If Blizzard removed /follow then would you still multibox?

[Owltoid]

I've seen many posts referencing that if Blizzard really wanted to nerf MB then it would remove follow. While I'm sure that's true, how many of you would continue to MB and figure out new ways to play?

[Hachoo]

Nope...

I love multiboxing but I'm not addicted to WoW nor am I interested in doing something that feels like a job. The only reason I multibox is because Blizzard has made it so easy :) If /follow was gone, 4 of my subscriptions would be too.

[Bigfish]

If they removed follow? Character control would go out the window and the game would become more trouble than its worth.

[Falkor]

If they removed /follow "they would never do this" we would just have to result to using hardware based mice n keyboards for movement controls rather then syncing out keyboard buffers.

[Starbuck_Jones]

I barely have time enough to play already. If they removed /follow I would cancel all but one account and then that one would prolly get canceled later as all the things I hated about wow came back and that was the reason I started to MB. I would give it prolly 3-4 months.

[Kaynin]

I'd stop quad-boxing, but I'd still dual-box. Maybe even triple. But dual for sure.

[Owltoid]

/Follow would kill 95%+ of the serious multiboxers. This was pointed out over a year ago, numerous times.

So.. welcome to Jan, 2008.

I know it was pointed out a long time ago, which is why I mentioned something similar in my original post. If you responded to a similar question one year ago, then I invite you to abstain from answering in this thread :)


I've seen many posts referencing that if Blizzard really wanted to nerf MB then it would remove follow. While I'm sure that's true, how many of you would continue to MB and figure out new ways to play?

[-silencer-]

I'd cancel all but two of my accounts, and just use one account to boost the other, like I used to do back in old Diablo 2 days. Actually actively playing both accounts at the same time? Nope. The reason I've stuck with WoW over other new MMORPGs is becuase WoW makes multiboxing so much easier, and there's good synergy between classes. If /follow were gone, I'd transfer the lvl 70+ toons on my 3 cancelled accounts to my two remaining active accounts and go back to solo raiding with the guild full-time.

[Owltoid]

I must ask then, why do you feel compelled to start a new thread? Why not a poll? Why not bump one of the old ones?

For the sake of not polluting the search engine more than it already is...

A forum full of similar posts is better than a forum devoid of activity. Many threads have been covered in some detail and can be answered from a search forum, but that doesn't exactly build a community or get user input from multiboxers who weren't on the forum last year.

I can see doing a search thread for "pally tanking macros" but I can't see doing a search thread for a question that asks members of the community what THEY would do if /follow was removed.

[elsegundo]

i would not be doing anything that requires a lot of coordination, thats for sure.

maybe boost some lowbies through instances. with one healer at a selected spot, out of aggro range, to heal. grab mobs, run back, aoe down. heal as needed. thats the only thing i can think of doing without /follow.

[Owltoid]

To the OP:

A poll probably would have served your purpose then.

heh, I'm not doing some statistical analysis (I do enough at my job) where I'd care to know the percentage of users, but rather I'm asking for members rationale (like the ones that have been provided so far).

Are you in a bad mood today? The forum needs a smiley for giving a hug (like Yahoo's emoticon)

[Multibocks]

I'd quit WoW immediately, MBing was the only fresh breath of air I have had playing this game in a long time. I hate every facet of the solo game (waiting in X city for a group, having it fall apart on one wipe, etc) I can't do guilds either as my GF has a strict "no raiding" policy that developed during the early WoW years. "One more boss, pleeeeeeassssseee!!!!!" Two hours later.....

[Catamer]

I vote no. I would probably quit or reduce my accounts to one or two. Hopefully I could get into a large raiding guild and "keep it fresh" that way.
The worst part is that once you mbox it's really hard to go back.

The so call "they would never do that" is just exactly what they did.
it seems like they tried to "test the water" with the new mounts and quests which all had some type of nerf to /follow and /assist and only one person can mount at a time.

I tried leveling one of my alt teams and I already feel like I have northend collection quest burn out. I never experience it before when I was leveling 17 characters to 70.

[Dominian]

Why on earth are we discussing such a pointless question?

Its like asking on the wow forums:

"Would you still play wow if your wife/mother took your keyboard"

I dont want to be rude, but seriously do we need topics like this?

