I thought this was interesting...

[PyrostasisTDK]

So someone was talking about multiboxing in EQ2 on VNboards and I made a comment. Was still researching SoE's stance on keyclone and such at the time.

I linked to keyclone and dual-boxing.com and informed people about what folks like us were doing.

I had my post edited and keyclone and dual-boxing.com removed and was warned about hacking from a VNmod.

Then I and another Keyclone user got flamed off the forums.

Sad the people dont seem to be able to comprehend the difference between a bot and keyclone...

Anyways an amusing read

http://vnboards.ign.com/Message.aspx?topic=105341428&brd=22210&start=105388065

[Zseth]

if you ever get tired of that and want to hear people defend multiboxing, just go to the WOW forums for Magtheridon, damn they love us there

[keyclone]

i find the posts calling multi-boxers 'botters' to be completely ill-informed about what makes a 'bot.

the term 'bot' is short for 'robot'... used when a person automates a series of tasks without having to interact. a robot would also require some level of timing and decision control.. which will mimic light artificial intelligence.

simple wiring does not make a robot. keyclone is essentially wiring to route keys to their intended destination. no timing mechanism and no decision support. keyclone SPECIFICALLY has none of this capability.

having written several expert systems and utilized AI within some of my systems, how uninformed do i think some of these people are?

by their definition... by plugging in Christmas lights you would be botting in their eyes

[PyrostasisTDK]

hehe yeah its rather obvious common sense is completely wasted on those folks.

[kalih]

I think it's just a panic reaction by a mod who sees someone using an external program to aid in their playing of a game. It's not an entirely unreasonable first reaction, in my opinion.

From a theoretical standpoint, keyclone does little more than an operating system (the client part of it, anyway). After all, the front-end of an OS is nothing but a glorified way of routing input to programs.

The OS provides substantial benefit to multiboxers on the output side too. It's hard to argue that keyclone makes someone more capable of botting than say... windows does.. afterall.. windows lets me keep all these WoWs applications running smoothly at the same time. And the nvidia drivers let me organize the output in a useful way.

[Otlecs]

That's an interesting read, but the level of ignorance there is absolutely astounding! I found this quote from somebody who claims to know the difference between bots and boxers (because he apparently boxed "back in the day") particularly outstanding:


When you are in a 4 5 or 6 man �box� group and the mobs all on autofollow magically start combat at exactly the same time, you are either a freak with 6 arms, or you are running bots.

That just about sums up the total ignorance (in it's purest form - simple lack of knowledge) present in most of those posts. The idea of a hardware multiplexer or even multiple wireless keyboards bound to a single receiver has clearly just never occured to this person.

Amazingly narrow-minded. The same person also commented:


The other recommended software in a sticky on that forum are more clearly bot programs. Many of them let you put in a timed sequence for casting, then continuously poll the results of /assist a player until a legitimate target is returned. Once it is they immediately start running the completely animated macro that cycles through preset casting or CA chains. If the mob is out of range or moves out of range during the fight, they will even close to max range on the mob, automatically.

Where's that? I couldn't see it, but if true then it should be removed as it would be in breech of the community guidelines for this forum. I looked and couldn't see it.

The other thing that caught my eye was a comment that "excessive use of autofollow can get you banned". I wonder if that's true for EQ, or if it's just some random chest-beating from a hater?

Interesting stuff.

[Hippieman]

I found dinglehopper1 rather amusing "ofc I know what multiboxing is and it WILL make you a botter!". If there was any truth to what he's saying, 90 % of the lot on this forum would be botting by now :P

[henrik.falk]

I found dinglehopper1 rather amusing "ofc I know what multiboxing is and it WILL make you a botter!". If there was any truth to what he's saying, 90 % of the lot on this forum would be botting by now :P

Multiboxing, the gateway technique.

[Bollwerk]

dinglehopper1 is quite mistaken. He makes me laugh.

[PyrostasisTDK]

He frustrates me... like Glenn Beck says, "He makes blood shoot out of my eyes"

I just have a hard time with folks who cant see reason

**twitches**

[Ziran]

Well this was by EQ2 multi boxing experience:

For EQ1 I always played on the test server since regular server were unplayable to me (dungeon crowding, KSing etc). I played from launch until the PoP expansion, then again a little around LDoN release. Never had a problem.

For EQ2 launch I played for a few weeks (4 box) before WoW launched but then I switched to WoW.

I tried EQ2 a little over a year ago again on a test server and this was my experience (6 box):

I played (light weight) for about two months. Gameplay is not as shall we say tactically refined as WoW (you mostly just spam all your abilities whenever you can regardless) but the graphics were pretty good, there were alot of quests and some nostalgia factor. Overall I was mostly having fun.

Then one day I was crafting spells in a crafting instance for my characters. I had my toons nearby so I could look up which spells they needed upgraded level by level. I would make the spells and pass them around.

Anyway I was busy mashing the keyboard on the first toon and watching the crafting events when bam one of my other toons crashes to desktop. Ok no biggy that is what happens when instance crashes (happens alot to crafting instances). I tried logging in and to my astonishment it says:

Cannot log in your account is banned.

I have never been banned from anything (cheating or otherwise) so this was quite a shock. I quickly glanc over to my other toons and just noticed a GM tell saying something like:

I hope you have logging on, you are getting banned (or something close to that).

I managed to send him a tell with one of my toons before he was kicked asking if we can talk about this and he told me no to send email to the accountstatus (if I remember right) SOE email.

I did not have chat logging on so I do not for 100% what happened but as nearly as I can tell he send a /tell to one of my characters that was standing around the crafting machine (but was not crafting) and when he received no reply he banned all 6. It IS possible he send a tell to toon #1 but I was just not watching the chat bar at all but the crafting event window so I would not know.

Needless to say I sent a couple of emails to the appropiate address (I looked it up specifically on their FAQ where to send email if you were banned) and unsurprisingly received no reply whosoever.

I always heard from live servers that the SoE CS was pure shit but as I played on EQ1 test server we had no CS (and apparently from my experience no CS >> SoE CS)

So in the end I just concluded that the SoE people are just too stupid to live and moved on.

For the record I was not using any software, just 6 computers with 6 trackballs and 6 keyboards, 6 LCDs.

So from my experience EQ2 is just not a good game for multi boxing as you can get banned for simply not responding to a tell when afk.

Your mileage my vary. I put SONY in that same place in memory where EA lives for all the shit they did to Origin, Kesmai and so many others.

Ziran

[PyrostasisTDK]

wow thats messed up.

[yarr]

what i dont get is...

wtf is a hydra?

[simpletom]

ye what above poster said, anyone care to tell me what that Hyrdra really is he seems to think that useing macros is a hydra bot, why would blizzard put them in the game in the first place if useing macros was bad :S

[PyrostasisTDK]

I believe hydra is that multiheaded dragon from mythology.

So calling someone a hydra bot, is basically one body, 6 heads, aka one player 6 accounts.

[simpletom]

got your back pyro, just had to reread the post a few times as that forum doesnt have a quote option it kinda makes it look like everyones anti dual-boxing.

still cant work out what makes macroing hydra botting, personally i think like a hydra its a made up thing.

anyway enough of that for today gonna go to bed as its 5.59 am in sunny uk, cant wait to see what lovely replies i get.

OMG SATURDAY 1st of december !!!!

you know what that means

queens of the stone age in bristol woooooohooooo


....defently time for bed before....

[PyrostasisTDK]

yeah its really just that one guy who cant seem to understand the difference between botting and keyclone... I have tried explaining it and he just cant seem to get it.