[US] Pre-BC Raiding Guild

[Unholy[S]haman]

EDITED POST TO UPDATE IT AND INCLUDE MORE INFORMATION


Hey guys, my friends and my self started up a Pre-BC raiding guild – First let me tell a bit more before you judge us.

*Short Version Below*

*Long Version:*

There are times in wow when you really feel like you are getting bored with WoW, but don't want to stop, maybe because of friends? Addictions?
Doesn't matter, we all get that feeling once in a while.
Eventually my friends and my self realized that we could pretty much clear all WOTLK content within 2 days, 3 days maximum so we tried to find other ways to entertain ourselves. We tried pvp, tried dailies, finishing left over quests, farming badges gear, achievements and so on..but we needed something more. So we decided to start doing Pre-BC and BC raids to try collect some of the old tier sets. We cleared every raid possible, collecting sets, having fun, meeting new people and so on. This lasted quite a while and gave us something new to do.
We even started working on legendaries (mostly the ones from BC – my Sulfuras is almost complete)
This gave us an idea. So we all rerolled alts, or joined on current below 60 alts – same server and faction (Stormrage Alliance) - and then leveled them to 60, some are still leveling them.
Our aim was to twink them at level 60 with PvP gear and any Tier loot available.
Our first day of raiding was a terrific success, we first headed to Onyxia and downed her, then continued to full clear Zul'Gurub, Molten Core and Anh'Qui..ah skrew it I wan't spell it – AQ40
Our guild bank got really stocked up on rep items from ZG, MC and AQ40 and Tier 1 BOEs from MC.
Many of us even managed to grab several AQ40 special mounts which were really cool.
We continued to clear within the next two days; Onyxia and Zul'Gurub again (they reset the next day) as well as Blackwing Lair which went really smoothely once again.


*Short Version*
Group of friends and my self rerolled alts or joined on below 60 alts in order to level them to 60 and become level 60 twinks in both PvP and PvE gear.
Our aim is to experience Pre-BC as realistically as possible again (for some its for the first time) seeing as it was the time where the game was exactly that...a game for enjoyment. It was Blizzards dream. It is so different from BC and WOTLK – unalted by player demands and people who want welfare epics.
*Guild Information*
Game Version: United States
Server: Stormrage
Faction: Alliance
Guild Name: <Apathic>
Guild Website: Coming soon


*Contact Information*
Wisper/Send mail to: Nhanced, Apathic, Ruinic, Sentric or Caendra ingame
Email: eric@nhancedgaming.com ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/mailto:eric@nhancedgaming.com')


*Guild Specifics*
Raid Attendance: We do not require a specific amount of raid attendance, however after 1 month inactivity your character will be removed from the guild
Raid Days: We aim to raid mostly on Fridays and Saturdays since most guilds do not raid then (mains needing to raid and so on) – ZG and Onyxia will be cleared on weekends and during week because of their 3 and 5 day reset timers
Raid Times: We normally start sending invites out at 2-3 Server time (Its +- Us California time as far as I know) and we normally do 3-4 raids so your welcome to join us when ever you can (raids will normally go on for 2-6 hours, sometimes take breaks in between)
Looting: We do not use any DKP or limitations when receiving loot, however we do expect guild members to be thoughtful of others and think of who is rolling against them, maybe they need it more.
We do normally have a couple of higher levels running with us to assist us with the runs partly because we do not yet have enough members to fill the raid (only 1 week of establishment).
When higher levels do run with us, guild members get priority on loot.
You are not limited to a set amount of items per run so you may receive as many as you win the roll for however we do ask you to be considerate.


*Regards to leveling past level 60*
Many of us purchased an additional account to dual box to level 60 using the Refer/Recruit-a-friend system (triple experience gained) – it only costs about US$ 20 (We only bought a vanilla wow account upgrade for the RAF trial.
By doing so has many benefits such as the mentioned triple experience. Other benefits would be that you cannot level past 60 as well as being able to play your main + one of your new RAF characters to gear it up.
However if you are not able to or don't want to buy another account, don't worry there are alternatives to prevent you from leveling past 60. to start off you can enter level 60 raid dungeons at level 50 so this allows you to attain gear early without being leveled from any level 60 endgame boss kills or quests (attunements and class quests etc).
Being in a raid group means that the experience gained from killing mobs is vastly reduced.
[I was getting between 5 and 27 experience per trash kill and about 100 experience per boss kill at level 54 – We did Onyxia, ZG, MC and AQ40 in one day and only gained 1.5% of a level]
We do wish for everyone who joins our guild to stay with us at level 60 at least for a little while and enjoy doing PvP with us as well as helping out in raids however we do not force you to do anything, I just don't want this guild to be seen as a way to gear up fresh 60s so they can level fast in outlands.

