Finally cleared H Gundrak!

[Gomotron]

It was a HUGE day for me yesterday (actually this morning, ha!) I managed to clear Gundrak.

The last boss gave me fits, but the last fight I managed to kill him. It was close to a wipe as the tank and one shaman were dead by the end of it, healer OOM. Still, good fun.

In no way would I say this is on farm, but I am desperately trying to work out the kinks.

[Siaea]

Some say it's harder, some say it's easier. Personally, this is the only one I can clear reliably. Have you watched Hachoo's videos? They help a TON with these fights. Gratz on the clear!

[Gomotron]

Yeah the vids were what helped me get through the fights.

But OMG, I have to say his DPS is insane. I am only halfway through the fights when his fight is over.

I am still doing a lot of spastic keypresses. I need to work on that.

[Hachoo]

Yeah the vids were what helped me get through the fights.

But OMG, I have to say his DPS is insane. I am only halfway through the fights when his fight is over.

I am still doing a lot of spastic keypresses. I need to work on that.Yeah I kind of wish I had video taped my runs back when I was geared less and hadn't perfected my rotations/etc yet so it would apply more... but at least the videos are still useful for positioning, totem farms, etc :)

[Zadris]

I Can only dream about doing that, I started dual boxing 2 days ago. Grattz on clearing it and goodluck in the near future
:thumbsup:
Zadris 10 shammy
Zodris 10 shammy

[Siaea]

Yeah I kind of wish I had video taped my runs back when I was geared less and hadn't perfected my rotations/etc yet so it would apply more... but at least the videos are still useful for positioning, totem farms, etc :)I've been recording some of my fights and I'll make a vid soon for us lesser geared folk :)

[Void]

in gundrak soon as he goes steroid rhino i worry more about heals than dps. keep flame shock up then 1 rotation of dps then 1 rotation of heals. i play pally and 4 ele sham tho. i find it MUCH easier than having a resto sham.

[Hachoo]

Actually to be extra safe... when I first started H Gundrak to beat the last boss I completely stopped DPS during the rhino phase. I would just spam my tank macro and cast lesser healing waves on my tank every couple seconds until he turned back into his troll form. That made it much easier.

[Simulacra]

It was a HUGE day for me yesterday (actually this morning, ha!) I managed to clear Gundrak.

The last boss gave me fits, but the last fight I managed to kill him. It was close to a wipe as the tank and one shaman were dead by the end of it, healer OOM. Still, good fun.

In no way would I say this is on farm, but I am desperately trying to work out the kinks.Nicely done, would you be able to include a link to your armoury page? I just want to do a gear check to see if it's worth tackiling. I went to HG 3-4 weeks ago and was owned by the snake guy.

[Hachoo]

It was a HUGE day for me yesterday (actually this morning, ha!) I managed to clear Gundrak.

The last boss gave me fits, but the last fight I managed to kill him. It was close to a wipe as the tank and one shaman were dead by the end of it, healer OOM. Still, good fun.

In no way would I say this is on farm, but I am desperately trying to work out the kinks.Nicely done, would you be able to include a link to your armoury page? I just want to do a gear check to see if it's worth tackiling. I went to HG 3-4 weeks ago and was owned by the snake guy.Snake guy can be done with bad gear - its all about positioning and (if you have 4 shamans of course) 4x healing stream totems. The positioning and Healing Stream totems are key. If you want info on the positioning theres a video in the sticky thread at the top of this forum for Heroic Gundrak :)

[Tizer]

I had a busy weekend myself, i think i farmed about 40 badges in all. Managed Gundrak a couple of times, found it realtively easy. The last boss is deffinately a bitch until you realise you have to stop dps and heal when hes a rhino. Drak Tharon cleared also, using brute force. Novos was an interesting fight to start with until i realised i could just bully him down and forget about the aoe using chain healing to top up the group after every 3/4 dps spams. Nexus was realitvely easy, as were the first 2 bosses in AN. I should get AN cleared soon, the last boss is a bit of a bitch but once i got my strafe keys sorted it wasnt too bad, i got through 3 phases but died near the end due to lack of concentration. Did a couple of strat runs also, didnt managed any timed runs, my DPS on average is about 1600 in pvp gear. :(

My pally got the 111 stam trinket from AN and enough badges to get the 40 badge trinket, plus a 25 man alt run in naxx got me enough pieces to clear 30k HPs unbuffed. All in all, im really enjoying doing heroics. A new lease of life for boxing you might say :)

[Dominian]

Heroics is mostly about gear anyway..

Just went back to some pve in order to gear my hunter and im struggeling with his low dps, respecced one shaman resto and now its pretty easy.

The last boss is easy if you focus on healing in the rhino phase (since your gear is bad like mine, my protadin have 23k hp)

Most of theese instances gets easy once you get the gear, however without the gear it can be hard.

Cleared heroics so far:

UK
Gundrak (tried the murloc once, but was all red so i dropped him)
Strat
Drak'Tharon (not the last boss, since follow didnt work back then and i couldnt see the new bar who popped up due to macaroon)

Tank: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kazzak&n=Rubylight

[Heenan]

I cleared this for the first time as well this weekend on Pally+3Mage+Priest. My problem was always the Drakkari Colossus. My fix? I finally got my alchemist the Mighty Nature Protection Potion recipe. The absorption kept my casters alive through his phasing.

I was very excited.

I was then able to one-shot Gal'darah. The Drakkari, for my group, is the hardest encounter in there, and still a bit random even with the proper buffs.

[Hachoo]

I cleared this for the first time as well this weekend on Pally+3Mage+Priest. My problem was always the Drakkari Colossus. My fix? I finally got my alchemist the Mighty Nature Protection Potion recipe. The absorption kept my casters alive through his phasing.

I was very excited.

I was then able to one-shot Gal'darah. The Drakkari, for my group, is the hardest encounter in there, and still a bit random even with the proper buffs.Yeah unfortunately this is one of many fights in WotLK that requires nature resistance and is made much harder without a group of shamans (healing stream totem is almost a requirement for some fights to be made easier in a lot of instances).

Good luck with your continued heroics! Since you have a non standard group you should try recording some runs and post them in the wotlk heroics thread :)

[Yopie Ismypie]

I cleared this for the first time as well this weekend on Pally+3Mage+Priest. My problem was always the Drakkari Colossus. My fix? I finally got my alchemist the Mighty Nature Protection Potion recipe. The absorption kept my casters alive through his phasing.

I was very excited.

I was then able to one-shot Gal'darah. The Drakkari, for my group, is the hardest encounter in there, and still a bit random even with the proper buffs.Yeah unfortunately this is one of many fights in WotLK that requires nature resistance and is made much harder without a group of shamans (healing stream totem is almost a requirement for some fights to be made easier in a lot of instances).

