Newbie - I'm a clicker not a keyer - set up and TOS Q

[Doofenschmirtz]

OK I have Keyclone and Jamba. I like Jamba but Keyclone doesn't really fit my play style. I would like to find a way to do this without changing style. Basically I'm a clicker ... the only keys I really use for game play are w,a,s,d,space,enter(chat). Everything else is done with my mouse.

First off I have looked around for an answer and have not found one. If it has been answered please just call me a newb and point me in the right direction. What I want to do is to maybe use Jamba or another addon to command my slaves from master. Like this for macro on master:

/dance

/t slave1 !dance (slave1 gets command from master and does /dance)

/t slave2 !danceNo (slave2 gets command from master and does /say I NO WANNA DANCE!! /rude)

This way I can continue the be a clicker. So questions is ... is something like this possible and would go against the TOS in any way?

[Dorffo]

You might look into Innerspace or HKN with mouse replication on, that would allow you to pass clicks from your main to your alts as well.

RE the macro question:
I don't know that any form of whisper-casting is possible anymore, but I am not honestly 100% sure on that.

[FunkStar]

I know you probably dont want this answer but...

You really want to stop being a clicker and start using keybinds if you want to get into multiboxing properly.

[pjdell]

Maybe you have a mouse with like 100 buttons in which case you might be ok.

Otherwise i'm just going to go with the last poster and say... you aren't going to multibox as a clicker. Well not well at least.

You might be able to pull of a 2 box but idk how you could expect to click between 5 screens effectively.


Give me more of an idea of how you are going to do this and maybe i'll try to be more optimistic.
I haven't heard of whisper casting being used in a very long time but maybe its out there. And if not the only effective way to be a multiboxer clicker would be to go against ToS

[wolpak]

Yesterday I made a post about how you can effectively send mouse clicks to other slaves. I guess I should have labeled it better than my multibox setup, but it has good info in there.

I use HotKeyNet and basically, what it can do is listen for a on screen LButton or RButton click. You modify the script to tell HKN if you click within a certain area X=100+30 Y=100+30 and if you do, it then maps that to a key and sends it to a slave window. On the slave window you create a macro, set it to a button, and keymap it. So, when you click and send F1 to your slave window, it reads it like you hit the F1 key.

I have a 3 man with a Paladin, Shaman and Warlock. Still learning a lot about multi-boxing and the best setup, but right now the Shaman and Warlock have a 4X3 12 button rectangle on my Paladin's UI where I click on a dummy macro and it send the real command over to my other characters. Works pretty well as it is pretty much a virtual keyboard. If you want any more info, I can share the script.

[wolpak]

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa88/jkaplow/Wow3.jpg

On my Pally's screen, you can see dummy icons I made up for the Shaman's LB and the Warlock's Shadow Bolt. Those macros are placeholder and you don't even need buttons. They are there to let me know that I am clicking on them. HKN listens for the location of the click, maps it to a keystroke and sends it through to the other window. Works well. I am a pretty bad multiboxer, but getting better. The system works as well as if you were soloing.

[Freddie]

I'm glad to see that stuff in use. :) Does WoW save the locations of the dummy icons or do you have to reposition them each time you start?

[wolpak]

I'm glad to see that stuff in use. :) Does WoW save the locations of the dummy icons or do you have to reposition them each time you start?They are on my actionbars which persist in their locations on the UI.

[Redbeard]

When I started getting into boxing I was also dismayed to find that I had to stop my clicking ways and become a hotkey user. Do yourself a favor. Try it. Youll never go back.

Heres my advice: dont try to box it. Just pick a character you know and just WIPE HIS BARS. Force yourself to start over. THink about how you play and then start setting up your bars in a way that will compliment the abilities you use the most in the best key positions.

Alternately there are some mouse broadcasting programs =)

[valle2000]

I use HotKeyNet and basically, what it can do is listen for a on screen LButton or RButton click. You modify the script to tell HKN if you click within a certain area X=100+30 Y=100+30 and if you do, it then maps that to a key and sends it to a slave window. On the slave window you create a macro, set it to a button, and keymap it. So, when you click and send F1 to your slave window, it reads it like you hit the F1 key.Can you (or anyone else) please show a script example of how you check a certain area for clicks and send a keystroke to the other client?
Thanks. :-)

[Smoooth]

Wow I didn't even know hotkeynet could do that and it's what I use. I'm going to have to look into it and spend this weekend making buttons for all my junk like food tables and ports and all kinds of other stuff I dont even use just because it's an inconvenience.

