Would you buy or no

[suicidesspyder]

Well i was searching thru ebay thinking of buying two more computers then ran into this one and was like omfg.

http://cgi.ebay.com/SALE-Extreme-Gaming-PC-Core-i7-965-X58-4870-X2-HTPC_W0QQitemZ250344721485QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDeskt op_PCs?hash=item250344721485&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A13 09|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50

Would you actually pay the 9k for this computer or no. If i had the money i probebly would and hook it to two 32 inch tvs. I seem like it would be very good to handle 5 + accounts anyone else have ne ideas or is it way to overpriced for the computer.

[spannah]

Nope, if I had the money I would rather get Dell Studio XPS ('http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=dxcwzy4&c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&kc=productdetails~desktop-studioxps-435mt') x 5, @ $1,499 each for a total of $7,495. And these come with 24 inch LCDs ...

[redaces95]

hell noo! I have just brought 5 cheap computer through hp there are $349 a piece and upgraded the videocard with the geforce 9500 $69.99 each at newegg so the total setup cost me about 450 and it runs wow great. 40-60 fps. it dosent take much to run wow.

[-silencer-]

LOL wow... the funny part is that this machine is nearly IDENTICAL to the box I'm in the process of building.. i7 965, asus rampage 2 exteme, 12GB, multiple raid arrays, two videocards, g15/g9 combo, etc.. except I'm using 2x 300GB velociraptors in RAID 0 with an SSD, X-Fi Elite, and 3x 24" + 1 22" LCDs, along with watercooling it in a custom case. I just ordered almost everything yesterday, so perhaps I'll start up a thread on my build with details on the process and results for those who are interested..

And my machine isn't costing me close to $9k.

[Bovidae]

That's a pretty case, but no.

The components are significantly less than $9k, and the builder isn't even offering a warranty; he's passing along manufacturers warranties (which might not even exist if he used OEM parts) I'd expect 24x7x5 year onsite warranty w/BJ for that price.

[Herc130]

Was bored, priced up everything they have listed on newegg. Found the exact brand and model for all of it except the CF bridge (didn't bother) and the addonics hdd tray ($50 at most). Came out to $6196 in just parts, so you are paying someone about $2500 to put a computer together. This is assuming this is just some joe blow like the rest of us buying all the parts at retail....which I would bet it is. And a big hell no I would not buy. You would need to build this same computer and sell it for less then what I could price all the parts together and build on my own before I even consider buying pre-made comps. Trying to sell it $2500 over what the combined parts sell for retail is silly and only the very very uninformed would buy this.

[-silencer-]

Trying to sell it $2500 over what the combined parts sell for retail is silly and only the very very uninformed would buy this.
Welcome to Dell XPS.

[Ellusionist]

If I had the money, I'd buy it. I don't know if I'd attract to it like a bug light, but the specs are decent. And if I had the money, I wouldn't care.

But in all honestly, I wouldn't buy a computer on eBay in the first place. Unless it was a refurb/off-lease that I just wanted to use as a cheap fileserver/webserver or something. But then we're getting to my last piece of information:

Being that I'm not a supermodel or celebrity, there's no way I'd pay that much for a system like that. :D If I were one of the two (supermodel or celebrity), I probably wouldn't need the eBay refurb, either. 8o

[RobinGBrown]

Regardless of wether it's a good price or not that box will devalue about 50% in the first three months - so you're blowing about $4K to get a top spec box for up to 3 months.

You'd have to be pretty rich and pretty dumb to go for that

[-silencer-]

Regardless of wether it's a good price or not that box will devalue about 50% in the first three months - so you're blowing about $4K to get a top spec box for up to 3 months.

You'd have to be pretty rich and pretty dumb to go for that

So, Intel is coming out with a chip faster than an i7 965E in 3 months? Please share us your infinite wisdom, oh wise one. The QX9770 was top-dog for over a year, and I'd bet the i7 965 will hold at least the same amount of time. You don't have to be pretty dumb to do the math on saving time in your life by getting things done quicker, nor do the math on cost-vs-time benefits. If it takes me 140 hours to compile a terrain database on a Q6600/8GB machine, and it only takes me 48 hours on an i7 965/12GB machine, I get a HELL of a lot more work done, which means I make more money. The $5k price of an excellent system easily pays for itself in a month. Hold your generalizations for the kiddies who think the world revolves around gaming.

For your own argument without regard to non-gaming use, the price of this box won't devalue by more than 10-15% in the next 3 months since i7 965, 12GB memory, etc will STILL be the best available. A couple new videocards will be out soon, but that's a minor difference in price when you're talking about the overall cost of a high performance system.

[RobinGBrown]

Regardless of wether it's a good price or not that box will devalue about 50% in the first three months - so you're blowing about $4K to get a top spec box for up to 3 months.

You'd have to be pretty rich and pretty dumb to go for that
Please share us your infinite wisdom, oh wise one.

If it takes me 140 hours to compile a terrain database on a Q6600/8GB machine, and it only takes me 48 hours on an i7 965/12GB machine

Hold your generalizations for the kiddies who think the world revolves around gaming.