Good luck with your continued heroics! Since you have a non standard group you should try recording some runs and post them in the wotlk heroics thread :)

I'm running a paly and 4 shammie team. When I first started boxing heroics I was amazed when I would read, from another boxer, how easy an instance was. Then I slowly became better geared and realized heroics are all about gear. With the nature resist boss, I just drop a nature resist totem, spread my guys out and let the healing totems take care of their health. Makes it way easy.

[puppychow]

my DK hit 80 on saturday, I ran vh/CoT/gundrak/drak/hol and cleared them all but wiped a few times (mostly on trash) and there were a lot of "omg im about to die" moments, my DK had 25k hp and mostly blues + few crafted epics. Ran naxx10 and voa10/25/os10/25 sat night and got some drops (including wep off KT!), bought some heroic gear and hit 30k hp unbuffed yesterday (everything also enchanted), everything is epic now except hands and sigil. Just finished vh/gundrak with my better gear and wiped the floor, didnt even come close to dying. Gonna run the spider instances and UPinnacle today.

so I would really suggest one of the first things you do with your tank is get into any raids you possibly can, naxx10 especially is great for getting a ton of gear. VOA10/25 should be the very first thing you do on all your characters every tue (I split them into 5 diff raids, but have multiboxed sometimes -- just your chances of gear are better with 5 raids).

[Hachoo]

I cleared this for the first time as well this weekend on Pally+3Mage+Priest. My problem was always the Drakkari Colossus. My fix? I finally got my alchemist the Mighty Nature Protection Potion recipe. The absorption kept my casters alive through his phasing.

I was very excited.

I was then able to one-shot Gal'darah. The Drakkari, for my group, is the hardest encounter in there, and still a bit random even with the proper buffs.Yeah unfortunately this is one of many fights in WotLK that requires nature resistance and is made much harder without a group of shamans (healing stream totem is almost a requirement for some fights to be made easier in a lot of instances).

Good luck with your continued heroics! Since you have a non standard group you should try recording some runs and post them in the wotlk heroics thread :)

I'm running a paly and 4 shammie team. When I first started boxing heroics I was amazed when I would read, from another boxer, how easy an instance was. Then I slowly became better geared and realized heroics are all about gear. With the nature resist boss, I just drop a nature resist totem, spread my guys out and let the healing totems take care of their health. Makes it way easy.Gear does help, yes, but tactics and reaction times help just as much or more. Other than the last boss, I one shotted heroic gun'drak with 0 issues the first time I ran it (and it was my first heroic) and had it on farm within a couple runs. Gear just makes things blindingly easy but even without gear some heroics can be easy if you can squeeze out more dps, know the tactics to make certain fights easier, and have good reaction times for healing, purging, etc.

[Gomotron]

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I tried to do the DK + 4 Elemental Shaman thing last night and it was Epic Fail.

I respecced one to Resto and did better but still wiped a bunch. Was kind of "off" last night. Wiped at least 8 times on the final guy then called it a night. I am having trouble with positioning myself and keep getting knocked far away from the Shaman. The Elemental Shaman pump out 1600 DPS x 3 but I still have trouble during the Rhino phase.

I'll try again tonight. I got a set of blue shoulders that should help with my Defense (at 499 now) and I know that this is part of the problem.

[Siaea]

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I tried to do the DK + 4 Elemental Shaman thing last night and it was Epic Fail.

I respecced one to Resto and did better but still wiped a bunch. Was kind of "off" last night. Wiped at least 8 times on the final guy then called it a night. I am having trouble with positioning myself and keep getting knocked far away from the Shaman. The Elemental Shaman pump out 1600 DPS x 3 but I still have trouble during the Rhino phase.

I'll try again tonight. I got a set of blue shoulders that should help with my Defense (at 499 now) and I know that this is part of the problem.Well, first off, your DK is wearing a lot of PvP gear (no defense). Do some dailes x5, and you can get some crafted +def gear pretty fast, and that will help immensely. Personally, I've grown to love my DK tank. In TBC, I had a drood tank, and it's so much more fun to tank as a DK. Get yours +def capped, and that will solve a lot of issues. I'm definitely not calling myself an expert, but I would recommend unholy as a tank, and maybe have a resto shammy. Bone Shield + Earth Shield can really make up for a portion of gear, IMO. Plus, I have my resto's Riptide bound to the same key as lightning bolt for the others, so my DK almost always has a HOT on her. Also, I finally got myself to where I consider Gundrak on farm. When the last boss hits rhino, I make sure to have a flameshock up, and do this sequence: Chain Lightning, Chain Heal, Lava Burst, Heal Tank. Rinse, repeat. Like I said, I'm not expert, but I have run Gundrak enough (and Lord knows wiped enough) to start figuring out what to do with the gear that I have, and it seems to be working pretty well, finally. Good Luck!

[Stealthy]

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I tried to do the DK + 4 Elemental Shaman thing last night and it was Epic Fail.

I respecced one to Resto and did better but still wiped a bunch. Was kind of "off" last night. Wiped at least 8 times on the final guy then called it a night. I am having trouble with positioning myself and keep getting knocked far away from the Shaman. The Elemental Shaman pump out 1600 DPS x 3 but I still have trouble during the Rhino phase.

I'll try again tonight. I got a set of blue shoulders that should help with my Defense (at 499 now) and I know that this is part of the problem.

Your tank is wearing a *lot* of dps gear, at least from what I can see from your armory profile. Try getting these either crafted or from the AH - Daunting Legplates ('http://www.wowhead.com/?item=41345'), and some pieces from the Tempered Saronite set ('http://www.wowhead.com/?items=4.4&filter=na=Tempered+Saronite#0-3+1') and you should be much better equipped to handle heorics. Also you can run Normal HoL to get this trinket - Seal of the Pantheon ('http://www.wowhead.com/?item=36993')...its a great tanking trinket. Finally I'd suggest upgrading your sigil - this one's easily available, you can get the 30 venture coins from doing 3 dailies in about 10 mins: Sigil of the Frozen Conscience ('http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40822').

Hope this helps. :)

Cheers,

S.

[Hachoo]

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I tried to do the DK + 4 Elemental Shaman thing last night and it was Epic Fail.

I respecced one to Resto and did better but still wiped a bunch. Was kind of "off" last night. Wiped at least 8 times on the final guy then called it a night. I am having trouble with positioning myself and keep getting knocked far away from the Shaman. The Elemental Shaman pump out 1600 DPS x 3 but I still have trouble during the Rhino phase.

I'll try again tonight. I got a set of blue shoulders that should help with my Defense (at 499 now) and I know that this is part of the problem.If your positioning is wrong that means you haven't read any of the strategies or watched the Gundrak video in the sticky at the top of the forum. It shows you exactly where to place your shamans so they won't ever get moved too far out of range. Aside from that, just make sure in troll form you tank the boss far away, in rhino form tank him right on top of your shamans.

