Windows 7!!! omg amazing

[Oternakn]

Hello.
i just gotta tell every one about this :)
im running the W7 beta that just went live for every one.
Here is the sweet part. I play everquest2 and I run 6 clients on one pc, I used to get 30-40 fps and now with w7 i get over 50 and there is no lagg at all.
Then i installed it on my second crappy computer with amd xp3800 4gb ram and a ati4670, Now i can box 4 toons on it with 20fps!!! i couldnt even 3 box before on it and get over 7fps.

im lovin it.
try it out its free and i havent hadd a single crash or blue screen.

[Prepared]

Does Octopus 1.3.2 run on Windows 7? If so, I will use it. Where can you download the Windows 7 beta? I know it's from Microsoft, but is there a direct link to the download?

[Freddie]

That's good news. Does it install as a dual boot over XP?

[Oternakn]

i got it off a torrent but got the valid key of microsoft site. Just search for windows 7 beta.
Dont use that one so dont know, but innerspace works fine and keyclone works to:)

[Oternakn]

That's good news. Does it install as a dual boot over XP?Dont know, I have a shitload of HDD so i just used a spare to test with :rolleyes: it prob can if u use a tool for it.

[Tanntyn]

Download it Here ('http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/beta-download.aspx') , install help for dual booters is Here ('http://lifehacker.com/5126781/how-to-dual-boot-windows-7-with-xp-or-vista') . I don't know if it'll still be available when you click it, but give it a shot anyway.

[Herc130]

Good to hear, mostly only heard good things about it. Will just wait till it goes gold though before trying out, hopefully my technet account still good when it releases.

[moog]

Thanks for that... grabbing the 65bit version now :)

[Basilikos]

... grabbing the 65bit version now :)

?(

Unless that's a typo, then just nevermind this post.

[Sajuuk]

... grabbing the 65bit version now :)

?(

Unless that's a typo, then just nevermind this post.

It's the moog-only version. :)

[Coltimar]

I guess the 65 bit version is just a bit better than what I got :(

[propagandalf]

Aren't you running into driver issues? What about video card drivers, for example?

Heh, I just ordered Vista Ultimate 64bit and there's already a new OS?! :D

[Savage]

Im downloading right now to test / confirm.

[Sajuuk]

I guess the 65 bit version is just a bit better than what I got :(I guess The Power of Moog just isn't with you.

[Tasty]

I just finished installing it. I'll have to do a bit more in depth reading. Some of the more visible changes are... interesting.

See: Shaking a window :)

[moog]

I guess the 65 bit version is just a bit better than what I got :(I guess The Power of Moog just isn't with you.My amps go up to 11, too, you know :)

[cairnz]

Windows 7 will accept most Vista drivers and run more or less out of the box.

5 x WoW on W7 compared to Vista resulted in a bit lower memory consumption and a little less lag in crowded areas.

Keyclone works nicely, but can stop working after a while - no keystrokes gets recognized - neither in game or in setup window (override settings for dnp/rr) (happened a couple of times, author has been informed). Restart Keyclone and wows to keep rockin'.

(I use the 64bit version).

[welwyn]

i gather from the name that windows 7 will be to utilize intel i7 CPUs? if so what will microsoft want to implement that will be using up to 8 virtual cores.

[cairnz]

any SMP-aware OS can utilize the 8 cores in i7 - as long as the licensing model (for windows OSes) allow that many cores.

[Savage]

I just got done installing - I really like it so far. I'm surprised how easily the OS gathered the drivers and updates. A few little bugs here and there, but it IS a beta.

[Tonuss]

I guess the 65 bit version is just a bit better than what I got :(If the "just a bit" pun was intended, then this might be the Best Post of the Year.

[Sajuuk]

I didn't notice that...


I had a good laugh.

[Oternakn]

ok guys and gals i now have innstalled win xpx64bit to test against w7. And W7 is way faster in normal windows use and in EQ2 as i get 20fps with 4 clients on w7, I get 14 in xp64.
Gotta say that i havent hadd a single issue with keyclone or with any other part yet. and i have it on 4 pc´s
Odd thing is that i get better perf with the wdm ati drivers that W7 finds than the ones on ati site.

[welwyn]

so how does the beta thing work with an operating system. do you have to review it and supply info on it or is it just test it for bugs and if any we fix if not we release ect.
i like the idea of it if its any good as when i upgrade my system to an i7 system some time in the coming months it might be worth looking into.

[Savage]

so how does the beta thing work with an operating system. do you have to review it and supply info on it or is it just test it for bugs and if any we fix if not we release ect.
i like the idea of it if its any good as when i upgrade my system to an i7 system some time in the coming months it might be worth looking into.You basically download the ISO and Install it how you would any other Operating System. You can either run the ISO on your PC and install it to the Hard Drive from inside Windows or you can burn it to a DVD and run it from Bootup / POST. When you go to the download link, it will give you a Product Key that you need to write down / store somewhere. You can either insert that product key when you are installing Windows 7 or after it's installed; you have 30 days to do so.

