Horizontal Span vs Dual View on nvidia

[Simulacra]

Hi - This is just an informational - I used to have a 24inch + 19inch in dual view, I went and bought another 24inch screen to match and I set them to Horizontal span. Nice. I setup keyclone maximiser to put 4 tiles on the right hand screen and run 1 instance of wow windowed outside of keyclone on the left. Running 5 instances of wow in ghostlands I'm getting framerates of 40-60fps...when I was in dual view I was getting 25max. All this on the specs below...not too shabby. Also my pc runs at 80% cpu.

Xzin: This gets a sticky for a while until it gets integrated into another guide or fixed in nVidia's drivers.

[Wilbur]

Well noted, people have been saying this for quite a while on the forums.

Basically Windows XP doesn't render DirectX very well across two screens.

its fixed in Vista though, so you can Dual-view and still get a good Frame-rate.

[sikerdebaard]

Stupid question: Does running WoW in OpenGL mode instead of D3D make any difference when using a dual-screen setup?

[Wilbur]

I'm fairly sure using WoW in OpenGL mode reduces your FPS No matter if you Dual-view or Horizontal view - Its just not that good :-(

[Spawn]

Wuhu! (that describes just all 8) )

switched from dual-view to horizontal span and went from about 30FPS (on the slower machine with 3 wow's running, XP64) to 60-100FPS :D no lags in major city's anymore, thx alot!

[Bueller]

Another possible stupid question:

Do the screen sizes need to be the same for horizontal span or just the same resolution on both? I have a 24" and a 17" and when I span it the main screen (24") goes to crap resolution. I've been playing in dual mode which is ok since I am only running two accounts.

[schlange]

Hi - This is just an informational - I used to have a 24inch + 19inch in dual view, I went and bought another 24inch screen to match and I set them to Horizontal span. Nice. I setup keyclone maximiser to put 4 tiles on the right hand screen and run 1 instance of wow windowed outside of keyclone on the left. Running 5 instances of wow in ghostlands I'm getting framerates of 40-60fps...when I was in dual view I was getting 25max. All this on the specs below...not too shabby. Also my pc runs at 80% cpu.

Xzin: This gets a sticky for a while until it gets integrated into another guide or fixed in nVidia's drivers.

I have a 22 inch and 17 inch that I have setup on Dualview with a 8800GTX water cooled video card. I do not have the option of horizontal span unfortunately. How did you get that option to appear?

[Wilbur]

Nvidia control panel.

[banksie]

Personally i don't have any experience with 2 screens, so...

Atm I'm running 4 clints on 22" widescreen. Going to add a 5th from my main account later, but no way i'm going to cram 5 clients on 1 screen. As I'm running XP, what happens with the resolutions on horizontal span? Needs to be same? So do I need to get a widescreen atleast if not the same size?

[blaznbox]

I have a 22 inch and 17 inch that I have setup on Dualview with a 8800GTX water cooled video card. I do not have the option of horizontal span unfortunately. How did you get that option to appear?

I had this problem with my 7900's not showing horizontal span option. I just went to nvidia's website and downloaded updated drivers for my cards. Fixed the problem.

[pugs]

I tried this last night but did not seem to get any better frame rates. And the resolution options get all screwy in WOW because it thinks I have one big monitor.

And forget about maximizing windows because then I get one huge screen of whatever instead of it just maximizing on a single monitor it spreads across both.

Is there some fix for these issues? I have dual boxed in dual view...sure the framerates arent great but it works. And I dont expect much since I had both instances of WOW running at 1600x1200. I just wanted to see if the horizontal span would speed things up at all...but I really cant compare because the WOW resolution settings are all screwy after switching to SPAN instead of Dual.

Do you guys just run them all in windows and size the windows as best you can to fit on a screen or is there some way to define the window size manually? Basically I want to boxes of wow maximized on each of my 2 screens. Is there some way to do that in Span?

[Wilbur]

WoW Maximizer or the Keyclone Maximizer.

[pegasus00000]

I'm currently using 2 video cards and seperate monitor in each of them, and when I enable dual view one monitor have decent fps (35-40) the other is not that good (10-25)

Is there a way to take advantage of the power of individual card and make both montor display playable?