But yes if you aren't wearing defense gear in every slot you will get slaughtered in heroics - you need a piece of tank gear in every slot.

[Gomotron]

Hachoo

I got the Shaman positioned, but I was doing stupid stuff during the rhino phase and not tanking in the appropriate spot. Prior to reading your post, I re-watched the video you made and then tanked in the right spot and beat him down.

Even equipped in not-so-good tanking gear, I can beat most of the bosses in H Gundrak without too much trouble. The last guy was giving me fits, but hopefully with the new rhino tanking spot I can be a little more consistent.

I did manage to accrue enough Emblems to get a tanking sigil for the DK and some nice totems for the Shaman.

[Yopie Ismypie]

Gomo, this site and community is awesome. There are so many great strats here for almost every encounter and I would guess they all work. For the end boss in Gundrak, I used to heal through and not even dps. Now though I heal and dps and when he leaves rhino phase he is at 40k hps and then deaded. You'll get it and soon will be on your way.

[Dorffo]

Saving bloodlust for rhino transition instead of burning from the get go was one of the things that helped me get over the last boss learning curve.

Not to beat a dead horse here, but getting defense capped on the tank will take you from fights being doable to easy (and you may find that you don't need the resto sham, which will speed things up).

[Tizer]

you may find that you don't need the resto sham, which will speed things upThats the route i went, spamming 1 lesser healing wave quickly on all 4 instead of having 1 shaman do a near permanent healing job worked better for me. Plus less macros to pish about with.

[Simulacra]

went to H Grandruk last night and managed to down 3 bosses without any deaths WOO HOO!!!! This is my first heroic as a multiboxer so I'm pretty chuffed :) Thanks for videos, they really helped with sorting out positioning and also totems and made the fights trivial. I stopped after eck because it was 1am

My def on the pally is 545, health at 24000 buffed so not huge at all, the shammies just lesser heal whenever needed, seems to work well. I have a mouse side button tied to lesser healing wave on the tank and the macro uses /stopcasting for oh shit moments

[Tizer]

If i hold shift down a /stopcasting will cut in on the heal, else it will just heal on the next spell :D

With 545 Defence you could look at replacing a few def gems with the +24 stam ones. The extra hps may help more :> Although keeping it at 540 is ideal as you might get to tank the odd VoA..its certainly worth going when you can.

[Powerwar]

I even managed some achievements with the snake boss the first time I ran that instance.

Found the bosses really easy. Specially the colossus boss was more easy in heroic than in non heroic mode. He tended to chrage way less on my DPS toons... I think it's just luck.

The one boss that is impossible with my current gear is the heroic only boss... Eck the Ferocious or something like. When he enrages it's a wipe no matter what. My group just lacks the needed DPS to down him properly. So far managed to get him to around 30k HP twice before wiping.

[Greythan]

I hit Gundrak yesterday for my first attempt as a newly minted 80 team.

First boss is cake. (I read here later that there's a chance my tank could get wrapped; I'll lhave to prepare for that.) Pull him into the stairwell at the bottom, spam consecrate to catch adds, tank and spank.

Second boss I never made it past. The elemental phase just eats me up. First two tries I failed on even getting aggro on my pally: dead priest, dead group. After that, even with a smooth transision of aggro to the pally, the elemental just eats up my group. One thing I didn't try, which I will tonight, is spreading my guys out. I did have my priest/DPS all bunched and that might have been my problem.

Still, fun to get my first heroic boss kill and nine achievements! (4 guys never got "wrapped" + 5 emblems)

Oh, and my tank isn't yet defense capped (525 or so atm) and only 19.5k HP. So, I know it will get easier as she gears up.

[Hachoo]

If your tank gets wrapped its not that big of deal. That used to happen to me all the time when I had much lower DPS - I would just click the "wrap" on my tank (its targettable) with my tank, and then spam my DPS key to have my shamans blast the wrap off him, then click back on the boss and start DPSing again.

I've had my tank wrapped twice in 1 fight and it ended up not being a big deal.

[Tizer]

I've found i dont even have to heal in that fight, i just go mental with bloodlust, magma totems and fire off TS once when it gets messy followed by a chain heal, few more nukes and hes dead :D

[Greythan]

Any refined tips for handling the collosus, and more specifically the elemental? I'm flat out a newb when it comes to boss fights that require movement. As I stated above, I haven't yet tried simple positioning changes on this fight (i.e., my wipes yesterday were all with my pack of four gobbed together).

[Dominian]

For anyone who got a hunter in the group notify yourself that the last boss enrage can be tranqulized!

[badashh]

I just hit 80 and 2 keys for me handling the collosus. 1 is the nature resist totem. 2 is having your spread out button. I just use key bindings, so I cast, get the puddle then tap tap, to spread out cast, tap tap. That greatly reduced my incoming damage. Just make sure you are in range. My key binding are strafe right, strafe left, move back, and move forward. You should get him down before you get out of range, then heal up when he switches back.

[Talamarr]

Any refined tips for handling the collosus, and more specifically the elemental? I'm flat out a newb when it comes to boss fights that require movement. As I stated above, I haven't yet tried simple positioning changes on this fight (i.e., my wipes yesterday were all with my pack of four gobbed together).

You HAVE to spread your guys out but it doesn't have to be that much. The ground aoe splooge junk has a small radius so spread them out just enough to not get stacks of the debuff but still in range of chain heal bounces.

Also, make sure nature resist is up, it helps a LOT.

You could try popping a Nature Resist pot to help with some of the damage but not really necessary. On the elemental phase, focus more on group healing. Your tank should have enough health to withstand a lot of the nature damage but your dps/healer probably doesn't.

I save heroism for the last elemental phase and blow through it as fast as possible.

[Greythan]

Yeah, I have my shaman use a nature resist totem.

Priest is my healer, so I guess I need to keep my DPS spread out but within range of DPS.

Watched Hachoo's video and he doesn't move at all. However, its also clear in his video that he SEVERELY outgears me at present. It also seems like the four shaman set up is nice for the 4x Healing Stream.

I'll try again tonight with some of these tips. Thanks all!

[Hachoo]

Yeah, I have my shaman use a nature resist totem.

Priest is my healer, so I guess I need to keep my DPS spread out but within range of DPS.

Watched Hachoo's video and he doesn't move at all. However, its also clear in his video that he SEVERELY outgears me at present. It also seems like the four shaman set up is nice for the 4x Healing Stream.

I'll try again tonight with some of these tips. Thanks all!Yes the trick with not standing really is 4x healing stream - even at low gear levels you don't have to move at all (been doing it that way since the very first time I ran a Heroic which was Gun'Drak). Unfortunately without 4 shamans this requires different tactics.