From there, all you really have to do is test the OS and play around with it. There are no restrictions, but every window that you open has a little "Send Feedback" option next to the Minimize / Maximize / Close buttons on the top right. The whole point of a beta is to help the developers test out the software to find any bugs that might persist. With that in mind, just know that this is a BETA, and it should be treated as such. The final product might be a little different here and there, so don't expect too much from it.

Overall, however, I think that it is much better than Vista for the following reasons:

1) Lesser system requirements (At the moment). It looks like it performs and looks the same as Vista, if not better, but can run on slower systems.
2) Improved Start Bar - The "Quick Launch" was replaced with a little bit better version of itself. Hard to explain; you have to see it for yourself.
3) Little improvements to the UI here and there that you will come across as you play around with it.

It's basically, in my mind, just a re-do of Vista. It's got the same basic feel of Vista with Aero, but just a few improvement tweaks.

[Yamio]

This beta version is good until when? May? June?

[Caspian]

I guess the 65 bit version is just a bit better than what I got :(You win


seriously.


The Windows guys here at my office have had it for a couple of weeks and their MS sales guy said that it is called "Windows 7" because "Windows Vista - Fixed!" Didn't sound very good to the marketing guys.

They have been very happy with it so far for office computing - I think they also play COD on it and have had no complaints.

[Tasty]

so how does the beta thing work with an operating system. do you have to review it and supply info on it or is it just test it for bugs and if any we fix if not we release ect.
i like the idea of it if its any good as when i upgrade my system to an i7 system some time in the coming months it might be worth looking into.You basically download the ISO and Install it how you would any other Operating System. You can either run the ISO on your PC and install it to the Hard Drive from inside Windows or you can burn it to a DVD and run it from Bootup / POST. When you go to the download link, it will give you a Product Key that you need to write down / store somewhere. You can either insert that product key when you are installing Windows 7 or after it's installed; you have 30 days to do so.

From there, all you really have to do is test the OS and play around with it. There are no restrictions, but every window that you open has a little "Send Feedback" option next to the Minimize / Maximize / Close buttons on the top right. The whole point of a beta is to help the developers test out the software to find any bugs that might persist. With that in mind, just know that this is a BETA, and it should be treated as such. The final product might be a little different here and there, so don't expect too much from it.

Overall, however, I think that it is much better than Vista for the following reasons:

1) Lesser system requirements (At the moment). It looks like it performs and looks the same as Vista, if not better, but can run on slower systems.
2) Improved Start Bar - The "Quick Launch" was replaced with a little bit better version of itself. Hard to explain; you have to see it for yourself.
3) Little improvements to the UI here and there that you will come across as you play around with it.

It's basically, in my mind, just a re-do of Vista. It's got the same basic feel of Vista with Aero, but just a few improvement tweaks.

I believe they were/are focusing more on compatibility and performance improvements over UI changes n stuff. But I don't really have any research to back that statement up so don't quote me on it :P

[welwyn]

so it does run out eventually this beta thing?

[moog]

so it does run out eventually this beta thing?
According to...

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/beta-download.aspx


Watch the calendar. The Beta expires on August 1, 2009. To continue using your PC, please be prepared to reinstall a prior version of Windows or a subsequent release of Windows 7 before the expiration date.

[ahnubis]

ok so I got win 7 installed and booted into win7 but now I cant see my folders where i installed wow on.

can anybody tell me how to get to that and launch wow on windows 7 when its installed on vista?

or do i have to reinstall those too....

[Eldi]

ok so i run 4x wows on one pc on 32bit xp hows it compare to that? (xp is way over vista)

[Gares]

I may have to try this out with dual boot to see if it solves some of my game problems with /follow and vista crap.

[genocyde]

(xp is way over vista)

I'm curious how Win7 deals with things like symlinks and stuff typical to our community. Cause the above post is not my experience, my Vista computer thrashes my xp boot in performance.

[Ozbert]

I installed Windows 7 64-bit on my main machine last night on a blank hard drive and so far I'm very impressed. It's Vista, but with a snazzy new taskbar and noticeably better performance.

Under Vista, when in Dalaran my five shamans would be lucky to get 5fps each. Now, my main gets 25fps and the four clones are all at their 15fps cap. This is very encouraging. I'm just worried that Microsoft will use the months before official release to pack a load of bloat into it and slow it down again.

The latest Vista 64-bit Nvidia drivers work fine. The rest of my hardware was supported by Windows straight off, apart from a couple of "unknown devices".

One small thing to note, if you install Win7 on an unpartitioned disk, it will create a small 200MB partition at the beginning of the disk to conform with the EFI standard (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EFI_System_Partition). If your disk is already partitioned and formatted before you run the installation you can avoid this happening, although I see no harm in it myself.

[Duese]

windows vista = new windows ME

So, by that logic...

Windows 7 = new Windows XP?

Please... pretty please... sugar on top?!

[Ticks]

windows vista = new windows ME

So, by that logic...

Windows 7 = new Windows XP?

Please... pretty please... sugar on top?!So by your logic, you should stick to Macs.

[Syro]

i gather from the name that windows 7 will be to utilize intel i7 CPUs? if so what will microsoft want to implement that will be using up to 8 virtual cores.

