Ok did a quest line ...

[Sam DeathWalker]

I'm on the last thing (kill the levle 40 elite) now from this quest:

http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=1488

Gonna try him tonight. My guys average level 29/30 now not sure if I can take a level 40 elite (lots of resists I bet) but will see.

I guess the exp was OK. And sure if I knew were everything was it would have went a lot faster. Desolance is deserted, I could level there untill 40 and never see a Alliance player.

Underwater was trip but finally settled on the island to kill the orcals. Underwater is not boxer friendly thats for sure. Sure was a pain having to do the 3rd to final turnins one at a time cause if you dont get the thing where the apperaition appears and stomps his foot you dont get the next quest in the line....

Well I hope those sheilds are worth it.

This quest was ideal for me cause its "Level 40" but you can start it at level 25....

Not looking good, I think Ill wait untill level 32 to attempt this guy.

[Wilbur]

Have you read anything about the Caps on Quest XP based on level?

No?

Fool.

[Hachoo]

You know, it is possible hes doing it because he wants the reward that is much higher level than he is, not the XP.

Also didn't a site admin just say yesterday that he can't stand it when regulars are dicks to other regulars?

[jinx08]

Have you read anything about the Caps on Quest XP based on level?

No?

Fool.Why do people insist on giving this guy a hard time?

Ok so his approach may seem a little unorthodox to some of us, but hell, it's his game, let him play how he wishes.

Props to Sam i say. :)

[Fuzzyboy]

Have you read anything about the Caps on Quest XP based on level?

No?

Fool.What's with the hate?

[Tonuss]

Gonna try him tonight. My guys average level 29/30 now not sure if I can take a level 40 elite (lots of resists I bet) but will see.The primary problem with a mob that many levels (4+) above you is that they can deal "crushing blows" which do additional damage. So he might be able to chew through your groups faster than you can heal, much less DPS. Although, if you have your quest group tag him and all 25 shaman nuke him, maybe it would be sufficient to burn him down before he wipes the group.

Quests that are 2-3 levels above your characters are very good for groups, since quests that are even or one level above are usually easy to solo.

[Owltoid]

Didn't they remove the crushing blow mechanic in WotLK? I haven't been doing my theorycrafting for at least 6 months, but I thought that was one of the changes.

[succulent]

Didn't they remove the crushing blow mechanic in WotLK? I haven't been doing my theorycrafting for at least 6 months, but I thought that was one of the changes.They changed it so that crushes only start happening at your level +4, not +3. This was to remove crushes from raid bosses.

[Owltoid]

Ah, very interesting, thanks for the info about crushing blows!

[elsegundo]

im sure at 10 levels below the mob, you're going to miss or get resisted about 80% of the time, if not more.

but you know, if all but one of your guys die and you end up killing the mob on the last one of your guys.... i'd say pat yourself on the back, go outside and have a toke. or more.

[Vyndree]

im sure at 10 levels below the mob, you're going to miss or get resisted about 80% of the time, if not more.

Watch my 5 level 29's take on Stitches (at the very end of this video about 5:55 -- it's part of the credits)... I also have the Draenei +hit aura. This was around BC time, so patch 2.something.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cGgd9uNB5g

Level 35 elite.... Level 29 chars (when Stitches was filmed -- they're ~35 in RFK)... 6 level difference... He's at.. what... 90% when I wipe?

[Sam DeathWalker]

http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=1482 gave me 9900 exp, if I didn't get 3X times the exp listed I would have looked it up. The quest starts at level 25, why would you expect that I would not get full exp based on "level cap" when I am of the proper level to start the quest?

Ya if one guy is left from the tag group I win ... but I can see that a elite mob currently 10 levels above me isnt going to be nuked down with 90 percent resists. No rush Ill get him sooner or later.

[Vyndree]

The quest doesn't start at 25...

It REQUIRES level 25 to even put the quest in your log.

http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=1482

?Level: 35
?Requires level 25

The quest is actually targeted for a level 35.

If you take a look at the difficulty scale on wowhead, you'll see it turns yellow at 33 and green at 38.


And if you read the wowhead comments...

