WoW 3.1 Multibox love :) Looting on all clients

[devilsome]

with 3.1 its now possible to "interact with target" bind to a key, so target dead mob, hit "interact with target" key -> looting :>

[ragawaga]

Hmmm....so is it actually confirmed that this allows the slaves to loot?

[jinx08]

Sorry to hijack the post, but will they ever make collection quests lootable for all people in the party? I know certain quests allow this but it would it not make sense for Blizzard to make the collection drops drop for everyone?
With RAF Blizzard's plan is that you are grouped with your FRIEND! Do they think you will just ungroup with said 'friend' when you hit 60? ?(

[Kel]

<3 if this does work for slaves, though getting them in range might take a little work.

[shaeman]

Just run a bit further on, on the mob to be looted and you basically can stop your slaves on top of the mob.

I used to do this for manual looting - will be great if this actually allows them all to attempt to loot.

[Tonyx]

This is indeed a great news!
Someone at Blizzard must be multiboxing!

[Kekkis]

with 3.1 its now possible to "interact with target" bind to a key, so target dead mob, hit "interact with target" key -> looting :>I must be blind, but I can't find confirmation for this at any official forums/posts.

[HPB]

<3 if this does work for slaves, though getting them in range might take a little work.

I don't think it should be too big of a deal. The Skinning/Herbing macros that many folks use don't cause too many positional problems. If your alt isn't skinning, take a step farther to drag your alt ontop of the corpse. It would be fantastic if they actually did this. You could load up your alt with 22 slot bags and make them loot all the crap (except when your main needs to loot for their collection quest). You could make Separate macros for each of your alts to loot - just watch the Quest Tracker numbers roll in :)

[ragawaga]

Now if they could do something for the collection quests where you have to pick up soemthing off the ground, we'd be sorted! :thumbsup:

[Frojax]

This is great news indeed. Somewhere in the world, a little kitten dies whenever I skip a collection quest :(

Save the kittens!

[Redbeard]

Wow this is pretty amazing if accurate.

Did anyone post the source yet ( I didnt see it in the thread )?

Thanks.

[devilsome]

just download ptr client, go into keybinds (which are almost totally reworked) and you'll find it in section targeting. i thought it was obvius how to loot on slaves. just assist the main while he is targetting the dead mob and hit interact with target button. another cool thing is if you have "click-to-move" on your toon will run to loot if they are not in range.
i added screenshot from ptr. i think there are so much more opportunities ist those two keybindings looting is just one of them.

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/4165/interact.jpg

[Tonyx]

Does it work also to open chat with npc? That would be great for quests!

[devilsome]

yes, what it does is simply doing a right mouseklick on that target

[Redbeard]

Wow thats amazing.

Three biggest hassles for boxing are looting on slaves, quests on slaves and follow.

Great add ons like jamba simplify the movement thing. This will be an amazing change for us if it goes live.

[Vyndree]

Great news!

I'm a heavy user of click-to-move on my alts to help assist me when they are just a smidge too far away from the mob to loot. This will greatly simplify how much I need to use my mouse on my alts' screens.

[EaTCarbS]

this sounds awesome 8)

[keyclone]

:thumbsup:

[Natch]

Wohooo!

[Souca]

Maybe I'm just in a weird mood, but this worries me. While I'd love to see this make it to live and stick around, I worry that this will be a case of making things easier for legitimate uses that opens a whole for less than legitimate uses eventually resulting in a tighter model. One of the primary limiting factors for preventing automated play and bots has been that looting and NPC interaction has always required a mouse targeted click or keypress. Getting the screen location of the item, corpse or NPC is not doable through the normal channels so you couldn't just send a mouse location and loot. I hope I'm just a kook and this works out, but it just feels... weird.

While this is being compared to the skinning assist macro, has anyone ever asked about that? I know we "can do it", but I'll ask the question that I'm normally not the one to ask, "should we?".

- Souca's Evil Twin -

[algol]

Sweet.

BTW if this turns out to be a troll I'm going to shard your epix. :D

[Youngceo]

Ah man this patch is gonna be great.

Combined with jamba things like flying and repairing I wont even have to touch my slaves for anymore. I might even start doing some dailies again :P

[Toned]

Ah man this patch is gonna be great.

Combined with jamba things like flying and repairing I wont even have to touch my slaves for anymore. I might even start doing some dailies again :PClearly you need Innerspace.

Back on topic... the whole CLICK to move + loot button = HAPPY TIMES.

