Guide to getting Keyclone to work with EQ2

[PyrostasisTDK]

Most keycloners on the forums are playing wow, but there are a few of us who are interested in other games. Over the weekend I managed to get keyclone working with six clients in EQ2, and wanted to list how, for others who will be coming here looking.

Software you need.
Keyclone - http://solidice.com/keyclone/index.html
Innerspace - http://www.lavishsoft.com/innerspace/
**Update Rob is currently working on adding the "Lock forward" function to keyclone, hopefully we wont need innerspace much longer.

You will need a copy of EACH for EACH computer.
I.E. Three computers, Three Keyclones, and Three Innerspaces.

You need to decide on the number of toons you wish to run. I can run 4 clients on my system.
4200 dual core AMD
4 gigs of ram
8800 GTS 640 mg card

However its rather taxing and this is on extreme performance setting. Its stable enough to follow and cast with ease, but I seriously doubt I could run a 5th.

Test your hardware with 2 accounts, if its fluid, add another until you notice performance is hampered. Make sure you lower settings as needed. I run in extreme performance mode. Window mode is also needed so you can see all windows.

Once you have your hardware figured out, start up innerspace.

Right click on your innerspace icon in your task bar near the clock. Click Add game.
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Title it EQ2 select your main EQ2 directory. Innerspace may have EQ2 already setup for you, I shoot 50/50 on my fresh installs.
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Once you have EQ2 set up right click innerspace again, click configuration, and then game configuration.
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Select EQ2 and make sure Lock Foreground is checked, then click apply. Close it out.

Use innerspace to open up all your copys of EQ2, right click innerspace, click game name, click the default profile, I set mine up to directly link to the client and bypass patching, if you chose to do this you will need to patch anytime there is an update before you launch.
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I recommend logging all the way to the character to keep from having crashes, but feel free to do so as you see fit. Depending on your resolution your going to get some overlap. Set them up how you feel comfortable, here is how I run my 4.
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Now that you have all your EQ2's open and staring at you, click on your keyclone and make sure its open and clear of windows. Click Add and then click in the center of each EQ2 window. After each add and click, you should see IS1, IS2, etc etc list in keyclone, that shows the windows are getting registered.
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If it says Everquest, make sure you launched the program via innerspace and not by an icon.

If your using multiple computers make sure you add all clients the same way with key clone on that computer. Once both computers have all copys of eq2 added you will need to enter the ip address of each computer you wish to box with into the connect box. The ip is provided at the top of key clone, should look like 192.168.0.100 or something along those lines. FYI sometimes it is necessary to enter the port number, just copy it exactly like listed including the :. Enter the ip, click connect, and you should see the clients from the other pc. At this point your key clone should be functional.
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Click on an EQ2 window and press the space bar, if all things are functional all toons should jump.

Now before you get all excited, click on setup in keyclone and make sure you add to the do not pass list your movement keys, and anything else you plan on using on your main account but not on your subs.
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Also... to avoid embarrassment make sure you hit the override button (the pause key on your keyboard by default) before you chat to anyone. I made the mistake of doing a serverwide broadcast with all six of my toons answering someones newbie question 2 min after I set this up =)

If you have any questions feel free to PM me and I can try and help, Keyclone on this forum is also extremely fast at replying so hit him up too.

Im also on The Bazaar as TDKGuardian.

Hope this helps.

[PyrostasisTDK]

Any chance I can get this stickied on the newbie forums? The search function doesnt find it very easily (Searched for EQ2 guide and it was on page 12), and Im trying to spread the word to EQ2 folks I meet.
Im going to update it with graphics shortly.

[Diamndzngunz]

Nice guide. But you thought about adding color and images and that sort of stuff? I don't know about you but seeing that sort of stuff it a tutorial makes it alot more easy to understand.

[Ellay]

Definitely add some screenshots and expand upon it and I'll slap it up as a sticky :)

[PyrostasisTDK]

working on that now

[PyrostasisTDK]

Ok updated with photos, my first guide so may not be perfect, if there's something you feel needs to be added please let me know. Otherwise STICKEH!

[asgradth]

A most excellent Guide. I just got done firing up three accounts (working on a fourth) in EQ2 and they were all jumping in sync! I only wish there was a way to use the Maximizer w/ Innerspace... I'll play around with some settings and some of the other Lavish tools and update this post if I figure it out. This may seriously impede future sleep :D

[PyrostasisTDK]

Innerspace has its own version of maximizer, the problem is unlike wow that can have any resolution you can think up EQ2 MUST have 1024x768 or higher. If you force it smaller, you lose everything outside that window. (Think covering up your game window with a cardboard box you cant see through.