[puppychow]

for elemental boss, drop all your totems in the middle of the room before the boss (giant circle). then position each of your guys in a corner of that circle, and your tank in the middle. pull and tank in the middle, with your DPSers/healers facing the center but not near anyone else. You should have buttons to heal individual people, since the slimer boss will randomly target people and sludge them (you can also just move everyone forward 3 steps when this happens, and then move them back after the pools are gone -- however with individual targeted healing you can just really have the person sit in the pool). As mentioned nature resist helps a lot, and of course you have to be super fast in taunting and building up some quick threat when the slimer boss comes out every time, since every phase threat resets completely.

[Greythan]

Tried again last night and I know its mostly just newness, but still struggling.

The simple fact is I can't heal through the pool damage and the other nature damage "burping" the elemental causes even with the toons spread out. I'll readily admit I have no rhythm in trying to reposition the group either. I have strafe left/right set to my slaves left/right key. Even so, i can't seem to coordinate healing, tanking, and moving. Obviously, being able to do those three things at the same time are going to be necessary skills for me to develop. Got him close.

Funny thing too, on the snake boss I wiped a few times and once had my last DPS go down with the snake at LESS than 1k health. Had me really laughing at that one. ;)

Fun stuff to work on. Also thinking I may do some solo heroics with guildees to get some gearing up done.

[puppychow]

when I first started doing heroics I wiped pretty much non stop everywhere, I wiped a lot on the elemental boss as well while figuring out what to do. Nowadays I've 3 manned many heroic bosses (2 of my accounts ran out of sub time and if guildies don't wanna come I 3-man the daily), as you gear up it becomes easier and easier.

one of the best things you can do however is solo your tank through as many pugs (esp raids like naxx10/os) as you can, and hope for some lucky rolls. The stronger your tank (and healer, if you have one) is, the easier the instances get.

[Hachoo]

Yep, or spend about 5k gearing him up with every BoE epic and the best gems/enchants you can buy if you want to turbo boost your way into overgeared tank.

[heffner]

I just tried this as my first heroic. I quickly realized how bad I am at multiboxing :P

I managed to actually kill the first boss (the guy near the pit of small snakes - guess first boss depends on where you enter??). I wiped a couple of times though. The AOE got my slaves. I never bothered going to the colossus.

My current problem is my paladin tank losing aggro. I need to calm down on button smashing or something.

[Dorffo]

Any refined tips for handling the collosus, and more specifically the elemental? I'm flat out a newb when it comes to boss fights that require movement. As I stated above, I haven't yet tried simple positioning changes on this fight (i.e., my wipes yesterday were all with my pack of four gobbed together).spread out in a cross with all toons facing the middle (I believe thats how hachoo's video has them placed).

when the boss does his spit thing calmly strafe everyone one step to the left or right and continue killing. repeat stepping hte other direction. all the while keep tank and mob in the middle - be ready to use both taunts on the pali.

What this does is steps you all out of th epool but keeps the boss in LOS of everyone without having to rotate any toons. takes some practice but that worked fairly well for me.

[Tizer]

I stick my shaman around to the right as you enter the room, up out of the pit, not in LoS of the boss. I totem up then pull with my pally, run back to the group, drop fresh magma totems, consecrate, pop bloodlust and hammer "Q" like a crazy fool and hitting TS if i see any adds. (this is my dps key on pally and shaman) i get him to about 1/3 health before the aoe hits, as he casts it, i fire off a chain heal, i spam "Q", till hes dead. (Sometimes i'll do another chain heal, sometimes i dont.) My pally never needs healing, the boss does hardly any damage and the chain heals top him up. Boss is dead in about 20 seconds. Job done. Move on. :o

Next boss just do as hanchoo does in his video, spread appart, nature res totem, 4 healing streams, then just....kill him. Chain heal if needed. My pally only needed 1 heal last night when i did it. I find the odd taunt is needed to keep agro, i "think" threat resets when he transforms. You should never have any threat generation issues if you have Righteous Fury active.

[olipcs]

What I have been doing with my team, to fight the colossus in his elemental phase is the following:

1. Position all 3 dpser on the walls of the circled room (the one befor the boss, where the elementals and the 2 'statues' were), with a little bit room between them, but not as much.
(the 'on the walls' is, so that the elemental stays before them, when it charges arround and the ppols don't add up)
2. position the priest before the dpsers so, that a 'holy nova' heals all dps (and the tank)
3. position the tank infront of the priest
4. use an nature-resitance thing ( for me its my hunter, for you your shaman)

with this constelation, in the elemental phase, i simply stay where i'am, tank with my paly, and dps with my toons, while my disc-priest spams holy-nova like he's crazy :)

[Greythan]

Thanks O.

I'm just not sure that my priest has enough SP and mana pool/regen to spam ae heals for this entire fight. I think I'm just suffering from the typical, just-hit-80-not-yet-geared blues and need to win a few and/or do some instancing with my guild.

May be trying this fight again tonight. I'm getting the first boss down pat a bit (although even he's a wipe 2/3 of the time still).

[Gomotron]

Keep plugging away and you'll develop your own strats for the fight based on your own gear and group composition.

And when that fails, check out the movies on this forum and just ask questions. I know that I had all kinds of problems with my team and usually, I'd search the forums here and find an answer, although maybe not the exact answer I was looking for.

I, for one, have decided to get better Def gear on my tank and that has made the fights a lot easier. My main problem has been positioning, which I seem to be getting better on.

[Stealthy]

Yep, or spend about 5k gearing him up with every BoE epic and the best gems/enchants you can buy if you want to turbo boost your way into overgeared tank.My Armory.
('http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Magtheridon&n=De%C3%A2thgrip')
I made my tank BS/JC and made them myself :P

The extra sockets, prismatic gems and monarch crab figurine were just gravy. :)

Cheers,

S.

[Greythan]

Killed the Collosus on my third attempt last night.

Refined my tactics a bit. Realized I was engaging DPS a bit too early after the transformation. Gave my pally time to get aggro and it went better. Did it in Hachoo's "cross" formation wiith strafe buttons mapped for slaves.

Far from ezmode, but took him down. Of course, he drops a piece of leather rogue gear for my party. (Hello DE shard) ;)

[Hachoo]

Killed the Collosus on my third attempt last night.

Refined my tactics a bit. Realized I was engaging DPS a bit too early after the transformation. Gave my pally time to get aggro and it went better. Did it in Hachoo's "cross" formation wiith strafe buttons mapped for slaves.

Far from ezmode, but took him down. Of course, he drops a piece of leather rogue gear for my party. (Hello DE shard) ;)Congrats! Once you get used to the encounter and get some serious DPS going you'll find that you can utilize taunts + super high DPS to nail him without having to build threat.

