Healing Stream Totem Question

[Redbeard]

Im wondering if any of you have high level enhancement shamans. I am kind of wondering how much healing stream totem heals for at 80 with some decent AP (since you have an AP -> SP conversion). I am slightly tickled by the idea of a 5 enhancement shaman group for pve, since you can stack healing stream totems.

Just a thought.

[puppychow]

My resto shaman with ~2400sp raid buffed sees it tick for around 400-500, ele shamans w/ 1800sp see 300-400, but remember a tick is every few (3?) seconds, not every second. So I'd guess you'll see upwards of 2500-3500 hp/tick or so, which is excellent background AoE healing but not enough to really do any heroics, since bosses and some trash packs hit 30k armor plate wearers for 6-10k+ a swing.

[heyaz]

With 1820sp as a elemental shaman mine is only healing for 158 per tick :(

And if I pop my trinket for 2101sp I get 181 per tick

[Redbeard]

For both of you, im assuming this is without the healing stream glyph and the healing stream totem +25% talent?

[Multibocks]

My resto shaman with ~2400sp raid buffed sees it tick for around 400-500, ele shamans w/ 1800sp see 300-400, but remember a tick is every few (3?) seconds, not every second. So I'd guess you'll see upwards of 2500-3500 hp/tick or so, which is excellent background AoE healing but not enough to really do any heroics, since bosses and some trash packs hit 30k armor plate wearers for 6-10k+ a swing.

Uh Im calling BS on the 400-500, unless there is something out there that I dont know about. Mine tick (elemental shamans) for 250ish and they are at 2200-2400 sp buffed + the glyph. I dont see how the talent in the resto tree can double that (its 25% as far as I remember.) 300? Ya ok. 500? You sure you remember right?

edit: not to mention this is with the devotion aura buff (+6% healing). I just dont see how 500 is possible with that much spell power.

[Hachoo]

Yeah sorry for an elemental shaman 400 is not even close. I have the healing stream totem glyph, and 1980sp buffed, and I see about 197 per tick.

[puppychow]

Well my resto shaman has some crazy trinkets (the OS25 one plus badge I think) and he's raid buffed remember, I run naxx25 weekly on him and he's usually the only resto shaman in the pug raid so all mail goes to me (lol). I think I've seen up to 3k spell power when everything is proc'ing. But yeah 500 is probably too high. 200-220 sounds about right for my ele shamans, I just assumed my resto shaman would be a bit higher, but honestly I rarely drop healing stream totem on him in raids, mana spring is way way more useful.

Also mods like MSBT (scrolling combat text) combine totem ticks so I probably saw 500-600 from 2-3 healing stream totems, my bad.

[Redbeard]

I wish wowhead showed the SP/AP multipler for spells/abilities (if it does I dont know where it is). Do you guys know what it is (per tick) for healing stream?

Thanks.

[Meeo]

Ill test mine this early evening.

[emesis]

I wish wowhead showed the SP/AP multipler for spells/abilities (if it does I dont know where it is). Do you guys know what it is (per tick) for healing stream?

Thanks.

http://www.wowwiki.com/Spell_power_coefficient is the best source of SP coefficients I know of, but the info there for healing stream totem is out of date.

Pretty easy to computer this yourself though; strip down, check your SP, drop a totem. Count the tick value. Re-equip gear. Count the tick value and your new SP.

Spell power coefficient = [ Tick(after) - Tick (before) ] / [ SpellPower (after) - SpellPower (before) ]

I'm guessing it's around 10% based on the numbers being thrown around here and what I've seen, though I haven't actually calculated.

Something else interesting I just came on wowwiki (http://www.wowwiki.com/Healing_Stream_Totem)


Any bonuses to spell power you had when you placed the totem will continue to affect it for the full duration.

If this is true, it's something I never noticed, and it will certainly change my boss fight rotation (i.e. dropping healing streams AFTER trinket).

[Redbeard]

Sure I could try it myself emesis. Would just be quicker if the site i use as a reference had complete data on the spell =)

Anyone feel free to correct me if im somehow dumbed up my math here:

So base it heals for 25 every 2 seconds (at level 80)

20% from the glyph
25% from the talent.

So 20 + (20 x .2) + (20 x .25) = 29 per tick...

Wow lol now I see why they say that glyph is crap. Hmmmmm.

Wow wiki claims a coefficient of 5% so... 2k SP = 100 + 29 per tick... 129

hmmm

[Boylston]

f this is true, it's something I never noticed, and it will certainly change my boss fight rotation (i.e. dropping healing streams AFTER trinket).


It's true.

[emesis]

Unfortunately, wowwiki is still not up to date with all the 3.0.2 changes. The spell power coefficient on healing stream totem is listed as 4.5% pre-patch 3.0.2. It's clearly more than 4.5% now.

Also, I'm pretty sure the glyph operates on your healing stream totem tick AFTER including talents and spell bonus, or it would suck super duper hard. I'll check tonight.

[emesis]

f this is true, it's something I never noticed, and it will certainly change my boss fight rotation (i.e. dropping healing streams AFTER trinket).


It's true.

Hmm, not for me. I just tested and the tick value on my healing stream totem changes whenever my spell power does. Without dropping a new one, popping my trinket ups the tick value for 15 seconds, then it drops back down.

Also, regarding earlier posts, I just confirmed that the bonus of the glyph applies _after_ your SP bonus is applied, not before. Don't know about the resto talent though it'd be strange for that to be different.

Finally, the SP coefficient of the totem is 7% by my testing tonight.

Without glyph, HST tick at 2071 SP = 174. Tick at 280 SP (the lowest I can go without respecing :-) ) = 49. ( 174 - 49 ) / (2071 - 280) = 0.0698

[Redbeard]

Awesome, appreciate you guys doing some legwork on this.

So let me try again.

Base healing 25 per 2 second tick

7% multipler. 2k SP = 140 + 25 = 165 hp / tick

Apply glyph and we're at 165 + (165 x .2 ) = 198
+ talent =
198 + (165 x .25) = 239

Thats better.

[Multibocks]

nm.