Technically you could move your bars and such to the top of the screen, the problem comes in if a GM msg's you or something you cant see it, and responding would be blind.

However the commands can be found in this thread. ('http://www.lavishsoft.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3836')

Rob is working on getting the force to front feature working, then we can just cut innerspace out all together.

[James804]

I've noticed the "lock forward" option was added under the command editor, but don't know how to use it.
Am interested in using keyclone for EQ2 but with livegamer's potential "warden" style monitoring, not sure I want to mess with innerspace (not to mention the additional fees).

[PyrostasisTDK]

Livegamers monitoring is strictly on their site not in game from what I have heard. Im not a big fan of Innerspace either... but until Rob gets it working I dont really have much of a choice. Hopefully there will be a new keyclone release soon and the lockforward will be the answer to the problem!

Besides... livegamer is still 2 - 3 weeks away unfortunately.

[James804]

Yeah I contacted LG CS and they said something similar to that idea they'd only be monitoring for sales/buyer fraud...but that doesn't mean LG couldn't be giving SOE the tools for them to use autonomously of LG in the game environment.

We'll see though...I'm hoping the lock forward thing might work out, and have also asked about how sending mouse clicks to other PCs might work, IE would it mirror mouse movements across 3 systems at the same time for example? If so you could at least set up a couple of instances on each box and just go back and forth between 2 windows.

[Libel]

Gratz for your tutorial!

I'm using myself Innerspace as it is the only solution to use keyclone with EQ2. I'm anxious as well to have this feature worknig 100% in Keyclone so that I won't need any other app.

[asgradth]

Innerspace has its own version of maximizer, the problem is unlike wow that can have any resolution you can think up EQ2 MUST have 1024x768 or higher. If you force it smaller, you lose everything outside that window. (Think covering up your game window with a cardboard box you cant see through.

Technically you could move your bars and such to the top of the screen, the problem comes in if a GM msg's you or something you cant see it, and responding would be blind.
That is correct, however, using ProfitUI configured for 1024x768, I moved all the windows/bars into 640x480 'frame', centered in the top left of the window. I then loaded up Keyclone (without innerspace) and configured 3 bottom windows that overlap slightly at 800x600 through maximizer, with my tank on a 4th top window which stretches across the entire monitor (22" wide screen). I then reconfigured the 640x480 'frame' UI to fit in the 800x600 windows, saved it, and loaded it on the other two bottom 800x600 windows. It does cut out the actual game screen on the bottom and right side, but with the windows configured properly, all you miss is a bit of peripheral vision and you can't see your feet anymore in 3rd person mode.

Considering what is gained and what is lost, I'm willing to accept it. Quad Boxing on one machine frikkin rules. When we can do this without Innerspace, man... life will be GOOD!

Again, thanks for all of ya'lls hard work!

[PyrostasisTDK]

thats a good idea with the ui, I may have to give that a shot

[James804]

Anybody know if linking keyclones from one box to another box also lets mouseclicks and position clone as well?

IE set up two instances 50/50 split screen on 3 boxes...then just click back and forth to activate 3 instances at a time?

That seems to be the only option I've got at this time, unless I want to go the innerspace route.

[PyrostasisTDK]

I tried it about 5 - 6 months ago and couldnt get it functional, but that doesnt mean it wont work now. Ill test it here in a few when I get home. I keep hoping Rob will get a new release out, I may have to send Tony and Vito over to rough him up!

[wintersb]

What computer specifications do you think is needed for playing two chars, in WoW? :S

[PyrostasisTDK]

Not sure, we do EQ2.

[James804]

FYI I petitioned EQ2 customer support and asked about being able to use keyclone specifically, and was told it should be fine as long as it doesn't automate play. I did not mention innerspace though, because I'm hoping there will be a workaround soon and I know that software is associated with some automation programs.

Specific Response:
Reference # 080415-000788
(TSR Richard M.) 04/16/2008 03:06 PM

Hi James,

As long as you don't use it for unattended automation in the game, it shouldn't be a problem.

If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to ask.
Best regards,
Richard

[PyrostasisTDK]

No worries, Im headed to home depot now to pick up a blow torch and a pair of pliers. We will have our update...oh yes....

[Slistak]

did new update to Keyclone - add: added lockInForeground capability to commands, useful for some games (UNTESTED)
eliminate the need for innerspace?

