Logitech G13 Keypad

[offive]

^^ Just replaced my N52 with the new G13 last week. 5 boxed and ran solo with it over the weekend.

Logitech G13 ('http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard/devices/5123&cl=us,en')

It's a nice upgrade over the N52.
More physical keys!
Faster to switch to other key layouts
The LCD is ok but I dont look down that often, so its kind of a waste
Comfortable, the pad is in the right spot for me
Seems to be constructed well (but its new we will see how it holds up)
Fast to program (very fast compared to the old N52 software)
The onboard joystick / hat is very nice to control the followers

It did take some time to get used to my new home position on the pad, I found my hand wandering a bit when trying to hit the bottom row of keys.
All in all a :thumbsup:

[Shaitan256]

Lolz, it's cool but it's costing 89,99 € you pay 79,99 USD loooooooooooooooooolz Our price is about ~140 , I let it ship in from America I guess I'll save some Money ... I hate it compared to all of you we pay ~ 100 USD for an Xbox360 Game , I guess I'll get the region free version and let it ship here 2 ^^ don't have a Problem with english.

It's really a nice piece, gonna try it out for sure^^

[elsegundo]

good to know you're enjoying it. i was thinking of upgrading my N52 with a N52te... but since this just came out... i might just skip the N52te. i was going for the N52te due to lack of better alternative but now there's an alternative, and it "seems" better. i'll wait a bit to see though. =]

[Herc130]

It's a bit bigger then the n52. If I were still running a bunch of these, I'd just stick to n52, but I need 1 or 2 at the most. Waiting on some stuff before I rebuild a computer and move things around, then I'll hook it up and check it out

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/9589/img0925yq8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/3235/img0926qp3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[-silencer-]

Lolz, it's cool but it's costing 89,99 € you pay 79,99 USD loooooooooooooooooolz Our price is about ~140 , I let it ship in from America I guess I'll save some Money ... I hate it compared to all of you we pay ~ 100 USD for an Xbox360 Game , I guess I'll get the region free version and let it ship here 2 ^^ don't have a Problem with english.

It's really a nice piece, gonna try it out for sure^^
Blame your socialist governments for their high import taxes.

[Bloodcloud]

Got my G13 2 days ago and I love it. In addition to a Xkeys 128 and my MX Revolutions mouse (with lots of thumb buttons) it is superb.

Another superb thing is, that I can reuse the macros of my G15 (classic) and the macro name is displayed in the screen.
The new Logitec software is also cool, Give it a comprehensive macroname and you see a verification in the display that you pressed the right button (e.g. Self AOE, Pet Attack, Call Back Pet ...) instead of checking the screen that the pet does what you thought it would do :)

I tried to use my N52 for like 2 days then I put it in a corner never looked at it again, because i didn't feel comfortable with it.

[Greythan]

Stupid question but can this thing be installed along side your standard keyboard or do you have to physically swap it in and out? If I were to use something like this I'd want to be able to keep my standard keyboard/mouse for the family and only have the G13 out when I'm gaming.

[elsegundo]

Stupid question but can this thing be installed along side your standard keyboard or do you have to physically swap it in and out? If I were to use something like this I'd want to be able to keep my standard keyboard/mouse for the family and only have the G13 out when I'm gaming.lol yes... you keep your old keyboard. this is in additon to what you already have.

[Greythan]

Alright, thanks. :)

So, do most of you simply not use the standard keyboard when deploying a device like the G13? I'm wondering how much more effective this will make me as I'm still operating my right hand on a fairly limited device (the mouse). I'm sure I probably just have to buy one of these things and simply see for myself. Seems all too popular here to have something like this or an XKEYS device.