Basically for my DK when he transforms I can hit him with so much DPS that I just use 1 taunt and within the 3-5 seconds when it ends he's already transforming back into another form :D

[Greythan]

Learn something everyday:

So, if you continue to burn down the collosus while he's spitting out the elemental (i.e., transforming) you reduce the amount of time you face the elemental? Did I get that right?

My DPS is no where near what it should be so this is a way off, but worth knowing.

Oh, one addendum. It was late for me after downing him, but also the first time I could move into the cavern beyond him. So, I thought I'd kill a few more. There's the one roamer that I downed and then the first group of four humanoids. So, having not yet macro'd Hex I went ahead and set it up.

Feeling invincible, I set my mage's focus on one target, my shaman on another and pull. I hit my sheep/hex macro, and of course I had focused my shaman on a ranged mob. It doesn't get within range, aggro bounces to my priest, and I wipe. Laughed pretty hard. A bit of humble pie after my boss victory. Good stuff.

[Hachoo]

Learn something everyday:

So, if you continue to burn down the collosus while he's spitting out the elemental (i.e., transforming) you reduce the amount of time you face the elemental? Did I get that right?

My DPS is no where near what it should be so this is a way off, but worth knowing.

Oh, one addendum. It was late for me after downing him, but also the first time I could move into the cavern beyond him. So, I thought I'd kill a few more. There's the one roamer that I downed and then the first group of four humanoids. So, having not yet macro'd Hex I went ahead and set it up.

Feeling invincible, I set my mage's focus on one target, my shaman on another and pull. I hit my sheep/hex macro, and of course I had focused my shaman on a ranged mob. It doesn't get within range, aggro bounces to my priest, and I wipe. Laughed pretty hard. A bit of humble pie after my boss victory. Good stuff.Not quite exactly what I meant. Basically, you only have to do something like 75k damage to him each time for him to switch forms. I can do 75k damage in just a few seconds (maybe 4-5, FS+LvB+LB is something like 60-70k damage for me, plus my DKs damage), so when he changes forms I hit him with an icy touch to grab aggro, FS to set up the LvB, then when I cast the LvB I hit either dark command or death grip and thats enough to hold aggro through LvB + LB (+ LB if I need a 3rd spell) - Death grip is usually wearing off about that point but I did so much damage hes changing forms already anyway :)

[Xinxo]

It's a funny feeling when you go from just killing a boss to the point where you get achievements for killing it so quickly. Yesterday I got Consumption Junction ('http://www.wowhead.com/?achievement=2151') with out even trying :S No LOS used, just burnt him quickly enough. Had 15k over all dps >.>

[Dorffo]

Oh, one addendum. It was late for me after downing him, but also the first time I could move into the cavern beyond him. So, I thought I'd kill a few more. There's the one roamer that I downed and then the first group of four humanoids. So, having not yet macro'd Hex I went ahead and set it up.
Are you talking about the troll area that leads down to Moorabi?

If so, after killing the elemental (coming from snake side), you can jump into the water and swim over to the ramp next to Moorabi/Eck's room - no need to kill Trolls/hulk things. After killing Eck and Moorabi (reverse that order), just jump off the ledge where the crystal you have to click is, and swim over to the middle and proceed to the last boss. Shaves a few minutes and you don't have to deal with the 4packs of trolls.

[Greythan]

Are you talking about the troll area that leads down to Moorabi?

If so, after killing the elemental (coming from snake side), you can jump into the water and swim over to the ramp next to Moorabi/Eck's room - no need to kill Trolls/hulk things. After killing Eck and Moorabi (reverse that order), just jump off the ledge where the crystal you have to click is, and swim over to the middle and proceed to the last boss. Shaves a few minutes and you don't have to deal with the 4packs of trolls.
Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about so I learned more than one "something" today. ;)

Thanks for the tip.

Hachoo, thanks for the clarification. That makes sense. I've determined that my aggro management on this fight needs some serious work. I've had a few runs now where I get the elemental focused on the tank only to see it run after and kill a dps. I need to stop mashing the dps button after each transformation for a second to let the pally build up threat. I'm just so damn nervous about survivability that I'm mashing buttons like crazy trying to burn him down. ;)

[Gomotron]

Greythan

A good boss fight to try to learn controlled DPS is the Vexallus fight in Heroic Magister's Terrace. In that particular fight, if you DPS too quickly without killing adds, you'll end up wiping as the adds have a pretty mean AE.

On normal mode, you can DPS so quickly that it doesn't matter, but on Heroic, you either need huge DPS or you need to control the encounter. Anyways, it's a fun fight and may help you get a little more comfortable with controlling DPS.

I'm not one to really talk, though, as I get spastic on Heroic Boss fights as well!

[Greythan]

I'm not one to really talk, though, as I get spastic on Heroic Boss fights as well!
At this risk of not being politically correct, I'm a total spaz atm on these fights.

Heart beat increases. Hands are shaking. Its really fun. :)

Its also really frustrating when you realize you aren't playing smart. However, that's all part of why we took up this multi-boxing mantle, huh?

On the positive side, I've never played a tank class in any game (former longtime EQ player here). My guild needed an offtank for a 10 man OS and I performed quite well. It was clear my guild outgeared the content, but I followed directions pretty well and held aggro on the adds, went through the portal on the dragon fights, etc. I think the multi-boxing really makes you a better all around player.

Back on the topic of spastic play, I really need to work on my keybinds. I notice that I have certain functions set to keybinds that require both hands and I've stubbonrly resisted changing. For example, my fire elemental totem is alt-7 and my bloodlust is alt-8. I've died a couple times by taking my hand off my numpad (all my healer binds are there) to try and set those off. Silly stuff like that.

[Greythan]

Just took the Collusus down on my first attempt tonight. A huge upgrade to my warlock running Nax10 with guild last night helped dps. That said, my tactics are MUCH better.

Key I'm finding on that fight is aggro management. Staying calm enough to get and hold aggro after each transformation makes a big difference. Oh, and even one healing stream totem is highly helpful. A few AE heals from my priest and everyone survived. A first.

Great to have this community. Thanks to everyone for the contributions.

[heffner]

I finally cleared this as well =). My first heroic.

The colossus was a colossal pain in the but. I wiped about 7 times. I am having serious issues with my paladin regaining aggro after the transformations. Almost all wipes were due to my priest getting owned right after the switch. My shaman got owned a couple times when I managed to save my priest, but that was bad too - bye bye nature resist. I tried again tonight and failed 3 attempts. Gave up and went through the other entrance to do Moorabi and Eck instead.

