@ 4 boxing shaman in Stormstrike BG 3/2/09 Late Evening - EoTS

[Farleito]

...not sure if this boxer is active on these forums, but how did it feel getting sapped.... over and over and over? =P

I was pvp'ing w/ my rogue the other night and I ran into a 4 boxing group of Shaman in Eye of the Storm. I made his life hell in that BG. I caught him transitioning between two towers. I sapped one of his followers so he had to wait until sap wore off. When it did, I sapped another....and so on... for a good 5 minutes. :evil:

I turned this BG into a 14 on 11. It happened to me when I was 3 boxing my shaman in EoTS. I've got to say, it was the most fun I've had in a long time. Distracting, sapping, blinding, gouging, etc... I don't think I'll be pvping w/ my shaman team anymore. I didn't know that ghostwolf was no longer immune to sap.

BTW, whoever you are, you were single-handedly destroying my entire team. Many qq's in /bg chat about you. Nice work... just wrong faction, which is why I had to sap the crap out of you =P

[Kicksome]

Not sure why he didn't just go ghostwolf.

[mrmcgee21]

Another reason why the rogue class is retarded. I get a laugh out of idiots doing what you seem to enjoy, have fun sitting there sapping 1 char while I run off my on my 3 and continue raping your team. I could careless if a rogue does this to me, because it means he is wasting his time, and 1 of my alts .. thats an eye for an eye buddy so your really not helping your team. The fact the boxxer in question was just sitting there waiting with his entire team was his mistake I guess, but I get pretty irritated at people who refuse to pvp and just do lame pranks like this to get their jollies off. Either way, if somone saps a char of mine I immediately spread out and drop magma's if I do not get him I just run off on my other 3 and continue doing what I was doing before. If he is stupid enough to actually attack the one I left behind, I'll return and kill him and then go back to what I was doing. Either way he is either sitting there wasting his time or he is going to die if he actually gets ballzy enough to attack the stranded shammie.

[Farleito]

Either way he is either sitting there wasting his time or he is going to die if he actually gets ballzy enough to attack the stranded shammie.

attack the stranded shammie

stranded shammie

If he's a stranded shammie, that means you have already left. I'm pretty sure I can solo a (semi-afk) shaman. If you think you can kill me when I attack, then that means you haven't actually left him yet. If you haven't left him, that means you're sitting there watching the sapped guy, while I go sap another one of yours. You can't kill something that's not in range, and not in sight. Improved sap has an insane range. I can get a sap off on a paladin who has casted consecrate, or a DK w/ their AoE. Even if you out-smart a rogue and catch him w/ a magma or nova totem, cloak of shadows + vanish = poof, gone. BRB.

If you choose to leave one behind, he will die. You will need to run back to "pick him up" or focus on that single character to run him back. Running him back means your other 3 are doing nothing. The more time you spend running around chasing your freshly res'd toons, the less time you spend killing/capping. Your 4 toons are neutralized.


I get pretty irritated at people who refuse to pvp
By pvp, you mean Player vs Players, right? or did you mean Player vs Player?

Hey, the battlegrounds are not about killing. It's about neutralizing your opponent and capping. That's why they introduced CC abilities. In WSG, chain sapping the rushing zerg has a huge impact. They all dismount and try to find that annoying rogue pulling the "lame pranks". That's 3-4 people not defending their flag carrier or attacking ours...all because of 1 "retarded" rogue. In AB, chain sapping an opponent while a friendly caps a base, gets the base. In EoTS, randomly sapping people at an opponent controlled base will cause them to call for backup to that 1 base, delaying an attack on one of our bases. Sapping a multiboxer disables "multiple people". It creates an imbalance. Not only that, but sapping somebody over and over makes them VERY angry. They will focus on revenge and not on teamwork. Dude, trust me... when I was boxing, I hated rogues. I thought they were the biggest piece of shit class in the game. That's why I rolled one.


Not sure why he didn't just go ghostwolf.
Sadly, ghostwolf is no longer immune to sap.

