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Sam DeathWalker

04-06-2009, 06:22 PM

I wouldn't make any allience toons for any reason. Don't have any and don't plan to make any.

Also although I talk with 6 at a time cause its just easyer for me to do so I don't hardly talk on the trade channels unless someone is spicifacally talking about me, ya I might talk with 6 saying the same thing (cause my keyboard goes to six computers ....) but I dont say more then 4 things a day in trade if that.

Looks like I do have a future in WG lol ... everyone saying nothing to do with 31 toons HAR!

In his defense though he's not doing anything clearly illegal, he pays for 36 accounts so he has a right to say things 36 times more then one account in trade.

Is it a violation of the rules to have horde and allience characters .... I don't read that anywhere .....

Is it a violation of the rules to not fire from a turrent? Doubt it.

.... I mean really there is nothing previsloy illegal being done here. Notheless you can bet that boxing allience and Horde chacaters similtaionsly in WG is going to be made illegal for good reasons.

Gadzooks

04-06-2009, 06:22 PM

Whoever it is, I suspect they're going to lose their accounts soon, if they're asking people to e-mail CSF about it specifically.

Gadzooks

04-06-2009, 06:25 PM

Not that I can see that wow forums thread where I'm at, but I get the general gist, and I have to wonder if the number of boxes one runs correlates to ass-hattery, and if so, what does that say about me?It's not a complaint against that many accounts, whoever it is, is using Alliance toons to gain control of turrets and vehicles in WG, and telling the Horde players what he's doing with his Horde toons, so they get easy wins.

I suspect this will be considered win-trading, and all accounts will be permabanned.

Or, one can hope.

Gadzooks

04-06-2009, 06:26 PM

Sam DeathWalker

04-06-2009, 06:27 PM

He won't get perma banned, he might get a warning and told to destroy his allicen toons at the worst, as he is doing nothing pervisoulsy prohibitied.

As I stated I won't be making any allience toons for any reasons at any time for anything.

You dont have to win every battle to be the best, you only have to defeat any given opppenet 50.1 percent of the time or better to be the best.

i dont play underhanded or with gimmiks, you saw me lose enough against Loja, I take the lose with the wins. In fact this very morning there was a single allience level 45 killing mobs right next to me, I didnt even attack, whats the point its a auto win for me and whats to prove? If he would have attacked me I would have done him in but hey he's paying his fees, why waste his time for no gain on my part (although he was stealing some of my mobs lol).

That being said again, he didn't violate any existing rule so there should be no penalty. BUT playing allience and horde toons similtansly in WG should be make illegal.

Also if what he did is bannable how come this guy wasn't banned in EVE:

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/mmorpg-general-discussion/37752-bob-disbanded-eve-online.html

On SZ guilds would have spys in other guilds all the time. Bannable?

Starbuck_Jones

04-06-2009, 06:57 PM

Villainous!

Diwa

04-06-2009, 07:09 PM

It's a dirty tactic that can be banned for Wintrading or not . You can treat it like a spy in a real war. This kid has found that loophole that should be fix in the next patch. Like after 3 consecutive chat spam you're toon will be silenced for 30 minutes like in Ragnarok. In the turrets or tanks you'll be boot out if you're not shooting for 1 min or if you didn't hit an opponent after 10 shots. What he has done will surely be imitated by other people who has the same attitude towards the game. What if a Horde guild have a an Alliance Sister guild in the same Realm will do the same? WG is still new and needs some tweaks. I just hope that people will not blame Multiboxing in general eventhough the thread starter in WoW forums pointed that out.

Jubber

04-06-2009, 07:10 PM

First of all. Comparing 2 different games doesn't make any sense. Unless their rules are 100% identical to each other. It's like comparing apples to grenades. (bit of a stretch but you get the idea)

Second. prepared said that he has had threats of being reported and what not. How many people threaten us multiboxxers everyday and actually go thru with it. Also Blizzard may or may not ban you at any given time. Whether that is right away or a few months down the line, no one actually knows.

Sam DeathWalker

04-06-2009, 07:22 PM

Gadzooks

04-06-2009, 07:29 PM

What if a Horde guild have a an Alliance Sister guild in the same Realm will do the same?

Ya really its not like you have to box to be able to do it.

Well the guy in EVE did something to effect the game 100 times more then what Prepared did (if the allegaltions are true)....

Let me ask this. If prepared was ONLY running his allience toons and none of his horde toons were online and gave infos to Horde and refused to fire so that Horde won would that be illegal "wintrading". I don't even know what win tradeing is ... did the EVE guy "wintrade"?Yes, it would. He is abusing the mechanics of the game to influence the outcome of the match - he's guilty under the broad umbrella of "the spirit of the game", the same if he'd been communicating with either side to influence battlegrounds and arenas.

The boxing comes into play because he's "camping" turrets and vehicles, prohibiting alliance players to use them, and telling the horde he is doing so. Not technically "win-trading" (unless he's working with both sides to throw games on purpose), but I guarantee you it will be found to be a big enough violation to strip him of all gear and honor, if not outright permaban him over it.

The issue in EVE was completely different.

Sam DeathWalker

04-06-2009, 07:32 PM

He was accused of spamming the trade channel and playing allience and horde toons to the advange of his horde toons in WG at the same time, and then Fur accused him of using accounts not in his name.

Well sorry Im not up on the latest cheating techniques as well as you are, Fur.

How is the EvE situation different, a guy who is loyal to one side, infilitrates the other side and then DISBANDS the other side lol ... Err actually he was on Side A, was sent to infilitrate Side B for nefarious purposed, Decides Side B is superior and then DISBANDS Side A.

Basically one guy playing on two sides at the same time to the determenet of one side.......

Malekyth

04-06-2009, 07:44 PM

Oh god, what a dick. The concept of the of lyin', cheatin' multiboxer is usually wishful thinking on the part of someone who just wants to believe it. Now there's an actual example of a truly assholish multiboxer. I guess it was inevitable but it's still sad to see it.

If we were a political organization, I think now would be the time to release a solemn statement condemning the actions of this individual.

Sam DeathWalker

04-06-2009, 08:00 PM

He didnt do anything that was previously held illegal.

Blizzard has stated Instance boosting is "not working as intended".

Are people who instance boost "asshats" or "takeing advantage of game mechanics", he should not be banned for doing actions that are within the rules even if they work "unfairly" to his advantage.

So at the most he should lose the grear and honor he got from WG, at the VERY most.

Then Blizzard should simply declare that you cannot similtounsly play horde and allience accounts in WG or maybe at any time. Once they make it illegal, then ban violators, but not before its clearly a violation of the rules.

As to the multiple accounts in different names ... exactly why would you create an account in a name not yours?

Kruschpakx4

04-06-2009, 08:23 PM

Blizzard won't bann him for win trading. You can report the same fucking farm bot every day, he is still there. You can also report a guy who is sitting in wintergrasp vehicles and /afk - blizz wont bann him. Ok If he is going to take like 16 tanks and /afk blizz would warn him.. but never bann.

Malekyth

04-06-2009, 08:54 PM

He didnt do anything that was previously held illegal.

...

Then Blizzard should simply declare that you cannot similtounsly play horde and allience accounts in WG or maybe at any time. Once they make it illegal, then ban violators, but not before its clearly a violation of the rules.
I totally get what you're saying, and often I'd agree, in the interests of fairness. This guy is exploiting a hole in the rules though, and I don't have a lot of sympathy for people who adhere to the letter of the law while thumbing their nose at the spirit of it. I don't know the wording of the policy offhand, but I understand that an account can't have a character of each faction on the same pvp server. Alliance and Horde also cannot communicate, conventionally. These two facts contribute to the "spirit of the game" and have been deliberately circumvented by this dude, in the interests of breaking gameplay in Wintergrasp in his favor, making the game less fun for many people trying to play fair. Even without a standing rule about multiboxing a PvP server, I'd say Blizzard (which has a ban-first,-sort-it-out-later attitude anyway) will not have to deliberate too long before crushing the guy ... And THEN making a rule. It would be severely unjust were he to get a quiet reprimand and then be allowed to run back into the world, flaunting his lack of permban to the people whose game experience he pissed on. Anyway, he's demonstrably the kind of guy who'd try to break the game to his own ends, and they don't need that kind of player slithering around.

Menthu

04-06-2009, 09:36 PM

Anyone else besides me that had a laugh on their face reading they might get banned?

I mean....so much time invested and then do this....

After a shitty day irl, this makes me a happy troll.

Junglelove,

-Menthu

Stealthy

04-07-2009, 03:21 AM

Win trading - purposely throwing a PvP based match for the benefit of one party.

If he is taking 6 toons and monopolizing alliance defensive measures for the sole purpose of taking them out of the overall equation - and then telling the other faction this information for the sole purpose of winning - this is win trading. It is also against the "spirit" of the game.

This IS illegal per the previous PvP rules on win trading.
Indeed.

If the alleged activites are investigated and found to be true, I would expect the punishment to range from having gear/honor stripped, right up to the perma-banning of one or more accounts.

It would be a shame if the guy behind of the more interesting projects in wow (36 boxing) is resorting to exploting WG to get ahead...

Cheers,

S.

puppychow

04-07-2009, 03:53 AM

Blizzard does indeed ban if they feel you are using multiple accounts to get around their rules of cross-faction communication. My brother had one of his accounts banned pre-TBC for using multiple accounts to xfer stuff using the neutral auction house, they did reverse it after a lot of emails and of course I dunno if they changed this policy post-TBC.