[elsegundo]

Alright, thanks. :)

So, do most of you simply not use the standard keyboard when deploying a device like the G13? I'm wondering how much more effective this will make me as I'm still operating my right hand on a fairly limited device (the mouse). I'm sure I probably just have to buy one of these things and simply see for myself. Seems all too popular here to have something like this or an XKEYS device.

well for me, i still use the keyboard whenver i need to open bags, sit, hold weapons and chat. im sure there's more things. but thats all i can think of now.
what i do is map out the keys via the attached programs (i have a N52) and map it to my keyboard.

say, my hotkeys are 1234567890-=.
i would set it up on my keypad in a similar fashion. you need to tell it what key you want pressed when you press a certain key. so say, on the g13 keypad, if i want the G5 key to press 5, then i have to program it into their program. if i want the G3 key to press 3, i tell it that. if i want the G10 key to be TAB, i must tell it that. take a closer look at the G13. every key is a "G" key. you just program into the program what key you want it to press when you press a certain key. its the same with the N52 and many others.

i hope i didnt confuse you.

[Greythan]

No, you didn't confuse me (which might have been hard to presume based on my totally neophyte posts on this topic thus far!).

I'm just trying to get my head around combat with the G13 versus my standard keyboard/mouse today. What I know for sure is that I need to have ready access to more commands as my team hits more challenging content. (I've almost exclusively boosted until my team caught my warlock.)

Then, for bags, trades, chat, etc. you use the keyboard.

Why not use the G11 keyboard? Seems like the bank of 18 keys brings a lot of ready utility?

[Greythan]

Also, am I missing something or does the G13 limit you to 25 keys? Is there some key modifier (e.g., "alt") that can be used to double or triple the keys while using all on one hand?

As an example, I have a lot of "left side" keyboard stuff set up so I can use my left hand exclusively to modify a keystroke. (i.e., alt-1) So, I'm probably pretty close to 25, single-left-hand commands just using my keyboard. Seems the G13 would be real limiting versus the G11 keyboard that would give me another 18 keys (no mod) and up to 36 more (54 total) with a mod that I might even be able to do with just my left hand?

[elsegundo]

i do believe there is a "state" key, however, unlike the N52 where each state has its own color coded glow, the color glow of the G13 is independent of the state you're in.
now, if you just make one of the buttons "Shift" and another button "Alt".
I can totally see myself using the G20 key as ALT, the G21 key as SHIFT and the G22 key as CTRL. Also the G15 key will be designated as TAB to switch targets.
G9 to G13 will be my 1-5, and G2 to G6 will be my 6-0. then i have 8 other keys to play with.
there are two thumb buttons so you have the option of using them for anythign. i'd jump with one at least. many people use the controller to control their slaves. i would check to see if i can use it to control my main, while ALT+controller to move my slaves.

anyway, if you look closely, right between the keys and the screen, you can see four buttons labeled M1, M2, M3 and MR. i believe those to be state keys, 3 states, 1 to save the state. correct me if im wrong.

[Riault]

My $0.02



1. I was really used to the nostormo "thumb" button switched out to "shift" as I use shift for all self targets (important for priest pvp). The location of the "thumb" button on the g13 had my hand kinda cramped and feeling pressure. I tried like 13 (hahah) setups during the weekend and then it dawned on me ... use the joystick for shift / alt / ctrl / ctrl & alt ... man it worked like a charm. My thumb was in a similar position to N52 but now I had 4 buttons to use instead of just 1. I was very happy with this.



2. If you have ever used the G15, the keys are very easy to press yet you know that you have pressed them. The G13 is identical to this.



3. The config software for N52 is ok, but the g13 has the best software I have used to date. Very, easy.



4. The one thing I was disappointed with was the use of keyboard "states" with the nostromo you can bind any key to shift different states. It seems (i say seems because I haven't explored all options yet) the only way to change states on the g13 is using the 3 provided M keys.



5. I always placed the N52 on a mousepad because it tended to slip around. The g13 is directly on my desk and it just doesn't move.



6. Key reach ... well there are more keys so you do have to "reach" for some of them, I think this is mostly training however and I will get used to it.



I consider the $79 well spent

[moosejaw]

To answer a previous question, you can set different colors for each state (M1,M2,M3). In the profiler you right click on the M-key and drop down list appears letting you select a color.