[Owltoid]

Why on earth are we discussing such a pointless question?

Its like asking on the wow forums:

"Would you still play wow if your wife/mother took your keyboard"

I dont want to be rude, but seriously do we need topics like this?

I'm a dude, and I'm guessing you're a dude, but I'd still give you a hug.

I'm sorry this thread isn't interesting to you. Perhaps you'd rather browse more threads related to optimzing RAF setups.

[Owltoid]

I'm sorry this thread isn't interesting to you. Perhaps you'd rather browse more threads related to optimzing RAF setups.

Speak of the devil:

Quick RaF question ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=19019')

Enjoy!

[Duese]

What would you do if they put in a /follow that actually works?

Doesn't get dropped when you phase.
Doesn't make you run like a truck driver around corners.
Doesn't make you randomly lose Crusader Aura.
Doesn't break when you fly straight up.
Doesn't break when you take off.

ahhhhh ... i could only dream right?

[Basilikos]

Honestly, I'd be gone. Multiboxing is what has kept me in WoW and even now, I'm taking a break for some time simply due to having approached the game like work. If it really did become work (i.e. no more /follow) than I'd try my hand at EVE or something. WoW would just be nonexistent to me.

[Malekyth]

Losing /follow would be the end of it for me ... but honestly, it's about as relevant a question as, "if Blizzard removed Protection talents, would you still tank?" They're cool with multiboxing, have said so publicly more than once, and won't be smacking us down because a few fourteen year-olds told them to. They're a bit mightier than that.

[Basilikos]

Dreaming hasn't been banned........yet. ;P

If Blizzard removed /dream then would you still multibox? :P

[keyclone]

I know it was pointed out a long time ago, which is why I mentioned something similar in my original post. If you responded to a similar question one year ago, then I invite you to abstain from answering in this thread :)if this was asked and answered last year, and you are aware of it, why would you decide to put it out again?

is the point to openly discuss some hypothetical that would undermine multi-boxing, thereby disheartening members?

exactly what is to be gained that wasn't discovered a year ago?

[Basilikos]

is the point to openly discuss some hypothetical that would undermine multi-boxing, thereby disheartening members?
I certainly hope this isn't part of Evilseed's attempts to mess with us.

[Owltoid]

Wow, you guys are touchy about discussing this subject. I'm glad there are so many worthwhile threads that this one is put to shame by asking if some would continue to multibox if /follow was removed. I mean really, there are far crappier threads on the first page of General Discussion, but lots have their panties in a bunch over this one. I guess the Evilseed drama likes to spill over anywhere it can. I mean really, I'm trying to dishearten members, Keyclone? Feel free to delete this thread as it's obviously an evil attempt to stop this hobby that I've fully embraced of the past couple months. :thumbsup:

[Basilikos]

Wow, you guys are touchy about discussing this subject. I'm glad there are so many worthwhile threads that this one is put to shame by asking if some would continue to multibox if /follow was removed. I mean really, there are far crappier threads on the first page of General Discussion, but lots have their panties in a bunch over this one. I guess the Evilseed drama likes to spill over anywhere it can. I mean really, I'm trying to dishearten members, Keyclone? Feel free to delete this thread as it's obviously an evil attempt to stop this hobby that I've fully embraced of the past couple months. :thumbsup:

I realize you're less than happy with the response you're getting here, but understand that with recent happenings and the way Evilseed/Mouseconner has handled these incidents in the past, we've all got to be a little paranoid.

[glo]

They wouldn't remove /follow they would update the TOS and ban people who did it if they really wanted to do anything at all.

[Malekyth]

Wow, you guys are touchy about discussing this subject. Pretty sure Basilikos was joking!

I will say, I got a sort of apprehensive feeling when I saw the topic, probably similar to how grannies get when you talk about bowel cancer or car wrecks or being accidentally shot through the head by a ricochet from a bank robbery six blocks away. "Don't talk about that, it'll come true!" I'd rather steer clear of conversation whose very existence implies that we're not completely on the level, or that there's some lingering doubt as to whether multiboxing is OK with the powers that be. I'm well aware of the multiple instances of Blizzard confirming the legitimacy of multiboxing as a playstyle, and am very confident that if they had any problem with it, they could have easily crushed us like bugs a long time ago. But as a non-superstitious thirtysomething male I'm still apparently not immune to the Granny Effect, so wouldn't mind not seeing threads like this. :P

[Basilikos]

Pretty sure Basilikos was joking!