[mrmcgee21]

I can minipulate 1 char in the proper direction to regroup with me, be it after your sap wears off or after he rezz's in a gy, yes sometimes I run so far away that I cannot get back to him before the rogue kills him. I am still quiet capable of seeing my stranded shaman in my peripheral vision, no it does not take that much concenstration to see his hp dip, realize the rogue has attacked, drop nova totem, wait 4 sec, thunderstorm, tab over hit GW/trinket and hit auto run in the proper direction(yes I realize you have a million abilities to counter this, still some rogues will fail), I can do all of that inbetween cast's of spells on my main screen as I can swap instantly from char to another. My definition of PvP isnt being a jackass hiding in stealth refusing to fight, and simply running away anytime somone actually does manage to unstealth you. Your just support the fact that rogues are a rediculous class by your claims of how easily you can chain sap harass anyone, not a just a multiboxer. Gratz on playing the biggest dickhead class like the biggest dickhead player good work.



The amount of bullshit rogues have to literally just grief other players is outragous even if they are so bad that the cannot win a 1v1 battle they can still just ruin your night by following you around sapping and no amount of firepower can really effectively stop them. Another reason why open pvp in this game is stupid because a single rogue will ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS win its just a matter of how much time they feel like wasting griefing you, if you are a single player. Multiboxer's will probably eventually luck up and unstealth him and scare him off ( no you cannot kill him if he is descent he will just pop another bullshit cd and run away ). No I do not appreciate you coming here and bragging about how you were so awsome at being a prick rogue, and I doubt you'll find anyone to pat you on the back. Not saying all rogues are pricks but they are given the tool's to be nothing but griefer's with no reprocussions and this guy is just bragging about that I guess.

Gratz you did to a multiboxer what you can do to every other player in the game, yes your a dick, no sapping people over and over again is not PvP, thats just being a dickhead.

[Farleito]

Welcome to the thread that I created to contact the person that I ran into. Nobody asked you to reply. GTFO. I simply posted the event for those who would have replied with "...I think that was me? what happened?"


My definition of PvP isnt being a jackass hiding in stealth refusing to fight, and simply running away anytime somone actually does manage to unstealth you.
Yeah, I know. You made it clear that your definition of PvP is 4 vs 1. Taking away the stealth ability of a rogue is like taking fear away from warlocks, or tremor/grounding totems from a Shaman. The Rogues become another Warrior class and the Lock/Shaman because another Mage. It's what makes the game interesting. I'll agree, rogue class is dirty but they get dumped on by DK's, Warriors, Paladins and really good Hunters and Mages. If they don't get the jump on somebody, they're a worthless class.

I hope you're not trying to imply that I can't PvP 1 on 1...cause that would be pretty hypocritical. If you don't think winning a battleground is about strategy, then you know nothing about battlegrounds. You seem like you only know one strategy...become powerful and invulnerable. I have a strategy to counter this - sap the shit out of you, distract you and break you apart one at a time. Yup, I'm a dickhead because I won't reveal myself so you can kill me. Well, mostly because the longer I stay alive, the more I can keep killing you. I'm sure you understand. Don't like it? Roll a rogue.

Do you know why baseball players taunt the batter by saying "hey, batter batter"? It's not because they're too far to sap him. They want to frustrate the batter so he screws up. I apply this same logic in the battlegrounds and the arena. When you get angry/frustrated, you will make a stupid mistake. I will take advantage of this. I only wish I was your battlegroup so I could do it to you.

[mrmcgee21]

I'm not real sure what your expecting to find out of this post, your basically coming onto a dualboxing site and bragginga bout 1v4'n a dual boxer not by killing him, but by chain sapping him like a douche bag. Gratz? is that what you want? I'm sure they guy you sapped is going to really really want to talk to you and all ....

Once again, thanks for pointing out rogues can blindly sap whoever they feel like with no reprocussions, everyone knows its OP, everyone who doesn't play a rogue hates it btw. Now you know.

[blast3r]

Our forum seems to slowly be turning into forums.worldofwarcraft.com.