[keyclone]

i looked into doing multi cards... the main issue when running 2 cards is having enough power. if you have a 400W power supply, that might not be enough.

just some food for thought.

[pegasus00000]

i looked into doing multi cards... the main issue when running 2 cards is having enough power. if you have a 400W power supply, that might not be enough.

just some food for thought.

I don't think power is the problem, I have enough power for graphic card.

Any other suggestions? Thanks.

[Wilbur]

What Operating System are you running?

[pegasus00000]

I'm using XP Pro, I know that one card using dual view will decrease, however I thought having 2 cards eaching processing their own stuff will be better?

[Wilbur]

No.

The problem is with how DirectX renders over multiple displays.

The bug is fixed in Vista.

Hopefully XP Service Pack 3 will fix it, but thats not due out until 3rd Quarter '08 :-(

[Danin]

SP3 release candidate doesn't fix it so don't get your hopes up. It probably has more to do with DX9/DX10 that XP/Vista.

[MaxD]

I am running Vista with an 8800gt and I don't have an Horizontal span option for the two monitors. I downloaded the drivers but still have no option for this. Is there an option somewhere else like Omega drivers or any such program?

[Wilbur]

I am running Vista

Exactly. Vista doesn't require you to use Horizontal span, thus why you dont see the options. :-)

[Danin]

There's no such thing as horizontal span on Vista, the fixes in DX10 for dual view make it unnecessary.

[-silencer-]

I am running Vista with an 8800gt and I don't have an Horizontal span option for the two monitors. I downloaded the drivers but still have no option for this. Is there an option somewhere else like Omega drivers or any such program?
Are both your displays the same native resolution? (2x 1280x1024, 2x 1680x1050, etc) If they're two different sized monitors, like mine at 1920x1200 & 1680x1050, dual-view is the only useful mode.

[binkiebink]

if i have a 24" and a 17" will horizontal span still work?

[Nairi]

I'm currently using 2 video cards and seperate monitor in each of them, and when I enable dual view one monitor have decent fps (35-40) the other is not that good (10-25)

Is there a way to take advantage of the power of individual card and make both montor display playable?RAWR theres way to use full speed of both screens on dualview mode with xp will post back with more info rawr.

[Khayos]

I'm currently using 2 video cards and seperate monitor in each of them, and when I enable dual view one monitor have decent fps (35-40) the other is not that good (10-25)

Is there a way to take advantage of the power of individual card and make both montor display playable?RAWR theres way to use full speed of both screens on dualview mode with xp will post back with more info rawr.Lets here it then... I would love to know how.

[Nairi]

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/9179/dualviewdy0.jpg

step-1

run WOW-1 on current primary display

step-2

switch current primary display to 2nd display ( while first wow session is running )

run WOW-2

done.

both wows will be using full speed of the videocard.

[bryanc]

done.

both wows will be using full speed of the videocard.

Nice, so where'd you get the Vista skin for XP? :whistling:

[Nairi]

done.

both wows will be using full speed of the videocard.Nice, so where'd you get the Vista skin for XP? :whistling:Winmodify.com

[jkun]

There's no such thing as horizontal span on Vista, the fixes in DX10 for dual view make it unnecessary.So If I have a dx9 card, running dual view on vista is chewing up my FPS? do I need to reinstall XP?

[wye]

step-1

run WOW-1 on current primary display

step-2

switch current primary display to 2nd display ( while first wow session is running )

run WOW-2

done.

both wows will be using full speed of the videocard.There is no way to express how I feel. I L O V E you man. I spend many days trying to find a solution for this. THANKS!!!!!!! Buh bye Vista! Welcome XP.

[Rott]

I tried this last night but did not seem to get any better frame rates. And the resolution options get all screwy in WOW because it thinks I have one big monitor.

And forget about maximizing windows because then I get one huge screen of whatever instead of it just maximizing on a single monitor it spreads across both.

Is there some fix for these issues? I have dual boxed in dual view...sure the framerates arent great but it works. And I dont expect much since I had both instances of WOW running at 1600x1200. I just wanted to see if the horizontal span would speed things up at all...but I really cant compare because the WOW resolution settings are all screwy after switching to SPAN instead of Dual.

