Setting a New Leader Upon Death

[amalgam]

I remember seeing Xzin discuss this somewhere but he accomplished this using a hardware trick of some sort. Being a 1 machine software MBer, this is not an option for me. I was wondering if it'd be possible to assign a new leader in one macro as opposed to using a new leader macro for each possible character.

Since I use my focus target for my leader (I figure it'd be more flexible), this is my idea (modified to assume quinboxing):

/tar char5 [nodead]
/tar char4 [nodead]
/tar char3 [nodead]
/tar char2 [nodead]
/tar char1 [nodead]
/focus (or is this /setfocus, I forget)

And my "FOLLOW" macro is set to follow my focus. This would hopefully reset in two keypresses to choose a new leader. This would ideally be an extremely quick process.

I'd test this out but I am on the road to Houston at the moment so i am using the company laptop (no WoW installed on it, sadly).

TLDR: Does /tar cascade upon failing a conditional?

[hxc]

This is just like the macro I use for finding the foremost living leader of the group. So yes, based on the nodead conditions it will run through each target and focus the foremost character in the group.

I use /assist's in each spellcast though and a seperate one for setting focus for each char (so i can keep my focus feared/sheeped) It does work fairly well, but occassionally i've found it will target one of my newly dead characters and i've no idea why... anyone have any insight into this?

[Xzin]

Why not set your leader as focus and then base every spell off of assist focus? If your leader dies, press one of 4 buttons to assign a new leader and everything resets nearly instantly and you keep right on going. You would need only work out movement (perhaps a dedicated directional keypad for each?)

Only downside is you lose focus for other uses.

You COULD hardwire everything in to support absolute targeting and have a mod or left and right alt/shift/control toggles to select different leaders based on various combinations of keys you held (or toggled) down.

But using focus seems like far less work and far easier to use.

[Ghallo]

I think you could accomplish the same thing with this:
/focus [target=char1,nodead][target=char2,nodead][target=char3,nodead][target=char4,nodead]
where char# is the Name of the character. You may wish to change each to:
/focus [target=char1,nodead,exists][target=char2,nodead,exists][target=char3,nodead,exists][target=char4,nodead,exists]
/follow focus

Now, logically, this would be ONLY ON CHAR 5.
Char 4 would have:
[target=char1,nodead,exists][target=char2,nodead,exists][target=char3,nodead,exists]
Char 3
[target=char1,nodead,exists][target=char2,nodead,exists]
Char2
[target=char1,nodead,exists]

Each of those macros would be on the same button.

[amalgam]

For the record, I am SW MBing.

Normally, all my spells are set up using focus assist macros. I find it's easier to just set a focus and assist for spells than having to wait for new targets twice (once to acquire leader, once to assist leader), especially waiting on latency across four toons. I just wanted something that would target my latest living character that is the earliest in my set-up (e.g.: if I have CharA, B, C, and D, I want to find the last one standing that is the EARLIEST in the alphabet. If A is dead, I want to set focus to B.).

Glad to see /tar cascades after failed conditionals.

Finally, the reason I wanted to do it this way was so I could conserve macro space on every character. Instead of consuming 5 macros for a situation that ideally won't happen, I'd rather use one macro to reset leader than have to discern which character is alive that I want to use next. So, my keypress seq. goes NumPad 8 then NumPad 9 and I'm reset.

[amalgam]

I just realized I sound kind of redundant here. My apologies on that.

Also, Fur, I see you're on Kil'Jaeden as well, albeit Alliance. What level are you at now? I'd rather not PvP against another MBer yet since I'm still so new to it. :)

[amalgam]

I've got a triple team of UD Mages in the high teens, but I am considering a quad team of 3 S Priests with a Paladin tank. My buddy is doing a Paladin ATM, but he's looking at bringing in two Mages.

I just want to hurry up and get into SM. :)

Why would they want to try so hard to conceal the fact they control multiple toons? If I was a raid leader, I'd welcome multiple DPS focus-firing a target or multiple healers focus-healing a tank. That's the ultimate in synchronicity.

[amalgam]

I'm keeping my toons in a little Horde levelling Guild comprised of rerolls from Arthas. They needed people for the charter and I figured "why the hell not?"

If you see a team of Alpha/Beta/Gamma/Delta with a suffix of some other weird phonetic (-vas for the Mages, contemplating -sim or -vel for the Pala/Priest team), that'd be me. /wave

As far as being in a raiding Guild, having a competent player control, say, three S Priests would be like an infinite mana battery for a DPS group. Even better would be splitting the three up across the raid and providing the benefit to multiple groups. Besides, if you're using DKP, I don't see the problem: you raid on three toons, you get the DKP on three toons.

Triple Mage would be a little weirder, I think. That would require more concentration on Polys and decursing.

I'd just have to be careful about raids: if I knew that I was leaving that night sometime and we were short on people, I don't think I'd go. If I left the raid, that would effectively end the night for everyone.

[amalgam]

My opinion of what loot-whores and drama-meisters can go do involves a 5" wide, 10' long piece of PVC pipe and bodily orifices.

I think I'm just going to be up-front and very explicit in saying that I control all three or four characters. We'll see how that works. Xzin, you raided on Mag, right? How'd that work out for you?

[hxc]

So, my keypress seq. goes NumPad 8 then NumPad 9 and I'm reset.

if you use that method of dynamically changing leader using a series of /target's you can completely cut out having to use focus (saving it for something else if you wish) make all your casting macros like this :

/target [target=char4,nodead][target=char3,nodead][target=char2,nodead][target=char1,nodead]
/assist
/cast [harm] Spell

and your follow like :

/target [target=char4,nodead][target=char3,nodead][target=char2,nodead][target=char1,nodead]
/follow

that way you don't have to worry about pressing a seperate key to focus at all.