It is a pretty fuzzy line imo, after all what if two friends are chatting on IRC and one is helping the other with the exact same info, thats not really ban worthy now is it? So what makes it really different if the same person is doing it with multiple accounts?

One of the many reasons why I am always leery of doing anything that could get me noticed by anyone in game, Blizzard does not need any reason whatsoever to ban all your accounts. There are tons and tons of stories of people who got banned for the strangest of reasons, and many never are able to get Blizzard to unban. Making it so obvious as to spy with two sets of multiboxers seems a pretty foolish move.

shaeman

04-07-2009, 04:20 AM

Well sorry Im not up on the latest cheating techniques as well as you are, Fur.

How is the EvE situation different, a guy who is loyal to one side, infilitrates the other side and then DISBANDS the other side lol ... Err actually he was on Side A, was sent to infilitrate Side B for nefarious purposed, Decides Side B is superior and then DISBANDS Side A.

Basically one guy playing on two sides at the same time to the determenet of one side.......

Sam, can you even grasp that EVE and Warcraft aren't the same. They are owned by two different companies that set their own terms of service.
In EVE they might like it that people can spy on others, and figure it as cyberpunk industrial espionage.

Blizzard want their Battlegrounds to be fair. Ideally X characters against X characters. On pvp servers you can't create a horde character and an alliance character on the same account. You cannot whisper the opposite faction. This pretty much lets you know they don't want cross faction communication. Multiboxers cloud this issue, as they can have multiple accounts on either faction.

This has probably gone on for a long time (especially on pve servers where you can have characters on both factions). It's probably been done on a low level, with
troop movement reports, or letting them know you are the only one defending the flag, come and get it. Probably a slight advantage at best.

However a 36 boxer doing this and being pretty blatant about it, taking over vital defense resources with the intention of swinging the outcome is something Blizzard will need to do something about. Probably not a perma ban - This time.

Sam - you are generally lacking in knowledge when it comes to wow, so I'm not surprised that you aren't as up to date on cheating techniques as Fur.
(Knowing about cheating methods doesn't make you a cheat, as I'm sure your statement was meant to imply).

RobinGBrown

04-07-2009, 04:46 AM

Well the guy in EVE did something to effect the game 100 times more then what Prepared did (if the allegaltions are true)....

Let me ask this. If prepared was ONLY running his allience toons and none of his horde toons were online and gave infos to Horde and refused to fire so that Horde won would that be illegal "wintrading". I don't even know what win tradeing is ... did the EVE guy "wintrade"?

In EVE you are allowed to scam the other players, it's considered part of the whole PVP process. What the guy did in EVE is 100% legal by the game rules. EVE has terrible game rules and awful customer service. The people who play it either like it that way or put up with it.

EVE IS NOT WoW!

Also I'd be surprised if Prepared is doing this as opposed another 36 boxer. From what I've seen Prepared acts sensibly and this is definitely a stupid thing to do. The sort of thing someone who knows very little about the game would do... Please don't make allegations unless you are sure, 36 boxing is not an elite 2 man club, anybody with time and money can do it.

Sam DeathWalker

04-07-2009, 05:10 AM

However a 36 boxer doing this and being pretty blatant about it, taking over vital defense resources with the intention of swinging the outcome is something Blizzard will need to do something about. Probably not a perma ban - This time.

So you basically agree with me...

Ya EvE is a different game and different companies, what about EQ then, on SZ people had characters in different guilds on different sides. I just don't think that what he did is clear enough that he should be banned for it. Loja talked to me all the time on some horde toon he made, I didn't think it was a big deal. Really I dont understand why they dont allow the factions to talk to each other.

Another, unknown, 36 boxer on the same server as Prepared ... ummm no.

On the other hand I am a bit more interested in what the possible ligit reason there is to make an account not in your own name?

homerjunior

04-07-2009, 05:14 AM

Sam you will have to find it yourself but win trading is bannable, And people were kicked out of last years arena tournament because of it

shaeman

04-07-2009, 05:34 AM

So you basically agree with me...

As usual sam, you ignore the vast majority of a post and try and pick one small detail that proves you right.

To state it plainy - I don't agree with you. I said what i thought blizzard will do, not what I personally think. I think a ban is in order.
Firstly if the accounts aren't all in the same name then that's against ToS, which should be an insta ban.
Secondly he was making it impossible for others to compete evenly for his own benefit.

Who cares why he set up accounts in other names - let's face it, your only interest in this one detail is so you can define yourself a winner in some way that nobody else will agree with - well unless it's "the one player with the most WoW accounts in their own name as far as we know of". Congratulations.

EQ is another company. *sigh*. Yet again you seem confused. Just listing another MMORPG doesn't change anything.
Unique companies, unique terms of service that you agree to when you play them. They don't all have the same rules. Some companies actually don't allow multiboxing *gasp*.

Ultimately, Blizzard can do what they want to with this.

homerjunior

04-07-2009, 05:52 AM

So you basically agree with me...Who cares why he set up accounts in other names - let's face it, your only interest in this one detail is so you can define yourself a winner in some way that nobody else will agree with - well unless it's "the one player with the most WoW accounts in their own name as far as we know of". Congratulations.
Grr now you have made him think he is right again :P

Prepared

04-07-2009, 05:58 AM

There are'nt too many 36 boxers, and whoever is doing this needs to knock it off.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16137186051&sid=1

This is the kind of stuff we need to avoid, it's the kind of thing that can be used to shut us down.

It's very interesting how you see something such as this and believe that the person doing the accusing is telling the truth. Throughout this entire message thread most of you have written believing what was posted in that message thread as the truth. It was a lie! Is it true I have Alliance and Horde? Maybe, but that's not against the rules. Is it true that I got onto a vehicle on any Alliance characters in Wintergrasp on any realm whatsoever? No, I've never done it. The person that posted the lie told others that I had done that and those others also believed it and posted lies in addition to the original poster. I play 10 level 80 Horde characters in Wintergrasp and give it 100%. I have no time at all to get onto a vehicle to stop the Alliance from using them. Hell, I never even thought about that let alone did it. I've posted several messages in the Aegwynn forums about the accusations made against me. I would have posted in the Customer Support forum but it was locked.

Since the subject has come up again about my account names, I'll state it again for everyone to see. My accounts have different names on them as the owner. I created them that way. Is there a problem? None whatsoever as long as I am secure in the account information. I have all secret questions/answers, blizzard authenticator attached and all keys used in all of the expansions and the original game because I bought them from the store or online at the Blizzard web site. Different names on accounts does not mean you are sharing accounts. Sharing of accounts is against the Terms of Service of the game and there are ways of determining if that is happening such as tracing TCP/IP addresses, etc.

Having separate accounts with characters on both Alliance and Horde on a PvP realm is not against any rules of World of Warcraft. However doing certain actions such as getting on vehicles and not moving I would think would get a player a warning. Have I received such a warning? No, I have not. But I did get in conversation with a GM in the game about it. And the reason was because so many players believed the liar that posted the offense that they put in a lot of reports. Even the GMs appeared to have believed it because they posted in a blue comment that they would look into the matter and take appropriate action, etc. When I spoke with the GM in the game he told me that I would not receive a warning on any of my accounts but that I have a high profile and there were many reports (because of the original liar that dreamed this up).

On Aegwynn, Horde owns Wintergrasp about 80% of the time. Primarily because I understand the battle and give directions prior the start of the battle in the raid and in Horde trade chat about what players need to do. It works most of the time and I will post the strategy here for anyone that needs the information. The thing is, some players already know it, but they don't let other players know it prior to the start of the battle. That's why the Alliance loses, they don't tell the players what to do at the start of the battle. You have new players, you have players that want to play on their own, etc, but if you have a strategy which all players believe will win the battle and they are working towards that strategy, you are more than likely going to win the battle. This is the reason the Alliance players on Aegwynn came up with the lie. They kept losing in Wintergrasp and I kept blowing them away with 10 level 80s with PvP gear most of the time. Some of the times they would get the best of me, but I would read based on what is happening (walls broken down or a workshop owned, etc) as to where they were headed. Having a character on the opposite side only allows you to see where the other side is if you are in their raid. I don't have that luxury because they know my character names. So they came up with this lie and like you and others that have read the post believed it. Now I have taken a lot of my time in explaining the entire situation simply because one player decided to post a lie in the customer support forums.

I will state it again for everyone to be clear on this: I have never gotten onto any vehicle in Wintergrasp on any Alliance character. I have not received any warning from any GMs.

By the way, the same person, Frostkitten, which posted a discussion in the Customer Support forums a number of months ago about limiting the number of characters a player can multibox was involved with this lie as well. This is the message thread that I posted to http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16137526332&sid=1&pageNo=1 ('http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16137526332&sid=1&pageNo=1')

The truth is that recently I have ganked Frostkitten and members of his guild about 50 times in the last few days. The funny thing is that I didn't go after him, he came at me and even used exploits to get to me such as flying into the Wintergrasp fort after a battle with his guild mates only to get WTFPWNED by me and others in the area.

Prepared

04-07-2009, 06:09 AM

[quote]However a 36 boxer doing this and being pretty blatant about it, taking over vital defense resources with the intention of swinging the outcome is something Blizzard will need to do something about. Probably not a perma ban - This time.

On the other hand I am a bit more interested in what the possible ligit reason there is to make an account not in your own name?