[Jubber]

On the hotkeynet forums there is a user that has posted a great tutorial on how to set this up. I wasn't sure if I could link it here.

[valle2000]

I tried this code to make my 2nd char jump:


<Hotkey ScrollLockOn Lbutton>
<If MouseIsOverWindowRect WoW1 296 1078 50 50>
<SendLabel w2>
<Key Space>
It works BUT now it seems left clicking only works while clicking on that particlar screen area and don't respond at all to other left clicks ingame.
How do I please fix this?

[Ualaa]

If you want to click things, it sounds like there are good options with HKN.
Honestly, keybinds are far superior as far as pvp or fast reactions go.

It takes a while to learn keybinds, but if you want to do so, you'll get there.
Basically take something you click now, give it a keybind and play normally for a session.
Next session add another keybind to something you used to click.
The process will be gradual, but you'll learn them.

Ultimately using the mouse to select targets, mouse view the area (left click) and move the main (two buttons pressed and steering)...
Combined with keybinds you can reach with the other hand... in my case right on the mouse, left on the keyboard...
- 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
- Q, W, E, R, T
- A, S, D, F, G
- Z, X, C, V, B
- Left Alt (Via Left Thumb), Left Shift/Control (via Left Pinky)
That is a lot of keybinds, that are very fast to reach and can after a while be used instinctively.

Personally I've unbound movement from all but W on the main.
I still use Q and E to strafe if I need to.
These don't pass to the slaves.
It's faster to Strafe then move backwards, so I can strafe and change my angle with the mouse easily.
The arrow keys are unbound from the main, but allow the slaves to move independently of the master.

Everyone has their own system that works for them.
If you're willing to force yourself to keybinds, you'll suck initially.
With practice, you'll get develop far quicker reflexes and be a much stronger player.
Whether that is one-boxing or multi-boxing.
If clicking everything is what makes the game most fun to play, by all means click away.

[TheBigBB]

What are you trying to accomplish with multiboxing? I don't think you're going to have any fun if you're not willing to use keybindings.

[Kel]

I would also suggest trying to learn how to use keys instead of clicks, I find things a lot quicker now that I use keys for my main spells rather than clicking (I also find it much better for healing as I can use mouseover macros). I still click quick a lot of buttons, but all of my main attacks/heals are keybound (and of course everything for multi-boxing).

I started off by just using my main spell keybindings (i.e. 1=wand, 2=frostbolt, 3=ice lance and so on), once I got comfortable with those I've been able to add in modifiers as well to keep things within easy reach as I'm not well coordinated so having to move my fingers any distance and still hit the right key is probably a no-go. For my priest I have several spells on the same easy to reach key, for example 4 is Shadow Word: Pain (no mod), Devouring Plague (ctrl) and Shadow Word: Death (alt). I'd like to learn to have more keybindings though, but I think it's a slow process to learn as you get used to where things are bound to, in my opinion a worthwhile one though.

As far as I know whisper casting was removed quite a while ago, I'm not sure if you can use it for emotes (addons that can parrot chat might be able to have this functionality), but I'd imagine anything which lets you use this to cast spells is going to be against the TOS.

[valle2000]

I use clicking only and I love it. I know keys are needed if top priority is effectiveness, but I personally don’t care about that. (I also have a muscular weakness which makes my left arm more or less useless).

That is why I started with box-play, I want to be able to play the game the way I like it and with two chars I can do more. Grouping with others always result in them complaining about me not being efficient enough and that makes the fun go away. I get enough stress IRL so I want to be able to relax and have fun while playing.

[zanthor]

Innerspace & ISBoxer can do this - and has the easiest setup for this functionality I've ever seen. Check out the link in my signature for details.

[Ualaa]

In the end, the game is about having fun.
If clicking is more fun, then that's is definitely the way to go.

Having read through Zanthor's thread there, I'd recommend looking at IS.

[valle2000]

I first tried Innerspace, but it keept saying game config couldn't be loaded. So I gave up and use HotkeyNet instead, it works great!

[Owltoid]

If you are interested in discussion regarding setting up "buttons" then look at the click-to-heal threads using HKN that were started a few months ago. I am certainly not a clicker, but using HKN in combination with Pitbull to maintain your party order, you can send click to heal broadcasts to your healer while mousing over the appropriate area on your tank.