[keyclone]

no.. not yet.

[PyrostasisTDK]

No robs being a slow ass =(
**pouts**

I missed my last week of EQ2 sub and its ALL HIS FAULT! **goes back to aiming his sniper rifle at rob's windows**

[wend]

Hey all. New to the forums but been multi-boxing in one form or another since the early days of EQ. Just so I am clear, as of now the only way to multibox in EQ2 is a combo of keyclone and IS?

[PyrostasisTDK]

For now yes.

[Cdrx]

Is innerspace currently required for EQ1? Keyclone doesnt seem to want to work after passing the login screen. (PEQ server, not live, old client)

[James804]

Thought I'd give it a while before I brought this back up...but haven't seen anything in recent notes or "on the docket"

Was curious if EQ2 still isn't functional with keyclone without the use of additional software (IE lock-in-foreground)

[Binaryzero]

as of now it is still required for same box toons, for different boxes, keyclone should work with no issues.

[Crimok]

Hi guys,
A couple of days ago someone write here in the forum that you no longer need any other app than keyclone to multibox differnet toons in everquest 2 on one machine. Is this true :?:

[depechenode]

as of now it is still required for same box toons, for different boxes, keyclone should work with no issues.I can not get keyclone to work without IS using two accounts on two separate pcs. I have two registered copies of keyclone, one one each pc. When I fire them up, and connect to each other, then run one account of eq2 on each pc, the two will not pass the same key when pressed. Unless I use IS. Is there something I am doing wrong? Could you please post how you are using no IS with two pcs and two registered copies of Keyclone?

[keyclone]

in that configuration, you just have to make sure EQ is the foreground application and has focus.
if not, please let me know

[PyrostasisTDK]

I have been waiting for keyclone to update before I tried EQ2 again, but Ill go ahead and fire up two pc's and test to see if I can get keyclone to work on 2 pcs with 1 client on each. Previously... I couldnt get it to work, but others reported it working. Ill report back in a few hours once I have it verified.

[PyrostasisTDK]

Confirmed and verified that Keyclone does not work with EQ2 on 2 computers, 2 keyclones, and 1 client each. The windows were added manually, just like wow, the windows show on both keyclones windows.

EQ2 is the active app on both pcs.

When I press space bar, the pc Im on jumps, but the clone wont, however the little .....O.... moves back and forth on both copys of keyclone.

So, with out innerspace, keyclone is a no go for EQ2, verified with version 1.8k on 08/02/08

[depechenode]

That is exactly what i am experiencing.

[Binaryzero]

I was going by what KC had said, I never got it to work(I always thought I just missed something), I have always had to use interspace. I can tell there Hotkeynet was making great strides in getting it to work, but I no longer play EQ2 thus no longer able to work on it.

[PyrostasisTDK]

I would love to have an app that didnt require innerspace, as would a fairly decent amount of EQ2 boxers... but atm there just arent any other options sadly.

[Binaryzero]

go check out hotkeynet's site, we were very close to making it work, all of my configs are posted there...

[ObesAU]

Is innerspace still the only way to do this ?

(mainly looking at eq1 but eq2 has similar limitations)

[stacks3]

Hi,

I followed this guide exactly and still cannot get KeyClone to work with EQ2. I am running one EQ2 client per computer and just trying to get it working with two computers for a start. InnerSpace is installed on both machines (using the same login/password, but it seems to let me run two copies so I don't think that is the issue) and configured with the "run in foreground" option checked off. When I load the game using InnerSpace, the window on each computer reads "is1 (ctrl+alt+1)". I am using one copy of KeyClone for both computers, so that could be the issue in itself... but I am just trying to figure if that is the case or not - I'd be happy to buy another copy if I know it is going to work.

Once the game was running I started KeyClone on each computer and pressed add and clicked on the game window on each computer, which added "is1 (crtl+alt+1)". Then I typed in the IP of the other computer and it added the computer name and again "is1 (ctrl+alt+1)" underneath. Anyway, I then go into the game and start trying to press buttons... no input is going through to the second computer. On KeyClone the little ....0.... thing is moving around on both systems, so I know there's communication, but as far as the game is concerned it is not working. If I press the override key (pause) then a "MUTE" comes up on both comps. I'm not sure what the issue is, unless it has something to do with both computers running windows called "is1" - but I have no idea how I would be able to change that either, since it is over the network. One system is using XP and the other Vista. If I run both accounts from one system, it works fine.