A fair warning: this quest will make you hate WoW. This quest will make you hate humanity. This quest will make you want to punch a baby.

Most of the nagas are underwater, the drop rate of the oracle crystal is low, the spawn of the oracles is shared with that of all other slitherblades, and, should you die, the corpse run is longer than you'd expect


The end of the quest chain...

?Level: 40
?Requires level 25
?Type: Group

You'll see a level 25 can PICK UP the quest, but it's targeted for level 40. Furthermore, it's a GROUP quest, so it's actually designed for a GROUP of level 40's.

It's also yellow at 38 and green at 43.

http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=1488

[Bigfish]

The quest starts at level 25, why would you expect that I would not get full exp based on "level cap" when I am of the proper level to start the quest?

Quests, like mobs, have a level, and the amount of XP you get from that quest is based on your level in relation to the target quest's level. In the manner that quests work, Quests more than 5 levels lower than the character comopleting them start seeing a penalty on what the quest SHOULD reward, and in the same fashion, completing a quest that is available at a lower level but has an actual quest level +5 levels higher than your current level, you get xp as though you had completed a Level+4 quest.

That's how its supposed to work, anyway. I haven't delved in to calculation for quest xp for a while.

Edit: Ok, upon further research in to what is listed at WoWwiki, there is no over-level cap for quest xp. It does start degrading at -5 levels though, which can be confusing because a quest can still be green at up to -8 or 9 levels, depending on what level you are. This also may not apply to all quests, since some quests are apparently varable level (many class quests).

[Hachoo]

Also keep in mind if sam wanted he could kill this mob with all 25 of his characters - he would just have to have 5 separate non-raid groups and tag the mob first with the group that he wanted the credit for. I'm pretty sure 25 level 25s could take on one level 35.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Ya I always use 26 to kill mobs.

I have

/assist Samdeathwkzz
/castsequence Frost Shock,,

On F2.

On F1 I have:

/assist Samdeathwkzz
/castsequence ,Earth Shock,

F1 is tied to my mouse button.

On the group I want to get exp I move the Frost Shock macro to F1, so they fire first and tag (pal just gets proximity agro). So I click twice and 5 Frosts hit the mob, then 20 Earch Shocks (I got the 45 percent reduction talent heh), result instant dead mob. So I keep doing that untill the first group gets their quest done and then move the Frost Shock macro to F1 on the 2nd group and move the Earth Shocks back to the F2 on the group that completed its quest. Also if I find a mob that is immune to earth shock and I can use the keyboard and hit F2 and he gets 20 frosts instead!

So the oracal part was easy enough for me cause I just keep killing mobs on the island untill I got each group the quest (didnt go underwater as its a hassel), takes awhile but Im naturally also getting raf exp killing mobs at the same time. And because the mobs are kinda high Im getting like 180 exp off each, for all 5 in the tag group.

Naturally a full group of 35 or 40 is recomended for this quest but 25 level 30s can finish up to the last step without to many problems.

My advantage of having 26 is that I can kill mobs that a group of 5 people say 5-8 levels above me can kill. So I should do quests higher then my level as well they give more exp ....

[Gadzooks]

Have you read anything about the Caps on Quest XP based on level?

No?

Fool.Not for nothing, but this is the kind of thing that will make me stop coming here. If I wanted to read posts abusing other players, I could go to the Customer Service Forums on the WoW site.

I understand being firm with noobs who want their hands held, but Sam doesn't deserve abuse like this - nobody does - and I've yet to see Sam be rude to anyone. If I'm wrong, please point me to his remarks, and I'll take it back.

The one thing I LOVE about this site and this community is it's friendly and has none of the attitude that has ruined the WoW forums. I may not agree with everything Sam does, or understand his choices, but he's doing something very interesting and unique - you should be supporting him.

[Caspian]

It is like a hogger raid. Our MB hogger raid was way over kill. But I have 15 manned hogger with all level 1s. With 25 it think Sam has a chance. What's the worst that happens? He gets the smack down. That is just part of the wow learning curve. Plus, for me at least, that is a big part of the fun of the game - doing things that "you shouldn't be able to do".