P.S. Yes we know we can only twink in the AV pvp bracket, for the rest of the brackets we are the lowbies - Doesn't matter, we find if they appreciate people in Tier2 they tend to listen better to them + more honor.
It also gives us a chance for a bit more of a challenge and see what teamwork can achieve.

So yeah, come join us! If you haven't had a chance to experience what real Pre-BC was like it features some of the toughest and challenging solo quests where attaining certain items at that level truly was an achievement.
We do offer help in leveling, especially if you choose Recruit a Friend option since you normally gain 1-4 levels per run through instances.
However one thing you must understand is that we offer help, you don't beg for it.
We try to maintain an adult atmosphere in the guild and be very supportive of each other.

[Svpernova09]

Couple of questions:

What days / times are you running?
Do you have any attendance requirements?
Do you allow 60+ to run (all of my accounts are wrath)

I have tons of characters but I didn't get to see much pre-BC raiding. I have tons of BC raiding experience Kara -> Mother in BT. And Wrath raiding experience. Give me a shout I'd be interested in some more info.

[Unholy[S]haman]

Hey thanks for asking those questions, I guess I should have added them in.

Most of our raids are on Friday/Saturdays. We normally start raids at about 3 US time and then continue for however long we can.
Its possible that ZG and Onyxia will be on the list for during the week since they reset twice a week and are very short. Same with World Outdoor Bosses.

There is no attendance requirement and we do not use DKP or any form of hardcore council. The loot is still master looter most of the time and normally we do not limit you to how many items per run you can recieve.
We do expect members to be thoughtful of others and think of others who are rolling against them, maybe they need it more?

Yes we do allow level 60s + to run with us. Normally I would raid on my level 80 paladin tank and main tank for the guild, then bring my priest with to tag along (on my other account).
Alot of our members have two accounts and sometimes do this. Others might not need anything from the given raid dungeon and then would come help out on their higher levels as well. At times we do have to pug in more for raids such as AQ40 and sometimes BWL because of the difficult nature of the raid.

When we pug higher levels from outside the guild, we tell them straight away that this is indeed a level 60 twink guild and they are encouraged to pass on loot for the benefit of the twinks. If we get to loot where a twink rolls and an external higher level rolls we discuss with them what it is worth to them and try to convince to rather give it to the lower levels. We do try to maintain a fair system given that they are helping us as well, but most are just there for achievements or fun.

If you do have a higher level that you wish to join the guild with and actually be your main raider. You can talk to me in game and we can try to find a solution in terms of how looting will work.
Hope that answered your questions ;)

[d0z3rr]

What classes do you need the most?

[Svpernova09]

Thanks, I'll look for you in game.

[elroddo]

I'm on stormrage also, friends with one of your members and he told me what you guys are doing. I'd be interested in getting an alt into the guild, and I'm also a boxer (lost my password on here and the retrieve password feature doesn't work for me for some reason). I'm planning on making another Dk, I have 2 I solo play, 1 horde, 1 alliance as I learn the class. I also have a 53 pally. And I can also help out with clearing trash, as I have multiple higher level Toons on different accounts. If ya see me on (usually on roddo, or roddk) send me a tell, or ask Tartan if he knows how to get ahold of me.

[Unholy[S]haman]

Awesome, sorry I havn't replied or been online in game, been out for the last two days and kinda recovering still.
But I should be on properly in a few hours time as soon as my friends finally leave.

[Unholy[S]haman]

Hi d0z3rr sorry I didn't see your question. I was very distracted this morning with people at my house and just grabbed 5 mins to check the net. I am now free and will be online for the next 10 hours or so.
Currently we have these classes ready to raid all between 54 and 60.
Hunter: 1
Priest: 1
Shaman: 2
Warlock: 1
Paladin: 1
Death Knight: 5
Rogue: 0
Warrior: 1
Druid: 1
Mage: 0


Need rogues because none at all
Need mages because none at all
Need hunters because the 1 is my alt but normally I will play with my main tank on that account so he wont really be raiding, the other hunter is pretty decked out in gear already
Need priests because currently we only have 1 priest, mine who is fairly geared now too so soon we will need someone to pick up the loot.
Our druid and shamans havn't raided with us yet so we don't know what their raid attendance will be like.