Strictly speaking, no. I certainly hope that this is NOT part of the attempt to mess with the community.

Humor aside, I wasn't trying to attack someone. I know what you were getting at, but I stand by the literal meaning of my statement. I hope this is NOT a part of Mouseconner's disruption attempts.

[valkry]

Why on earth are we discussing such a pointless question?

Its like asking on the wow forums:

"Would you still play wow if your wife/mother took your keyboard"

I dont want to be rude, but seriously do we need topics like this?
I'll answer your question with another one, why make such a pointless post yourself? If you don't like the topic, gtfo.

If my wife/mum took my keyboard, ofc I would still play, I'd go buy a new one...duh.

I would still play if /follow was removed. I only use it for traveling places. But I have movement keys mapped anyway and while flying i actully dont use /follow as it keeps breaking from phasing in northrend, especially ice crown and storm peaks.

Also, I first started by dual-boxing, with 2 keybaords.

[valkry]

PS: I swear i have seen some of the handiwork in this thread before by trolls in the wow forums...

...oh yes, I went there. Seriously though, gg.

[RobinGBrown]

I'm a dude, and I'm guessing you're a dude, but I'd still give you a hug.



GAAAAAYYYY!

Sorry couldn't resist.

To answer seriously: I'd stop multiboxing WoW and go multibox something else. City of Heroes is fun and might be cool multiboxing.

I'd probably still keep a WoW account going but I'd never enjoy it as much again, I was pretty much tired of WoW and stuck behind a wall of PUGs before I started boxing it.

What I'd really like Blizzard to implement is a formation follow - you could choose between wedge, wing, block, star, line, and conga - that'd be great!

[Kaynin]

I agree, Fursphere has gotten soft.

You big ol' fluffy fuzball.

[Frosty]

In anticipation of Blizzard removing /follow, I have canceled all of my accounts.

I'll be damned if they are going to beat me to it!!!! :thumbup:

[Kaynin]

In anticipation of Blizzard removing /follow, I have canceled all of my accounts.

I'll be damned if they are going to beat me to it!!!! :thumbup:

Wish I was as smart and strong as you are. :p

[Owltoid]

Wow, you guys are touchy about discussing this subject. I'm glad there are so many worthwhile threads that this one is put to shame by asking if some would continue to multibox if /follow was removed. I mean really, there are far crappier threads on the first page of General Discussion, but lots have their panties in a bunch over this one. I guess the Evilseed drama likes to spill over anywhere it can. I mean really, I'm trying to dishearten members, Keyclone? Feel free to delete this thread as it's obviously an evil attempt to stop this hobby that I've fully embraced of the past couple months. :thumbsup:

Actually, this is quite mild. Long before I was a moderator here, I used to hammer on the redundant / pointless threads pretty hard here. The old timers know what I'm talking about. ;)

I think Keyclone nailed it though - if you actually found the old threads, why reinvent the wheel? I realize the search feature just outright fails at times, but if it actually worked... well...

To clarify, I never found an old thread devoted to discussing what people would do if they removed /follow. I never searched for one, I never found this magical January 2008 thread... probably because I never tried. I don't doubt there is one, and in fact probably multiple versions, but I don't see a point in searching for old threads when I'm asking what current members would do. The members from 2008 are likely different than the current members. If you don't want to take part in the thread, then here's a piece of advice: stop bumping it.

I have seen multiple threads mention that Blizzards biggest tool is the removal of follow. I created a thread that discussed Pally+Moonkin vs DK+shaman (another topic that has probably been discussed 20 times and could be covered in a search, but nobody bitched about that one). In that thread I referenced an older thread discussing which buffs stack:
Blizzard's official comment about changes to stacking buffs in WOTLK. Comprehensive list of buffs inside. ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=112866&highlight=crusader+moonkin#post112866')
I was just researching the stacking of buffs and I noticed, once again, that someone mentioned Blizzard's ace up their sleeve. That's where my curiousity started. This thread is where my opinion of some of the regular members diminished ;( I find it ironic that someone can ask a simple question, get interesting feedback from users who would stop playing and who would continue playing, be bashed by regular members and moderators, and then told to post on the WoW forums by the very same people who stooped to that maturity level.