No, it's named 7 because it's the seventh version of windows.

[Rin]

I can't wait to install this tonight :thumbsup:

[Ellusionist]

windows vista = new windows ME

So, by that logic...

Windows 7 = new Windows XP?

Please... pretty please... sugar on top?!I totally see a connection here. Windows Millennium was another one of Microsoft's "fuckups". While Vista is my favorite operating system out of all my computers (XP machine at my shop, Macbook Pro laptop, and Vista @ home for the 5-boxing), it runs well because I have (and most of us do) a "built" computer.

Most people just buy a computer so they can check their e-mail or browse the web. These are the people that give Vista a bad name, because they think their $399 OEM PC should be able to run the latest and greatest software with huge success.

My $0.02:
----------------------
Early 90's: Windows 3.0/3.1/3.11 - At the time it was released, it was good.
1995: Windows 95 - A large step for mankind. HELO preemptive multitasking!
1998: Windows 98 - Same shit, different day.
1999: Windows Millennium - Sucked. Take Windows 95/98 and put it in a blender. There's your Windows Me. Honestly, it was just a way for Microsoft to make money. Why couldn't they just patch '98? Did we *NEED* another version of Windows? 2 years later, XP was introduced. STOP REPRODUCING ALREADY!!!!!111one1111!!!!
2000: Windows 2000 - Wasn't really preinstalled on home machines, but was stable as hell. Might as well have been XP. (Same kernel?)
2001: Windows XP - Rocked, still does.
2007: Windows Vista - I've never seen a problem other than manufacturers not being prepared and not creating drivers quick enough. They knew it was coming out, but don't prepare -- wtfman? Your old software doesn't work? Cry me a river. Dual-boot alongside XP and quit your whining. People don't like change, so they give it a bad name saying "it sucks". I see people every damn day in my store claiming they "hate Vista", but don't use a computer more than 30 minutes a day.
????: Windows 7 - Have the 64-bit ISO burnt, but have yet to install it on my Macbook Pro. Been too busy lately. :-/

That's all from memory, so if I'm off a year on the release of something, sue me!

[Ellusionist]

windows vista = new windows ME

So, by that logic...

Windows 7 = new Windows XP?

Please... pretty please... sugar on top?!So by your logic, you should stick to Macs.That makes no sense... ?(

"Stick to Macs?"

[ahnubis]

ok so I got win 7 installed and booted into win7 but now I cant see my folders where i installed wow on.

can anybody tell me how to get to that and launch wow on windows 7 when its installed on vista?

or do i have to reinstall those too....

anyhelp when unders windows 7 I cant see the HD with my wow installs

[Dban]

ok so I got win 7 installed and booted into win7 but now I cant see my folders where i installed wow on.

can anybody tell me how to get to that and launch wow on windows 7 when its installed on vista?

or do i have to reinstall those too....

anyhelp when unders windows 7 I cant see the HD with my wow installsYou should just be able to browse to it, go into "My Computer" and if you installed on seperate drive or partition your old one should still be visible.

[jettzypher]

so is there by chance another way to aquire the iso/key? the page is stuck on the "test drive the windows 7 beta" page with some form of load screen...its sat there for awhile now and
isnt goin anywhere...


EDIT: nvm...did a little leg work and found a link to bypass that initial screen they give you. now to get a spare hdd hooked up to install...

[Tonuss]

I think that there were multiple issues with Vista. I do agree that with the right muscle and the right tweaks, it works just fine. And it had a lot of nice touches. However:


These are the people that give Vista a bad name, because they think their $399 OEM PC should be able to run the latest and greatest software with huge success.

I don't blame the end user for that. I blame Microsoft and OEMs who decided that Windows Vista would be installed on that $399 PC. Even when you turned every available option off, it runs horribly slow on less than 2GB of memory, and simple things like opening up the Control Panel are as likely to freeze the computer as they are to actually work. That's not acceptable, not to the end user who bought a $399 OEM PC, or the IT manager who buys a $1100 Dell notebook with discreet graphics.

The other thing is that the previous updates had been anticipated and/or necessary. Windows 95 was a huge improvement over Windows 3.xx. Windows 98/98SE was a very good upgrade to Win95 and fixed or added a lot of stuff that made it much better to use. Windows 2000 gave us the best of both worlds- it gave Win9x users memory protection and better overall stability, and it gave WinNT users a much better UI and solid gaming support, turning it into a consumer OS. Windows XP added some nice improvements and updates to Windows 2000, though I think those could've been rolled into Win2000. Still, once you got used to it, it was a very solid OS. And getting used to it was easy-- you could make WinXP look and work exactly like Win2000.

Windows XP was, in my mind, the OS that Microsoft had been trying to make for a number of years. Windows Vista seems like the result of MS wanting to create a new Windows OS but not knowing what to add, because WinXP was so good. Instead of tweaking WinXP or making Vista an incremental upgrade (mostly graphical and security additions, etc) they created a bloated OS that had lots of nice features but required a ton of processing muscle to run well. I think that Windows 7 will be what Vista should have been, and will get MS on the right track.

[ahnubis]

is there a way to swap between windows7 and vista with out restarting?