Mor'ladim I think it was, who wandered the Duskwood graveyard. He was like a 35 elite roaming an area you can start quest in your low 20s. If you leveled through there in the old days and he didn't gank you something was wrong. I duo'd him at 27 with my wife on a pair of hunters. Took 3 tries but we did it. With 25 or 26 or whatever what Sam wants to do should be doable. I would recommend spreading your groups out if you can to try and bounce aggro - mob running between guys = more of your dudes alive.

Also, I thought they changed it so you got the same XP for red,orange, yellow and green quests (not mobs) that you only got less when it went low level - gray. I will see if I can find info on that.

[EDIT]
Yes, that is the way it currently works http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/questbasics.html

Now, higher level quests will give you more relative XP then at level or lower level quests. But, in theory at least for normal players, it should be easier to do many at level quests then above level quests in the same about of time.

[Shonkey]

Have you read anything about the Caps on Quest XP based on level?

No?

Fool.Poor Form from a mod imo.

[Moorea]

Have you read anything about the Caps on Quest XP based on level?

No?

Fool.I've been playing wow for years, but I have no idea what you mean or why it is relevant to sam's thread. someone care to elaborate what the point of this was (beside being a flame)

[Stealthy]

Now, higher level quests will give you more relative XP then at level or lower level quests. But, in theory at least for normal players, it should be easier to do many at level quests then above level quests in the same about of time.

This is what makes it a viable strategy, since the XP reward will be geared toward the level of the quest - which can mean a big chunk of a level if your toon's level is much lower than the quest. When I was levelling up my hunter team, i did all the Mastery quests in STV at lvl 29 and got close to a whole level out of it.
Hunters were actually easy to complete quests way above their recommended level, since ranged weapons aren't subject to glancing blows...mind you, my pets couldn't hold agro worth a damn becuase their taunt kept getting resisted. :P

It will be intersting to see if Sam can brute force his way through this quest.

Cheers,
S.

[Dominian]

Are you playing on a pvp server?

Just wondering since you use normal assist! :P

Your kinda stuck if your main dies :D

[Frosty]

Are you playing on a pvp server?

Just wondering since you use normal assist! :P

Your kinda stuck if your main dies :DThat's what I was thinking. But could you imagine setting up the FTL system with that many toons? :P

[glo]

I don't see why he couldn't kill this mob with a couple button presses. If he has his macros setup at all he can rez any that die with another press.

Sadly, just this one quest chain for the week he is getting better xp then doing the grinding thing.

[glo]

Have you read anything about the Caps on Quest XP based on level?

No?

Fool.Why do people insist on giving this guy a hard time?

Ok so his approach may seem a little unorthodox to some of us, but hell, it's his game, let him play how he wishes.

Props to Sam i say. :)Dont Care.






Have you read anything about the Caps on Quest XP based on level?

No?

Fool.What's with the hate?He's an idiot. He's ignorant, stubborn and stupid. All three of those qualities are fully deserving of hate.






Have you read anything about the Caps on Quest XP based on level?

No?

Fool.Not for nothing, but this is the kind of thing that will make me stop coming here. If I wanted to read posts abusing other players, I could go to the Customer Service Forums on the WoW site.

I understand being firm with noobs who want their hands held, but Sam doesn't deserve abuse like this - nobody does - and I've yet to see Sam be rude to anyone. If I'm wrong, please point me to his remarks, and I'll take it back.

The one thing I LOVE about this site and this community is it's friendly and has none of the attitude that has ruined the WoW forums. I may not agree with everything Sam does, or understand his choices, but he's doing something very interesting and unique - you should be supporting him.Sam's stupidity offends me.
I want him to have NOTHING to do with this website, a site I helped build, I'm disgusted were allowing him here.
I support what Prepared has done and think he's a shining example of what people should be building towards, I have nothing against people 26 boxing and to suggest as such is stupid.






Have you read anything about the Caps on Quest XP based on level?

No?

Fool.Poor Form from a mod imo.Dont care.I have to agree. This guy really is embarrassing.