Good question. The reason is so that if an accident in typing into trade chat or other chat channel occurs which got sent by all characters intead of one character that was intended to be sent from, and someone submits a spam report, there won't be any further investigation by a GM into it if the accounts have different names. That's the first thing they check.

I don't want to block sending the slash character / to my clients so I am careful to make sure PAUSE is on before typing into trade. However, sometimes I type fast or think that PAUSE is on but it's really not and may accidentally send chat text from all characters.

shaeman

04-07-2009, 06:17 AM

Prepared I apologise.

I should have said that if this person is doing what he is accused of he should be banned.
There was an assumption of guilt on my part, based on a one sided account from someone I don't know personally.

I should remember to get both sides of a story before making any judgement whatsoever.

KvdM

04-07-2009, 06:20 AM

http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?articleId=20460

"Limitations placed on Account Access
The ToU speaks extensively about what you may and may not do with a World of Warcraft account. This section highlights a few passages from the ToU that are most relevant to this policy. The core message is that you, and only you (with the exception of a minor authorized to use an account by a parent or guardian), should be accessing an account registered in your name."

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.html

"Establishing an Account.
Prior to (or in lieu of) creating a user account on the Service (a "WoW Account"), or using an existing WoW Account, you may be required to establish a separate account (a "Blizzard Account") on Blizzard�s centralized account system. When creating these accounts, you may be required to provide Blizzard with certain personal information, financial information and an unused Authentication Key provided to you by Blizzard. You agree that you will supply accurate information to Blizzard when requested, and that you will update that information promptly after it changes."

shaeman

04-07-2009, 06:21 AM

Good question. The reason is so that if an accident in typing into trade chat or other chat channel occurs which got sent by all characters intead of one character that was intended to be sent from, and someone submits a spam report, there won't be any further investigation by a GM into it if the accounts have different names. That's the first thing they check.

I don't want to block sending the slash character / to my clients so I am careful to make sure PAUSE is on before typing into trade. However, sometimes I type fast or think that PAUSE is on but it's really not and may accidentally send chat text from all characters.

I suspect between 10 and 36 people typing the exact same thing at the exact same time in trade might still be looked into :)

Frosty

04-07-2009, 08:52 AM

This is a great example of the mob mentality in WoW, and one of the other reasons I stopped reading the WoW boards a loooong time ago. :S

Catamer

04-07-2009, 11:23 AM

wow, after reading those posts in the wow forums, I never would have thought I would ever say this but ....even I hope this guy gets all of his accounts banned ... all 40+ of them.

genocyde

04-07-2009, 11:57 AM

The only thing I've gotten out of this thread is that I really hope if CS bans prepared they ban Sam by association just for having 30+ accounts.

Fat Tire

04-07-2009, 12:04 PM

Since the subject has come up again about my account names, I'll state it again for everyone to see. My accounts have different names on them as the owner. I created them that way. Is there a problem? None whatsoever as long as I am secure in the account information. I have all secret questions/answers, blizzard authenticator attached and all keys used in all of the expansions and the original game because I bought them from the store or online at the Blizzard web site. Different names on accounts does not mean you are sharing accounts. Sharing of accounts is against the Terms of Service of the game and there are ways of determining if that is happening such as tracing TCP/IP addresses, etc.

Unless any of those different names are real people and actually once paid for any of the accounts and have an ip tag to it. Otherwise, you are fine if you just made a name up i.e. Preparedis anidiot and you are the only ever person to pay for said accounts and logged from same IP address as your other accounts.

I got hacked about a year ago and blizzard makes you fax in a copy of your driver lisc. to prove you are the owner of the account. Wonder how that would work.

Yamio

04-07-2009, 12:54 PM

I'm not doubting your claim Fur, but most of us are not in your position to hear such things. Were these claims made by an eyewitness? Another multiboxer perhaps? If this is the case, then Prepared should burn.

We all have put too much time and effort into this hobby only to have another of our ilk come along and fuck it up for everyone. Yes, I'm pissed, but I'm also wanting to know out the truth. This affects us all.

This is supposed to be fun and maybe it's the old dude in me talking but what's the point of cheating if you're playing a game? I'll never understand it.

Coltimar

04-07-2009, 01:10 PM

Defending win-trading as a grey area boggles my mind. That's one of the oldest no-nos. Two big guilds got banned on Durotan for camping in AV for 12-14 hours a day. They would farm each other for 100k honor and literally conquer no objectives. Just sit around on vent and chat.

zanthor

04-07-2009, 01:17 PM

Apparently - on the Realm forums that Prepared plays on "Agewyn" ? - there have been a lot of posts about a large boxer being an ass.

The officials forums are a horrible place - but when there is a trend... you can start to form an opinion. Go dig around and see what you find.The Black Hand realm forums have had a trend over the past 4 years that "Band of the Black Hand" is run by an incompetent selfish prick who can't organize a guild let alone a raid... I can show you literally hundreds of posts badmouthing me.

At the same time I've been leading a guild in WoW since day 0 of retail, we have raided MC, BWL, ZG, AQ20/40, Naxx 40, SSC, TK, Mount Hyjal, BT, Naxx 10/25, EOE10/25, VOA 10/25, world bosses, etc... We have fluxuated between 100+ active members and as few as 30 active members... at any time you can ask around and you will find people who both love and respect me, some who admit I run a tight raid but a social guild, and others who downright hate me because I've called them out for some reason or another.

I can only imagine that there are people who hold Prepared as the most loathsome player on their server, and will construe any negavite actions that could remotely be blamed on him, on him. The mans been a quiet member of the community here for some time and says he's not doing that which he's accused of... I for one will give him the benefit of the doubt. If he is doing it I have no fear that Blizzard will swiftly handle it, and handle it in such a fashion that it doesn't happen again from that account holder.

Tombs

04-07-2009, 01:20 PM

Fat Tire

04-07-2009, 01:27 PM

It is like someone being good at Counter-Strike and all of the haters just call them a cheater instead of admitting someone is better. All QQ on a PvP realm forum is probably lumped in a similar category. Lone pvper gets stands no chance against a team of 5,10,36. I wouldn't be surprised to see that lone PvPer trying to do anything to get rid of the imbalance of power.

I am not judging anyone here I don't know the facts so I am not saying Prepared is right and the OP is lying, but I've seen this behavior before.Where there is rumor there is usually some truth. The fact the "someone" is having their "6" alliance characters get on vehicles just camping them/moving them away from the fight is not denied. I doubt someone would just make those facts up or come up with those. The only facts that are being disputed is if it was prepared or someone else.

However, what pissed people off is that this rumor includes a muti-boxer. If its not prepared then apologies are in order.

Yamio

04-07-2009, 01:35 PM

You're right Fur, I didn't have to dig very deep into the WoW forums about Prepared. Granted, some of that mess is out of jealousy, dislike of multiboxers (big and/or small), or a case of 'hopping on the ol' bandwagon', but there seems to be a lot of people who don't like him. And the ones who have personally encountered him say he has some bipolar tendencies.

Okay maybe. Whatever. Anyone who plays an extreme high number of accounts has to be eccentric or disturbed. So what. /shrug

Yes there is a trend to the trash talking, and the screenies make a case that the accusations may be true, at least partially. If any of this is even remotely true then it needs to stop.

Even thou it's posted, a reminder needs to occasionally be stated:

As multiboxers we are all linked to each other whether we like it or not. And we as a community cannot stop another multiboxer from doing something we all deem as being unscrupulous, but I for one, do not like the idea of someone who I am linked to doing something that hurts what the rest of us take so seriously.

/rant off

asonimie

04-07-2009, 01:40 PM

Easy answer. We will be watching in game.

Moorea

04-07-2009, 01:46 PM

Bigfish

04-07-2009, 01:46 PM

Whatever the case, the gauntlet has been thrown, and Prepared has made his denial. I don't know the truth of the matter, nor do I really care. Bottom line, what is anyone going to do one way or the other? The only one who can do anything about any of this is Blizzard. The rest of us, while free to form and voice our own opinions, aren't doing any good by hopping on the Guilty/Innocent bandwagon.

Yamio

04-07-2009, 01:51 PM

There's no need to flame anybody. It's a waste of time and doesn't serve any purpose. Lets try to be adults and show some restraint. ('cept when it comes to Sam)

Fur isn't the bad guy here. The WoW forums are littered with half truths and lies. It's the half truths you need to be concerned about, not Fur.

Prepared

04-07-2009, 02:03 PM

Fur: Prepared replied - I'm not sure why you trust that 1 random rant on wow forums more than what he said here in response ? Anyone can accuse anyone of anything... the question is did it happen or not. If you weren't there first hand or maybe know someone reliable who was there, give the benefit of the doubt or STFU

I agree with this statement. Not only has Frostkitten complained to the Customer Support forums about placing a limit on the number of characters a person can multibox (which I shut him down when I proved he had a number of negative comments towards me on the Blizzard forums), but he also told players on Aegwynn to complain to Blizzard and submit reports for which they had never seen me jump an Alliance character onto a vehicle. How would I know that they had never seen me jump any Alliance character on a vehicle in Wintergrasp? The only possible way is that I had never done it. That's how I know. That's where part of the problem came in. He knew of the complaint and the lie and he got others to believe it and report against something that never happened. To further this, I'm now going to post a formal complaint in the customer support section about Frostkitten and the lie and we'll see if anything is done against him. This can't be right that someone posts a lie and then they get others to report against it. I've already spoken with a GM about this and I'm sure they've looked into what I've done in Wintergrasp. They didn't find any Alliance characters jump onto any vehicles in Wintergrasp by me (tracing my TCP/IP address, etc).