[5fingersofdoom]

I was quietly levlling in Northrend,when in flies 2 skull Rogues and continue to do this very thing to my lvl 70s for about an Hour,for no reason other than to spam their silly fan of knives.
Rogues seem to attract the most retards of any class from what I can see.
What the OP has done isn't skillful or clever,its just stupid,although its funny when I play my DK's and they try this and dissapear they get kerb stomped.
To the OP really poor form waving your EPeen around on this subject especially on a MB forum.

[Dominian]

...not sure if this boxer is active on these forums, but how did it feel getting sapped.... over and over and over? =P

I was pvp'ing w/ my rogue the other night and I ran into a 4 boxing group of Shaman in Eye of the Storm. I made his life hell in that BG. I caught him transitioning between two towers. I sapped one of his followers so he had to wait until sap wore off. When it did, I sapped another....and so on... for a good 5 minutes. :evil:

I turned this BG into a 14 on 11. It happened to me when I was 3 boxing my shaman in EoTS. I've got to say, it was the most fun I've had in a long time. Distracting, sapping, blinding, gouging, etc... I don't think I'll be pvping w/ my shaman team anymore. I didn't know that ghostwolf was no longer immune to sap.

BTW, whoever you are, you were single-handedly destroying my entire team. Many qq's in /bg chat about you. Nice work... just wrong faction, which is why I had to sap the crap out of you =P

Grats on getting the lowest amount of honor in that battleground.Who cares about winning or losing battlegrounds? It doesnt bring the best honor anymore..

I always run around farming kills since it brings FAR better honor then staying and defending.

1. If i zerg,zerg,zerg i usualy get the highest honor or 100 lower then the highest on alliance if we lose.
2. Now if we WIN i get way way more then anyone else.

Aka farming hks is the best profit no matter how you put it.

Maybe apart from AV but i havent done that in ages! :)

[Chorizotarian]

When I BG winning is the only thing I care about. In the long run your going to get honor at pretty much the same rate regardless of how a particular game goes. For me the fun is figuring out what strategy in a particular game is going to make my team win, even though its usually a disorganized PUG. One rogue tying up 4 chars sounds like an awesome strategy to me. I'm sure the boxer will figure out a counter eventually.

[Zappy]

I've had several rogues do this to me in battlegrounds while I watch them emote laugh at me and it used to drive me nuts. What I realized with the rogue mentality was that they either want you to leave one of them stranded so they can get a free kill, or they'll just keep sapping different members to be annoying. The fact is, the rogue can't sit by idle and let one of your guys not be sapped for any amount of time as it's way too much fun for him to know that he's being annoying. With that in mind, keep a close watch on the sap timer on whichever one is sapped and right before it expires, cast thunderstorm. I seem to knock them out of stealth 9 times out of 10. I make sure to put up flameshocks on him so that he wastes his cloak and it'll put all your guys in combat. After he's knocked back, I continue heading wherever I was, but this time staggering 5 earthbind totems along with a magma totem or two then switching to ghostwolf all before I'm back out of combat. Rarely ever do they attempt to follow, and even if they do, I'll be my destination by then and am usually back in combat with someone else by then. Most rogues will usually start fighting now as the battle is a little more even, but if you drop magmas to start, he'll be without his cloak and enjoy a swift death. When the TS doesn't work, I'll just switch to ghost wolf and leave the one stranded and as I start to get out of range, they'll start attacking him, so I'll turn around and start healing him following up with flame shocks, then repeat the sequence of earthbinds / magma totems.

The 2nd way I've dealt with them is a little more fun, but also takes a bit of luck as my main is an engineer is to toss a big stun grenade behind my group. I've only done this 3 times, but every time I've been able to predict where a rogue would hide to sap.