I for one would love to see this project successful, given the free time and disposable income I wouldn't mind running 20+ myself. The thing here is this guy comes off so arrogant while being so so ignorant of the game. Play the game already. Get half a clue about what is going on. Save yourself a lot of time and embarrassment as well as the boxing communities embarrassment simply by association. Maybe next time your RAF runs out?

[Bigfish]

Normally, I'd be all for mindlessly chugging the Hatorade along with everyone else, but damn, at least now he's doing something new and interesting. I mean, leveling 26 characters? Not entirely impressive since many many people have leveled as many or more far more efficiently for Sam to act like he's so amazing. On the other hand, if he can keep up this "complete super-red quests for good XP", at least give him credit for his innovation. Seems kind of silly to be outright hostile to the guy for his personality quirks.

[Littleburst]

Be sure that you know where you're talking about before you defend Sam. He has been offered a lot of help, but didn't take it. Now after 26 lvls he started a Quest which all other boxers would skip because the mobs you have to kill are under water. Nice? I think not. Now he finally managed to do a Quest and he's all great? come on. Then Prepared must be a god.

Lvling a character in wow just takes time. If you think and rush through quests, you're just faster. Having 26 characters will make a lot things a lot more annoying and time consuming, but why would it be harder?

It would be harder to do it fast and smoothly, yes. But with his endless mobfarming he isn't really going fast.

[Bigfish]

Now after 26 lvls he started a Quest which all other boxers would skip because the mobs you have to kill are under water. Nice? I think not. Now he finally managed to do a Quest and he's all great? come on.

Why the hell does it matter if the quest is under water? And yes, completing the quest when he's 14 levels below the quest level IS something at least noteworthy.

Sam has pointed it out before, but its terribly ironic that everyone bemoans him to level his guys by questing, and now that he finally hunkers down to do one quest line, everyone STILL rides him.

[Knobley]

Quoted from "Wilbur"

For some strange reason, I don't see the message from which you are quoting.

[nimbok]

Quoted from "Wilbur"

For some strange reason, I don't see the message from which you are quoting.i dont see it either, but could see that being his reply. he seems like a smug asshole imo. who are we to judge how or why another person plays a game? i see lots of posts on this mb with mentions of unwarrented hate from players in game and it saddens me to see our own do it.

[puppychow]

I find Sam funny as heck (mostly his personal life stuff tbh, its like that movie Big if it kept going...) but I think a lot of people disparage him because he makes absolutely ludicrous statements on being the best. The equivalent of me walking into a NFL football teams locker and saying I am better than all of them because I kicked a nerf football at home today so hard into the ground it cracked a peanut. If I kept doing that every week I think most of them would constantly make fun of me too.

Its pretty well established in WoW who is the "best" multiboxer -- Prepared has the largest team that is actually doing something, Ellay has the highest PVP multibox arena ranking in s4 I think and probably s5 so far, Niley probably has the most PVE (heroics/raiding) progression, and that one guy who was an expat in China whose name I forget solo'd Karazhan 10 man before patch 3.0 (nobody so far in Naxx10 afaik has solod much). The rest of us play for fun and challenging ourselves.

Sam comes rushing into here nearly six months ago and says he is going to be the best multiboxer WoW has ever seen, and in those six months he has reached... level 27? Most of us could easily have done that IN A SINGLE WEEKEND if we bothered to pay for 27 accounts.

[glo]

Quoted from "Wilbur"

For some strange reason, I don't see the message from which you are quoting.He or another mod must have deleted it. There is at least one mod going around deleting posts, a whole section of a thread was deleted the other day and I've seen at least 3 of my posts deleted in the last 2 weeks.

[Knobley]

The way I see Sam is, he's either trolling for the hate on purpose, (in which case, why play into his game?), or he really is just so goofy as to believe some of the goofy stuff he says (in which case, why waste my "hate" on someone as goofy as that?).

Either way, I have to admit to a certain morbid fascination with Sam's posts... kind of like that drunk spouse of a coworker at the Christmas party. It's really awkward and kind of sad, but I just have to keep watching to see what happens next.