This has so far been a common theme for me. My priest keeps getting owned. I had problems with Novos (read: wiped 10 times) due to my priest dying (mostly from the adds). Positioning in the fight makes a huge difference too. I tried a different spot than what was in Hachoo's video, OMG LOL, what a mistake. I got overwhelmed with adds.

Similar problem with King Dred. I can get him down to about 50k most of the time but my priest eventually gets owned by the added raptor. I haven't tried fighting up the stairs yet though.

Well, at least I got some gear I needed after my 1k in repair bills (20g X 5toons X 10 wipes = OUCH!).

[Gomotron]

Heffner,



I am sure that it is a coded thing, because when I was running a 4 hunter + priest team, whenever we were running along and something would aggro, the priest ALWAYS caught aggro first, even when she was standing right on top of three other hunters.

I am not sure but you may wanna try Fading immediately on the change and also try to keep Avenger's Shield up until the transformation. This will at least get you through the first tranformation to the elemental.

[heffner]

/Facepalm, Fade!! Lol, I don't know why I forgot about that, I used to play a priest as a main way back when too. Thanks for the tip! Hard to become proficient at five different classes at the same time =)

[Greythan]

Well, back to the drawing board. Moorabi ate me up for my three tries I had time for last night.

I struggled hard with keeping my tank alive and being able to cast enough AE healing so that a second stomp doesn't kill my entire crew.

Have to work on timing, use of healthstones/pots, and getting my shaman to help out with a chain heal (?) after a stomp to keep toons above 8k.

Fun fun!

[Dorffo]

I believe you can out-range the stomp with your casters (been a bit, so maybe i am recalling that incorrectly).

[Greythan]

THought I'd read that you can't outrange the stomp. Anyone else have a definitive on this?

[Greythan]

Okay, hit a new wall today.

Cleared all four bosses prior to Gundrak on the first try. (Also was my first attempt period on Eck.)

So, feeling confident I took a run at Gundrak, and another, and another..... well, you know how the story ends. ;)

Rhino form simply kicks my arse. Followed Hachoo's positioning from his video. Largely avoided the troll form's weapon spin, things going just fine. Bigwigs tells me transformation is coming so I move over closer to my group. Simply, can't keep my tank alive. On the last attempt, I stopped my shaman from DPS'ing and had him add heals with my priest. Still, couldn't keep tank alive.

My tank, while still early in gear, has improved lately: 22.3HP, 23859 armor, 20.05% dodge, 16.07% parry, 12.95% block, block stops 954 damage, defense is 553.

Any thoughts?

[Hachoo]

Blow all your cooldowns during rhino form... what exactly are you having issues with?

If your defense truly is 553 (your actual defense not your defense rating) you shouldn't have any issues - if you get crit you can basically be one shotted when hes in rhino form and enraged.

When I was first trying the encounter I finally beat the boss by not doing anything during rhino form except heal. It doesn't last a terribly long time. I just sat and spammed 4x lesser healing waves over and over again until rhino form ended then went back to my normal DPS - would usually kill him back then before another rhino form. Now I can kill him before he turns into a rhino the first time :D

I would say when he transforms into a rhino just spam heals over and over - use all of your tank cooldowns (if you have any - for my DK I would use icebound fort and re-use bone shield if it was up, plus my dodge trinket, etc).

[Dominian]

Okay, hit a new wall today.

Cleared all four bosses prior to Gundrak on the first try. (Also was my first attempt period on Eck.)

So, feeling confident I took a run at Gundrak, and another, and another..... well, you know how the story ends. ;)

Rhino form simply kicks my arse. Followed Hachoo's positioning from his video. Largely avoided the troll form's weapon spin, things going just fine. Bigwigs tells me transformation is coming so I move over closer to my group. Simply, can't keep my tank alive. On the last attempt, I stopped my shaman from DPS'ing and had him add heals with my priest. Still, couldn't keep tank alive.

My tank, while still early in gear, has improved lately: 22.3HP, 23859 armor, 20.05% dodge, 16.07% parry, 12.95% block, block stops 954 damage, defense is 553.

Any thoughts?

Defence is a lost cause when you pass 540, socket/enchant stamina/avoidance and always try to balance it at 540.

[Greythan]

Yeah, my defense is 553. Just got a few item upgrades and haven't explored rebalancing the handful of gems/enchants I have.

Problem is pretty straight forward, I can't keep the tank upright. In fairness, I've only tried the encounter a half dozen times and it took more a lot more than that to get the Collussus figured out. Was just wondering if there was anything obvious I was missing.

How long does the rhino form last? Seemed an eternity to me. ;)

[Hachoo]

Yeah, my defense is 553. Just got a few item upgrades and haven't explored rebalancing the handful of gems/enchants I have.

Problem is pretty straight forward, I can't keep the tank upright. In fairness, I've only tried the encounter a half dozen times and it took more a lot more than that to get the Collussus figured out. Was just wondering if there was anything obvious I was missing.

How long does the rhino form last? Seemed an eternity to me. ;)It lasts a little while - not sure the exact amount of time but < 30 seconds I'm guessing. You shouldn't run out of mana or anything. I believe he hits for like what, 6-9k when hes enraged? I was able to spam 1.5s heals enough to cover the damage when I first started the encounter - I had to do nothing but heal really. Have you done the encounter yet where you do nothing but spam your heal and tank macro when hes in rhino form? You want to keep aggro on your paladin of course so you should keep smacking the boss with the tank, but then with your healer just spam your fastest most efficient heal as fast as you can and hope it keeps up :D You could probably heal with your paladin also if you had to.

[Simulacra]

I would like to announce that on Saturday morning I cleared Heroic Grundrak and got the plate gloves for my pally - WOO HOO!!!!!!!!!!!
Changes made that made this possible:
Changed my Shaman DPS macro to not cast chain lightning as I noticed with recount data that it wasn't causing a whole bunch of damage whereas LB was.
Gave 3 of my shaman a +40 hit potion.
The final boss went down like a ton of bricks - mwahahahahaha

edit: forgot to say, the shammies finished the fight with full health and 3/4 mana :) the pally on was still pretty healthy with 50% health, I had to use 1 mana pot for the pally

[Greythan]

It lasts a little while - not sure the exact amount of time but < 30 seconds I'm guessing. You shouldn't run out of mana or anything. I believe he hits for like what, 6-9k when hes enraged? I was able to spam 1.5s heals enough to cover the damage when I first started the encounter - I had to do nothing but heal really. Have you done the encounter yet where you do nothing but spam your heal and tank macro when hes in rhino form? You want to keep aggro on your paladin of course so you should keep smacking the boss with the tank, but then with your healer just spam your fastest most efficient heal as fast as you can and hope it keeps up You could probably heal with your paladin also if you had to.
I wonder if one priest and one elemental spec'd shaman spamming their respective fast heals would be enough? I'll admit, I'm trying land the priest's big heal during this phase and she's either getting interupted too much and/or the time between casts leaves too big a window for a series of hits.