Any help/ideas would be appreciated... I only have a week or something of trial InnerSpace and didn't want to buy it unless I could get this working.

[PyrostasisTDK]

Strange, not sure whats up, but Im more than willing to help out if your still trying to get it working. You can contact me here via pm's or send me a msg on xfire at PyrostasisTDK.

[pooprscooper]

I'm trying to use this with SWG. Is there a way to pass mouseclicks to all clients?

[Ironman]

Hi,

I followed this guide exactly and still cannot get KeyClone to work with EQ2. I am running one EQ2 client per computer and just trying to get it working with two computers for a start. InnerSpace is installed on both machines (using the same login/password, but it seems to let me run two copies so I don't think that is the issue) and configured with the "run in foreground" option checked off. When I load the game using InnerSpace, the window on each computer reads "is1 (ctrl+alt+1)". I am using one copy of KeyClone for both computers, so that could be the issue in itself... but I am just trying to figure if that is the case or not - I'd be happy to buy another copy if I know it is going to work.

Once the game was running I started KeyClone on each computer and pressed add and clicked on the game window on each computer, which added "is1 (crtl+alt+1)". Then I typed in the IP of the other computer and it added the computer name and again "is1 (ctrl+alt+1)" underneath. Anyway, I then go into the game and start trying to press buttons... no input is going through to the second computer. On KeyClone the little ....0.... thing is moving around on both systems, so I know there's communication, but as far as the game is concerned it is not working. If I press the override key (pause) then a "MUTE" comes up on both comps. I'm not sure what the issue is, unless it has something to do with both computers running windows called "is1" - but I have no idea how I would be able to change that either, since it is over the network. One system is using XP and the other Vista. If I run both accounts from one system, it works fine.

Any help/ideas would be appreciated... I only have a week or something of trial InnerSpace and didn't want to buy it unless I could get this working. Sorry to dig up a old post but I had the same problem and after hour's of digging.I finaly figured out what was wrong.In Vista you need to open keyclone with Run as a adminstration. You just right click it to get the option.Without admin privalages the keyclone wont send out any info.Hope this helps somebody else like me.

[Tekai]

Hey guys, Any update with using only keyclone with EQ2?

I cannot get it to work with 2 computers 1 account each. I have 2 copies of keyclone, but do not want to invest another 30 dollars in inner space for both machines.

Here is hoping for new info.

P.S. Rob , whyle friendly told me there was nothing he could do "after" i purchased another copy of keyclone...

[MiRai]

Hey guys, Any update with using only keyclone with EQ2?

I cannot get it to work with 2 computers 1 account each. I have 2 copies of keyclone, but do not want to invest another 30 dollars in inner space for both machines.

Here is hoping for new info.

P.S. Rob , whyle friendly told me there was nothing he could do "after" i purchased another copy of keyclone...
1) Holy shit man, if you want new info you should make a new post and not revive a post that was initially created almost 3 years ago.

2) Rob doesn't post on these forums anymore for some unknown reason.

3) IS has a free trial and works on up to 5 computers with the same license. While your post doesn't exactly mention buying 2 IS licenses, the wording confused me a little at 3AM so I thought I would just add #3.

4) ???

5) Profit

[Khatovar]

You can also use HotKeyNet if you don't want to spend more money.

http://www.hotkeynet.com/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=19

[Tekai]

If i had made a new thread, someone would have yelled at me for not using the search function.

Hotkey net will not work for what I'm trying to do.

[Khatovar]

Maybe some information on what you are trying to do, because all I've got so far is you want to use 2 computers, each running 1 copy of EQ2, which should be possible.

EQ2 requires windows to be in focus in order for actions to be accepted, this functionality is not available with Keyclone.

[Tekai]

That is why I bumped the thread friend...

If you read it you will find that it says you require IS even if you are using multiple computers.

Please do not be so angry that I am asking a question =p

I know you believe that it should work with 2 keyclone and 2 computers, but it does not.


The computers are set up properly with keyclone. The keystrokes are sent between the two computers if I use a text document ect. When I open up eq2 and both of them to the keyclone window, the key strokes are not sent. the little ..0... goes back and forth showing they are connected, but I cannot control both characters.

I was just hoping someone had found a free alternative to innerspace to get keyclone to work with EQ2.

[Khatovar]

I have read the thread. I said it will NOT work with just Keyclone, as have several others in this thread. Your options are ISboxer, or possibly HotKeyNet, which you simply said won't work. However seeing as HotKeyNet has a forum for using it for EQ2, it stands to reason that it should work.