For all those who think I'm part of Evilseeds grand plan to undermine this community, you're correct. I am Evilseed, and I am MouseCloner. I like to argue with myself by STARTING threads such as the following:
Mousecloner is very likely against the rules ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=18862')

Caught me red handed you sly dogs.

[Bigfish]

I'M Spartacus!

[Leon]

Probably Not, save myself some money.

But i'd be annoyed as heck if they did for the simple fact of all the times that a Normal Single boxer needs to use follow and its not there.
I play with a few people who need to be AFK from time to time and being able to have them follow around and still score quest counts is a good thing.

[Nisch]

That is exactly why I did not multibox in AoC. I had 6 computers ready to go, but never fired them up.

[Hachoo]

Ok the people that are getting on the OP about creating a thread that existed a year ago... give me a break. Hes damned either way. I mean honestly why would he search back a year ago for a thread before creating a new one? It would have taken 10x longer to find the existing thread than post a new one. Also, this site was what, 1/10 as big 1 year ago? Very few people in the old thread probably even post here any more and certainly almost all of the active people on the site now weren't around when it was created.

Post in the old thread and reactivate it you say? Yeah, right. Then he'd have 50 people jumping down his throat for necroing an extremely old thread.

Last, why the hell would anyone think this has anything to do with Evilseed or mouse cloner? It was a hypothetical question about how people would feel if blizzard made a change. Good lord a lot of you people are paranoid as hell.

I can't stand it when people on forums start getting elitist about using the search function. Fine if theres already a thread on the first page (or maybe even the second page) or if a question has been asked 100 times and gets asked every few days, yes, by all means bitch about it. But expecting someone to use a search function to figure out if an extremely obscure question has been asked any time in the last X years is just retarded.

[Tonuss]

I've seen many posts referencing that if Blizzard really wanted to nerf MB then it would remove follow. While I'm sure that's true, how many of you would continue to MB and figure out new ways to play?I could dual-box, but definitely not 5-box. Since I'm playing solo these days, I'd probably quit playing altogether.

[Hachoo]

Hes damned either way. I mean honestly why would he search back a year ago for a thread before creating a new one?

Actually, I think the subject was brought up as little as a month ago ( Dec 08 ). I didn't dig too deep, but I didn't find some references in recent times.

It seems the subject in general (either removing /follow or making multiboxing "illegal" or the ever popular "the sky is falling") comes up about once a month in one form or another.Yes making multiboxing illegal comes up a lot, however this thread really has nothing to do with that. The OP really just wanted to know if a key mechanic not working would cause people to stop multiboxing.

[keyclone]

to be honest, it's just a stupid question for two reasons. one, the OP admits to having read/have knowledge of previous threads on the subject... so why rehash? i could understand if he himself had no knowledge of the previous threads... but the claim is that he does (post #8 ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=174234#post174234') ). to get the opinion of current boxers which would be the exact opinion of boxers 6, 12, or 24 months ago. which leads to reason number two... make it so i cannot move and of course i would stop playing. there is an implied 'duh' in there somewhere.

and i reiterate my question... what is to be gained by asking a question which, to be honest, is akin to 'if your power went out, would you still multibox'.

if the point is to fret about things beyond our control... and put the thought into peoples mind.. congrats, you've found a topic. this combined with knowledge of the prior threads makes me question the timing.

as for that thread that was 'way back last year'... (Will Blizzard take a stand on dual-boxing? ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=17282') ) that was the most recent... from dec 8, 2008 (not even 2 months ago). fursphere mentions the removing follow option here ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=156384#post156384'), in post #20

[keyclone]

why the hell would anyone think this has anything to do with Evilseed or mouse cloner?this is the internet. one of the main tools is FUD. Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. this thread would score Fear and Uncertainty

i hope you can see why people would question the timing given a similar thread was posted not 2 months ago. and yes, evilseed had posted on it