My next team that I am leveling up is a warrior and a druid. I'm going to try make the warrior a tank because it would be nice to give others a feel of what is was like for a level 60 to tank these instead of my level 80, but that might be a bit problematic due to any level 80 mains that join us pulling agro but we will see.

It really is your choice though, we are open to anyone that wishes to come no matter what their class is like.

[Unholy[S]haman]

Just so you guys know, we going to be doing Onyxia and Blackwing Lair this afternoon. Onyxia hopefully within the next hour or two then blackwing lair afterwards. For anyone that has 50-60s that would like to join or even higher levels to come help us out.
We do expect a full clear, so achievement is at hand as well.

[Coltimar]

I won't be joining you, but I think it's totally awesome. I LOVE the old stuff. In my first guild we did a guild UBRS every day and we all busted our humps so we could get in that raid. Finally we were doing 2 so we could get ready for the new 40 man dungeon (MC). I have, literally, ran UD Strat hundreds of times and I still love it. The original content interests me so much more than BC and beyond. Kudos and good luck.

[elroddo]

I won't be online until Wednesday probably, I work a 4 days on 4 days off schedule with 12 hours a day, so when I get home on the days I work its family first, and wow is down the list. I'll try and get with you later on in the week. Currently I have a 45 priest, 45 druid and 5 45 shamans besides what I already mentioned, so I could level any of those up to help out. I can put 4 shamans on follow with my 80 hunter and probably level them up fairly quickly, even though they no longer have raf. Or i could drag my priest, druid or pally and 3 shamans behind my 73 lock.

[TheBigBB]

My 10 man multibox on Garona US will be doing as much raid content as possible including 60 and 70 content once I'm leveled up. I'm definitely looking forward to it.

[e46m]

<blockquote class="wysiwygQuote" linkhref="index.php?page=Thread&postID=168020#post168020" username="Unholyhaman">Hey thanks for asking those questions, I guess I should have added them in.

Most of our raids are on Friday/Saturdays. We normally start raids at about 3 US time and then continue for however long we can.
Its possible that ZG and Onyxia will be on the list for during the week since they reset twice a week and are very short. Same with World Outdoor Bosses.

There is no attendance requirement and we do not use DKP or any form of hardcore council. The loot is still master looter most of the time and normally we do not limit you to how many items per run you can recieve.
We do expect members to be thoughtful of others and think of others who are rolling against them, maybe they need it more?

Yes we do allow level 60s + to run with us. Normally I would raid on my level 80 paladin tank and main tank for the guild, then bring my priest with to tag along (on my other account).
Alot of our members have two accounts and sometimes do this. Others might not need anything from the given raid dungeon and then would come help out on their higher levels as well. At times we do have to pug in more for raids such as AQ40 and sometimes BWL because of the difficult nature of the raid.

When we pug higher levels from outside the guild, we tell them straight away that this is indeed a level 60 twink guild and they are encouraged to pass on loot for the benefit of the twinks. If we get to loot where a twink rolls and an external higher level rolls we discuss with them what it is worth to them and try to convince to rather give it to the lower levels. We do try to maintain a fair system given that they are helping us as well, but most are just there for achievements or fun.

If you do have a higher level that you wish to join the guild with and actually be your main raider. You can talk to me in game and we can try to find a solution in terms of how looting will work.
Hope that answered your questions ;)

Ruins the concept, in my opinion. It'll end up being a bunch of 80s blowing through old school content in a few days. Keep it 60 only or raid at 80.

[Unholy[S]haman]

double post

[Unholy[S]haman]

Indeed it's not quite perfect however we are only now entering our second week of establishment. It is a little tricky trying to find 40 people immediately who want to raid pre-bc but we are eventually getting there and out aim is to be able to start running raids just with level 60s.

Also...just a side note...you kind of sound a bit rude as if your demanding that we run the guild they way you want it..


Ruins the concept, in my opinion. It'll end up being a bunch of 80s blowing through old school content in a few days. Keep it 60 only or raid at 80.We really are just a bunch of people trying to have fun. We do not want to be an absolutely hardcore guild.
You must realize that most guilds who saw AQ40 and naxx were indeed fairly hardcore, and very strict with there members - iv been there and done that.