[magwo]

I've had several rogues do this to me in battlegrounds while I watch them emote laugh at me and it used to drive me nuts. What I realized with the rogue mentality was that they either want you to leave one of them stranded so they can get a free kill, or they'll just keep sapping different members to be annoying. The fact is, the rogue can't sit by idle and let one of your guys not be sapped for any amount of time as it's way too much fun for him to know that he's being annoying. With that in mind, keep a close watch on the sap timer on whichever one is sapped and right before it expires, cast thunderstorm. I seem to knock them out of stealth 9 times out of 10. I make sure to put up flameshocks on him so that he wastes his cloak and it'll put all your guys in combat. After he's knocked back, I continue heading wherever I was, but this time staggering 5 earthbind totems along with a magma totem or two then switching to ghostwolf all before I'm back out of combat. Rarely ever do they attempt to follow, and even if they do, I'll be my destination by then and am usually back in combat with someone else by then. Most rogues will usually start fighting now as the battle is a little more even, but if you drop magmas to start, he'll be without his cloak and enjoy a swift death. When the TS doesn't work, I'll just switch to ghost wolf and leave the one stranded and as I start to get out of range, they'll start attacking him, so I'll turn around and start healing him following up with flame shocks, then repeat the sequence of earthbinds / magma totems.

The 2nd way I've dealt with them is a little more fun, but also takes a bit of luck as my main is an engineer is to toss a big stun grenade behind my group. I've only done this 3 times, but every time I've been able to predict where a rogue would hide to sap.

Yep.

[Farleito]

I've had several rogues do this to me in battlegrounds while I watch them emote laugh at me and it used to drive me nuts. What I realized with the rogue mentality was that they either want you to leave one of them stranded so they can get a free kill, or they'll just keep sapping different members to be annoying. The fact is, the rogue can't sit by idle and let one of your guys not be sapped for any amount of time as it's way too much fun for him to know that he's being annoying.

Hey.. slow down a second. I think you guys have got the wrong idea... I don't sit there and emote laugh at people. You must have missed the part where I said this is a strategy, not a form of harrassment. In real life, the police use bean-bag ammunition and tasers. Victories don't always come from killing people. It's about disabling and controlling them. I brought my experience to these forums to stir up some conversation (with the boxer I ran into) about this weakness and play devils advocate to improve on how it can be countered. I assure you that I personally don't do this to be annoying. I would willingly sacrifice my HK's and honor gained so that my team (usually premades) can get more. The more games I win, the faster I can get the battlemaster title. Getting little honor means nothing when you're honor capped.


With that in mind, keep a close watch on the sap timer on whichever one is sapped and right before it expires, cast thunderstorm. I seem to knock them out of stealth 9 times out of 10. I make sure to put up flameshocks on him so that he wastes his cloak and it'll put all your guys in combat. After he's knocked back, I continue heading wherever I was, but this time staggering 5 earthbind totems along with a magma totem or two then switching to ghostwolf all before I'm back out of combat. Rarely ever do they attempt to follow, and even if they do, I'll be my destination by then and am usually back in combat with someone else by then. Most rogues will usually start fighting now as the battle is a little more even, but if you drop magmas to start, he'll be without his cloak and enjoy a swift death. When the TS doesn't work, I'll just switch to ghost wolf and leave the one stranded and as I start to get out of range, they'll start attacking him, so I'll turn around and start healing him following up with flame shocks, then repeat the sequence of earthbinds / magma totems.

The 2nd way I've dealt with them is a little more fun, but also takes a bit of luck as my main is an engineer is to toss a big stun grenade behind my group. I've only done this 3 times, but every time I've been able to predict where a rogue would hide to sap.

THAT'S what I'm looking for. I quit PvP-Boxing because I felt that this was an ultimate weakness that I could not avoid. Before, I would just ghostwolf and leave. Since it's changed, I rolled a rogue to figure out their weaknesses. Because of it, I now know where rogues will sap from, the path they take when they approach you and where they will go if they need to get away. My run-in with another boxer has finally come up and I wanted to discuss it. So far, I've been called a dickhead, moron, idiot and douche bag.

Tossing the stun grenades behind your group seems to pull them out for long enough to get a good shot at the rogue. That's a good thought. You call it luck if you hit them w/ the grenade, but if you've played a rogue, you would know exactly where to throw it. When I sap somebody, I'm not going to stick around to get hit w/ an AoE. If I'm running at you, and stealth after you target me... I'm not going to run straight up to you. I have NEVER seen any other rogues do this either. You would be amazed if you knew how many mages/locks/hunters cast blizzard,hellfire,flare,etc right in front of themselves thinking they'll pull this rogue out of stealth. A rogue will walk around you to get behind you. Mainly because they can only be detected from the front. If you are sapped, there is a really good chance that it came from behind. Half of the opening moves require the rogue to be behind you. That narrows it down to 180 degrees. Since walking backwards is a lot slower than forward or to the sides, they will walk away from you at a 45 degree. That means you have a 50/50 chance to throw your grenade at the right spot. 60 degrees behind your on your right, or on your left.