[Prepared]

I think that there were multiple issues with Vista. I do agree that with the right muscle and the right tweaks, it works just fine. And it had a lot of nice touches. However:


These are the people that give Vista a bad name, because they think their $399 OEM PC should be able to run the latest and greatest software with huge success.

I don't blame the end user for that. I blame Microsoft and OEMs who decided that Windows Vista would be installed on that $399 PC. Even when you turned every available option off, it runs horribly slow on less than 2GB of memory, and simple things like opening up the Control Panel are as likely to freeze the computer as they are to actually work. That's not acceptable, not to the end user who bought a $399 OEM PC, or the IT manager who buys a $1100 Dell notebook with discreet graphics.

The other thing is that the previous updates had been anticipated and/or necessary. Windows 95 was a huge improvement over Windows 3.xx. Windows 98/98SE was a very good upgrade to Win95 and fixed or added a lot of stuff that made it much better to use. Windows 2000 gave us the best of both worlds- it gave Win9x users memory protection and better overall stability, and it gave WinNT users a much better UI and solid gaming support, turning it into a consumer OS. Windows XP added some nice improvements and updates to Windows 2000, though I think those could've been rolled into Win2000. Still, once you got used to it, it was a very solid OS. And getting used to it was easy-- you could make WinXP look and work exactly like Win2000.

Windows XP was, in my mind, the OS that Microsoft had been trying to make for a number of years. Windows Vista seems like the result of MS wanting to create a new Windows OS but not knowing what to add, because WinXP was so good. Instead of tweaking WinXP or making Vista an incremental upgrade (mostly graphical and security additions, etc) they created a bloated OS that had lots of nice features but required a ton of processing muscle to run well. I think that Windows 7 will be what Vista should have been, and will get MS on the right track.


Extremely true statements which should be praised and placed into a magazine some where! And Microshaft is still way better than MacIntrash.

[Ellusionist]

Most people just buy a computer so they can check their e-mail or browse the web. These are the people that give Vista a bad name, because they think their $399 OEM PC should be able to run the latest and greatest software with huge success.

Your statement is flawed.

*MOST* people buy a computer and expect it to work, out of the box. Not tweak it - not modify security settings - not have an MSCE cert. to use their PC. They are END USERS. They "user" the PC, they don't understand how it works, and they shouldn't have too.

Many of my co-workers (I'm a systems engineer) praise Vista. Ya - from a MSCE standpoint Vista is great - after to tweak it to your specifications.

To the rest of the Non-IT-Geek world - Vista is a STEAMING PILE OF SHIT. (and it offers absolutely nothing in terms of performance enchantments to the typical office worker, hence is a complete waste of money)
If you didn't mean it as a personal attack, then you really need to think/revise next time you make a reply. Because that's how I took it. Re-read your first sentence. It's a total "you're fucking wrong dude". Don't tell me I'm wrong. I'm in the field as well.

I've devoted time into helping others since I've been a user here. Sorry I don't have triple-digit post counts or have been a member since Henry Ford made the Model T, but I offer quality information when someone needs help.

[Rin]

Windows 7 64-bit is amazing. I just finished installing it (coming from vista x64), booted up my characters x 5 into Dalaran (not even on my i7 computer, but on my older box).. 0 lag, 35-40 fps, 2 monitors, and I'm not even using a maximizer (just have all 4 instances of WoW sitting next to each other on the 2nd monitor).

Websites are faster too.. sites that took 3-4 seconds to load are now loading instantly ( < 1 s)

As a result, response times from my characters seem to be faster as well... I've noticed a dps increase (over 100 dps average, per character... but it's still early to tell)


All I can say is damn....

// Rin.

[Ellusionist]

Most people just buy a computer so they can check their e-mail or browse the web. These are the people that give Vista a bad name, because they think their $399 OEM PC should be able to run the latest and greatest software with huge success. Let me rephrase what I meant, instead of what I said:

"Most people just buy a computer so they can check their e-mail or browse the web. These are the people that give Vista a bad name, because they think their $399 OEM PC should be able to run the latest and greatest software with huge success because it is brand spankin' new."

Sorry about that!! :D

Regardless of specs, if someone bought a computer brand new and *knew* there were higher-end models (more expensive), they'll still think what they bought should run everything on the market, simply because it's new. This isn't anyone's fault but the buyer.

This is also taking into consideration that the end user knows nearly nothing about computers. Which is a HUGE chunk of PC buyers. And I mean HUGE!!!

Windows 7 64-bit is amazing. I just finished installing it (coming from vista x64), booted up my characters x 5 into Dalaran (not even on my i7 computer, but on my older box).. 0 lag, 35-40 fps, 2 monitors, and I'm not even using a maximizer (just have all 4 instances of WoW sitting next to each other on the 2nd monitor).

Websites are faster too.. sites that took 3-4 seconds to load are now loading instantly ( < 1 s)

As a result, response times from my characters seem to be faster as well... I've noticed a dps increase (over 100 dps average, per character... but it's still early to tell)


All I can say is damn....