Do you guys just run them all in windows and size the windows as best you can to fit on a screen or is there some way to define the window size manually? Basically I want to boxes of wow maximized on each of my 2 screens. Is there some way to do that in Span?I have this same problem.

I have 2 x 24" Widescreens, I tried setting it in Horizontal Span and when I used Maximiser it was putting the WoW window across the gap in the two screens, I was obliged to go for the Dual Mode...

Any advice on this, seeing as your experience in this post says Horizontal Span is better?

Thanks.

Rott.

[Nitro]

I am running Vista with an 8800gt and I don't have an Horizontal span option for the two monitors. I downloaded the drivers but still have no option for this. Is there an option somewhere else like Omega drivers or any such program?

Horizontal Span does not exist in windows vista

[shockernub]

Anyone know why, using keyclone maximizer, XP, two monitors (24 & 22") when i set it to horizontal view the two clones are behind the main chars window, even though in maximizer they are next to each other, I can not get the clones to appear on the second monitor despite how I set it up in maximizer. I can get the main window to overlap the two monitors but not appear entirely on the second monitor. I am running three accounts btw.

Does that make sense?

[keyclone]

G'morning Shocker,

what is the resolution of the 2 screens? then, hover your mouse over the maximizer area... is the highest x,y position close to that res?

also, what version are you running?

[shockernub]

G'morning Shocker,

what is the resolution of the 2 screens? then, hover your mouse over the maximizer area... is the highest x,y position close to that res?

also, what version are you running?
24 is 1900x1200 i think, 22 is 1650x1050, when in dual mode run them both at 1650x1050,,, in horizontal mode it is 3300x1050 i think.

by version are you referring to keyclone? I downloaded and purchased it this past weekend, not at home atm so can't check the version, but i believe it was the latest.

[shockernub]

G'morning Shocker,

what is the resolution of the 2 screens? then, hover your mouse over the maximizer area... is the highest x,y position close to that res?

also, what version are you running?
24 is 1900x1200 i think, 22 is 1650x1050, when in dual mode run them both at 1650x1050,,, in horizontal mode it is 3300x1050 i think.

by version are you referring to keyclone? I downloaded and purchased it this past weekend, not at home atm so can't check the version, but i believe it was the latest.





Still having this issue when running in horizontal view, which absolutely works better than dual view. I would love to run maximizer with two or three windows (just bought my fourth battlechest) :thumbsup: on the second monitor, but despite how I have maximizer set up within keyclone the windows are stacking when I run it, not side by side. This is with the latest version of keyclone, version i, I believe.


Currently I just have to run three seperate wow instances outside of maximizer and manually arrange them, not nearly as neat as with maximizer.
Any idea how or if it is possible to fix?

[moosejaw]

Are you properly assigning the Regions to seperate entries in the command section? Once you size a region and save it, you assign it to its own instance of WOW in the command section. Then make sure they are all set to run.

[shockernub]

Are you properly assigning the Regions to seperate entries in the command section? Once you size a region and save it, you assign it to its own instance of WOW in the command section. Then make sure they are all set to run.

I got it to work beautifully now, not sure exactly what was the problem, but I deleted all of my keyclone settings, and started fresh. I tested after each new window added, starting with windows on the second monitor.

Works great! :D

[Bamaboy]

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/9179/dualviewdy0.jpg

step-1

run WOW-1 on current primary display

step-2

switch current primary display to 2nd display ( while first wow session is running )

run WOW-2

done.

both wows will be using full speed of the videocard.Has anyone tried changing the resolution for (1280x1024) Main monitor and (800x600) 2nd monitor for 4 slaves after doing this XP Dual View method? It helps my fps to stay steady and less lag. Just wanted to give 2 cent.

[Starlord]

@Bamaboy
if u notice the Problem is under Windows Vista u use XP there is no problem with that kind of tricks..
and even ur Way wont work under vista...
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To clarify, I am plugging both monitors via DVI into the same nVidia graphics card. I can extend the desktop (or clone the display) just fine using the built in nVidia tool.


What I can't do is "span" the display across two monitors. This is somewhat different than the extended desktop functionality. For example, using horizontal span mode on monitors with native resolution of 1680x1050, I could run a full screen game at 3360x1050 and treat both monitors as essentially one large display. Under XP, this option was available in the nVidia tool, and was called horizontal span mode. I no longer have this option in vista, and it seems that, for some reasons I don't completely understand, this option is no longer available in vista (as indicated by landis).