[Bigfish]

Interesting. Now the real question is: Can we target portals and resource nodes?

[Souca]

Interesting. Now the real question is: Can we target portals and resource nodes?Unless I can Death Grip them to me, it's not enough ;)

Edit: Oooh, speaking of gripping nodes, I wanna be able to root some of those quest givers. I may be the only person who reads the quests or looks at the rewards, but I can't stand when the NPC won't hold still long enough. Some of them are so jittery I am lucky to get all 5 windows open only to have them move. Drives me mad. Only thing worse is getting all followers open on the NPC to have some random run up dragging a mob that aggros the NPC or when they run up and start the event leaving you to wait it out.

- Souca -

[shaeman]

Can you target a lightwell?

when soloing on difficult fights I love it when a priest drops a lightwell and if they are real busy healing the tank you can grab some heals.

I'm not sure how much it will be needed but you could plant a lightwell at the feet of your dps before a boss fight and be able to have a macro to target the lightwell, click it then get back to dpsing.

May be useful in static fights perhaps.

[Duese]

In light of Blizzard's recent legal victory over an incredibly robust botting program (WoWGlider/MMOGlider), I think they are probably more inclined to release some of the lock downs they had previously on the game.

Sure, the botting programs had to jump through this hoop in order to be effective, but the bar wasn't set very high. The thing about a program is that it can be methodical. It basically puts the mouse over a standard looting area checks if the mouse changes, if it doesn't, it moves it to a different space, and so on until the mouse changes. None of that information is transmitted to blizzard, so it wasn't "detectable."

If anyone played FFXI and knew the botting programs (specifically fish-botting) and all the crap they did in that game to deter botting. Stuff like, the longer you are in the same zone fishing, the worse your catch rate becomes. The fishing guage that you had to move back and forth to "real the fish in". Most of this was just a hindrance to the real players. The botters had a new program updated and released within 24 hours that automatically zoned you out every hour and was better at catching the fish with the guage than a player could be.

Just because they can find a way doesn't mean that I think blizzard should just hand over everything they could ever want, but it does mean that no matter how hard they try, they will find a way.

[Souca]

In light of Blizzard's recent legal victory over an incredibly robust *EVIL* program (EVIL), I think they are probably more inclined to release some of the lock downs they had previously on the game.
This same thought occurred to me the other night. It may be that now that they have legal precedent they will deal with people/programs that take advantage of things in a legal manner instead of having to make things so difficult through API limitations.

- Souca -

[Bigfish]

So is anyone ON the PTR? I'd kind of like to know if portals and nodes are targetable.

[Souca]

In light of Blizzard's recent legal victory over an incredibly robust *EVIL* program (EVIL), I think they are probably more inclined to release some of the lock downs they had previously on the game.
This same thought occurred to me the other night. It may be that now that they have legal precedent they will deal with people/programs that take advantage of things in a legal manner instead of having to make things so difficult through API limitations.

- Souca -

They could - not saying they will - start individually sueing players who are caught botting for ruining the gaming experience of legit players.

Far fetched, but look at what the RIAA / MPAA has been doing for awhile now....Yea, but more likely they can just threaten to sue the people writing/distrbuting the addons/scripts. They already handle the players that bot; they ban them. Now that they can get a legal grip on people that write and distribute the tools to do it, I imagine that it will be much harder for people to cheat unless they roll their own. The problem isn't a couple software geeks that cheat on their own characters, its that they spread the tools to cheat. Stop the spread, ban the home grown botters and it will fall within the background noise.

- Souca -

[Bigfish]

The thing with the ruling on botting is that it stops people in an official capacity, so they can't publicly distribute the stuff, charge for it, etc. All it really means though is that bot programs move from download and paid licencsing to torrents, which cuts down on the little Johny Botters who can't figure the stuff out on their own, but doesn't stop the people who know where to lookor how to fiddle with it. Bottom line, I don't think Blizz wants to throw money at individuals to try and put a total end to botting.

Arguably, the case isn't so much about botting, but protecting the distributed program from interference and profitable exploitation by 3rd party programs. Not that I see it being that major a problem for anyone currently. It really just gives them a leg to stand on the next time someone tries to release Diablo 3 Trainer and sell it for loads of cash.

[Iceorbz]

In light of Blizzard's recent legal victory over an incredibly robust botting program (WoWGlider/MMOGlider), I think they are probably more inclined to release some of the lock downs they had previously on the game.