// Rin. You're making me want to just reformat my multiboxing machine just to slap a copy of Windows 7 on it. :-/

[-silencer-]

is there a way to swap between windows7 and vista with out restarting?
You want VMWare.

[Ellusionist]

is there a way to swap between windows7 and vista with out restarting?
You want VMWare.Also... I'm not sure if it'll work with Windows 7 or not but I can't see why it wouldn't...

But there's VirtualBox ('http://www.virtualbox.org/'), too! (Free)

[elsegundo]

I understand what Ellusionist is trying to say, but not all end users are that ignorant. there are some folks that think, "oooh wow, vista, that's the latest and greatest it must make windows faster and easier to use!" and there are those that read specs and can tell the difference, though they're not that techie either.

[Ellusionist]

If you didn't mean it as a personal attack, then you really need to think/revise next time you make a reply. Because that's how I took it. Re-read your first sentence. It's a total "you're fucking wrong dude". Don't tell me I'm wrong. I'm in the field as well.So you fully expect every end user to know everything possible about the OS they are using? That's going to cost companies trillions in training costs you know.
About as much of a loss as it would be for an operating system to include more than just the basics so it would be able to "offer something in terms of performance enhancements to the typical office worker". :D (Examples: Office, Photoshop, etc.)

...see below...



To the rest of the Non-IT-Geek world - Vista is a STEAMING PILE OF SHIT. (and it offers absolutely nothing in terms of performance enchantments to the typical office worker, hence is a complete waste of money)

[yarr]

(and it offers absolutely nothing in terms of performance enchantments to the typical office worker, hence is a complete waste of money)

I dunno if this was intentional but I think it's pretty funny.

Vista should give you a +100 speed enchantment, however all it does is give you -100 ram.

However Windows 7 is like getting a +10FPS enchant!

[jettzypher]

i got this up and running. the lappy is about half the system my pc is and its running rates equalt to what i get on the pc. and even lower fps, its still smooth. i cant wait to see how this works out on my desktop when i install it on there...

[Ozbert]

A bunch of handy Windows 7 tips here: http://blogs.msdn.com/tims/archive/2009/01/12/the-bumper-list-of-windows-7-secrets.aspx

[ahnubis]

Ok, so here is the deal with windows 7 issues im having


i set up a partition under vista for 25 gigs of space and set the drive letter in vista as L:

i made the cd and shut it down installed windows 7 on the new partition and i can now load it up and look at windows 7 but when I got to my computer I only see my Dualboot drive C: and my recovery D: i do not see my main 300 gig HD that has all the vista stuff on it.

do I need to change the drive letter in vista to something other than c to have it show up in windows 7?

[ahnubis]

Figured it out i had to manually map the OS from vista while in windows 7 to the drive letter F for me to even see that part of the HD

so if anybody else has this issue just go into the admin tools>computer management>disk management and click on the big OS drive that has no current drive letter set and give it a new drive letter

[jettzypher]

theres a faster way to get the disk manager. simply right-click my computer, select manage, then disk management after the window loads. youll also have access to do somet tweakin with services and such if you know what youre doin.

[Tonuss]

I understand what Ellusionist is trying to say, but not all end users are that ignorant.Many of them are, but that's how it is with consumers (and I include myself in there); they expect the manufacturer or retailer to help them. This is reasonable to an extent, though these days there's so much information out there that you should be able to get somewhat of a clue before you buy. But reality is what it is, and people will trust that if an OEM installed Windows Vista, it'll work the way Microsoft said it would in those TV ads. Well, when it doesn't, who is going to get the blame? Microsoft, mostly. And they deserve some of it, as well.

The Windows XP rollout was similar to Vista, IMO, with a lot of complaining and resisting. I believe that MS also extended Windows 2000 installation options for a while. To me, the biggest indicator of how bad Vista's rollout went is the fact that MS rushed Windows 7 development and seems to have it on track for a 2009 rollout, and they seem to have listened to the complaints. That's pretty huge, because there has to be a significant cost attached to what they're doing now, and they're willing to pay it in order to make Vista go away. Score one for the angry consumer, I guess. It does seem as if Windows 7 will be an excellent upgrade.

My intention is to buy and install it later this year, after it has shipped. I will then build my next monster computer station and run Win7-64 bit. Since I've reduced my debt over the past year quite a bit, I'll be able to afford to splurge. Core i7, gobs of Gigs, tons of Teras, so on and so forth...

[Ève <Wolfpack>]

oO New toy new Free toy 8o

Eve

[Oswyn]

Most people just buy a computer so they can check their e-mail or browse the web. These are the people that give Vista a bad name, because they think their $399 OEM PC should be able to run the latest and greatest software with huge success.

Your statement is flawed.

*MOST* people buy a computer and expect it to work, out of the box. Not tweak it - not modify security settings - not have an MSCE cert. to use their PC. They are END USERS. They "user" the PC, they don't understand how it works, and they shouldn't have too.

Many of my co-workers (I'm a systems engineer) praise Vista. Ya - from a MSCE standpoint Vista is great - after to tweak it to your specifications.

To the rest of the Non-IT-Geek world - Vista is a STEAMING PILE OF SHIT. (and it offers absolutely nothing in terms of performance enchantments to the typical office worker, hence is a complete waste of money)

Your statement is flawed. All of the people I know that are non-IT-Geek love Vista and have not had any issues.