I'm going to take a guess and say that Fur plays on the Alliance side of this game. :)

railz

04-07-2009, 02:08 PM

In his defense though he's not doing anything clearly illegal, he pays for 36 accounts so he has a right to say things 36 times more then one account in trade.
I hope you're kidding. He's using opposing faction toons to cripple the defense of WG. At the very least he's probably going to be popped for same-realm distruption.griefing.

Yamio

04-07-2009, 02:12 PM

Gawddamit Sam, lets not turn this one thread into a thread about you please? Shit!

Prepared, it's clear Frostkitten 'advised' people to watch and accuse of things you did or didn't do. That's not my concern. And I have no idea whether anything they say about you are true or not, but where there is smoke, there's usually fire. Or smoldering embers at least.

So now the trash they've been saying about you has come to the community's attention. If. Any. Of. This. Is. True....

...STOP!!

You're one of us and most of us have defended the shit outta you for months. You don't know us but we're linked. Don't make the rest of us look bad.

Nitro

04-07-2009, 02:16 PM

I say we dunk his head underwater for 15 minutes and see if he lives. If he drowns then he is innocent and if he lives then he is obviously a witc... err, bad multi-boxer!

you guys crack me up

Moorea

04-07-2009, 02:27 PM

Catamer

04-07-2009, 02:41 PM

i've seen abandoned alliance vehicles in WG.. my first impression is that the horde was cheating using alliance friends to win trade.
WG seems to be a much easier place for this type of cheating to happen... unlimited players with limited resources required to win.
I kind of prefer the older A/V system with a limited number of players myself... seemed a little less prone to it.

unseen

04-07-2009, 03:01 PM

Umm Drunken Dwarfs aren�t known for their visual acuity or their penultimate integrity.

Can you post these SS at some decent resolution, on my 1600 X 1200 it looks to small to make much out.

Random acusations are flying all over the place, without links (at least we have a link to the last SS). I think that making accusations that someone is cheating without links to actual evidence is a lot more "trolling" then anything i have done.Basically it shows an alliance-side view of a bunch of guys (at least 6) at the graveyard yelling into general chat announcing "WEST SIDE OF HTE BASE".

The speculation is thus:
-That these are the 6 alliance characters owned by Prepared.
-He meant to type that to his horde-only characters (or just couldn't be bothered to not have his alliance characters say it), and was really announcing to the horde the movements of the alliance forces.

It's a screenshot without much context. At least one poster has said that the exact same things were being said on the horde-side general channels (though how he would know this is a mystery). Additionally, he stated that all the alliance characters were doing the same emotes as the horde-side characters. It's pretty weird that if his characters were sitting at the GY and typing, but not moving around or casting any spells, but doing the same emotes --- how on earth does that happen? That would be some pretty messed up keyboard bindings if it's possible at all.

So, yeah, it's a screenshot that almost shows something-- but again, without the context.

edited: sorry, quoted the wrong post.

railz

04-07-2009, 03:03 PM

Well the Thread on the CSF has been locked now at the blues have noticed it so we cant do much more now that how that the horrid occurence that is Prepared/Fireplace/Temor/yougotserved/etc will get the ban hammer will the full fury of Blues.

I can actually attest to at least is YouGotServed toon being bought; before I was in DDM I joined up with a little guild by the name of <the lich kings lair> and the toon aformentioned was also in the guild but I can tell you it wasnt prepared controlling it because the original owner of the toon was a decent guy who actually lvl'd with us in that guild and had none of the mannerisms/paranoia/schizoprhenia that our buddy Prepared does.

But with everyone else on Aegwynn that has a shred of intellegence I /sign any petition that comes up to rid us of his pestering presence.

/end rant

Interesting post #18 on http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16137526332&sid=1&pageNo=1

I am only concerned because my plan was to PVP exclusively with my teams. I don't want this storm to brew over to other realms and screw everyone over.

d0z3rr

04-07-2009, 03:09 PM

It should also be noted that because he is controlling so many toons within a single zone, that several players with older systems (or poor internet) are lagged out. That was hilarious. What a dbag.

zanthor

04-07-2009, 03:10 PM

railz

04-07-2009, 03:13 PM

Looks like he has his yell macros bound to the same key on both sets of toons, and hit the wrong ones - that's what it looks like to me.

Moorea

04-07-2009, 03:14 PM

Basically it shows an alliance-side view of a bunch of guys (at least 6) at the graveyard yelling into general chat announcing "WEST SIDE OF HTE BASE".

The speculation is thus:
-That these are the 6 alliance characters owned by Prepared.
-He meant to type that to his horde-only characters (or just couldn't be bothered to not have his alliance characters say it), and was really announcing to the horde the movements of the alliance forces.

It's a screenshot without much context. At least one poster has said that the exact same things were being said on the horde-side general channels (though how he would know this is a mystery). Additionally, he stated that all the alliance characters were doing the same emotes as the horde-side characters. It's pretty weird that if his characters were sitting at the GY and typing, but not moving around or casting any spells, but doing the same emotes --- how on earth does that happen? That would be some pretty messed up keyboard bindings if it's possible at all.

So, yeah, it's a screenshot that almost shows something-- but again, without the context.

I guess I should have put the context, but I was asking prepared; who knows the context - but thanks for spelling it out. Basically it shows that indeed prepared has his 6 ally toons parked in WG while he plays and has been seemingly using them at minimum for spying and maybe worse... Btw the guys in forum do say that those 6 mount/unmount and cast/don't cast simulatenously with the prepared toons - and prepared admited he didn't always "pause" when chatting so this screenshot seems to show that indeed he is giving instructions and it bleed on the ally side. While I can see having maybe 1 toon of the otherside in WG to *listen* or look *after the battle* to see if someone says "wow we got powned again by prepared" can be maybe understandable - the fact that there was all 6 there seems to give credence to the accusation of cheating... unless prepared has a good explanation for that ?

Sam DeathWalker

04-07-2009, 03:15 PM

OK 6 allience toons said the same thing at the same time.

Lets assume even with no proof, they are Prepared and Prepared said the same thing on the Horde side, and was playing Horde and Allience toons in WG at the same time.

There is no question that they are all on seperate accounts.

Its illegal to have Horde and Allince characters in teh same zone on different accounts at the same time?

Given that the allicene knows his toons by now why would they follow his orders lol ....

Where is all the "not fireing from turrents" business, that seems a bit more solid.

the fact that there was all 6 there seems to give credence to the accusation of cheating... unless prepared has a good explanation for that ?

I keep all my guys online most all the time even if they are doing absolutly nothing (like one guy is doing trades and the others standing around), why would you just constantly log guys in and out?

Zerocool2024

04-07-2009, 03:15 PM

hmm this is troublesome

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y275/ChestersAshes/cheat-1.jpg

Found in
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16137526332&pageNo=3&sid=1#48

Prepared- care to explain that screenshot ?

Excellent find!

I love how *some* of you guys accuse me of a witchhunt when there is stuff like this floating around. I guess I can't blame you - you're just fanboys after all.(Looked at the pic on big screen) It's Alliance, sorry about that, but it still doesn't prove anything.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but, what am I looking at in this pic?

I see a (woops, forgot to hit pause and talk)...

The pic is small, I can't read any of the toons names, I don't even know if it's Alliance, or horde.

This for some reason reminds me of a Stand alone Complex.

There is someone who said something about someone and now everyone is copying it based on that someones sayings about someones wrongful or rightful doings...
And this all started from.... ?

I have no sides in this, I could careless about about the banstick hitting him and by him I mean "The person in question". Whoever that is.

I've been accused of so many things it's not even funny anymore.
I live on a PVE server, I have 15 accounts. I have boxing teams on both Alliance and Horde.
I pvped on both sides (not at same time)
People know who I am on my server.
I've also been told that I've done the same thing he has. No pics, no videos, no nothing ever pin pointed it.
Why was it so easy for someone to say I had done it?

I MULTIBOX!

I would ask them where they got this idea from, and you know what I got "A friend of mine said he saw you do it the other day"...
Wow.. just wow.

There are several BOXERS on my server, I only know of.. 2 and I think he stopped playing on my server, Toned, or .. something like that, but everyone thought that he was me, or someone else.

I know there is some evidence pointing to him, he has 42 accounts. of which are Horde and Alliance.
He has several post flaming the piss out of him spouting off what "they saw", "What he/she said" based on a post by people who are known for disliking boxers.
Is Prepared an easy target? Hell yeah he is. He has 42 bloody accounts.
He runs into an area with 30+ people all in a nice little group huddle and that is going to draw some attention.
I log on my 15 and I get the same thing.

Nothing against anyone who is saying it's him and he she be Banned, or the people trying to hold him up like a Saint.

But show me a CLEAR BIG PICTURE that explains his so called Alliance afking.
or hell, give me a video of him doing this.

And sure, I'll jump on this "Witch hunt".
If not, then get off his back.
We turn on our own people faster than Judas on Jesus.

Whats that saying that comes to mind, "Innocent till proven guilty".

Guilty being ban/blizz post/ him coming clean/video/ CLEAR PIC SHOWING THE AFK
Innocent being the hardest option because that would have BLizz staiting that it's not him, and stopping ALLLLLLLL the posters from talking about it, which is impossible.

