First impressions of new shaman dps / builds

[Blockalot]

Hi.

How are you all finding the new dps of the shamans? By the looks of the patch notes should be a decent PvE dps boost.

Anyone got any tried and tested talent trees? Im on EU server, so still got a while before i can have a go myself.

This is what i was thinking: http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?shaman=553000152021335132500351000000000000000000 000000000050500300000000000000000000&glyph=000000000000 (With 3 other points going where you fancy, obviously one shammy to take TOW)

Any other suggestions?

[Sam DeathWalker]

Looks good cept for me I move the 3 points in elemental weapons over to GW and Shamanistic focus.

Then get rid of Elemental Oath (2) and put those 2 and the 3 left over into reverberation.

[suicidesspyder]

Ok first thing totem of wrath is a MUST you see a good bit of difference and then put the other two in ghost wolf helps alot in pvp.

[Sam DeathWalker]

humm ToW does seem nice, maybe go 4 points to reverberation then one 1 for ToW

[Xinxo]

On my 5 I have the main spec'd like this:

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/shaman/talents.html?tal=553005150021035132501351005050131 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

and the other 4 like this:

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/shaman/talents.html?tal=553005150121035132500351005050131 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

[Fuzzyboy]

Then get rid of Elemental Oath (2) and put those 2 and the 3 left over into reverberation.You do realize that elemental oath now gives a +10% dmg buff when clearcasting right?

[Fuzzyboy]

Hi.

How are you all finding the new dps of the shamans? By the looks of the patch notes should be a decent PvE dps boost.

Anyone got any tried and tested talent trees? Im on EU server, so still got a while before i can have a go myself.

This is what i was thinking: http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?shaman=553000152021335132500351000000000000000000 000000000050500300000000000000000000&glyph=000000000000 (With 3 other points going where you fancy, obviously one shammy to take TOW)

Any other suggestions?I'll be visiting Trollgore later today, but my plan is to go with:

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?shaman=553000152321315132501351000000000000000000 000000000050500310000000000000000000&glyph=000000000000

[Volch0k]

Question; Do all shamans need 2 points in oath to get the 10% dmg buff when its activated?

[Sam DeathWalker]

It says you get 5 percent more probable to crit from elemental oath, after you crit.

Seems that .4 seconds off of 6 seconds is more dps ... well its umm 6.66 percent more dps on shock spells.

Ok assuming a crit is 100percnet more damage 5 percent probability is ummm 5 percent more dps, per player. For a group you get 25 percent more damage time the probaility you will get a crit and other will crit within 15 seconds ...

Well I guess its wise to get one EO per group then....

[Fuzzyboy]

Question; Do all shamans need 2 points in oath to get the 10% dmg buff when its activated?The tooltip says "In addition, while Clearcasting from Elemental Focus is active, _you_ deal 10% more spell damage" so I'm assuming the buff only applies to the individual shaman. The opposite would be insanely OP for raids :-)

[Sam DeathWalker]

http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=51470#comments

OK after you crit eveyone in your party has 5 percent chanch more to crit right?

[Fuzzyboy]

It says you get 5 percent more damage after a crit from elemental oath.

So how often do you crit?

Seems that .4 seconds off of 6 seconds is more dps ... well its umm 6.66 percent more dps on shock spells.

Well doh if the group wide though thats umm 5 X 5 or 25percent more damage after a crit. Is crit rate more then 25percnet or so?

Well I guess its wise to get one EO per group then....5 Pct when one point invested, 10 pct when two points invested.

And you logic is a bit flawed. First of all you percent increase calculation (.4 seconds off 6 seconds) is only relevant if you always cast your shock at the moment it's cooled down (which your 25-team might, but in a 5-man situation, doing so is a huge DPS loss). Also it's only x pct dps _on shock spells_ which is a very small part of your overall dps if you're going with a FS/LvB/LB rotation (especially since it doesn't even apply here - the only shock spell you'll be casting is FS every 18 secs and the odd earth/wind shock to interrupt).

[Fuzzyboy]

http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=51470#comments

OK after you crit eveyone in your party has 5 percent chanch more to crit right?Yes, that part hasn't changed in 3.0.8.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Rank 1 says 3 percent
Rank 2 says 5 percent


Well ya I am assuimg only using shock spells whic as you correctly point out is a smaller precentage of total dps.