If you happen to catch the rogue and get a couple of good shots off, when they CoS and vanish, expect that they will find a hidden place to bandage/eat. Usually, this place will be behind something to prevent you from actually seeing them. Go look behind large rocks, hills or buildings.

Every rogue, at least experienced level 80 rogues, play like this. If I'm in a BG w/ another rogue and we're double-teaming people, we find ourselves in the same places all the time. We run away to the same place and we open up in the same fashion. I kill more rogues and die by more rogues than any other class. It's because we know where to look for each other and how to pull the other rogue out of stealth. If I've hurt a rogue pretty good and they vanish, I know that they're going to go eat and stealth. I know where that place is because it's usually where I would go to do the same.

If your plan is to simply get away, he will follow you. If you can easily catch him and kill him, you'll never see from him again. I'm still looking for a flawless plan to catch a rogue on my shaman team. It's this exact logic why you don't see rogues attacking paladins and DK's. If it's not easy, they're going to move along.

[Zappy]

I have played a rogue. As a matter of fact, he still has almost as much time total as all 5 of my shamans do combined. :)

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Hakkar&n=Jesse

I quit playing during Season 4 after a friend showed me the fun that multiboxers have.

I also carry both the engineering epic helm and the Catseye Ultra Goggles in my bags on my main shaman for that rare time when TS doesn't get them.

[Dominian]

I've had several rogues do this to me in battlegrounds while I watch them emote laugh at me and it used to drive me nuts. What I realized with the rogue mentality was that they either want you to leave one of them stranded so they can get a free kill, or they'll just keep sapping different members to be annoying. The fact is, the rogue can't sit by idle and let one of your guys not be sapped for any amount of time as it's way too much fun for him to know that he's being annoying.

Hey.. slow down a second. I think you guys have got the wrong idea... I don't sit there and emote laugh at people. You must have missed the part where I said this is a strategy, not a form of harrassment. In real life, the police use bean-bag ammunition and tasers. Victories don't always come from killing people. It's about disabling and controlling them. I brought my experience to these forums to stir up some conversation (with the boxer I ran into) about this weakness and play devils advocate to improve on how it can be countered. I assure you that I personally don't do this to be annoying. I would willingly sacrifice my HK's and honor gained so that my team (usually premades) can get more. The more games I win, the faster I can get the battlemaster title. Getting little honor means nothing when you're honor capped.


With that in mind, keep a close watch on the sap timer on whichever one is sapped and right before it expires, cast thunderstorm. I seem to knock them out of stealth 9 times out of 10. I make sure to put up flameshocks on him so that he wastes his cloak and it'll put all your guys in combat. After he's knocked back, I continue heading wherever I was, but this time staggering 5 earthbind totems along with a magma totem or two then switching to ghostwolf all before I'm back out of combat. Rarely ever do they attempt to follow, and even if they do, I'll be my destination by then and am usually back in combat with someone else by then. Most rogues will usually start fighting now as the battle is a little more even, but if you drop magmas to start, he'll be without his cloak and enjoy a swift death. When the TS doesn't work, I'll just switch to ghost wolf and leave the one stranded and as I start to get out of range, they'll start attacking him, so I'll turn around and start healing him following up with flame shocks, then repeat the sequence of earthbinds / magma totems.

The 2nd way I've dealt with them is a little more fun, but also takes a bit of luck as my main is an engineer is to toss a big stun grenade behind my group. I've only done this 3 times, but every time I've been able to predict where a rogue would hide to sap.