To be honest, I never use the fast heal on my tank.

[Taliesin]

Greythan, it appears we have the exact same group makeup. I had some issues initially trying to work out the strategy with him as well (wiped 3 times before I got the fight pretty stable).

First thing I can suggest is throwing Divine Protection on your tank shortly after he changes. It reduces all damage you take by 50% for 12sec. Granted this only lasts for about half of his rhino phase, but it allows me to keep my DPS rotations going without really worrying any more about healing the tank. I actually wait a couple seconds to let him get a shot or two off, as it is easy enough to heal back while protected, and reduces the amount of hits he can get in after the protection wears off at the end. Honestly, you should be paying more attention to anyone else that gets hooked on his horn to keep them alive during this time. Group heals are enough to keep every going while Protection is active, though I still use direct heals on the tank if nobody else needs a heal.

Once Divine Protection drops, I keep the priest constantly trying to get a big heal off on the tank; keep them coming non-stop whether it's needed yet or not. He'll interrupt every now and then, but if you start another heal right after an interrupt, it should land before he tries to interrupt again. At this point, don't even worry about healing anyone but the tank. If one DPS dies, its a small price to pay, but even then it seems pretty rare for me (usually because they get hooked/charged twice in a row).

Worst case, be ready to use Lay on Hands on yourself for an instant full-self-heal if you think your priest isn't going to save you. As dwarf, I also have stoneform (10% more armor, among other benefits that don't help me here) to hit right after Divine Protection wears off. Point is, be aware of all the tools you have available to your class/race that will benefit you here. This is one fight where you don't pull any punches.

Should he live long enough to switch back to troll form (likely, unless you have all your DPSers geared well), then he should be almost dead and hardly any more trouble. If he lives long enough to change to rhino a second time, you should seriously take a look at your DPS rotations and make a lot of fixes and/or get better geared from regular instances.

[Dominian]

I kinda disagre with the above poster, mainly because i feel this fight is about control.

Ofc burning bosses down works, and some bosses simply require it. However boss fights who has no enrage timer or stacking debuff, should be controled rather than burned since you can handle unexpected situations way better.

[Taliesin]

I kinda disagre with the above poster, mainly because i feel this fight is about control.

Ofc burning bosses down works, and some bosses simply require it. However boss fights who has no enrage timer or stacking debuff, should be controled rather than burned since you can handle unexpected situations way better.

I assume this is in reference to my post? The whole post was dedicated to controlling the fight. No where did I say that he should focus on just DPSing him down. Closest I came to saying that was the DPS can continue as normal while Divine Protection is active, reason is because now you've just turned his high damage into something very easy to heal through. And if he makes it to a second rhino phase, he will already have blown all his best abilities and he will lose control of the fight quickly, unless he outright bubbles on the second phase. He'd have to make sure to taunt right away after a bubble though to prevent a wipe.

But you are right. This fight is all about control. That is, unless you are Hachoo and can do super insane DPS so that he doesn't even have a chance to change to rhino. But we all can't be gods. ;)

[Dominian]

I kinda disagre with the above poster, mainly because i feel this fight is about control.

Ofc burning bosses down works, and some bosses simply require it. However boss fights who has no enrage timer or stacking debuff, should be controled rather than burned since you can handle unexpected situations way better.

I assume this is in reference to my post? The whole post was dedicated to controlling the fight. No where did I say that he should focus on just DPSing him down. Closest I came to saying that was the DPS can continue as normal while Divine Protection is active, reason is because now you've just turned his high damage into something very easy to heal through. And if he makes it to a second rhino phase, he will already have blown all his best abilities and he will lose control of the fight quickly, unless he outright bubbles on the second phase. He'd have to make sure to taunt right away after a bubble though to prevent a wipe.

But you are right. This fight is all about control. That is, unless you are Hachoo and can do super insane DPS so that he doesn't even have a chance to change to rhino. But we all can't be gods. ;)

You talk like that its impossible to survive the Rhino phase wich it aint. You cant assume that everyone have good enough gear to burn him down before the 2nd phase. I did this encounter on heroic before the major shaman changes with 1250 spelldamage and a protadin that had 22k hp. It took me 3 rhino phases but i survived completley fine by just healing in the rhino phase. Cant see how you lose control in the rhino phase???

Hachoo's shamans have 1800 spelldamage totaly unbuffed and a DK tank who has 26.5k hp, no fresh teams can show off with theese stats. 4 Shamans with a well geared tank can put out a insane amount of dps compared to a team with a dedicated healer. It wasnt always easy for him either when he had crap gear and i bet he regret abit for frapsing it now! :P

[Hachoo]

I kinda disagre with the above poster, mainly because i feel this fight is about control.

Ofc burning bosses down works, and some bosses simply require it. However boss fights who has no enrage timer or stacking debuff, should be controled rather than burned since you can handle unexpected situations way better.

I assume this is in reference to my post? The whole post was dedicated to controlling the fight. No where did I say that he should focus on just DPSing him down. Closest I came to saying that was the DPS can continue as normal while Divine Protection is active, reason is because now you've just turned his high damage into something very easy to heal through. And if he makes it to a second rhino phase, he will already have blown all his best abilities and he will lose control of the fight quickly, unless he outright bubbles on the second phase. He'd have to make sure to taunt right away after a bubble though to prevent a wipe.

But you are right. This fight is all about control. That is, unless you are Hachoo and can do super insane DPS so that he doesn't even have a chance to change to rhino. But we all can't be gods. ;)

You talk like that its impossible to survive the Rhino phase wich it aint. You cant assume that everyone have good enough gear to burn him down before the 2nd phase. I did this encounter on heroic before the major shaman changes with 1250 spelldamage and a protadin that had 22k hp. It took me 3 rhino phases but i survived completley fine by just healing in the rhino phase. Cant see how you lose control in the rhino phase???

Hachoo's shamans have 1800 spelldamage totaly unbuffed and a DK tank who has 26.5k hp, no fresh teams can show off with theese stats. 4 Shamans with a well geared tank can put out a insane amount of dps compared to a team with a dedicated healer. It wasnt always easy for him either when he had crap gear and i bet he regret abit for frapsing it now! :PHey to be fair my DK has 29.5k hp ;)

But yes, when I first started doing the fight (which at the time I probably did have around 22k hp, and my shamans did have around the same amount of SP), I pretty much had to only heal during the rhino phase. Now normally I would say bubbling for -50% dmg reduction would probably work just fine, but at the time Icebound fortitude was -50% damage as well, and even popping that during the rhino phase I still had to spam heals because he still did retarded amounts of damage even with the reduction.