Right now our aim is to allow people to experience a little bit what it was like pre-bc. This won't be perfect because BC and WOTLK are already out so the environment is impossible to be identical to pre-bc, however we do make the best of it.
If this means that we need to bring in a few level 80s, then so be it. None of our members seem to have a problem with it and we still run places like UBRS and Strat together as a guild which back then was quite an achievement.
Maybe one day we can start running ZG and AQ20 on our own without aid but I think MC, BWL and AQ40 are a bit unlickely, maybe first few bosses of MC.

You also need to understand that raiding isnt the only thing pre-bc, thats the beauty of it, the pvp is much more interesting, there are amazing quest lines that are really hard and some of the most fun quests I have ever done.

[Svpernova09]

Ruins the concept, in my opinion. It'll end up being a bunch of 80s blowing through old school content in a few days. Keep it 60 only or raid at 80.Who cares?

What peaked my interest was the *fun* part. To see that content (which I never did save 1 pre BC MC run) in a *fun* environment sounds great to me.


I plan on joining you guys, I've got RAF on 2 accounts and I'm thinking of moving a 70 over to boost up a couple toons. My only issue is I raid 3 nights a week on my main druid and have no intentions of leaving that toon. If you guys are cool with me dropping in when I can, I'll figure out which classes and get a toon transferred this weekend. I don't really care about loot as my accounts are all Wrath so I'd be leveling them to cap at some point, I'd rather see content than worry about who gets what.

[Unholy[S]haman]

Ruins the concept, in my opinion. It'll end up being a bunch of 80s blowing through old school content in a few days. Keep it 60 only or raid at 80.Who cares?

What peaked my interest was the *fun* part. To see that content (which I never did save 1 pre BC MC run) in a *fun* environment sounds great to me.


I plan on joining you guys, I've got RAF on 2 accounts and I'm thinking of moving a 70 over to boost up a couple toons. My only issue is I raid 3 nights a week on my main druid and have no intentions of leaving that toon. If you guys are cool with me dropping in when I can, I'll figure out which classes and get a toon transferred this weekend. I don't really care about loot as my accounts are all Wrath so I'd be leveling them to cap at some point, I'd rather see content than worry about who gets what.That no problem.
What days do you raid? We plan most of our raids for Fridays and Saturdays because guilds don't normally raid those days.
We will of course do ZG and Onyxia during the week due to its 3 and 5 day reset timers. Some times what we would do is raid Molten Core during the week up to Majordomo. there after we need 7 people with Aqual Quintessence to douse all the rune flames in the instance in order to summom Majordomo. So what I then do is ask my friends who have Aqual Quintessence and my self go in and douse a flame each, come back an hour later or the next day or when ever (has an hour cooldown if you have enough reputation) so that by the weekend all the Runes have been doused and we can talk in an kill Majordomo and Ragnaros, then move on to another raid.

I just realized as I typed this now that in the upcomming patch they will be removing the need for Aqual Quintessence which to me is a real shame. It means that just anyone can walk in and kill Ragnaros...Aqual Quintessence played a HUGE role behind Molten Core raids and to remove it is a shame. Admitedly it would make my life easier as a raid leader planning out Pre-BC raids but I also like my guild to enjoy at least a little bit of what it was like back then and what "difficult" and "epic" really meant.

Luckily I think alot of our members already understand that and many of them are striving to attain their full dungeon set items and upgrade them to dungeon set 2. This is what is great aboutt he atmosphere of the guild, its fairly easy to raid but we have this.."air" or "aura" about the guild that actually really makes you believe you are pre-bc.

Anyways this guild has really rekindled my interest in WoW on a whole new level and I hope some of you may get a chance to experience this for your selves too.

[badashh]

I want a Screeny of a Warrior dual wielding Thunderfury and The hand of Ragnaros. That would be legendary.

[Unholy[S]haman]

Well my friend has Sulfuras, Hand of Ragnaros + 1 Thunderfury binding, he farms MC each week for his other binding.