After a lot of googling, I can't find any software based solution to this. So it seems like this is just yet another case of vista somehow providing less functionality than XP, but I'd like to be sure before giving up on it.


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Nvidea answer:


Horizontal and Vertical span modes are no longer available under Windows Vista.

Due to architectural changes in the new Windows Vista Window Display Driver Model (WDDM), span mode cannot be supported in NVIDIA graphics drivers. NVIDIA recommends using the built-in Windows Vista multi-display modes.


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Really I`m not anti Microsoft geek but after buying 2 22 inches monitor, new
HDD and Vista Ultimate 64bit and NVidia 280 card and after desperate search I found out
that horizontal span gone!!! You are joking. All cost me a lot of money and I
did it because of MSFS X and Dirext X X shit . All product legal and paid. What
disappointment, Microsoft!

[Wilbur]

The DirectX bug is fixed in Vista.

You don't NEED to use horizontal span.

[Meke]

The DirectX bug is fixed in Vista.

You don't NEED to use horizontal span.But if I want one big WoW window of resolution 3360x1050 spread over two monitors in Vista - is that possible in any way? I hope someone can help... I have set up the monitors with Dual View (no Horiz Span in Vista, as written elsewhere). But WoW does not give me the option of running at 3360x1050 - only at 1680x1050 (one monitor).

Meke

[triplef]

just upped to a quad core q6600 with 4 gig ram and 9800 gtx card.. running 2 new screens.. 22 incher LG(2245HD) via DVI @ 1600x1050 and and benq 1680x1050 (FP222WH) via DVI @1680x1050

Running forceware, 175.16
with control panel 1.5.2400.10

no spann here.. should i kill myself ? i need help


thanks

[BobGnarly]

Dual view isn't optimal, but it works, and if your machine is fairly powerful, might not be too bad.

Have you tried it?

[triplef]

hehehe i get 12 fps all high settings in dual view... fake span mode ( ultramon based) never tried with 1 monitor only ,, but in dual view i get 60fps all high farcry and BF2... so that shouldnt be a prob... and 30 fps 1 screen max is eastern plagueland ( vigils FP, so.. its not iron forge or anything..

no idea.. i SAW on the setup wizard i could span.. i did.. no change.. never see a 3200x1080 display anywhere......

[triplef]

doesn anyone know the last known spanning drivers number for xp ?

[Saqor]

Dual view isn't optimal, but it works, and if your machine is fairly powerful, might not be too bad.

Have you tried it? Dual View does not give the option of running one big WoW window spread across 2 monitors... at least not with my Geforce 7900GTX (using Vista). Horisontal Span does not exist in Vista, I know that part.. so it's impossible to run WoW @ 3360x1050 in Windows Vista?

[Saqor]

No news on this? Damn Vista!

[blau808]

Nope, I just upgraded to Vista Ultimate 64 and i wish I hadnt. NO HORIZONTAL SPAN WTF. Why should you get LESS features with an upgrade? Makes NO sense. :thumbdown:

I used to do it with NView on XP, but guess what, there's no NView support for Vista. I cant run two windows of WoW anymore because the framerate is horrible running dualview.

Why is there such a big difference in framerate between horizontal span and dualview anyway?

[Starlord]

Vista still dosent support Dual Span
Nvidea sayes we droped it cuz of Driver Specs..
and Mircrosoft says we dropped it cuz to many Errors..
unfortantly i think no there wont be an option in Future for Vista... cuz Vista is death because of Windows7
Dual View only extents the Desktop
not the View in Games wich is only one monitor
if u have 2 Montiors for Gaming Vista sux...
only option u have buy a slow Matrox trippelhead wich can...
As long Vista has no Dual Span its Death for me..
on the other Hand i understand why, they want games on Xbox.. but Xbox hast 2 Monitors ?
guess the switsched to many Gamesouroundingengeniers to the Xbox and forgott to think this feature through...
and thats why Vista dies...
most people wich use Mircosoft play also games on it...
if games dont work, they dont buy..