Knobley

[Vyndree]

Quoted from "Wilbur"

For some strange reason, I don't see the message from which you are quoting.He or another mod must have deleted it. There is at least one mod going around deleting posts, a whole section of a thread was deleted the other day and I've seen at least 3 of my posts deleted in the last 2 weeks.

Wasn't me who removed these particular posts, BUT... Some posts that end up derailing past the point of recovery (or single posts that we can nab out of threads before the giant snowball effect kicks in) get moved to a special Mods-only section to be discussed and dealt with.

We're having discussions about certain peoples' behavior, but I'd like to keep it private for the time being until it's well sorted out. If you're one of the involved parties, you'll get a PM from one of the mods.

In any case, thanks for being patient with us, and I apologize for some of the confusion around missing threads/posts.

[Youngceo]

Wow you finished your first quest, good for you champ!


1999 to go!

[glo]

Quoted from "Wilbur"

For some strange reason, I don't see the message from which you are quoting.He or another mod must have deleted it. There is at least one mod going around deleting posts, a whole section of a thread was deleted the other day and I've seen at least 3 of my posts deleted in the last 2 weeks.

Wasn't me who removed these particular posts, BUT... Some posts that end up derailing past the point of recovery (or single posts that we can nab out of threads before the giant snowball effect kicks in) get moved to a special Mods-only section to be discussed and dealt with.

We're having discussions about certain peoples' behavior, but I'd like to keep it private for the time being until it's well sorted out. If you're one of the involved parties, you'll get a PM from one of the mods.

In any case, thanks for being patient with us, and I apologize for some of the confusion around missing threads/posts.At least one of my posts that got deleted was completely on topic and had nothing inflammatory at all, I was really baffled by the censorship. Another was a mild jab at Sam whom I think we can all agree whether you care for him or not his gigantic ego can handle it, the worse that could possibly happen is he takes a second for some self evaluation. Oh no!

I for one just really don't care for a high level of censorship. The harshest statements I have seen on this forum have actually come from mods *shrug*

[Svpernova09]

At least one of my posts that got deleted was completely on topic and had nothing inflammatory at all, I was really baffled by the censorship. Another was a mild jab at Sam whom I think we can all agree whether you care for him or not his gigantic ego can handle it, the worse that could possibly happen is he takes a second for some self evaluation. Oh no!

I for one just really don't care for a high level of censorship. The harshest statements I have seen on this forum have actually come from mods *shrug*Speaking for myself, when I edit / delete posts, don't think of it as censorship. I remove stuff that is blatantly useless or full of idiocy. I edit everything else. ( I don't mean any of this to apply to you specifically, I don't think I've ever modded your posts).


Back on topic: wtb a Sam thread that doesn't get derailed into hate. pst.

[Wilbur]

Maybe he should post on a diffrent forum then?

Personally I'd recommend dual-boxing.fr that way at least half the people wouldn't understand him :-)

[Vyndree]

At least one of my posts that got deleted was completely on topic and had nothing inflammatory at all, I was really baffled by the censorship. Another was a mild jab at Sam whom I think we can all agree whether you care for him or not his gigantic ego can handle it, the worse that could possibly happen is he takes a second for some self evaluation. Oh no!

I for one just really don't care for a high level of censorship. The harshest statements I have seen on this forum have actually come from mods *shrug*

Sorry, what I meant to say here glo was that when entire THREADS derail past the point of recovery, we move the thread -- which often includes on-topic posts in the beginning -- to another forum in order to moderate without the thread continuing to escalate. So, many apologies to those who WERE on topic and WERE constructive, as we're not intending to censor informative posts, but because the thread as a WHOLE has gone into the gutter, we need to lock and/or delete it before it gets even worse.

...which is what looks like this thread is starting to do as well. I'll leave this up and/or lock if I have to, but I'll leave it a chance to get back on-topic if anyone else wants to continue the original thread.

If you have any concerns about threads disappearing or whatnot, feel free to PM a mod for clarification. We'll try to keep this one clutter-free if possible.

[Zub]

In the end Sam, did you find doing that quest line:
- interesting?
- entertaining?
- good xp (compared to your normal grinding style)

And are you going to keep on doing quests.