[Taurgos22]

Are you able to go from 32bit vista to 64 bit w7? If so am i able to do the upgrade install and keep my old files or do i need to do a clean install. Any help would be great!

[d0z3rr]

Most people just buy a computer so they can check their e-mail or browse the web. These are the people that give Vista a bad name, because they think their $399 OEM PC should be able to run the latest and greatest software with huge success.

Your statement is flawed.

*MOST* people buy a computer and expect it to work, out of the box. Not tweak it - not modify security settings - not have an MSCE cert. to use their PC. They are END USERS. They "user" the PC, they don't understand how it works, and they shouldn't have too.

Many of my co-workers (I'm a systems engineer) praise Vista. Ya - from a MSCE standpoint Vista is great - after to tweak it to your specifications.

To the rest of the Non-IT-Geek world - Vista is a STEAMING PILE OF SHIT. (and it offers absolutely nothing in terms of performance enchantments to the typical office worker, hence is a complete waste of money)
What's an MSCE?? MCSE? Which doesn't even have much value anymore. 2008 is the new "steaming pile of shit" - MCITP.

So, typical office workers do not value drive encryption? Better handling of memory? Rewritten tcp stack? SMB 2.0? Two-way firewall?
All of those equate to better performance, better security in "end user" terms.

Oh well, have fun in the past! :thumbsup:

[d0z3rr]

Are you able to go from 32bit vista to 64 bit w7? If so am i able to do the upgrade install and keep my old files or do i need to do a clean install. Any help would be great!Clean install. 32bit is completely different architecture than 64bit. It would need a complete OS reinstall. Depending on how your hard drive is partitioned, you may or may not be able to keep your old files.

[Taurgos22]

ahh alrighty. thanks alot

[Knobley]

Re-read your first sentence. It's a total "you're fucking wrong dude".

Your statement is flawed. What he said was, "Your statement is flawed" not "you're fucking wrong dude".

[Oternakn]

LOL make a post about A OS and how it improve ur boxing and peeps start bashing each other about other opinions non related to boxing :thumbup:
And and to those that wonder if W7 64bit is better than xp 64bit. ITS WAY better and its a beta. But remember guys if u dont got the skills dont install a beta, cuz it could go wrong pretty fast, like if u dont know how to install it... Dont do it.

[jettzypher]

actually...it retains everything that was originally on the HDD if you install 7 over it. it takes everything and sticks it in a folder named Windows.old. my install did at least, and i went from 32bit to 64bit.

[weeep]

Don't be too excited about the new OS. There is NO visible performance improvement for multiboxers over Vista. New UI changes are nice, UAC is much less annoying and is actually usable now, but system performance under heavy load stays the same. I'm having exactly same framerates and memory consumption as I had in Vista. And it is not a "OMG I INSTALLED IT 5 MIN AGO AND IT IS TOTALLY AMAZING" post. I've been heavily using for last 3 days for multiboxing and I do not see any noticeable improvements.
If you're interested I'm 5 boxing on q9550@3.8GHz\8Gb\AMD4870 1Gb\30'' display. It still lags in crowded areas.

[Rin]

Don't be too excited about the new OS. There is NO visible performance improvement for multiboxers over Vista. New UI changes are nice, UAC is much less annoying and is actually usable now, but system performance under heavy load stays the same. I'm having exactly same framerates and memory consumption as I had in Vista. And it is not a "OMG I INSTALLED IT 5 MIN AGO AND IT IS TOTALLY AMAZING" post. I've been heavily using for last 3 days for multiboxing and I do not see any noticeable improvements.
If you're interested I'm 5 boxing on q9550@3.8GHz\8Gb\AMD4870 1Gb\30'' display. It still lags in crowded areas.

Must be your computer then. I'm not alone in people who have experienced significant frame rate increases as well as the ability to run around in crowded areas without issue. Not only that, but I'm able to use 2 monitors (2x 24" monitors, no maximizer... so each wow ran in an independent window) now while maintaining my frame rates. This simply was not possible under vista x 64 on my machine. After spending about 4-5 hours in WoW running my standard quests and battles, I noticed a significant dps increase on my hunters (100 dps per character increase). Nothing has changed about my setup at all except for the OS. I was also able to run around in Dalaran (on Burning Legion, which is a high/full pop. server), without any issues. Slight video lag when I ran into a busy area (60+ people moving around at once).

Also, while flying I am able to maintain full fps; there's simply no video lag while travelling across different zones in Northrend. I flew from Borean Tundra->Dragonblight->Howling Fjord last night, with 0 lag, both video and server side. And before you ask, no, my settings are not on low; actually I've turned them up just to see what I could do in order to get my machine to "stop", if you will. To add to my experiences, I was also able to keep Wowhead up and running, and I was able to lookup quests within seconds (e.g. Wowhead.com took less than 1 second to load, quest data also took less than 1 second to laod). For a maximum load test as well, I ran youtube in the background while having 5x internet explorer windows up, 5x wow's up, flash streaming media, and I was able to do all of this without any problems.