Moorea

04-07-2009, 03:19 PM

How does it show cheating? I yell over general on my boxers all the time, I tell players where the alliance is assulting, etc... WEST SIDE OF HTE BASE doesn't mean someones cheating... it means someone paid attention.

it shows having simultaneously ally and horde toons on the same WG on a PVP server - prepared main toons are horde; those 6 are allies - what are they doing in WG when he's playing horde side WG ?

railz

04-07-2009, 03:19 PM

Toon names are

Supermarket
Convicion
Specialize
Yougotserved
Unexpected
Fireplace

On a side note, I believe this is why if you PVP, you should stick to one side. You may be playing the game squeaky clean and following the rules and the spirit of the game to the letter, but there will always be someone out there who will think you're cheating. In a short story I once read where, in an alternate reality, the Germans won WW2 and Magic was the technology of the world, a sorcerer declined a game of cards on a train because he could always count on someone accusing him of using his talent to cheat at cards, even if he never did.

Sam DeathWalker

04-07-2009, 03:25 PM

railz

04-07-2009, 03:33 PM

The pic is small, I can't read any of the toons names, I don't even know if it's Alliance, or horde.

Im glad someone besides me pointed out this simple fact, although I did blow it up and make out the names, and its allience cause of the toons avitars arnt horde guys.

Is there a picture of Prepared toons in allience turrents refusing to fire?What point would that be? The picture is not unreadable if you enlarge it a little. I can read it fine at 1680 x 1050. The toons are alliance - the armory is a wonderful thing!

Talamarr

04-07-2009, 03:41 PM

Sam DeathWalker

04-07-2009, 03:41 PM

Zerocool2024

04-07-2009, 03:42 PM

Ok... looking the the Armory tells me what?

or is this in the response to the response of Sam?

I blew the pic up, saw the names, looked them up, and they are in a guild on the same server.
So... that means?

Not being sarcastic or rude, just questioning.

Moorea

04-07-2009, 03:46 PM

Im just saying if you are going to accuse someone of cheating you should at least provide "evidence" in more then 800 X 500. What the guy dosn't know how to upload jpegs at full resolution? Or he plays at 800X500? Either way ....

Anyone that has a website as crappy as yours, with horrible screenshots; is ill placed to make comments about other people's screenshot - and what if he plays at 800x500 - the point of the picture is again to see the 6 trade chats ally toons...

I'm not making any judgment yet (anyway who are we to "judge" anything) but I would like Prepared to explain why the heck he needs to have 6 ally toons in same WG as his horde ones...

ps: I also don't believe the "you're a MBoxer so it reflects on all of us" BS, we're individuals... there is probably at least 1 criminal in our community, does that mean we're all criminals ? there is defitively 1 clueless moron with the worst possible taste, does that mean we're all like that... I hope not. This being said it's useful to know whether someones cheats or not and if they break the rules; do they intend to stop or continue...

Moorea

04-07-2009, 03:56 PM

well, I would like to hear Prepared's answer before it gets locked out

gantell

04-07-2009, 03:59 PM

The pic is small, I can't read any of the toons names, I don't even know if it's Alliance, or horde.Im glad someone besides me pointed out this simple fact, although I did blow it up and make out the names, and its allience cause of the toons avitars arnt horde guys.

Is there a picture of Prepared toons in allience turrents refusing to fire?What point would that be? The picture is not unreadable if you enlarge it a little. I can read it fine at 1680 x 1050. The toons are alliance - the armory is a wonderful thing!Ok - he has some Allience toons in WG but I don't see any of his Horde so what does it prove ? But I can just barely make out those, is there something in the picture I am missing?

Malekyth

04-07-2009, 03:59 PM

I don't understand how that screenshot is damning evidence either. It could be that he messed up and broadcast a warning to the wrong side, or it could be that he was playing his Alliance toons and pointing out the location where he just got owned by the nasty enemy Horde. It's only evidence if you've already made up your mind -- which I had, pending the rebuttal that we've received. Is this the only screenshot we've got? That really weakens the case if the best evidence we have is one ambiguous screenshot. Evidence isn't that hard to collect, you just find his double-agents, start a stopwatch and take some screenies. That we don't have a gallery of evidence indicates that we might not actually have a case.

By the way, I don't generally think that life is quite so dramatic that a bunch of people got together to lie on Prepared. It's more possible that, as often happens, someone saw a multiboxer and misinterpreted what was going on, then a lot of like minds followed along. Conspiracies are complicated, mob mentality following a misunderstanding is simple.

Smoooth

04-07-2009, 04:41 PM

How do you guys think that screenshot is proof of anything? To me its kind of obvious he was trying to yell to his horde team where to defend. You dont need spies to know where someone is attacking and call for a defense. Plus like he said he would need his alliance to be in a raid to see where the raid is to begin with.

As to why he had his 6 allies on in the same WG at the same time? Why the hell not? Everyone farms WG marks. Might as well get them on all your toons when you are on.

Malekyth

04-07-2009, 06:11 PM

Yeah, if you ignore all of Sam's hypotheticals, misinterpretations, innacurate information, and inability to draw meaningful comparisons, sure.Hypotheticals, misintepretations, inaccurate information, and inability to draw meaningful comparisons are trolling? Please explain, because this will have been the first I've heard of it.

Prepared

04-07-2009, 06:29 PM

hmm this is troublesome

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y275/ChestersAshes/cheat-1.jpg

Found in
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16137526332&pageNo=3&sid=1#48

Prepared- care to explain that screenshot ?

I'm not quite sure what I need to explain given this message thread created by Gadzooks seems to have brought in a lot of attention and discussion.

There is a screen shot where 6 Alliance characters are saying "WEST SIDE OF HTE BASE" in general chat in Wintergrasp.

Where are those 6 alliance characters? Are they part of any raid group? If the assumption is that those 6 alliance characters are also being boxed by me on the Horde side controlling 10 Horde characters, where are those 10 Horde characters on the map? I would venture to say they would be NEAR the WEST SIDE of the base. :)

So I don't quite follow what needs to be explained. Are there specific questions that anyone has directed to me? As I've stated before, none of my accounts have had any action taken against them. No warnings. If I did anything wrong, I would think that I'd be the first to suffer the consequences.

By the way, Clybourn, the one that took the screenshot and posted it in the Aegwynn forums, I have destroyed many times in the game. I wouldn't think he would like me and will bring up anything possible to stop me from destroying him in the game.

However you want to take this discussion, that is entirely up to you. However, I didn't bring this discussion here but I will answer any questions in regards to anything I'm doing with World of Warcraft.

unseen

04-07-2009, 06:42 PM

hmm this is troublesome

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y275/ChestersAshes/cheat-1.jpg

Found in
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16137526332&pageNo=3&sid=1#48

Prepared- care to explain that screenshot ?

I'm not quite sure what I need to explain given this message thread created by Gadzooks seems to have brought in a lot of attention and discussion.

There is a screen shot where 6 Alliance characters are saying "WEST SIDE OF HTE BASE" in general chat in Wintergrasp.

Where are those 6 alliance characters? Are they part of any raid group? If the assumption is that those 6 alliance characters are also being boxed by me on the Horde side controlling 10 Horde characters, where are those 10 Horde characters on the map? I would venture to say they would be NEAR the WEST SIDE of the base. :)

So I don't quite follow what needs to be explained. Are there specific questions that anyone has directed to me? As I've stated before, none of my accounts have had any action taken against them. No warnings. If I did anything wrong, I would think that I'd be the first to suffer the consequences.

By the way, Clybourn, the one that took the screenshot and posted it in the Aegwynn forums, I have destroyed many times in the game. I wouldn't think he would like me and will bring up anything possible to stop me from destroying him in the game.

However you want to take this discussion, that is entirely up to you. However, I didn't bring this discussion here but I will answer any questions in regards to anything I'm doing with World of Warcraft.Here's a couple questions I think everybody would like to see answered/confirmed:

Are those your alliance characters?
I'm assuming you have 6 (as opposed to just one sitting there) just to farm tokens, correct?
Are you calling out weaknesses in the alliance defense/offense to the horde?

I'm assuming the answers to the first two questions are both yes. If the third question's answer is yes I think it's a bit unfair to make a statement like the one below if you're calling out the weaknesses in the alliance plans for the horde to see.

"On Aegwynn, Horde owns Wintergrasp about 80% of the time. Primarily because I understand the battle and give directions prior the start of the battle in the raid and in Horde trade chat about what players need to do. It works most of the time and I will post the strategy here for anyone that needs the information. The thing is, some players already know it, but they don't let other players know it prior to the start of the battle. That's why the Alliance loses, they don't tell the players what to do at the start of the battle."

One other question (sorry):

I will state it again for everyone to be clear on this: I have never gotten onto any vehicle in Wintergrasp on any Alliance character. I have not received any warning from any GMs. I'm assuming by "vehicle" that this includes turrets also, correct? (i.e. that you've never hopped into vehicles or turrets on the alliance characters)

Gadzooks

04-07-2009, 08:54 PM

hmm this is troublesome

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y275/ChestersAshes/cheat-1.jpg

Found in
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16137526332&pageNo=3&sid=1#48

Prepared- care to explain that screenshot ?

I'm not quite sure what I need to explain given this message thread created by Gadzooks seems to have brought in a lot of attention and discussion.

There is a screen shot where 6 Alliance characters are saying "WEST SIDE OF HTE BASE" in general chat in Wintergrasp.