THAT'S what I'm looking for. I quit PvP-Boxing because I felt that this was an ultimate weakness that I could not avoid. Before, I would just ghostwolf and leave. Since it's changed, I rolled a rogue to figure out their weaknesses. Because of it, I now know where rogues will sap from, the path they take when they approach you and where they will go if they need to get away. My run-in with another boxer has finally come up and I wanted to discuss it. So far, I've been called a dickhead, moron, idiot and douche bag.

Tossing the stun grenades behind your group seems to pull them out for long enough to get a good shot at the rogue. That's a good thought. You call it luck if you hit them w/ the grenade, but if you've played a rogue, you would know exactly where to throw it. When I sap somebody, I'm not going to stick around to get hit w/ an AoE. If I'm running at you, and stealth after you target me... I'm not going to run straight up to you. I have NEVER seen any other rogues do this either. You would be amazed if you knew how many mages/locks/hunters cast blizzard,hellfire,flare,etc right in front of themselves thinking they'll pull this rogue out of stealth. A rogue will walk around you to get behind you. Mainly because they can only be detected from the front. If you are sapped, there is a really good chance that it came from behind. Half of the opening moves require the rogue to be behind you. That narrows it down to 180 degrees. Since walking backwards is a lot slower than forward or to the sides, they will walk away from you at a 45 degree. That means you have a 50/50 chance to throw your grenade at the right spot. 60 degrees behind your on your right, or on your left.

If you happen to catch the rogue and get a couple of good shots off, when they CoS and vanish, expect that they will find a hidden place to bandage/eat. Usually, this place will be behind something to prevent you from actually seeing them. Go look behind large rocks, hills or buildings.

Every rogue, at least experienced level 80 rogues, play like this. If I'm in a BG w/ another rogue and we're double-teaming people, we find ourselves in the same places all the time. We run away to the same place and we open up in the same fashion. I kill more rogues and die by more rogues than any other class. It's because we know where to look for each other and how to pull the other rogue out of stealth. If I've hurt a rogue pretty good and they vanish, I know that they're going to go eat and stealth. I know where that place is because it's usually where I would go to do the same.

If your plan is to simply get away, he will follow you. If you can easily catch him and kill him, you'll never see from him again. I'm still looking for a flawless plan to catch a rogue on my shaman team. It's this exact logic why you don't see rogues attacking paladins and DK's. If it's not easy, they're going to move along.

I hope you didnt need to roll a rogue to find a boxed shaman teams weakness when you already played one.

If you run with a premade you should steam right over pugs, multiboxers included and win every match with 4 bases and the flag. If your not winning like this your either a horrible team or facing other premades.

What makes multiboxers dominating certain bgs is the total lack of teamplay in pugs, against a premade the boxer is worse then 4 seperate chars since he can be countered easy by a half decent premade.

[Gomotron]

I was doing an arena and was facing 2 rogues (either they were going for more points doing 5v5, or their teammates had lag issues and D/C'd prior to joining).

Anyways, I killed one of them and then the other started doing the sap thing on me. I kept dropping magma totems but never could get a good shot at him. I'd also do the Thunderstorm trick and although I would get him down to 25%, he'd invis and then I'd lose track of him. I tried using the see stealth object in the arena (took a while to figure that one out) but it would never last long enough for me to get a clean shot at him.

Finally, I put the main's (DK) pet on full aggro and just waited for him to attack again. Once he sapped, the pet was on him and I got a DoT on him before he could re-invis and then LB'd his butt down.

I guess he was just trying to get me to lose the match with him by waiting for the 45 minute timer to expire?

[Farleito]

I hope you didnt need to roll a rogue to find a boxed shaman teams weakness when you already played one.
You've got it backwards. I rolled a rogue to find a weakness in the rogue class. It becomes much easier to kill a class when you know how they're played. When you've become very good at playing a class, only a very skilled oponent can take you out. It allows me to learn what other people do to defeat me. Once I learn these tactics, I can apply them. Yes, I have one of every class (except warlocks and druids).

[Souca]

So far, I've been called a dickhead, moron, idiot and douche bag.
I think a lot of this has to do with the way the post was phrased in the beginning. While you may have said what you meant to say, the tone was confrontational and people responded to it. Not saying they were right or you were wrong, but just pointing it out. I read this thread completely through and until your last post I had a hard time giving you the benefit of the doubt. At times I struggle to not come across the wrong way so I just wanted to share this.