[Owltoid]

to be honest, it's just a stupid question for two reasons. one, the OP admits to having read/have knowledge of previous threads on the subject... so why rehash? i could understand if he himself had no knowledge of the previous threads... but the claim is that he does (post #8 ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=174234#post174234') ). to get the opinion of current boxers which would be the exact opinion of boxers 6, 12, or 24 months ago. which leads to reason number two... make it so i cannot move and of course i would stop playing. there is an implied 'duh' in there somewhere.

and i reiterate my question... what is to be gained by asking a question which, to be honest, is akin to 'if your power went out, would you still multibox'.

if the point is to fret about things beyond our control... and put the thought into peoples mind.. congrats, you've found a topic. this combined with knowledge of the prior threads makes me question the timing.

as for that thread that was 'way back last year'... (Will Blizzard take a stand on dual-boxing? ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=17282') ) that was the most recent... from dec 8, 2008 (not even 2 months ago). fursphere mentions the removing follow option here ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=156384#post156384'), in post #20

Wow, reading comprehension FTL (enough WoW forum speak for ya?)

Previous threads mentioned the if Blizzard wanted to nerf MB then they would take away /follow. I mentioned that I didn't see any threads dedicated to how users would react. I'm sorry you can't see the difference between "I'm scared the sky is falling and Blizzard is going to take away our functionality" and a question that refers to what steps users would take. If you don't like the thread, then stop bumping it (or delete it for all I care, it really wasn't supposed to be such a controversy)... there are other less unique, less interesting threads right on the General Discussion front page waiting for you.

I'm sorry you don't think the MB population has changed within the past 12 months. I think many would disagree with you. I'm sure it's going to change a great deal over the next 12 months as affordable computers, which have the capability to run multiple instances w/o too much lag, become more prevalent.

As far as the Owltoid = Evilseed, where is the tin-foil-hat emoticon?

[keyclone]

did i say anywhere that owltoid == evilseed?

[Bigfish]

Don't you see? All this fighting means the terrorists win!

Hugs! Hugs all around! Feel the love!

[pinotnoir]

IF there was no follow I would cancel all my acounts and find a new game. If I wanted to play solo I wouldnt be boxing.

[Basilikos]

did i say anywhere that owltoid == evilseed?
You have now. It's about time he was excised.

/begin exorcism
[Owltoid]: I'm not Evilseed.
[Basilikos]: Well, then let's introduce ourselves. I'm Basilikos; I'm the guy who gave you the benefit of the doubt about your dirty little program. This is personal - you deceived me.
[Owltoid]: And I'm the Mouseconner. Now kindly read my forum-alt propaganda and buy my software.
[Basilikos]: If you're the Mouseconner, why not own up to what you are doing to this community?
[Owltoid]: That's much too respectable for me, Basilikos.

Later...

[Basilikos]: I cast you out! Unclean automator!
[Owltoid]: Shove it up your ass, you hardware-boxer!
[Basilikos]: In the name of our Lord Fursphere! It is he who commands you! It is he who flung you from dual-boxing.com to the depths of mousecloner.com!
[Owltoid]: Fuck him!
[Basilikos]: (Repeated) The power of Keyclone compels you! The power of Keyclone compels you!

Special thanks to IMDb ('http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070047/quotes') for the Exorcist quotes I goofed with.

[Owltoid]

Lol, I was hoping this thread would die, but that was a worthwhile bump, Basilikos!

[elsegundo]

to add to my last post, which is probably overshadowed by countless "is this thread necessary" posts..

i'd play dungeon siege over and over again to satisfy my multibox urges. though its not really multibox, it comes close to making me believe i control four characters.

[keyclone]

:thumbsup:

i bow to the power of Basilikos

/bow

now let's forget this silliness and get back to pwning anything that walks by...

[Basilikos]

Lol, I was hoping this thread would die, but that was a worthwhile bump, Basilikos!
I hoped it would be humorous, but I wasn't sure. Honestly, I figured that he was honestly asking if he'd ever seriously made the statement and I can't let an honest question slide 8) .

[RobinGBrown]

Lord Fursphere... I like the sound of that. :D

Noooooooooo!!!!!

p.s. Grats to Basilikos for a great post and a great misquote

[Yamio]

~Basilikos

Very little that I read here makes me openly guffaw. Excellent exorcism.