But what is your crit probaility? Where did you read the damage component you are talking about? Lets assume its in the 3.0.8 patch.

So umm well I need to know the crit probaility of an average high level toon to see but ya it seems you are correct. I guess I should get it on one guy in each group.

In addition to existing effects, now increases spell
damage done by the Shaman by 5/10% while Elemental Focus Clearcasting
is active.

Right I found it. Well 10percnet more damage after you crit and 5 percnet more proablitliy to crit umm well.

[Fuzzyboy]

Rank 1 says 3 percent
Rank 2 says 5 percent


Well ya I am assuimg only using shock spells whic as you correctly point out is a smaller precentage of total dps.


But what is your crit probaility? Where did you read the damage component you are talking about? Lets assume its in the 3.0.8 patch.

So umm well I need to know the crit probaility of an average high level toon to see but ya it seems you are correct.You're talking about the crit part, I'm not :-)

With 2 points invested you get 5 pct crit increase and 10 pct spelldamage increase. With 1 point invested you get 3 pct crit increase and 5 pct spelldamage increse. The crit applies to the whole party/raid but stacking rules apply (i.e. no stacking with moonkin aura). The spelldmg part only applies to the individual shaman.

The spell damage part you can read about at mmo-champion, world of raids, wow insider and the patch notes (http://www.worldofraids.com/news/439.html). The ability is also updated on mmo-champions talent calculator, but not on wowhead yet.

[Niley]

here's my wws for naxx 25, my dps would had been higher, but we did it with 20 people, so patchwerk took 3 minutes, instead of 2:10 or so( we took out 5 dps from the raid)
I wonder if with this i can keep my no 1 elemental dps for patchwerk for 5th week straight >.<
http://wowwebstats.com/s4zwlpxwgvpoe?s=62203-97781

edit. Btw My highest dps was with hybrid spec, and I got to 5706 dps on patchwerk.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Ok your crit rate was 40-47 percent. so umm

lets say 1/2 the time you get 5 percent more to crit rate and 10 percent more to damage.

Thats like a constant 2.5 more to crit and 5 percent more damage.

So its about a rough 5 percent to your damage increase, and about 2.5 percent increase to others (not stack though). Well I guess that better then a flat 6.6 percent to shocks only.

But this is a 3 point spec for me as I dont use EM (just one more button to press ... ).



Actually I dont like reverb or the em/eo (more micro management) and gonna go with unrelenting storm instead (and thundering stricks to 5 points over in enhancement should cover my crits anyways):


http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/shaman/talents.html?tal=553005150121035132500351005050131 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

[Multibocks]

here's my wws for naxx 25, my dps would had been higher, but we did it with 20 people, so patchwerk took 3 minutes, instead of 2:10 or so( we took out 5 dps from the raid)
I wonder if with this i can keep my no 1 elemental dps for patchwerk for 5th week straight >.<
http://wowwebstats.com/s4zwlpxwgvpoe?s=62203-97781

edit. Btw My highest dps was with hybrid spec, and I got to 5706 dps on patchwerk.

I assume that the hybrid spec is now dead?

[puppychow]

Sam, specs while leveling are vastly different than specs at 80. While leveling your gear tends to be crap with little crit/hit/haste/etc, so talents that proc off crits and make use of haste are not very useful. At 80 as your gear improves some talents scale much better with gear than others. While leveling you just want to maximize your most common spells damage without specing into crit based talents, while at 80 you want to maximize how much damage each crit does since you are going to crit a lot more often (especially in raids with massive raid-wide buffs)

Phien - that PW wws shows that lightning bolt makes up 59% of your damage while Lava Burst is only 21%, which is the reason why I use flame tongue glyph over lava burst glyph, recount shows in heroics my LB's still heavily dominate in boss fights. I assume you manually apply shocks/LvB instead of /castrandom it, so you have nearly a perfect rotation and even still LvB is still less than half the damage of lightning bolt.

Still thats crazy DPS, do you flask up for Naxx25? My mage pulled around 4400 on PW last night unflasked but he still has some blues, I think the highest in our raid was a titan warrior in full t7.5 doing around 6k and a DK doing a little bit less.