Where are those 6 alliance characters? Are they part of any raid group? If the assumption is that those 6 alliance characters are also being boxed by me on the Horde side controlling 10 Horde characters, where are those 10 Horde characters on the map? I would venture to say they would be NEAR the WEST SIDE of the base. :)

So I don't quite follow what needs to be explained. Are there specific questions that anyone has directed to me? As I've stated before, none of my accounts have had any action taken against them. No warnings. If I did anything wrong, I would think that I'd be the first to suffer the consequences.

By the way, Clybourn, the one that took the screenshot and posted it in the Aegwynn forums, I have destroyed many times in the game. I wouldn't think he would like me and will bring up anything possible to stop me from destroying him in the game.

However you want to take this discussion, that is entirely up to you. However, I didn't bring this discussion here but I will answer any questions in regards to anything I'm doing with World of Warcraft.Getting attention to the issue was my intent, Prepared. I did'nt post it to attack anyone, I saw a heated thread concerning MBing, and wanted to:

A. Call attention to the fact that someone in our community might be doing something really effed up that could effect us all

and

B. Point out to newbies who might be thinking of trying something like this, that it's not a good idea.

I don't want to get into the drama on your realm forum, so I won't ask any questions. I'll let this play out on it's own - my intent has been fulfilled.

gantell

04-07-2009, 09:25 PM

My group is only in the low 70's so I have not yet been to WG.

But wouldn't the parking of inactive characters on the opposing side have a negative impact on the Tenacity for that side?

If that is true then wouldn't it be a rather unsportsman like behavior.

Moorea

04-07-2009, 10:27 PM

Prepared: why do you say "if" - are you denying those 6 characters to be your toons ?

Would you mind sharing what are those 6 allies of yours doing in the same WG as your hordies ? (This is isn't a malicious/trick question; some members here advanced that may all they do is token farming - which I guess would be minor "afk'ing" offense (that many do but still isn't quite good to do) - but do you do anything else with them ? like glance at their screen to see what allies are doing or saying; or worse... like using equiment, etc... ?)

Gomotron

04-08-2009, 02:01 AM

Here's a couple questions I think everybody would like to see answered/confirmed:

Are those your alliance characters?
I'm assuming you have 6 (as opposed to just one sitting there) just to farm tokens, correct?
Are you calling out weaknesses in the alliance defense/offense to the horde?

I'm assuming the answers to the first two questions are both yes. If the third question's answer is yes I think it's a bit unfair to make a statement like the one below if you're calling out the weaknesses in the alliance plans for the horde to see.

"On Aegwynn, Horde owns Wintergrasp about 80% of the time. Primarily because I understand the battle and give directions prior the start of the battle in the raid and in Horde trade chat about what players need to do. It works most of the time and I will post the strategy here for anyone that needs the information. The thing is, some players already know it, but they don't let other players know it prior to the start of the battle. That's why the Alliance loses, they don't tell the players what to do at the start of the battle."

One other question (sorry):

I will state it again for everyone to be clear on this: I have never gotten onto any vehicle in Wintergrasp on any Alliance character. I have not received any warning from any GMs. I'm assuming by "vehicle" that this includes turrets also, correct? (i.e. that you've never hopped into vehicles or turrets on the alliance characters)Unseen, to me you have hit the nail on the head.

I think everyone following this thread wants to know if these are Prepared's characters. I'm not trying to imply that we have a right to know.

If they are indeed his characters, then why in the world would he keep them logged in while playing WG with his 10 level 80's? How can you possibly play both Alliance and Horde characters at the same time? Even if he were not actively "cheating" as has been claimed by WoW forum posters, I would ask that as a multiboxer who has one of the highest profiles around, he ought to log off his alliance characters while in a WG battle to remove all doubt regarding the possibility of cheating.

Personally, I'm with Fur on this matter. It looks bad, very bad, and I really hope that it isn't true.

Seraphaw

04-08-2009, 05:00 AM

This is just silly, anyone could do this with only 2 accounts. It's not up to any community to jugde anyone even with "facts", blizzard hasn't banned Prepared yet and that's all that matters.

Deekhay

04-08-2009, 05:12 AM

Question: Why is everyone playing detective?
Answer: Because it's a sexy job...
Solution: Blizzard has all means to sort this out, if they aren't capable, well noone here will be...

Question: Has anyone here had a similar "flaming" experience in some forum due to the fact that he/she is multiboxing?
Answer: Most likely, yes...
Solution: Quit multiboxing if it bothers you or just get used to it. Also, if you see a mbxer being accused, think twice about stuff that already happened to you...

Question: Is it fair to point the finger at Prepared or anyone else if not even Blizzard is capable of doing whatsoever?
Answer: No (easy one)
Solution: Flame/accuse when decision comes from Blizzard. It's not even that he's innocent, there's not even imo anything suspicious going on.

Question: Why am I doing this?
Answer: Well, got a bit tired of this forum turning (a minority of people so far gladly) to be a place of menace, censorship, bad mood/behavior, etc... I haven't been around for too long, just a bit over an year, but I've surely seen better days here...
Solution: Stop coming here. I often just stop my urge to post replies even to help other people, seen it misunderstood too often. I already have a lot of trouble with multiboxers' haters, I really prefer to keep out of multiboxer v multiboxer hate.
I'm still very fond of some of the people here and I just talk to them directly. I really see a lot of intelligent writing around too and it's awesome to read something smart. That's why I won't stop coming here.

I consider myself the ambassador of myself not the proud representative of anything... My guild is called "Is multiboxing" so that people just stop asking me "WTF is that *^*^* cheater????!!!!" (it didn't work as intended btw...). If we're the image of multiboxing, it also means that single boxing players (like 99.999%) are the representatives of themselves and that a bad experience with one will mean all the others are bad... Armaggedon day is coming to wow... My ignore list is just full due to players showing humanly standard stupid behavior towards me or someone else that I've witnessed.

Oh by the way, witness is the good word here. If you haven't witnessed the event you have no authority to make any statement whatsoever, if you have no proof of anything you shouldn't accuse.

I just don't want to turn this into a geopolitical post but just think of how many ugly wars started recently based on rumours that (oh surprise) turned out to be complete lies.
I've been accused of all sorts of things since I box. I just don't give a damn, I know what I do and I know I do it according the established rules.

Have a nice day all, just play the game as you like it best and play by the book or just assume consequences. Whatever the pick, it's just that person's business.

Dotalot

04-08-2009, 07:47 AM

damn thats sucky ..... gives boxers a bad name .. spend a lot of time convincing people im not cheating just a diff way to play .. he will regret it if he gets a ban ... but im not sure blizz would ban him tbh .. i mean thay would be loseing the income from 40 accounts .. but who knows .. will be intresting to see what blizz do to stop this

Zub

04-08-2009, 09:18 AM

Do people even read topics nowadays?
There's two faces to the story..

wolpak

04-08-2009, 09:51 AM

I hate nerd on nerd violence. This is why the jocks always get the girls, because we fight over World of Warcraft.

Bigfish

04-08-2009, 10:49 AM

So my question is, who is the troll, the ignorant poster who tries to contribute, or the longstanding well informed members of the community that allow themselves to get so frothy over the idea of a man in a fuzzy loincloth posting bad information that they drag the conversation farther and farther off topic?

Who trolls more, the trolls or the trolls who follow? My vote goes to Sam, largely because its been pointed out so many times he has no idea what he's talking about, followed by his confrontational nature and telling people they are wrong based on said ignorance. At that point, you're more or less in a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. If you call him on his BS, you're a Sam-hater, and if you do nothing, you condone his behavior.

Zub

04-08-2009, 10:57 AM

i'd rather condone his behavior and ignore it, than see 10 other people post hate threads.
but again, back to the OT.

shaeman

04-08-2009, 11:32 AM

genocyde

04-08-2009, 01:44 PM

EaTCarbS

04-08-2009, 03:34 PM

Is it even possible to afk farm WG. I was under the impression you had to participate in some odd 20-30 HK's before you got anything from that battle. And with very few people being willing to party with prepared at that point would he just have to go... kill himself?You can easily AFK farm WG for marks and some honor, you just get greater returns (Dailies and HKs) from actually participating

Prepared

04-08-2009, 03:36 PM

I figure, as in most situations involving two parties, the truth lies somewhere in between.

I've been thinking about it (and I'm assuming that the six characters on the alliance side are Prepared's until he says otherwise), if he was shouting instructions from his horde characters to his fellow horde battlegrounders his key relaying would send that yell to the alliance characters also. So from an alliance point of view, you see alliance characters yelling "west side of the base" and all of a sudden you have a bunch of horde there. So it might look like he was giving information the other way.

Now on to the turret issue - I've not done wintergrasps so don't know how spaced out the turrets are, but does it seem possible that a multiboxer could get and take all the turrets before solo controlled characters could. He might get one of them but in the same time I'm sure the other players could grab the rest.
Likewise with the tanks.

So in that respect I'm questioning the original accusations.

Now, if those alliance characters are Prepareds all he is guilty of is battleground AFK'ing (which i don't condone), but let's face it other multiboxers have done that in the past.

Either way I do think that prepared might find his accounts under a lot more scrutiny from now on.

Interesting comment. Your IQ must be pretty high. :thumbsup:

The general chat would only go to all windows if PAUSE was not on during that time.

However, a multiboxer cannot take all of the turrets (I call them cannons because that's what it says when highlighting them in the game) and the reason is because of the problem of right clicking in multiple windows on either Windows XP or Windows Vista. If the multiboxer had separate computers for each account and used full screen, it probably could be done but that would be very expensive just to break the rules and possibly get a warning or ban. There are usually players around the cannons at the start of the defense unless the portal is not up for the defensive side.