Edit too: All sites seemed faster overall, and this is coming from a guy who builds sites for a living :), so I'm well versed on the "load times" of everything. I should also note that I didn't even do a clean install (did not reformat my PC, I just simply upgraded because I was in disbelief after reading the Original Poster's information. For an OS to be the bottleneck seemed pretty dumb, but I guess Vista is just that - the bottleneck for much of my performance.)

Also, load times (going from the old world to the new world have improved greatly); going from Origimmar to Howling Fjord ran me about 10-11 seconds prior to Windows 7. With windows 7 all of my guys load up at the exact same time, all within 3-4 seconds maximum.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Are your anti virus programs on with Win7? Maybe everything is better cause Norton isn't on ......

[mrtwentyfourth]

iI have tried Windows 7 for a couple of days now, and it works great. The The downside atm is that I cant install kavoom km in W7. It sais that it doesnt support this OS.
In the meanwhile, what other programs can i use to broeadcast 1 mouse and 1 keyboard to 2 computers.
And, can i install W7 beta on two computers and use the same beta key i got when i registered for beta?

[jettzypher]

just go back and get another key...

[Ozbert]

I think the beta keys given out by Microsoft for Windows 7 come from a very small pool, only 20 or so.

If this is true, then you can be assured that tens of thousands of other users of the beta have the same key as you. I doubt theres a problem using the same key on two machines.

[Ozbert]

Don't be too excited about the new OS. There is NO visible performance improvement for multiboxers over Vista. New UI changes are nice, UAC is much less annoying and is actually usable now, but system performance under heavy load stays the same. I'm having exactly same framerates and memory consumption as I had in Vista. And it is not a "OMG I INSTALLED IT 5 MIN AGO AND IT IS TOTALLY AMAZING" post. I've been heavily using for last 3 days for multiboxing and I do not see any noticeable improvements.
If you're interested I'm 5 boxing on q9550@3.8GHz\8Gb\AMD4870 1Gb\30'' display. It still lags in crowded areas.Must be your computer then. I'm not alone in people who have experienced significant frame rate increases as well as the ability to run around in crowded areas without issue. Nope you're not alone. I've seen noticeable performance inprovements in both single- and multi-boxing.

Single-boxing I can now have shadows on full in Dalaran and it remains playable. Not so with Vista.

Multi-boxing, with five chars in Dalaran, they'd get around 10fps each under Vista. Now my main is up around 25fps and the four clones are at the 15fps cap.

I'm sure it does still lag in crowded areas. It just lags less than Vista.

[weeep]

Must be your computer then. I'm not alone in people who have experienced significant frame rate increases as well as the ability to run around in crowded areas without issue.
Must be your old OS then. Probably people who are experiencing performance boost were using Vista in its default state without turning off features that noticeably slow down its performance like Superfetch. Or its just the effect of clean install when your old OS is all garbaged and the new one does not have all that bloated software.
This OS is built on the same kernel as Vista, there is absolutely no reason to expect some dramatical performance boost. There are some default optimizations to system services, but you could just do them on your old OS on your own.

BTW those who are experiencing like 5-10 fps in Dalaran, did you try minimizing and restoring all your WoW windows? I found that doing this once or maybe twice magically boosts your performance to normal 30-40 fps/

[Oternakn]

Don't be too excited about the new OS. There is NO visible performance improvement for multiboxers over Vista. New UI changes are nice, UAC is much less annoying and is actually usable now, but system performance under heavy load stays the same. I'm having exactly same framerates and memory consumption as I had in Vista. And it is not a "OMG I INSTALLED IT 5 MIN AGO AND IT IS TOTALLY AMAZING" post. I've been heavily using for last 3 days for multiboxing and I do not see any noticeable improvements.
If you're interested I'm 5 boxing on q9550@3.8GHz\8Gb\AMD4870 1Gb\30'' display. It still lags in crowded areas.If u read my first post then u would have seen that at least I am getting a huge boost, And many many others gets it to. U gotta remember playing on a 30inc with a res over 3000x2000(if u got a good 30inc that is) could be ur issue. And my vista sp1 64bit was tweaked as much as it can. If u knew what u where talking about u would have known that the kernel in W7 has been reamped and made way smaller for faster usage. Its BASED of the same as vista, thats why u can use XP and vista drivers on W7. But hey if it dont work for u go back.

[weeep]

If u knew what u where talking about u would have known that the kernel in W7 has been reamped and made way smaller for faster usage. Its BASED of the same as vista, thats why u can use XP and vista drivers on W7. But hey if it dont work for u go back.Well, if you knew what you're talking about, you'd knew that smaller kernel is NOT faster ;) There are two options in compilers - generate small code OR generate fast code.
Anyway I'm not meaning to offend anyone. If it works for you, then fine, it's just a warning to those who doubt if this OS is worth wasting their time - it is not a 100% guaranteed boost. And since it is in beta stage, be ready for incompatibilities and blue screens. Personally I'm not using W7 because Avivo movie acceleration is not working properly here.

[Owltoid]

Anyone know how much RAM Windows 7 64-bit can handle? I've Google searched like crazy but everytime I thin kI get close to an answer it's on a website blocked at work.