- Souca -

[Nekohs]

...not sure if this boxer is active on these forums, but how did it feel getting sapped.... over and over and over? =P

I was pvp'ing w/ my rogue the other night and I ran into a 4 boxing group of Shaman in Eye of the Storm. I made his life hell in that BG. I caught him transitioning between two towers. I sapped one of his followers so he had to wait until sap wore off. When it did, I sapped another....and so on... for a good 5 minutes. :evil:

I turned this BG into a 14 on 11. It happened to me when I was 3 boxing my shaman in EoTS. I've got to say, it was the most fun I've had in a long time. Distracting, sapping, blinding, gouging, etc... I don't think I'll be pvping w/ my shaman team anymore. I didn't know that ghostwolf was no longer immune to sap.

BTW, whoever you are, you were single-handedly destroying my entire team. Many qq's in /bg chat about you. Nice work... just wrong faction, which is why I had to sap the crap out of you =PThat was me. You saved that BG because everyone else was terribad. I skipped on Strand cause I thought I was gonna win that one. This is also the game I found out that rogues can sap ghostwolf. At first I didn't realize what was happpening and then when I figured out I could be sapped in ghostwolf I just kinda sat there dumbstruck. Believe me there was a river of QQQQQQQQ.

On another note, why do ally not queue for AV in that Battlegroup? I'm a recent transfer to that server. There's hardly 1 AV going, even during AV holiday. Makes me sad because that's my favorite bg. Takes 45min to an hour or more to get into AV and then there's only like 10 allys in it AND to top it off horde almost never wait for all the towers to burn before killling Vandar. I have to spam Raid Warning to get people to listen and that works like half the time. Really the Stormstrike battlegroup is a lot more frustrating than what you did to my team. :(

[pinotnoir]

Not sure why he didn't just go ghostwolf.

Not sure if someone said it already... You can now be sapped in ghost wolf. GG Blizzard. Another way to stick it to elementals in pvp.

[Vyndree]

another note, why do ally not queue for AV in that Battlegroup?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIPcF9SZ6WI

Stormstrike has a long history ('http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/02/08/the-av-map-imbalance-in-patch-2-3-a-different-perspective/') with AV.

In those battlegroups where the Alliance no longer signs up for Alterac Valley, and the Horde win 100% of the time, they are relishing in the ease with which they can set up their own northward attack and destroy the Alliance offense in just a few important battles near the beginning of each match. The Alliance decides not to play a hopeless game, and the Horde has to wait an hour or two in the queue for each guaranteed win.

Horde who shut out the Alliance completely may feel very happy with themselves -- perhaps even justifiably so in some cases -- but they're doing themselves a disservice in the long run. Losers who gain nothing from a battle don't come back to lose over and over again, no matter how much they love the game.

However, to put it very simply -- it's faster (particularly when you look at the BG mark turnin not requiring AV marks) to gain honor in the other 4 battlegrounds than it does with AV. For stormstrike in particular, I find that the alliance win/loss ratio (whether multiboxing or not) is best in EotS, followed by AB. Our worst battleground is WSG, and we break about even in Strand.

[mrmcgee21]

Uhm, horde have always lost AV in my Bg, it was my understanding FWK is MUCH easier to penatrate than DB, I mean, you have a 50yard long bridge that is a 1 way access point in plane view of your towers, we have a massive wall that can be hurtled at many points not to mention our own base blocks our tower archer's views making it amazingly easy to simply run past any would be defender and cap our RH. I guess it goes either way across different bg's but yes, cyclone BG .. horde loses almost everytime, I think I have like an 85% win rate but .. a 5 boxer on D goes a long ways. Infact I can't even do AV anymore because plenty of times in the day theres simply no horde willing to queue so its like 10v40 blow outs.

[Tizer]

A little harsh on Farleito i think mrmcgee, going by your first few posts in this thread.