In any case, here is part of a conversation I've had with a GM two days ago when players submitted their reports from the original post that did not tell the truth in the Customer Support forums:

(http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/4300/1wowscrnshot04060914474.jpg)

(http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/1912/2wowscrnshot04060915064.jpg)

So all of the discussion about stop doing whatever it is that I was reported for doing is a moot point because as it clearly shows, I can bring in opposite faction characters and multibox them in Wintergrasp as long as I do not hold any cannons or vehicles. Given that players dreamed that up because they were losing 80% of the Wintergrasp battles in my realm, clarification here shows no action will be taken against me and that I'm free to bring in any amount of characters on either side faction as long as I don't hold vehicles or cannons. Any further questions about this matter?

zanthor

04-08-2009, 04:14 PM

However, a multiboxer cannot take all of the turrets (I call them cannons because that's what it says when highlighting them in the game) and the reason is because of the problem of right clicking in multiple windows on either Windows XP or Windows Vista. If the multiboxer had separate computers for each account and used full screen, it probably could be done but that would be very expensive just to break the rules and possibly get a warning or ban. There are usually players around the cannons at the start of the defense unless the portal is not up for the defensive side.

This is inaccurate - I control 5 turrets every day in "Shoot em Up - For the Horde!" out in icecrown. Utilizing the mouse broadcast in Innerspace I can easily control all 5 mice in a realtime broadcast, it's beautiful to see syncronized cannons rotating and obliterating targets left and right.

That said, thanks for clearing things up, the GM SS's are priceless as well.

Sam DeathWalker

04-08-2009, 04:17 PM

Fur your bias is so obvious it taints everything you say.

Most resonable people look at the facts then make conclsions based upon those facts.

You decide that Prepared is wrong before you read anything and then look for facts to support yur position.

We have a GM ss ending the situation, speculation on what he did or didn't do is meaningless, even if he did it who cares ... the rulz have been clarified and he will be playing within the rulz in the future. As if an allience 2 boxer hasnt taken a horde turrent ever lol ....

You know that instance boosting isn't working "as intended" yet you would recomend others to instance boost or do so yourself. Is that fair?

Svpernova09

04-08-2009, 05:04 PM

/offtopic

Sorry I'm late to the Samjacked thread. The crap has been removed. Continue valid discussion.

Vyndree

04-08-2009, 06:49 PM

I come late to this post after a long week of internet-less home remodeling, but I do have one thing to emphasize...

Since the subject has come up again about my account names, I'll state it again for everyone to see. My accounts have different names on them as the owner. I created them that way. Is there a problem? None whatsoever as long as I am secure in the account information. I have all secret questions/answers, blizzard authenticator attached and all keys used in all of the expansions and the original game because I bought them from the store or online at the Blizzard web site. Different names on accounts does not mean you are sharing accounts. Sharing of accounts is against the Terms of Service of the game and there are ways of determining if that is happening such as tracing TCP/IP addresses, etc.

While you are somewhat true (Different account names does not imply that you are account sharing, though account sharers will typically have different account names), there IS a problem with using alternate, false, or non-legal names on your accounts, as KvdM pointed out...

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.html

"Establishing an Account.
Prior to (or in lieu of) creating a user account on the Service (a "WoW Account"), or using an existing WoW Account, you may be required to establish a separate account (a "Blizzard Account") on Blizzard�s centralized account system. When creating these accounts, you may be required to provide Blizzard with certain personal information, financial information and an unused Authentication Key provided to you by Blizzard. You agree that you will supply accurate information to Blizzard when requested, and that you will update that information promptly after it changes." (emphasis mine)

False names are still a ToU violation, and while some have found Blizzard to be relatively benevolent in their dealings with accidental or non-accidental missteps in this policy (allowing "Santa Claus" to be changed to the correct legal name), it is by no means a guarantee that you're absolved from having to follow or from reaping any repercussions from that ToU violation.

Otherwise, you are fine if you just made a name up i.e. Preparedis anidiot and you are the only ever person to pay for said accounts and logged from same IP address as your other accounts.

I got hacked about a year ago and blizzard makes you fax in a copy of your driver lisc. to prove you are the owner of the account. Wonder how that would work.

So Fat Tire is somewhat correct -- in the case of having to prove ownership of your account, a fake name isn't going to cut it. However, he's mistaken in that "you are fine if you just made a name up". In the case of some quite-obvious false account names, people were able to get the issue resolved and the names updated to their own. However, if one cop lets you off without a speeding ticket, it doesn't mean that the next will or that it's OK to speed at all times.

Just a clarification, since I think the issue was skimmed over without solid resolution. I can't say to whether Prepared has or hasn't done in WG, as I (and pretty much none of us) were there when it happened, but I can say that having different names on your account is certainly not "fine" and I'd suggest querying Blizzard to see if they'll let you update those names properly (as you're required to do from the ToU agreement) to the correct information before you end up in a spot where you'll actually have to work to prove your ownership of those accounts.

hendrata

04-08-2009, 07:41 PM

So all of the discussion about stop doing whatever it is that I was reported for doing is a moot point because as it clearly shows, I can bring in opposite faction characters and multibox them in Wintergrasp as long as I do not hold any cannons or vehicles. Given that players dreamed that up because they were losing 80% of the Wintergrasp battles in my realm, clarification here shows no action will be taken against me and that I'm free to bring in any amount of characters on either side faction as long as I don't hold vehicles or cannons. Any further questions about this matter?

You were not accused of playing both sides. You were accused of playing both sides and taking objectives to throw the battle. (very nice attempt to completely dodge the question btw)

So you're admitting that those 6 alliance toons are in fact yours? Because you still are avoiding that question.

You went out and got GM clarification on the issue about holding objectives with opposing faction toons and how it is indeed illegal if you are multiboxing both sides. Were you actually doing it before hand?

I can only speculate here - but given the fact that you went and asked a GM this specific question - It appears to that you were in fact doing the behavior listed on the official forums, and now that you were caught - you are playing the "oh, I didn't know it was against the rules" game - and are now "correcting your misguided ways".He was accused of two things:
1. Using the cannons with 6 alliance toons and therefore preventing other people from using them.
2. Monitoring the other faction's movements and strategy and relaying them into his own faction, thereby giving espionage-like advantage.

The GM SS has shown that #2 is okay, and you don't have to be Prepared to be able to do it. Even if you only have 1 account and your friend plays on the other faction, this is still possible.

For #1, presumably that when the conversation in the SS happened, he was being investigated if he did #1 or not. I am also going to assume that he didn't do it because he is not banned yet. Thus, the question whether all 6 alliance toons belong to him is irrelevant.

Yamio

04-08-2009, 09:56 PM

Ahhh....it was moved.

Basilikos

04-08-2009, 10:26 PM

Fur your bias is so obvious it taints everything you say.
No, you're too pigheaded to understand that your defense of the behavior being discussed in this thread should warrant you being banned from these forums.

Most resonable people look at the facts then make conclsions based upon those facts.
Whether or not Prepared is the one who was doing this isn't what people are pissed at you for. You want to encourage this sort of behavior even though it involves throwing a match (which is enough for a ban anywhere, IMO).

You decide that Prepared is wrong before you read anything and then look for facts to support yur position.
Mostly, people are deciding that YOU are wrong. Big difference.

We have a GM ss ending the situation, speculation on what he did or didn't do is meaningless, even if he did it who cares ... the rulz have been clarified and he will be playing within the rulz in the future. As if an allience 2 boxer hasnt taken a horde turrent ever lol ....
The issue in this thread was NEVER the clarity of WoW's rules for Wintergrasp. The problem we ran into is that you, once again, decided to take the wrong side in a ToS compliance issue. Generally, that would get any other person here banned.

You know that instance boosting isn't working "as intended" yet you would recomend others to instance boost or do so yourself. Is that fair?
Instance boosting isn't throwing a PvP match. We're not talking about instance boosting, either. We're talking about intentionally using alts to wreck other's ability to PvP. When does instance boosting compare to sabotaging PvP in order to force a loss for your own side?

Basilikos

04-08-2009, 10:30 PM

/offtopic

Sorry I'm late to the Samjacked thread. The crap has been removed. Continue valid discussion.

You're not going to fool anyone into thinking you're not uneven in your moderation efforts just by removing posts in which a certain member of the community repeatedly violates our CoC in more ways than pretty much anyone I've ever encountered. Why is it that you left his post up just before yours. It seems as though you're allowing some people to get away with some things and others are just SoL.

Zub

04-08-2009, 10:36 PM

Bas, no offense, but why don't you post your blatant personal attack and post dissection in the *other* thread, the one tagged samjacked or whatever.
this current topic is not about sam, it's about Prepared and his possible off-play in some WG games.
Posts like yours not only derail the topics, but also put the focus on Sam (who will most probably reply to a personal attack) when what you want (and many others possibly) is to not have sam reply.
just ignore him already if you don't like him, that message you dissected was mostly about how Fur responded to Prepared, not about Sam. sigh.

[edit]And regarding the moderation from supernova, i think he did a great job, as he removed the insulting and derailed topics, not those that are actually ON topic.