Sure, the botting programs had to jump through this hoop in order to be effective, but the bar wasn't set very high. The thing about a program is that it can be methodical. It basically puts the mouse over a standard looting area checks if the mouse changes, if it doesn't, it moves it to a different space, and so on until the mouse changes. None of that information is transmitted to blizzard, so it wasn't "detectable."

If anyone played FFXI and knew the botting programs (specifically fish-botting) and all the crap they did in that game to deter botting. Stuff like, the longer you are in the same zone fishing, the worse your catch rate becomes. The fishing guage that you had to move back and forth to "real the fish in". Most of this was just a hindrance to the real players. The botters had a new program updated and released within 24 hours that automatically zoned you out every hour and was better at catching the fish with the guage than a player could be.

Just because they can find a way doesn't mean that I think blizzard should just hand over everything they could ever want, but it does mean that no matter how hard they try, they will find a way. You have no idea of the crapstorm of repercussions that will follow their ruling if the 9th circuit courts do not overturn it. Bots hardly hurt wow in much of any aspect. Clearly one thing that most people dont remember, is what happened when napster was ordered to shutdown? HEllow limewire, morpheous, kazaa ect ect. It spawned more, people will not quit, they will pursue other venues, and there *wilL* be other venues. Why ? Because theres a market for it.

[Bigfish]

You have no idea of the crapstorm of repercussions that will follow their ruling if the 9th circuit courts do not overturn it. Bots hardly hurt wow in much of any aspect. Clearly one thing that most people dont remember, is what happened when napster was ordered to shutdown? HEllow limewire, morpheous, kazaa ect ect. It spawned more, people will not quit, they will pursue other venues, and there *wilL* be other venues. Why ? Because theres a market for it.

The existance of a market does not justify inaction in the face of illegality. There's a market for everything, right down to the most debased and inhuman things you can think of. It doesn't mean we shouldn't stop people from engaging in said activity because people have done it before and will do it again.

[Iceorbz]

The existance of a market does not justify inaction in the face of illegality. There's a market for everything, right down to the most debased and inhuman things you can think of. It doesn't mean we shouldn't stop people from engaging in said activity because people have done it before and will do it again. So how about fair use laws? And other cases that have ruled that disassembling a program and leaving a copy in ram to ensure compatabilitys ect (anti virus is a big one) is a LEGAL practice. How about Apple trying to sue for people jailbreaking a iphone? Lets say you bought a program and no longer need it, but you cant do anything with it ! Because it was a "leased" copy. I think your focus is just on wow, and not the overall legal issues that are already arising due to the mdy vs. blizzard case. It will be a scary day when a Terms of Use, is now plain law. What if microsoft said no more use of fire fox or its a violation of their operating systems terms of use ? Now by downloading and browsing your breaking your terms of use, violating DMC laws, and lost your windows copy! What is really illegal about botting (and this is NOT, a discussion about terms of use botting wow is wrong by their tems of use and will get you banned. ) im talking Crimnal law. How many people do you think have ever been put in jail for hacking their xbox, or using a game genie with their Nintendo... i mean come on seriously ?? is this what we are going to let our legal systems get to?

[Souca]

The existance of a market does not justify inaction in the face of illegality. There's a market for everything, right down to the most debased and inhuman things you can think of. It doesn't mean we shouldn't stop people from engaging in said activity because people have done it before and will do it again. So how about fair use laws? And other cases that have ruled that disassembling a program and leaving a copy in ram to ensure compatabilitys ect (anti virus is a big one) is a LEGAL practice. How about Apple trying to sue for people jailbreaking a iphone? Lets say you bought a program and no longer need it, but you cant do anything with it ! Because it was a "leased" copy. I think your focus is just on wow, and not the overall legal issues that are already arising due to the mdy vs. blizzard case. It will be a scary day when a Terms of Use, is now plain law. What if microsoft said no more use of fire fox or its a violation of their operating systems terms of use ? Now by downloading and browsing your breaking your terms of use, violating DMC laws, and lost your windows copy! What is really illegal about botting (and this is NOT, a discussion about terms of use botting wow is wrong by their tems of use and will get you banned. ) im talking Crimnal law. How many people do you think have ever been put in jail for hacking their xbox, or using a game genie with their Nintendo... i mean come on seriously ?? is this what we are going to let our legal systems get to?Fair use deals with copyright, this is about terms of use, i.e. a service.

This is hardly the first case that has implications in the software world, the concept of intellectual property and leased software. I don't think this is the beginning of the end. It may be a landmark on the slippery slope, but it isn't the beginning or the end.