I have to admit, rogues sapping me in BGs is a real pet hate, it annoys the shit out of me. But at the same time, im pretty sure i annoy more people by putting 5 x lightning bolts up their ass....if his single boxing tactic screws you over, i see no reason why you should get on your high horse about it "not being pvp". :> Spread some love <3

[mrmcgee21]

I just have a special kind of hate for the rogue class =).

[Vyndree]

Uhm, horde have always lost AV in my Bg, it was my understanding FWK is MUCH easier to penatrate than DB, I mean, you have a 50yard long bridge that is a 1 way access point in plane view of your towers, we have a massive wall that can be hurtled at many points not to mention our own base blocks our tower archer's views making it amazingly easy to simply run past any would be defender and cap our RH. I guess it goes either way across different bg's but yes, cyclone BG .. horde loses almost everytime, I think I have like an 85% win rate but .. a 5 boxer on D goes a long ways. Infact I can't even do AV anymore because plenty of times in the day theres simply no horde willing to queue so its like 10v40 blow outs.

On stormstrike, the PuG horde will go back and recap towers and prevent people from "just running through" and reaching frostwolf. In your example "a multiboxer on D goes a long way" -- but if the horde is naturally defensive, then they're already covering that.

Basically, in stormstrike you have to leave folks guarding every tower you're capping and go bit by bit. The reason for the distaste for AV post-reinforcements was that horde could (at that time) take one of our towers and defend that point long enough to cap it, while preventing anyone from getting past the IBGY choke. This resulted in a guaranteed loss that resulted in 0 honor... so, naturally, alliance stopped queueing for an hour-long, 0-honor BG and started queueing for more productive BGs.

In general, thanks to a D-heavy strategy on both sides now, stormstrike AVs are long and extended reinforcement battles. So it's simply easier to farm honor in the faster BGs.

[Kayley]

<3 op.

Silly rogues.

[Nmagrig]

My hats off to you sir rogue. I personally hate rogues but I dont see what you did as being wrong or unskillful as other people put it. Its combat. The object is to neutralize your enemy in the best way you can. So if you take the 4 shamans out of combat while removing yourself from combat, you have helped your side tremendously. Personally, I detest the annoying factor of rogues....but its par for the course.

And cool beans to you sir shaman boxer that said that was me :D. I know I myself do it as well. And as a side note, I was doing a semi premade eots with 5 friends and we ran into Aelli. Unfortunately, Aelli choose this footage for his new video which shows our utter destruction :(. But I still have my memory of kililng your squad with my squad in AV pre Wotlk and then you chasing me to the Dun and knocking me off the bridge :(

[Zerocool2024]

I run into this from time to time on all my boxing teams.

Only teams I can in BG's.
(Shamans)
(Priests)
(Warlocks)
(Druids)
(Mages)
(Death Knights)
(Hunter)

I've always had a Rogue or two come and Sap my toons. I of course get annoyed just like anyone else.
Name of the game?
No, not really. A class that can control someone else from a distance, boxing or not, is not cool at all. And by control, I mean, stopping them from doing anything for a good amount of time. How do I know?, because I'm a Rogue at heart. I started with a Rogue. I would Stunlock all classes to death before they could do anything. Was it Fair? Hell fucking no, but if they caught me off guard with CDs on a timer, I'm phuked. But now and days, Rogues can get out of, stop, control ANYTHING as long as they know what they are doing.

This arguement/joint conversataion/friendly conversataion/non-friendly conversataion is a never ending theme.
IE, I think this class is OP because they killed me... Or because this class did this to me. It's never going to stop.
This goes back to way before the boxing scene came about (or rather, Popular), when Rogues could take on any class while NAKED and control the whole fight from start to finish.

What do I do to stop it? Nothing special.
All classes have a way of flagging them out.

My hunters go on Pet agresive, pop see Invis, Trap the hell out of the place, and keep my toons running around the sapped in hopes of getting luck.

Shamans, Keep dropping totems and TS in hopes to find him.

DK's, random AOE drop down and running around.

Warlocks, pet agresive, Rain of Fire anyone?

Mages, go invis, Blizzard, Nova, and running around?

Druids? Feral, kitty form anyone?

Priests, ohm, not much chance other than AOE SS.

It's going to happen, but it's not 100% flawless.