Thanks!

[Varmon]

Anyone know how much RAM Windows 7 64-bit can handle? I've Google searched like crazy but everytime I thin kI get close to an answer it's on a website blocked at work.

Thanks!

16 Extabytes (1000 to the 6th bytes) or 16 billion gigabytes, however you wanna look at it :)

Consumer motherboards right now will *only* support typically around 12 gB though fwiw

[JasonB87]

As for how much memory I'm not sure I'm running 8 gigs but I'm sure it's a lot higher than that.

I've been running windows 7 since about 2 weeks out of beta release and have not had any incompatibility problems or bsod. I've also seen a performance increase as well. This is just what I've noticed on my system.

[Owltoid]

Anyone know how much RAM Windows 7 64-bit can handle? I've Google searched like crazy but everytime I thin kI get close to an answer it's on a website blocked at work.

Thanks!

16 Extabytes (1000 to the 6th bytes) or 16 billion gigabytes, however you wanna look at it :)

Consumer motherboards right now will *only* support typically around 12 gB though fwiw

As Freddie (Hotkeynet) pointed out:

Vista Basic 64-bit wil only support 8GB RAM
Vista Premium 64-bit will only support 16GB RAM
So, unfortunately, it's not a given that Windows 7 64-bit will support more than 8GB right now (though I'd hope so). The new machine I have coming in has 12GB of RAM and I'm trying to decide if I should install Vista Premium 64 or Windows 7 Beta.

[Varmon]

Interesting, I had no idea that different versions of Windows limited memory like that. Thats good to know, I actually use oem 64bit vista basic myself to box with (8 gB club) and have recommended it to others I know for gaming (people that don't really care about the OS and just want a gaming platform) granted I never really researched it but I just assumed from what little I had read that the other versions were just bells and whistles

[JasonB87]

I would like to point out if anybody hasn't noticed but the windows 7 beta install seems to be the ultimate version. not sure how that affects the memory limit.

[FunkStar]

What drivers for video cards are you guys using? I've been using windows 7 for a while now, and about once a day both my screens turn purple and the pc just freezes. When I boot up again there is no error or whatever, just that i shut down windows incorrectly.

Quite annoying!

System:
i7 920
6 gb ocz ram
gigabyte ex-58 mobo
2x xfx 260+ black edition

[JasonB87]

I'm running an evga 8800 gts with the 180.48 drivers. I've passed one the drivers windows 7 offers to install.

q8200 2.33 ghz
8gigs
foxconn p45a-s

[Freddie]

Actually even for joking around, 16 exabytes isn't the right number because 64 bit Windows uses 48 bit addressing for physical ram, not 64 bit. So the maximum joke number is 2^48. :)

Owltoid -- Microsoft may not have decided yet the limits for each edition. If you can't find that info with Google, you might want to try the Windows 7 development team's blog:

http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/

Or this interview with Mark Russinovich:

http://channel9.msdn.com/shows/Going+Deep/Mark-Russinovich-Inside-Windows-7/

I think there are other recent interviews with him on the web too.

[Freddie]

Owltoid, this looks promising. An interview with the Microsoft engineer who's in charge of the memory system in Windows. (I haven't listened to this one yet).

Edit: Oops, I just started listening to it, it was recorded in 2005

http://channel9.msdn.com/shows/Going+Deep/Landy-Wang-Windows-Memory-Manager/

[Owltoid]

I'd assume the beta version is the full functionality model, so I'm guessing it will easily support 12GB. When the product is actually released it will likely differ with version, similar to Vista, but then the information should be easy to find.

I'm rolling the dice and going with Windows 7 on the new PC...

[Ozbert]

What drivers for video cards are you guys using? I've been using windows 7 for a while now, and about once a day both my screens turn purple and the pc just freezes. When I boot up again there is no error or whatever, just that i shut down windows incorrectly.

I have an 8800GTX and I'm using the 64-bit Vista drivers from NVIDIA, version 181.22. I only installed those a few hours ago but they've been fine.

For the last few weeks I was using 181.20 and those were solid too.

[Riault]

I went from xp(32) to w7(64) what a nice change 4 more gigs of ram makes. I appreciate the thread.

Tx.

[Frojax]

I wonder if they are going to give the poor sods (myself included) that bought Vista a nice free copy of Windows 7 when it goes retail ... actually, do I want a copy of it? Meh!

[bryce]

Windows 7 has been good for me so far after a week of HEAVY use. I've got it dual booted with Vista Ultimate 64bit.

My specs are:

Intel C2D E8400 @3.8ghz
Gskill 8gb RAM
Geforce GTX260

[jettzypher]

i havent had a single issue with it on my lappy. but it wouldnt install on the compy. it stuck on that login looking screen after you boot from the disk. i let it sit for about 45min and nothing. i turned it off and went about my business. anyone encounter this?

[newways]

I was having dual screen issues with the gtx 260 and my old 2nd screen. the last drivers work good. I attribute the increase in performance in dalaran(worst zone) to the lack of BS installed on my comp. Ahh, nice fresh install... :)