This is not a matter for criminal law, so I'm not even sure why you mention it. This is civil liability.

Have you ever stopped to read a lease? For your apartment, or perhaps a home owners agreement? Blizzard is protecting the service they provide, not the game they sell/lease to you. They are establishing control over what you can do when you "rent" time on their systems. There plenty of things I can legally do that I am prohibited from doing by the lease I signed for my apartment, but I'm not calling the ALCU about it. The building owner has a right to protect their property. Blizzard has a right to protect it's service, including the marketability of said service.

If you want to discuss this and its legal ramifications, please refrain from using scare tactics and spreading false information.

- Souca -

[Iceorbz]

Fair use deals with copyright, this is about terms of use, i.e. a service.

This is hardly the first case that has implications in the software world, the concept of intellectual property and leased software. I don't think this is the beginning of the end. It may be a landmark on the slippery slope, but it isn't the beginning or the end.

This is not a matter for criminal law, so I'm not even sure why you mention it. This is civil liability.

Have you ever stopped to read a lease? For your apartment, or perhaps a home owners agreement? Blizzard is protecting the service they provide, not the game they sell/lease to you. They are establishing control over what you can do when you "rent" time on their systems. There plenty of things I can legally do that I am prohibited from doing by the lease I signed for my apartment, but I'm not calling the ALCU about it. The building owner has a right to protect their property. Blizzard has a right to protect it's service, including the marketability of said service.

If you want to discuss this and its legal ramifications, please refrain from using scare tactics and spreading false information.

- Souca -2 of the 3 Counts of the docket on this case are Copyright and DMCA circumvention, as well as the tort. interference
Not sure why you bring up only civil action, DMCA Violations can bear criminal penalties. Scare tactics, hardly! Apple has already filed documents to push jailbreaking of iphones to constitute a violation of DMCA. Were talking about hundreds of thousands of people that have done this does it mean we should send them all to jail for putting apps apple doesn't want on a phone *you* purchased? How about video recordings of the game, is youtube filled with illegal copies of a game just because its ok'ed with a companies owner? What if a user didn't agree to the terms of use and kept the software? Now where do we fall, is it the type of sale? Was it really a lease? What if the party purchasing was under the contractual age?

To answer your question, yes I have read a lease, in fact I'm a homeowner as well as a land-lord. If my tenant breaks contract, I can't send him to jail instantly. I have the option of evicting and taking him to court to sue, but other then that he did nothing criminal. Picking and choosing what tenants I interact with or lease to is however not up to me, legally. I'd have to have a heck of a good reason to deny someones application. Apply this to software usage, you have to have a really good reason why a program can't be taken apart to ensure compatibility.

Copyright law was not enacted so that companies can construct well written documents, and then legally enforce their business models and management through U.S. Courts based of copyright infringement.

[Clanked]

The scary thing about the ruling is that it sets a precident for SO much more than WoW. You kind of alluded to it with the iPhone, but its so much more.

The MMOGlider guy never accepted the EULA. Even if he had, EULAs are not a legally binding contract. He went and created a piece of software without ever playing the game.
Blizzard should only legally be able to ban those that break their EULA.

If I go and create a skin for windows or an mp3 player or something. Then they release a EULA and some means of detecting if I am trying to skin their program. If I figure out a hack to get it working, I am now held legally liable according to this precident.

They are two seperate pieces of software, he should be able to code to his hearts content. How they are actually put to use, is not the fault of the coder. If you don't agree with me, think of this: Should he legally be allowed to sell his software to someone that doesn't have a WoW installation and doesn't play WoW? Yes, it will be completely worthless, but that is for the consumer to decide upon.

[Souca]

Were talking about hundreds of thousands of people that have done this does it mean we should send them all to jail for putting apps apple doesn't want on a phone *you* purchased?Dear god! We need to act right now! Hundreds of thousand of god fearing citizens are going to go to jail! The sky is falling, the sky is falling!

- Souca -

[Iceorbz]

Were talking about hundreds of thousands of people that have done this does it mean we should send them all to jail for putting apps apple doesn't want on a phone *you* purchased?Dear god! We need to act right now! Hundreds of thousand of god fearing citizens are going to go to jail! The sky is falling, the sky is falling!

- Souca -*sigh* Not going to waste my time point out things to someone with tunnel vision, our conversation here is over and is starting to derail this thread.

