny to see how most people complaining about Sam are the ones derailing the threads. just use /ignore guys.. and yes you'll see the answers made to Sam, just /ignore them as well or live with it.)

[Bigfish]

That you don't dig Sam's posts doesn't make him a troll, it just means you don't dig his posts. Stop trying to insist that "troll" is defined as "doesn't agree with me" ... that's a misinterpretation and highly inaccurate.

Don't try to pull that shit on me. I was giving Sam the benefit of the doubt months ago when he was still starting. I was more than willing to overlook Sam's misunderstandings of the game when he was new, but he didn't improve. He just kept posting the same shit over and over, and every time someone points that out, Sam hijacks the thread with his typical misdirection and irrelevent and/or innacurate arguments. Hell, if he wanted to spew his garbage in his own thread, fine, whatever, but watching threads get Samjacked left and right is really annoying.

Wilbur was right.

[Zub]

Don't try to pull that shit on me. I was giving Sam the benefit of the doubt months ago when he was still starting. I was more than willing to overlook Sam's misunderstandings of the game when he was new, but he didn't improve. He just kept posting the same shit over and over, and every time someone points that out, Sam hijacks the thread with his typical misdirection and irrelevent and/or innacurate arguments. Hell, if he wanted to spew his garbage in his own thread, fine, whatever, but watching threads get Samjacked left and right is really annoying.

Wilbur was right.
I find that most threads with Sam derail because others makes them derail. if everyone (who answers sam) would put him on ignore, threads (like this one) would not derail.

[Bigfish]

I find that most threads with Sam derail because others makes them derail. if everyone (who answers sam) would put him on ignore, threads (like this one) would not derail.

Exactly. Sam posts in thread. Thread derails in responses to Sam. Sounds like text book trolling to me. Personally, I more or less ignore him at this point. I only get annoyed when people start trying to defend him when they read one of the more blunt responses people give because they don't want to waste the time on a long, drawn out post on why everything Sam has said is stupid and moronic.

[zanthor]

I find that most threads with Sam derail because others makes them derail. if everyone (who answers sam) would put him on ignore, threads (like this one) would not derail. Exactly. Sam posts in thread. Thread derails in responses to Sam. Sounds like text book trolling to me. Personally, I more or less ignore him at this point. I only get annoyed when people start trying to defend him when they read one of the more blunt responses people give because they don't want to waste the time on a long, drawn out post on why everything Sam has said is stupid and moronic.What I see most often is Sam posts in a thread trying to genuinely contribute - however Sam has proven to have a very inaccurate view on game mechanics and is good at posting disinformation and believing it is truth. He phrases it as if it were fact.

Then the SamHaters(TM) leap at an opportunity to not only correct Sam but verbally assult Sam in such a fashion that the thread derails.

So my question is, who is the troll, the ignorant poster who tries to contribute, or the longstanding well informed members of the community that allow themselves to get so frothy over the idea of a man in a fuzzy loincloth posting bad information that they drag the conversation farther and farther off topic?

Back to the OT (Original Topic)... Prepared - are the alliance toons yours, and were you doing more than just afk farming badges?

[shaeman]

I agree with Bigfish.

I was a big defender of Sam, until I figured out that Sam is deliberately obtuse, Is most likely an alter ego created specifically to wind people up.
Read threads that Sam has posted on before, his spelling and grammer are atrocious, at times coming across as barely literate.

Now go back and read some of his posts on this thread. Quite a difference (even including self deprecating humour in one post).

His posts follow a pattern. Post something, revealing a lack of knowledge in WoW .
In response to every helpful post explaining things, post a response that reveals that you aren't listening to what they are saying,
and if possible add in a bit of arrogance (although the arrogance has been on the backburner somewhat).

The same thing is posted in umpteen different ways and Sam manages not to get it. It annoys people.
Discussion is a two way street - and people get frustrated when they feel they aren't being listened to.

For example in this very thread I try to make the point that all mmorpg games aren't the same.
They are owned by different companies and have different terms of service. He finally seems to get the fact that EVE isn't WoW, then says
but what about EQ. (and to his credit he hooked me, I bit).

This sort of thing was also evident in the Mob tagging thread and those that preceded them.

I for one will never post a direct response to Sam from this point on.
There seems little point in ignoring him - as his posts are often quoted by others.

Now if i can only get rid of this niggling paranoia that Prepared and Sam deathwalker are one and the same and it's all just a big joke
played on us. :)

[blast3r]

This thread is not about Sam.

[Tasty]

This thread is not about Sam.

Too late

[Yamio]

Samjacked. I like that word. It fits!

Prepared - In all fairness, it's none of our business if you have both Alliance and Horde toons on your server. Yes, it's a PVP realm, and having toons on both factions is dirty....IF you are playing both at the same time during pvp. It's your prerogative whether you want to own up to it...

...but my fear is this accusation is kind of like being accused of being a rapist or a child molester; whether you're guilty or not, the accusation has been made and you'll always be thought of as the accused.

[wolpak]

I am new, but I like Sam. There is something fun about someone who is so self-unaware about himself. I mean, we all got problems. But, pointing to his in particular is unfair while we keep all of ours hidden. We need an intervention thread for everyone.

[Los]

Yes, multiboxers are just like real people, bastards.

[Tasty]

Yes, multiboxers are just like real people, bastards.

Bastard coated bastards with bastard filling :P

[Bigfish]

Bastard coated bastards with bastard filling

Soaked in bastard sauce with a bastard on top.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

/thread

Only thing left is parsing subjectives and more name-calling. :P

[Sam DeathWalker]

Excellent overall result, fair to bring in whatever, just can't hold important locations. Very resonable. Glad to see everything settled resonably and logically to the satisfaction of all those interested in a fair outcome. Although I had some questions at first, Prepared intital explaination was more then enough to convice me that he was in the right.


If the multiboxer had separate computers for each account and used full screen, it probably could be done but that would be very expensive

That would be me I am always in full screen (six screens), but I have no intention of making allience toons.


By the way everyone keeps posting these lousy resolution pics. Go to image shack and upload the full resolution pic. Go to where it says "direcet link to image" and copy that then come here and click on the picture thing in the edit mode and put the url you got from image shack there. It will reduce it but when you click on it it goes full resolution; like this:

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/4002/wowscrnshot040809104407.jpg

[Malekyth]

This is inaccurate - I control 5 turrets every day in "Shoot em Up - For the Horde!" out in icecrown. Utilizing the mouse broadcast in Innerspace I can easily control all 5 mice in a realtime broadcast, it's beautiful to see syncronized cannons rotating and obliterating targets left and right.
As a non-Interspace user ... would love to see that Frapsed. :)

[Oswyn]

Have a nice day all, just play the game as you like it best and play by the book or just assume consequences. Whatever the pick, it's just that person's business.

Amen brother.

[zanthor]

This is inaccurate - I control 5 turrets every day in "Shoot em Up - For the Horde!" out in icecrown. Utilizing the mouse broadcast in Innerspace I can easily control all 5 mice in a realtime broadcast, it's beautiful to see syncronized cannons rotating and obliterating targets left and right.
As a non-Interspace user ... would love to see that Frapsed. :)http://www.wemultibox.com/blogs/zanthor/shoot-em