I my self have the Sulfuron Hammer (insane mats needed to make it). You comebine the Sulfuron Hammer with the Eye of Ragnaros (which drops off ragnaros at a 3% drop rate, in order to make Sulfuras, Hand of Ragnaros and I farm MC each week for a TF binding and the eye as well so its just a matter of time... :)

[TheBigBB]

Well on the topic of fun versus hardcore, I actually can't have fun unless content is challenging, however I think that doing 60 content with level 80s can still be hard especially if you have numbers issues or only a few people or one person boxing it. The content was made for 40 people so it can still take a while if you don't have numbers. Like Twin Emperors you have to do 1 million damage to the caster boss (and 1.6 million to the melee if you have melee, otherwise....) so even at 80 that could take 10 minutes with all their warping around.

[Svpernova09]

Tried to create a dk and a team to boost and can't atm. Server qued so creation is disabled. Will try to get in and at least create toons in the morning

[elroddo]

Did a full MC run today, got 3 epics for my 53 pally. lotta fun, anyone interested come on over to stormrage and try this out. Had a few level 80s come in and try to pull half the zone at the start, but once they left went pretty smoothly. All and all a fun experience.

[parallax]

This sounds like fun.. I've got a lv52 rogue that's been sitting around for awhile (which is perfect in this case). I'll make contact in-game sometime this weekend. Who do I talk to about specifics?

[Unholy[S]haman]

I will be away tomorrow (Friday) So I should be back Saturday. You can talk to Nhanced/Apathic/Ruinic/Sentric/Caendra (Me, ill be on either of those characters). Or if online Uther (has a funny ascii somewhere) or Tartan.
Just do a /who Apathic and it will bring up a list of all guild members online, if neither the above mentioned are online i'm sure other members will help you out.

[Unholy[S]haman]

bump

[d0z3rr]

I decided I will transfer my nelf 63 rogue to the server. Haven't played him in forever, and surprisingly you need rogues. Not sure when I'll get around to it, probably next paycheck.

This rogue has a certain sentimental value as he was my first WoW character I ever created. Sadly, I hate night elfs now, and I actually hate his name. LOL. I was such a noob back then......

It'll be nice to play combat spec again!

[valkry]

If you want to experience old content raiding to it's fullest, have a lvl 60 warrior tank.

[Tasty]

If you want to experience old content raiding to it's fullest, have a lvl 60 warrior tank.

And a group of 60 pallies spamming heals :P

[valkry]

And priests not allowed to be shadow or disc, hunters afk at the back, locks pulling aggro along with rogues, druids only allowed to be resto and HAVE to give innervate to a priest, mages are all frost until AQ and naxx.

[Unholy[S]haman]

I decided I will transfer my nelf 63 rogue to the server. Haven't played him in forever, and surprisingly you need rogues. Not sure when I'll get around to it, probably next paycheck.

This rogue has a certain sentimental value as he was my first WoW character I ever created. Sadly, I hate night elfs now, and I actually hate his name. LOL. I was such a noob back then......

It'll be nice to play combat spec again!You might wanna hold off on that, I will explain later today when I get home.

[Unholy[S]haman]

Tried to create a dk and a team to boost and can't atm. Server qued so creation is disabled. Will try to get in and at least create toons in the morning
Should be fine now.


Did a full MC run today, got 3 epics for my 53 pally. lotta fun, anyone interested come on over to stormrage and try this out. Had a few level 80s come in and try to pull half the zone at the start, but once they left went pretty smoothly. All and all a fun experience.
Indeed we did have a few arrogant people but they got kicked and sorted out very quickly. After that it was a successful run.


This sounds like fun.. I've got a lv52 rogue that's been sitting around for awhile (which is perfect in this case). I'll make contact in-game sometime this weekend. Who do I talk to about specifics?
I will be away tomorrow (Friday) So I should be back Saturday. You can talk to Nhanced/Apathic/Ruinic/Sentric/Caendra (Me, ill be on either of those characters). Or if online Uther (has a funny ascii somewhere) or Tartan.
Just do a /who Apathic and it will bring up a list of all guild members online, if neither the above mentioned are online i'm sure other members will help you out.


I decided I will transfer my nelf 63 rogue to the server. Haven't played him in forever, and surprisingly you need rogues. Not sure when I'll get around to it, probably next paycheck.

This rogue has a certain sentimental value as he was my first WoW character I ever created. Sadly, I hate night elfs now, and I actually hate his name. LOL. I was such a noob back then......

It'll be nice to play combat spec again!