[Bigfish]

So how about fair use laws? And other cases that have ruled that disassembling a program and leaving a copy in ram to ensure compatabilitys ect (anti virus is a big one) is a LEGAL practice. How about Apple trying to sue for people jailbreaking a iphone? Lets say you bought a program and no longer need it, but you cant do anything with it ! Because it was a "leased" copy. I think your focus is just on wow, and not the overall legal issues that are already arising due to the mdy vs. blizzard case. It will be a scary day when a Terms of Use, is now plain law. What if microsoft said no more use of fire fox or its a violation of their operating systems terms of use ? Now by downloading and browsing your breaking your terms of use, violating DMC laws, and lost your windows copy! What is really illegal about botting (and this is NOT, a discussion about terms of use botting wow is wrong by their tems of use and will get you banned. ) im talking Crimnal law. How many people do you think have ever been put in jail for hacking their xbox, or using a game genie with their Nintendo... i mean come on seriously ?? is this what we are going to let our legal systems get to?

I wasn't saying what should or should not be, I was pointing out the argument that "If Program X gets banned/subject to regulation/whatever (WoWglider, Napster), copy cats with just crop up to replace it, therefore we shouldn't have banned the original in the first place" is invalid by reductio ad absurdum. There's a market for human trafficing, and shutting down one ring means another will just pop up to replace it. By applying that same reasoning, we shouldn't bother shutting down human trafficing.

There's a plethora of reasons why you can call the decision made in this case wrong. "People will still do it anyway" isn't one of them.

[Iceorbz]

I wasn't saying what should or should not be, I was pointing out the argument that "If Program X gets banned/subject to regulation/whatever (WoWglider, Napster), copy cats with just crop up to replace it, therefore we shouldn't have banned the original in the first place" is invalid by reductio ad absurdum. There's a market for human trafficing, and shutting down one ring means another will just pop up to replace it. By applying that same reasoning, we shouldn't bother shutting down human trafficing.

There's a plethora of reasons why you can call the decision made in this case wrong. "People will still do it anyway" isn't one of them. If it's deemed wrong then it will be, but based on response on the wow forums to topic and such i think blizzard ent. gave to much PR to this case and probably made their problems worse. How many people went to check out napster and limewire when they were in the media, i know personally i did. I picked up a copy of DVD X-Copy when it was being published by 3-2-1 Studios and a little article came into my gaming magazine about how it worked and the MPAA was all pissed off about, off to the store i went to get a copy. I just think the way blizzard is playing this out presents a false sense of security to other wow players, as soon as one company goes down many more pop up since the market share is open. I really don't think alot of players realize that since the case and free advertisements, subscriptions have probably gone up. I mean honestly, they went after a company of 4-5 people on a case that will be looked at by many in regards to digital copyrights and software laws. And I really believe that we would see different rulings (at this current point in time) if the people making the software were a bit bigger and more powerful. I really just don't want to see what I can & cant use on my computer get dicated by a company, and have it legally binding. If it breaks a rule, or is against there terms ( where they could just deny service ) thats fine, but being able to fine and put someone in jail for it? I think its absurd.

[Souca]

Were talking about hundreds of thousands of people that have done this does it mean we should send them all to jail for putting apps apple doesn't want on a phone *you* purchased?Dear god! We need to act right now! Hundreds of thousand of god fearing citizens are going to go to jail! The sky is falling, the sky is falling!

- Souca -*sigh* Not going to waste my time point out things to someone with tunnel vision, our conversation here is over and is starting to derail this thread.How nice of you to classify me as having tunnel vision. You know nothing of my point on the matter, yet you feel capable of defining my views? My response was based off the manner in which you have been discussing this topic. You provide no basis for your arguments while making wild accusations and tangential suppositions that people will end up in jail. This isn't a conversation; this is you having a nerdrage over something without bothering to actually discuss it.

If you had cited your sources for all your claims, I would have read them and considered them, but as it stands you come off as someone on rant with no real concept of the situation. It doesn't matter if you are right or fully understand what is going on if you can't remain rational enough to discuss it.

As for claiming I'm derailing the thread, that's pretty hypocritical for someone talking about the legal implications of a court case in a thread about a new keybinding. We were speculating if the change in keybinds were related to the case, not whether the case was an injustice or held merit. I do believe you took us into that area.

I welcome a rebuttal or a discussion, but I have a feeling I will likely just get a personal attack or claims that I have no idea what I'm talking about. If the latter is the case, I can give you an apropriate response in advance: "mad cuz ur bad?"

- Souca -