However targeting like that is not 100% reliable, as i posted earlier on occasion (happened to be like 5 or so times in the last month) it doesn't register properly that the leader's died, I have no idea why but it usually results in a wipe ;)

[amalgam]

Hmm....I might give that a shot. That would leave Focus open to Poly/Dispel/Fear.

[Vodka]

If all your dps macros are like:

/cast [target=focustarget] Shadow Bolt;

then you can just leave the target open for use as focus in the older macros.

Check it:

#show Seduction
/assist [target=target,noexists]; [target=target,dead] focus
/petstay
/petfollow
/stopcasting
/cast [pet:succubus,target=target,exists,harm] Seduction; Seduction


Should work, I'll go test it now.

[Xzin]

Xzin, you raided on Mag, right? How'd that work out for you?

My guild shafted me because nearly everybody was a loot whore and greedy. They figured 5 characters but 1 person means 1 roll or 1 set of DKP. Even though I took up 5 slots, had 5x repair bills, was paying attention the whole time and was the main reason outdoor bosses always went so well if alliance were going for it too. Something about 5 /random 100 x5 - but mostly just bc they wanted more loot for themselves. This even took place in ZG from time to time, when I was literally 1/4 of the raid - and ZG was not exactly high end. If I were to raid again, I would make it clear that 5 characters = 5 characters, boxing or not. If they don't like it then I will raid elsewhere.


In the high end raiding guilds I was in (pre-BC) there was always a level of drama about loot and raid slots, etc. Imagine if a mage and a priest were both controled by one person, and then the rest of the raid finds out they're both the SAME person, and both got gear drops that night. Emo-explosion!

Technically, it should be no different from two individual players (as you pointed out, its better) but the kiddy loot-whore drama queens just can't handle it. Especially if you're giving up multiple raid slots to one person.

I can *maybe* buy the raid slots argument. But then people see you as the buffer slots. Meaning one of you gets the boot when a "real" player gets on (sometimes 2 hours after the raid started). In short, the drama queens can get bent. You have 5 accounts. You pay for 5. You have 5x their repair bills. You should get loot on all 5. Period. Not be a placeholder or only able to roll on stuff as 4 "alts".

[amalgam]

Zin, I would agree with you for the most part. There are loot whores everywhere you go.

The funny part about that situation is the polar opposite responses you seem to get in PvE and PvP: every Horde group wanted you in their BG, while, conversely, you seem to have been reviled in raids.

You were in Sedition or Without Remorse, right?

[Xzin]

Exiled

and there was a line a mile long for my WSG groups.

Makes me sad that humans are so selfish. ALL of that loot has been replaced anyway.

The only "to be fair" caveat: Naxx was impossible to 5 box. At least on most fights. One false move = wiped raid. So I just took Xzin.

But BWL, Ony, MC, ZG, everything else really, I cleaned up on.

[amalgam]

I had some Guildmates in Vent that would go "shit, the Zins are here. I'll be AFK." This was before the cross-realm BGs and all the following (read: 200 times worse than Mag's) QQing about you. Funny shit.

PvP was never my thing anyway; I was only on Mag to hang with two former friends of mine.

[doc]

This is the script i use,, Basicaly as above, i t checks on the nodead condition, but with the same token also checks with the exists condintion, so u can basically have 5 or 4 or 3... etc,, chars out, the macros would still work finr.. And when the main dies, it automatically takes the next char to be the new main... and so on...

/assist [target=redßull, exists, nodead] [target=Lice, exists, nodead] [target=Tiç, exists, nodead] [target=Toç, exists, nodead]
/focus target
/stopmacro [target=focus, noexists]
/target target
/startattack
/cast Lightning Bolt

this is my follow macro..

/stand
/target [target=redßull,exists,nodead][target=Lice,exists,nodead][target=Tiç,exists,nodead][target=Toç,exists, nodead][target=Toyz,exists,nodead]
/follow target

this is my heal macro (with cojuction HEALBOT addon to target char on low health).. Note, the main targets the toon by clicking on his healbot bar. then immidiately u can cast this macro to heal that toon.. And because of focus wich was set by the assist mascro (above) the group will not loose the mob target,
However because of ping server lag, sometimes the cast goes to the wrong target,, so, just spamm it twice the first spam will set the target, then the second will heal the currect toon.. U might loose a fraction of a sec longer to get the heal off. but it works fine for me especially as i have all 5 shammies casting a lower lvl (faster) heal spell. which is both more mana efficient and less agro generating.. (anyway, i hope that makes sense.)

/stopcasting
/assist [target=redßull, exists, nodead] [target=Lice, exists, nodead] [target=Tiç, exists, nodead] [target=Toç, exists, nodead] [target=Toyz, exists, nodead]
/cast [target=target, help] Healing Wave(rank 3)
/target [target=focus]

[hxc]

Doc, I like the idea for using healbot for group heals :)

I've been wondering how I could use healbot to make my whole group/healers heal someone in my group without using up 5 or so hotkeys , and using target like that had passed me by :lol: Very helpful, thanks!

[Zseth]

/assist party1

upon death it doesn't matter if I don't have to move I continue to select targets while dead and they still assist.

if I have to its just promoting the next guy in line to group leader and he becomes party1

Works well