Lord Fursphere said aloud sounds nasty. /shudder

[HPB]

Adding my 2 cents...

I would transfer all of the unique high level toons from my 3-5th accounts back to my first two accounts. I've got too many toons to fit them all on my main account now, but I'd salavage: my 80 priest, 80 hunter, 2 of my 72 paladins, 2 of my 60 shamen, my 60 druid, my 60 lock, my 60 rogue and 2 of my death knights. That'd have to be enough. My guild is getting back into raiding. I really enjoy casual raiding, so I'd stick around and play solo.

I wouldn't multibox anymore, except for the greatest multiboxing oppertunity in the game:

The Auction Houses! (I've got two lowbie alliance on my main acct and another on my 2nd acct to help find goods for guildes when the horde auction is overpriced or doesn't have the goods). It's also nice to have one of your bank toons on and shopping while you're doing other things on the other account with a high level toon.

[Suvega]

I've seen many posts referencing that if Blizzard really wanted to nerf MB then it would remove follow. While I'm sure that's true, how many of you would continue to MB and figure out new ways to play?

No.

Anyone in this thread who boldly claimed "OH YES I WUD HURRR, I LUVS EET TO MUCH" is mentally challenged, and/or has not tried w/o follow.
Replicating key strokes does not suffice, .5deg of error, results in stopping and re facing your guys after about 50 yards.
I.e. it would be quicker to do dailies on all 5 individually, then doing them all at teh same time.

[valkry]

I've seen many posts referencing that if Blizzard really wanted to nerf MB then it would remove follow. While I'm sure that's true, how many of you would continue to MB and figure out new ways to play?

No.

Anyone in this thread who boldly claimed "OH YES I WUD HURRR, I LUVS EET TO MUCH" is mentally challenged, and/or has not tried w/o follow.
Replicating key strokes does not suffice, .5deg of error, results in stopping and re facing your guys after about 50 yards.
I.e. it would be quicker to do dailies on all 5 individually, then doing them all at teh same time.
Oceanic internet, meet Suvega. Suvega, meet daily occurance.

2 keyboards, 2 melee chars, one with mouse one with keys. That's how I started. In instances, once I'm set up for a fight, I don't use /follow. I only care about the old school raids and boxing allows me to practically solo them. I would continue using the firepower and healing capacity even without /follow.

[KvdM]

Every once in a while someone will post a 'remove follow' suggestion. As a game developer, I do wonder what kind of image these people have of us. Do they really think that a game developer that can change a TOS and ban people for breaking it when needed, would resort to something as ineffective as removing follow from the game?

[Owltoid]

Every once in a while someone will post a 'remove follow' suggestion. As a game developer, I do wonder what kind of image these people have of us. Do they really think that a game developer that can change a TOS and ban people for breaking it when needed, would resort to something as ineffective as removing follow from the game?

Once again, the post was not asking if Blizzard is going to remove follow or suggesting that they should do it. All it was doing was asking how people would react if an important mechanic was removed (apparently many would likely not continue to MB WoW while others would take on the new challenge).

[KvdM]

Once again, the post was not asking if Blizzard is going to remove follow or suggesting that they should do it.Wasn't my intention to suggest that you were the one suggesting to remove it, I meant the people that actually post those suggestions on the wow forums. As for whether I myself would continue to multibox, that would be probably be a no. Why? Because I know Blizzard would not bother with a follow mechanic change, they'd simply ban the practice of multiboxing.

[TheBigBB]

I've seen many posts referencing that if Blizzard really wanted to nerf MB then it would remove follow. While I'm sure that's true, how many of you would continue to MB and figure out new ways to play?

No.

Anyone in this thread who boldly claimed "OH YES I WUD HURRR, I LUVS EET TO MUCH" is mentally challenged, and/or has not tried w/o follow.
Replicating key strokes does not suffice, .5deg of error, results in stopping and re facing your guys after about 50 yards.
I.e. it would be quicker to do dailies on all 5 individually, then doing them all at teh same time.I would probably quit at some point without follow, however I rarely rely on follow for instances. Most of the time I take off follow for a pull. I'd just have to adjust positioning more and spend more time walking to the next pull when I got off sync.