Round robin with FTL

[PyrostasisTDK]

Im having issues getting round robin to work with my FTL setup. Currently working on my healing so I can do instances with pugs, and I have them all set up like damage spells, where they assist the toon driving with FTL and then Id like one at a time them to heal...however, atm they all heal in unision.

Has anyone gotten round robin with FTL setups to work?

[PyrostasisTDK]

150 views and no comments? So are others having this issue? Is there a work around? Anything?

[keyclone]

i've never seen the need for FTL, as i've used the /focus method for quite a while. (seriously, why use FTL instead of /focus method??)

that being said, i guess the issue is round-robin and hotstrings? there is no support for that at this time.

[PyrostasisTDK]

i've never seen the need for FTL, as i've used the /focus method for quite a while. (seriously, why use FTL instead of /focus method??)

that being said, i guess the issue is round-robin and hotstrings? there is no support for that at this time.the problem with focus was deaths and having multiple keys for multiple toons to get the focus from multiple people. So if bob dies, ted becomes main, you switch, then have to reset focus, then pass focus, then target focus.

With FTL, Bob dies, Ted becomes main and you just press lightning bolt, and your in business.

Rob, how hard would implementing roundrobin into hotstrings be?

[keyclone]

for me... i have set my focus and pip swap keys to be the same.
ie: bob, sam, joe

f8: /focus bob
f9: /focus sam
f10: /focus joe

that is the same on all characters. those keys are also my pip swap keys. hitting f9 will bring sam to the main area, etc

i also have '/follow focus' on the same key for all. sometimes i will add the '/follow focus' to the focus macros, but it can mess up casters.

after that, it's fairly simple. all my targeted spells are the same across all charcters:
ie:
/cast [target=focustarget] fireball

i just place the macros in the same slots... hit f8 at the beginning so all wows focus on my main (bob in this case)... and if bob dies, i hit f9 for sam... sam pip-swaps with bob and all remaining use sam as their focus. then i just click and fire normally.

it's been fairly simple for me. what am i missing?

(and yes, round robin hotstrings are in the next release)

[olipcs]

what am i missing? not much, only, that the ftl is able to do a leaderless setup without the use of focus, so focus can be used for other uses, and that infight it doesn't require you to press a "i changed my leader"-key (in your setup F8-F10), but only to simply switch the window you are actively playing.

[keyclone]

right, but when i switch my windows... i'm also changing my leader.
one key for both things (one is a wow macro, the other is the keyclone pip swap)

having focus might be useful, but i've managed fairly well without it.

it just seems like a lot of complexity for very little reward

[olipcs]

right, but when i switch my windows... i'm also changing my leader. yep, but in an ftl the otherway around "when i switch my leader, I also want to resize/reposition my windows" isn'T allways true ;)

having focus might be useful, but i've managed fairly well without it. I think this depends purely on playstyle and classes.
I personaly use my focus a lot in instances for example for cc, setting alternative targets, setting the backuphealer, setting the primaty healing target...
..but true, in normal gameplay or in easy instances its not realy needed and more a gimmick than a necessity.

it just seems like a lot of complexity for very little reward ..well this realy depends, and honestly on the wow-part of the setup i find the focus-method which requires a '[target=focustarget]' in every macro not easier than adding a '/click ActionButton..' to every macro.

For the hole keybinding-setup:

Yes this is much more complex and error-prone than in an focusbased approach.

But this is only true for keyclone, in HotKeyNet its simply adding one line to your script (like <ApplyTemplate FTL "1" "u">), if you created the initial templates once (or you simply copied them from an example).

Btw.: before this turns into an Keyclone vs. HotKeyNet debate:
I absolutly loved Keyclone (the program ;) )for its ease of use and all its great features,
but as soon as I got a little bit more in the hole hotstringing neccesary for an ftl,
I more and more loved Hotkeynet, for the possibilities and ease of creating FTL-HotKeys realy simple.

I personaly see it this way:
Both programms are great and wonderful, but they have a different approach of doing things, and therefor their strength lies in different areas.

[suprafro]

The big advantage for me with FTL over focused leader was freeing up focus which has been priceless in the Arena, honestly focus alone probably made winning 10x easier as it allows you to setup completely unexpected "one shots" on any target before they can react at all to bubble, shell, iceblock, etc

Aside from that ive also found FTL to be a bit cleaner when switching mains as it just always works flawlessly. With a focus based leader setup any alts whom are currently under certain CC effects like gouge will be unable to acquire the new leader as a target to focus until the effect expires

[knopstr]

Suprafro,

Would you please explain how you use "focus" for the one-shot type things...please. I've seen others allude to this, but when I 1st started mboxing I immediately began with FTL and as such am completely in the dark when it comes to using both (with focus for sheeping and one-shotting) systems at the same time.

If you could provide a couple of scenarios and maybe a macro or two it would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you

[suprafro]

I just use focus for burst combos, having people completely unaware of your target allows you to do crazy stuff that normally isn't possible. Examples would be killing them in literally one volley so they have very little to almost nill opportunity to hit bubble/iceblock hotkeys...way, way to powerful to waste that focus with CC IMO if you are a shaman group. Say your throwing lightning bolts at a DK...his hpally which is your focus comes into LOS to heal the DK... you hold your modifier key and hit him with a lava burst->chain lightning and he explodes. He won't know your casting against him until the spells fly in his direction, by that time it's usually too late. I think if a team fights you enough times they may start wising up a bit and preemptively bubble/iceblock...if I ever win regularly enough where thats actually a problem I'll let you know :)

So, the way I set focus is by targeting desired target with my current leader and hit a key which makes it a focus for the lead, as well as makes the alt target this target and set him to focus. I put this functionality on the same key that I use to switch to my current leader:

F8 = PIP toona , set toonas target to party focus

So you need a FTL mapping for each toon to aquire the current leaders target same as you have for lightning bolt, folllow, etc


Now that you are able to get focus targets efficently it's your preference on how to use it and this is ofcourse out of the scope of FTL as you can just use [target=focus] at this point


So to recap heres my lava burst on leaders target:


key press
(using a hotstring)
4

macro:
FTL target acquisition
....
/cast lava burst


here is my lava burst on focus:

key press
(NO hotstring)
alt-4

macro:
/cast [mod:alt, target=focus,exists,nodead] Lava Burst


The reason I like them all on modifier keys is that I want maximum control, I only want to cast on my focus when I have the opportunity to take him out with a huge LB->CL or LvB->CL combo

Let me know if something doesn't make sense