(i'll delete this message if i see the above messages moved)

Basilikos

04-08-2009, 11:30 PM

Bas, no offense, but why don't you post your blatant personal attack and post dissection in the *other* thread, the one tagged samjacked or whatever. this current topic is not about sam, it's about Prepared and his possible off-play in some WG games.
It's locked. And besides, there seems to be some confusion from a specific member of the community who has been allowed to violate dual-boxing.com CoC in the past. He's doing it again. Whether or not this member's posting activity here is a problem directly relates to the issue of this gameplay from Wintergrasp. It's on topic.

EDIT: While I'm here, I'll point out that, although being a blatant attack, this is NOT personal. I don't have personal issues with DoucheWanker since I do my best to avoid him. His behavior here shouldn't be tolerated, but it is nonetheless. Anyone who would defend the actions discussed in this thread should be attacked by the Mods, not just me.

Posts like yours not only derail the topics, but also put the focus on Sam (who will most probably reply to a personal attack) when what you want (and many others possibly) is to not have sam reply.
When has it ever been said that Sam can't reply? If he wants to reply, then let him! My problem isn't with his posting abilities, it's with the WAY HE USES THEM. He's used this thread to justify bad behavior and even after a ruling came in, he still goes off on his nutjob rants. This is just a repeat of the Mouseconner debacle. Again, this is ALL ON POINT.

just ignore him already if you don't like him, that message you dissected was mostly about how Fur responded to Prepared, not about Sam. sigh.
Sam ignored the issue at hand. He's getting nasty responses because his behavior regarding the gameplay in Wintergrasp is atrocious. Again, THAT WAS ON TOPIC IN THIS THREAD. We're still discussing the gameplay which started this thread.

And regarding the moderation from supernova, i think he did a great job, as he removed the insulting and derailed topics, not those that are actually ON topic.
I'm not saying moving the posts was wrong. I'm saying that it just covered up the REAL discussion in this thread. Someone here just doesn't get that certain behavior is not permitted in WoW and started the thread off with "it's not illegal, blah blah blah." Just to make sure no one can construe what I'm saying here as being off-topic, I"ll keep up with the vein of discussion.

Intentionally throwing a PvP match of any sort to favor your faction by controlling characters on the other team has always been against WoW's policies. There is a member of dual-boxing.com that refuses to acknowledge this and wanted to argue that nothing wrong has gone on. This should be a perma-ban as per the dual-boxing.com CoC. This is similar to win-trading and other things like it.

There. Is everyone happy now?

Zub

04-08-2009, 11:42 PM

Intentionally throwing a PvP match of any sort to favor your faction by controlling characters on the other team has always been against WoW's policies indeed.
however playing toons on both side of the faction fence is ok in Blizzards books. check the screenshots of the GM conversation by prepared.

Sam was just asking that i believe, IS it illegal to have toons (on obviously other accounts) play on alliance side when you have some on horde side. To which prepared/gm responded it's ok.

He was also asking about 'more serious stuff' regarding blocking turrets/cannons, or vehicles, for which no proof was in the accusing early screenshots.

ow and (as i see it) calling someone douchewanker, although it's remotely entertaining, is still is a personal attack. along with making full walls of text in several threads trying to show how evil said douchewanker is.

Basilikos

04-08-2009, 11:50 PM

however playing toons on both side of the faction fence is ok in Blizzards books. check the screenshots of the GM conversation by prepared.
I wasn't debating that. Sam started this thread off saying that nothing illegal occurred. Big difference.

Sam was just asking that i believe, IS it illegal to have toons (on obviously other accounts) play on alliance side when you have some on horde side. To which prepared/gm responded it's ok.
Again, not debating that. The only aspect of the accused behavior I'm concerned with is the throwing of the match.

He was also asking about 'more serious stuff' regarding blocking turrets/cannons, or vehicles, for which no proof was in the accusing early screenshots.
Again, not debating that. This is just Sam's typical pattern of behavior (i.e. make statements that violate our forum's CoC, get called on it, and completely turn things around after that).

ow and (as i see it) calling someone douchewanker, although it's remotely entertaining, is still is a personal attack. along with making full walls of text in several threads trying to show how evil said douchewanker is.
I'm not attacking him regarding personal issues. I'm attacking him based on his documented behavior. I haven't made any walls of text. I have responded to my detractors and their commentary in an organized manner. Evil doesn't come into play, but our CoC does.

Why it no one will deal with actual problems and would rather focus on a couple of people who are calling out bad behavior?

Zub

04-08-2009, 11:55 PM

i guess i should have said wall of quotes instead of wall of text.

so, i'm lost now, regarding the original topic at hand, what is it you are debating?
I'll keep my sam-related answers to the other topic.

zanthor

04-09-2009, 12:00 AM

FFS Guys, drop the Sambash and move on with the OT if there's still an OT to discus.

Basilikos

04-09-2009, 12:02 AM

Zub

04-09-2009, 12:04 AM

Funny you would say that, but the GM thinks it's alright.
And prepared (as far as i know) is not banned yet.

maybe the original accusator of the wow forums was full of shit?

Basilikos

04-09-2009, 12:11 AM

FFS Guys, drop the Sambash and move on with the OT if there's still an OT to discus.
I've pointed out several times in my most recent posts that everything I've had to say is directly on topic. For example: The method of throwing a Wintergrasp match in order to benefit your faction by intentionally ruining the other team by controlling it with the purpose of sabotage is unacceptable. Some people have expressed a different opinion and despite of recent commentary by Blizzard, apparently hold this opinion still. We as a community should not tolerate this.

Basilikos

04-09-2009, 12:13 AM

Funny you would say that, but the GM thinks it's alright.
And prepared (as far as i know) is not banned yet.

maybe the original accusator of the wow forums was full of shit?

I'm not going to comment on prepared. I'm solely concerned with the aspect of throwing a PvP match. Even if the original accusation is bull (which it very well may be) the behavior is still not permissible. Some of us are having a hard time with that concept.

Zub

04-09-2009, 12:18 AM

i think pretty much everyone agreed that afking in turrets or vehicles for the other side to win was not something to do, and that it has nothing to do with multi-boxing as any 'sister' guild could do it without boxing.
Just like sending fake warnings in trade or whatever.

Good to see everyone agrees on something.

Basilikos

04-09-2009, 12:26 AM

... and that it has nothing to do with multi-boxing as any 'sister' guild could do it without boxing. Good to see everyone agrees on something.

I've overlooked this aspect of the accusation. It has been pointed out by others, but glossed over, that ANYONE could do this stuff and not just a multiboxer.

Moorea

04-09-2009, 03:34 AM

however playing toons on both side of the faction fence is ok in Blizzards books. check the screenshots of the GM conversation by prepared.

I'd like to see a blue post about that because it seems a very very slippery slope - if it's ok in WG is it ok in WSG too ? so I can queue up 6 afk dummies in WSG to ensure I win on the other side ? how could that possibly be "ok" - I think the GM will find himself in hot waters pretty soon - unless the post is carefuly missing important parts of the dialog (or is fabricated)

I used to respect Prepared for the tremendous accomplishment of getting so many toons so fast to 70 (and now 80) but now I think I see another side; basically just gaming the system - it's not fairplay... even if 1 GM allegedly says it's ok

Moorea

04-09-2009, 03:39 AM

I've overlooked this aspect of the accusation. It has been pointed out by others, but glossed over, that ANYONE could do this stuff and not just a multiboxer.
ahem, how could anyone but a boxer do this on a pvp server ? the only way to have ally and horde on pvp is to have more than 1 account; which I think is the definition of boxing ? ("manual" boxing even if you don't broadcast keys, etc...)

Zub

04-09-2009, 03:57 AM

to answer your two posts with *my* understanding of the situation:
- it's ok to have toons on both sides, as long as they are not throwing the game either side, for example Alliance toons helping Horde win.
In the case of 6 shammies doing nothing in WSG (and possibly WG) i would think this is bannable through the 'not taking part' argument, which i'm sure some others will clearly explain.
Basically you make the experience bad for other players, and blizz doesnt like that.

- You do not have to be a boxer to do this, you merely need to have a friend who plays on the other faction.
Very easy to do on PVE servers, where many players have alts on both sides, a bit more difficult on PVP servers, but still alot of guilds have sister/friend guilds.
All in all, it's not important that it's 'easier' to do as a boxer (why spread toons on either side of the faction wall though?) it's that it's doable by non-boxers.

Stealthy

04-09-2009, 05:22 AM

so, i'm lost now, regarding the original topic at hand, what is it you are debating?

The topic in this thread is the behavior of some multiboxer in Lake Wintergrasp. It is a violation of WoW's PvP policies. And I'm not debating anything since no one will counter me with arguments. I'm not even sure if anyone disagrees with anything I'm saying since they won't address it. My commentary in this thread has been about how this activity (the WG gameplay) is not at all acceptable. Some people didn't think so and continue to defend those that knowingly violated the PvP policies. I'm trying to make sure people know that such a playstyle is invalid, regardless of the opinions of one person here.

I'm also calling attention to the fact that people have been banned for less from this website. Normally, I don't do this. This isn't the first time such a person has been allowed to endorse such ToS violations without any consequence.

If you think someone is violating the CoC, then report the post, and state exactly why you think they have violated the CoC. It takes a few minutes - and all reported posts are reviewed, and actioned where appropriate.

Which people have been banned for less? Bans are handed out only in severe cases, and usally after multiple warnings. If you're going to make a big call like that, back it up with facts please - otherwise you're just trolling (which is against the CoC - oh the irony!).

Locking the thread.

Cheers,

Stealthymod