For your own argument without regard to non-gaming use, the price of this box won't devalue by more than 10-15% in the next 3 months since i7 965, 12GB memory, etc will STILL be the best available. A couple new videocards will be out soon, but that's a minor difference in price when you're talking about the overall cost of a high performance system.



I did make a generalization yes, but you were an ass about it, this is an internet forum, not the source of all knowledge. Just because you have a highly specialised field where processing power makes a serious difference doesn't mean that everyone else does.

IIRC all computer hardware, for accountancy purposes, devalues by 100% in a year. If you think that you could buy that box for $9K and then sell it for $8K 3 months later then I think you're mistaken.

The kit in question is sold as a _gaming_ box not as a number cruncher, thus applying generalisations is fine, why are you being such an ass when it's a simple 'would you buy' question?

[Tynk]

check out http://www.biohazard-computers.com/ and take a look at the nuclear winter machines.

Quoted from the site "the phase-change cooling system keeps CPU operating temperatures at -20°C to -30°C"

[-silencer-]

Regardless of wether it's a good price or not that box will devalue about 50% in the first three months - so you're blowing about $4K to get a top spec box for up to 3 months.

You'd have to be pretty rich and pretty dumb to go for that
Please share us your infinite wisdom, oh wise one.

If it takes me 140 hours to compile a terrain database on a Q6600/8GB machine, and it only takes me 48 hours on an i7 965/12GB machine

Hold your generalizations for the kiddies who think the world revolves around gaming.

For your own argument without regard to non-gaming use, the price of this box won't devalue by more than 10-15% in the next 3 months since i7 965, 12GB memory, etc will STILL be the best available. A couple new videocards will be out soon, but that's a minor difference in price when you're talking about the overall cost of a high performance system.



I did make a generalization yes, but you were an ass about it, this is an internet forum, not the source of all knowledge. Just because you have a highly specialised field where processing power makes a serious difference doesn't mean that everyone else does.

IIRC all computer hardware, for accountancy purposes, devalues by 100% in a year. If you think that you could buy that box for $9K and then sell it for $8K 3 months later then I think you're mistaken.

The kit in question is sold as a _gaming_ box not as a number cruncher, thus applying generalisations is fine, why are you being such an ass when it's a simple 'would you buy' question?

LOL, for accountability purposes, the number for 90% devaluation is more along the lines of 3 years. For the company of a project I'm working on, they're all still using 4-year old dual Xeon machines because their value hasn't decreased enough to purchase new machines for everyone. There are plenty of casual users where processing power makes a huge difference - just look at the numbers for the i7 in video encoding. As for gaming, have you seen the number differences for Tri-SLI GTX 280's in an i7 965EE compared to a QX9770? They're huge:
http://www.guru3d.com/article/core-i7-multigpu-sli-crossfire-game-performance-review/1

And like a car, no.. you won't sell a USED $9k computer for $8k 3 months later, but that's not the valid comparison. We're talking new prices. If you were to buy a $9k computer today, it'll still cost you over $8k to buy those EXACT components 3 months from now because nothing newer will be coming out that soon and prices don't decline that quickly without newer products rolling out. The GTX 295 will still be the top GPU, and the i7 965EE will still be the top CPU. 12GB DDR3 will likely still be the most memory (4GB sticks aren't out for the masses yet), and 300GB Vraptors will likely still be the fastest mainstream hard drives. As for devaluation, 100% in a year is impossible. Tell me there is no one who needs a fast computer who wouldn't pay a couple grand for this machine a year from now. It'll still be faster than most machines available, even with the new releases over this coming year. This is why people still buy the Q6600.. it still has value after a couple years, just as the i7 will.

You're trying to state that if I buy a $50k car today, I can't sell it for $45k in 3 months, which is true. However, that's not a valid point since in 3 months the price of that car will still be $50k new - there are no newer models coming out.

And yes, I'll be an ass when someone makes asanine comments:
"You'd have to be pretty rich and pretty dumb to go for that"
For some people (obviously not you), $9k in disposable income is the equivalent of a college kid working part-time spending $30 on a new Blu-Ray movie. Calling people dumb for spending $9k on something they will use is simply being both ignorant and an ass.

[-silencer-]

check out http://www.biohazard-computers.com/ and take a look at the nuclear winter machines.

Quoted from the site "the phase-change cooling system keeps CPU operating temperatures at -20°C to -30°C"
Yep, phase cooling is about as good as it gets without needing to refill nitrogen tanks. A few years ago I had an Asetek Vapochill unit that kept the CPU (P4 Northwood) at around -40*C, but constant 100% humidity in Florida made it a pain in the ass to keep condensation from forming all over my motherboard. I had to cake nearly the entire motherboard with Vasoline and keep WARM air blown on it just to prevent condensation. I'm sure it'd be a great way to cool a CPU in Arizona or Nevada, but you have to deal with insulation and condensation too much in humid states to worry about shorting out components.

I'll stick to water cooling from now on.. since you're always at least 1-2*C above ambient, you don't have to worry about condesation since you'll never go under the dew point indoors.