You might wanna hold off on that, I will explain later today when I get home.
What I might suggest instead of transfering your level 63 rogue to the server, which will cost 15 USD. Rather use the recruit-a-friend option to recruit your self and then upgrade to a vanilla wow account (costs 20 USD).
This way you can benefit from the triple experience gained from mobs and quests on both accounts. As well as granting levels and summoning each other (Blizzard has a good FAW about recruit-a-friend if your are interested).
When upgrading to a full account you get 30 days free (1 month) - they do ask for you to put in a subscription however you can cancel it before it bills you, then before your account runts out of time, transfer your new character to your main account or keep paying for two accounts (what my self and many others do).

A big reason is that we would prefer to have level 60 guild members. We do bring higher levels to our raids but it is made clear that the level 60 twinks get preference on gear, and I would feel bad about giving your level 63 rogue gear instead of a level 60 twink (where you can attain much better gear easily). Also at level 63 you cannot join our AV battleground and that is where alot of guild group pvp happens.

[d0z3rr]

I'm already on my second round of RAF. SInce I'll be leveling 3-4 groups, I definitely won't want to do it all over again on a new server with no money, so I figure I could bypass all that by transferring the rogue.

I definitely would not be interested in AV at all. Just PVE content.

*edit* I just remembered I have a level 60 dwarf warrior. Could you guys use an extra warrior? I don't mind speccing defense or dps, whichever you need most.

[Unholy[S]haman]

Ahhh I see your side of the story now. Indeed we could do with some warriors.
We have as current main raider warrior however he is interested in dps gear so all tier 1 and tier 2 are open to any other warriors because he will pass on them. I just rolled a warrior now too (level 58) thanks to RAF grant a level. However it is on my main paladin tanks account which I normally use to tank in raids. So we could indeed use more warriors.

Also it would be nice to have a level 60 main tank for the guild for when we decide to try ZG and AQ20 and on without the aid of higher levels.
Also I have been looking forward to some level 60 only UBRS and Strat runs! I have a Almost full tier 2 priest healer so it should be cake :)

Anywyas let me know, we all happy to help out with gold as well if needed (im broke at the moment but plan on farming a thousand or so this weekend).

[Bigfish]

If you want to experience old content raiding to it's fullest, have a lvl 60 warrior tank.

Never again. Never again will I run raid content as it was back in the days of 40-mans. Not because the content was too hard, but because it was ridiculous to tackle with 10 devoted people and 30 slackers.

[valkry]

If you want to experience old content raiding to it's fullest, have a lvl 60 warrior tank.

Never again. Never again will I run raid content as it was back in the days of 40-mans. Not because the content was too hard, but because it was ridiculous to tackle with 10 devoted people and 30 slackers.
Rediculus, but epic. Some of the best times I ever had on wow. I mean, the mobs and bosses were HUGE for a start and you were within this HUGE cavern. Fighting dragons is just so much more epic than fighting bugs and zombies imo.

It's why some of my favourite fights in BC were gruul, void reaver, mag, supremus and some of the sunwell bosses.

Also this group doesn't seem to have many slackers, as it's all people who enjoyed raiding that content back then. I'm not sure if you have seen the difference between a raid with 3/4 slackers and a raid with only 2-3 slackers in it, it is quite huge and awesome to be a part of.

[Unholy[S]haman]

bump, we are recruiting more for pure level 60 progression

[d0z3rr]

I'm gonna work on my warriors BWL/MC attunement today. I hope he doesn't get that much experience, he is 23% into level 60 and is on a BC/WOTLK account, so he'll probably level sooner or later.....

[Unholy[S]haman]

bump again!
We got our first Thunderfury binding today! (Piece of Baron).
Grats to Unholynova for winning it.

We are still looking for more. We are really hoping too turn <Apathic> into a well progressed pre-bc guild and we need more level 60s in order to do that!

[valkry]

Damn you , <Gold farmers Pty Ltd> is still chasing a TF drop after weeks of raiding /cry QQ lol

[Unholy[S]haman]

bump
BTW got our second thunderfury binding! (Unfortunately same as the one before but grats to Caendra - She now has all the mats needed save for the Right Binding :)

[Taliesin]

Damn, this is so tempting to transfer one of my lingering 60's over.. but I simply don't have the time between work and my 5-man. I'm moving slow enough as it is with just one server.

Best of luck to all you guys though.

[Feardis]

im confused, if you guys are a Vanilla rading guild why are you recruiting DK's?
ps its an awesome idea (besides the DK's) and i wish i had the time to join ya's
good luck :P
pps: lose the dk's :P