The whole fight is really about trying different levels of dps and healing, and then using the one that works for you. For me, at the beginning, it was about only healing during rhino phase - now I pretty much brute force damn near every Heroic boss - almost every single one can be completely owned by just DPSing so hard and fast they never get a chance to do their special moves. Of course for this to work you really have to be geared well, have a good rotation, etc. I do kind of wish I had FRAPSed my heroic runs back when i was first getting them on farm, before I had all the gear and experience I have now - it probably would have made them better "tutorial" videos. To me, some of the videos I made are less helpful just because I end up killing the boss before it uses half of the moves you have to learn how to dodge/avoid/get around/etc.

Hopefully some other people will pioneer some video making for WotLK and get a bunch of "starter" tutorials up :)

[Taliesin]

You talk like that its impossible to survive the Rhino phase wich it aint. You cant assume that everyone have good enough gear to burn him down before the 2nd phase. I did this encounter on heroic before the major shaman changes with 1250 spelldamage and a protadin that had 22k hp. It took me 3 rhino phases but i survived completley fine by just healing in the rhino phase. Cant see how you lose control in the rhino phase???

Hachoo's shamans have 1800 spelldamage totaly unbuffed and a DK tank who has 26.5k hp, no fresh teams can show off with theese stats. 4 Shamans with a well geared tank can put out a insane amount of dps compared to a team with a dedicated healer. It wasnt always easy for him either when he had crap gear and i bet he regret abit for frapsing it now! :P

I'm just getting confused now. I'm not even suggesting that's its impossible to survive the rhino phase. Quite the opposite. I'm responding to Greythan's post where he is having trouble surviving this phase, so I gave him suggestions on how to make it easier. This first rhino phase he (as paladin) has some tools to make it easier. I'm even talking about doing this with a tankadin with only 23K hps when I first beat him, with average spellpower of about 1400 on lock/mage/shaman (lock averaging about 1200 DPS, bad rotation I guess). My focus was primarily healing during the rhino phase, at least while Divine Protection was down. He still did not even come close to changing to rhino a second time.

If he's having trouble surviving the rhino phase without using these special abilities, my point is he'll want to try to down him before he gets to the second rhino phase, after he's already used them up.

Where are you reading into my statements that I am anywhere saying to "burn him down"? Perhaps I can better explain that part, since its clearly being misinterpreted.

[Dominian]

You talk like that its impossible to survive the Rhino phase wich it aint. You cant assume that everyone have good enough gear to burn him down before the 2nd phase. I did this encounter on heroic before the major shaman changes with 1250 spelldamage and a protadin that had 22k hp. It took me 3 rhino phases but i survived completley fine by just healing in the rhino phase. Cant see how you lose control in the rhino phase???

Hachoo's shamans have 1800 spelldamage totaly unbuffed and a DK tank who has 26.5k hp, no fresh teams can show off with theese stats. 4 Shamans with a well geared tank can put out a insane amount of dps compared to a team with a dedicated healer. It wasnt always easy for him either when he had crap gear and i bet he regret abit for frapsing it now! :P

I'm just getting confused now. I'm not even suggesting that's its impossible to survive the rhino phase. Quite the opposite. I'm responding to Greythan's post where he is having trouble surviving this phase, so I gave him suggestions on how to make it easier. This first rhino phase he (as paladin) has some tools to make it easier. I'm even talking about doing this with a tankadin with only 23K hps when I first beat him, with average spellpower of about 1400 on lock/mage/shaman (lock averaging about 1200 DPS, bad rotation I guess). My focus was primarily healing during the rhino phase, at least while Divine Protection was down. He still did not even come close to changing to rhino a second time.

If he's having trouble surviving the rhino phase without using these special abilities, my point is he'll want to try to down him before he gets to the second rhino phase, after he's already used them up.

Where are you reading into my statements that I am anywhere saying to "burn him down"? Perhaps I can better explain that part, since its clearly being misinterpreted.

I guess we misunderstood each others then! :P

But yes using divine protection on the first rhino phase and pop bloodlust on the second or visa versa should makes things easier!

[Greythan]

I absolutely need to work on my DPS rotations. (I'm open to any suggestions on that topic too ;) )

I'm going back to Gundrak tonight and will try using all my paladin defensive abilities and using the shaman to augment my priest to heal through the rhino phase.

My dps in troll form has even been spotty due to my not being used to moving my tank around to avoid his spinning blade, so I bet I'll need to try and survive two rhino's. May go ahead and burn all trinkets/bloodlust if I survive the first and see if I can burn him down. :)

Its all fun. Great to have these boards as a resource!

[Taliesin]

We have the same classes, but I see that our specs are different on mage and lock, so I can't really give much assistance there. My mage is arcane and lock is affliction. Honestly, I think my lock would be better off in destruction as well, but he's getting replaced soon by boomkin so I'm not inclined to mess with him much right now.

For shaman, there's a whole long thread covering a lot of ideas, rotations, and macros in this thread:

Elemental Shaman DPS macro figured out ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=17980')

[Greythan]

Well I ....

Finally cleared H Gundrak!

castrandom elemental shaman macro helped...
Healing only during rhino phase with priest/shaman helped...
Using Divine Protection (after not even knowing the spell was in my spellbook until getting a tip on these boards ;) ) helped...
Tailoring new pants for my healer/2 DPS helped...

But most of all...

dual-boxing.com helped.

Thanks all. Again and again I say, great community here.

FYI. Funniest part of this whole thing? I had one wipe and... it was on a three snake pull. ;) Didn't die to any of the bosses.

[Tizer]

Grats :) Now you need to be able to do it every day xD

[Greythan]

Funny you say that. Saturday night ended poorly with 6 wipes on the last boss so I gave up. DId notice a flaw in my macros for the rhino phase that resulted in no priest healing. Amazing how those anomolies pop up from time to time. :)

That said, all the other bosses appear to be on ezmode. 4 for 4 on them Saturday.

[Taliesin]

Congrats! Gundrak was one those instances that truly gave me a sense of accomplishment once I figured out how to handle everything.

Gal'darah still intimidates me a bit, but at least now I know what I need to do to win (even if I still don't have perfect performances every time). After a few more runs, it will start to get a little more routine and less worrisome. :)

[Gomotron]

Well, I managed to clear all 5 bosses without a wipe.

I did have a shaman die from poison/stupidity. Amazing how sometimes you look at something without really seeing anything, like low health!

Got the achievement "What the Eck" too :thumbsup:

[newways]

Tonight I managed to clear H gun as well. it wasn't without some headache though. Especially with the last boss. I tried every finesse trick I read and after 4 wipes I figured with no more reincarnates, I have nothing to lose. BRUTE FORCE! And down he went. Woo Hoo