Nerf Elemental Mastery

[Menthu]

/wave

I might walk behind the facts, but this is proper shit.


Elemental Mastery now gives your Fire, Frost, and Nature damage spells a 20% increased critical strike chance and reduces their mana cost by 20%. Lasts 30 sec. (Old - Only affected your next spell, increased critical strike chance by 100% and reduced mana by 100%)
Anything until now had no effect on me, but this makes me sick. So long for "Nature Swiftness instant pewpew" or "instant kill Thunder Storm".

Ofcourse, because of the Elemental Oath our crit got abit better, and the new buff from Elemental Oath "could make" our crit better sometimes when it procs, but anything then 100% is shit imo.

BUT it lasts for 30 seconds, with could be a buff.

PvP: I guess its a pretty big nerf here. With one instantly killed, a match becomes way easier.
PvE: Very nice buff here. 30 sec. +20% crit chance.....whoa!

So, whats your opinion?

Sad jungletroll signing out,

-Menthu

[Rin]

Yeah, someone had started a thread about this a couple of days ago... but this change is great for PvE, yet it may be detremential to PvP (at least for a multiboxer, since you can no longer guarantee an instant crit x 4 or 5)

[accretion]

Agreed. A pretty big nerf for PvP (though you can still rip folks up for 30 seconds), and a huge boost for PvE. Since I'm a PvE'er, I'm fine with the change, but I sympathize with others that will get hit.

[Mokoi]

um perhaps I have missed something, but in PvE I put any crit over 40% in the same usefulness category as mp5... If it was haste or spellpower or something useful i would be OK with the disgraceful nerf to pvp, but honestly guys cmone on, why is it we're settling for a stat that blizzard has made almost useless past a point, and I know that with the ridiculous crit budget on most shaman items, im at my cap already talented and enchanted / gemmed.. and I could care less about a bit more for 30 seconds...

Its time we get a skill that helps us dump the stupid amount of mana we are constantly carrying in our pool... If I go under 75% mana on a boss fight in Naxx / Sarth / etc then I would be shocked. WTB more haste and spell power please.

[puppychow]

Has anyone checked if EM is dispellable in 3.08? That might be a counterbalance, would suck if a priest mass dispells it from your team :(

[entoptic]

Why is everyone crying about EM? I kinda enjoy the idea that we have to hit more then 1 key now to win.

Lets look at it like this.

5 shamans

Before
pop EM + NS +trinkets + CL in one handy button = iwin on 1 target

Now
5 FS followed by 5 LBR kills anyone. Yea it takes 2 more seconds but your crit rate is boosted and if FS is on the target then LBR is an auto crit. I really don't see an issue here. You can still spec into NS and do the FS + NS + LBR thing except now you get the goods with an additional 20% crit for 30 secs instead of a weak insta kill which you now already have all the time. This imo = way more kills.

Thoughts?

[Menthu]

Why is everyone crying about EM? I kinda enjoy the idea that we have to hit more then 1 key now to win. In Arena, thats actually what I am looking for. Pewpew 1 down asap, which only gets worse now. When a warrios rushes in, I dont got an extra 2 seconds to cast lightning bolts which get interupted aswell.

In Battlegrounds, you will benefit from this yes. 30 seconds is very nice, and will bring faster killing. I am with you on that.

Again, for PvE this is an amazing buff.

-Menthu

[Frosty]

I suck at PvP and only play on PvE servers...and my only Shaman is Resto spec'd.
So this won't realy affect me. I'm sure they will continue to nerf and buff things as they've done from day one, so the only thing to do is figure out a new strategy and move on.
We've got a lot of smart people here, so I'm sure it won't take you long to create a new "I win" button. ;)

[Menthu]

it won't take you long to create a new "I win" button
I am just a sad jungle troll because it wont get anywhere close to a "100% crit pew pew button". :thumbdown:

Ah well, maybe its time to start thinking about that 4x druid setup! :thumbsup:

-Menthu

[entoptic]

Why is everyone crying about EM? I kinda enjoy the idea that we have to hit more then 1 key now to win. In Arena, thats actually what I am looking for. Pewpew 1 down asap, which only gets worse now. When a warrios rushes in, I dont got an extra 2 seconds to cast lightning bolts which get interupted aswell.

In Battlegrounds, you will benefit from this yes. 30 seconds is very nice, and will bring faster killing. I am with you on that.

Again, for PvE this is an amazing buff.

-Menthu

FS + NS + LVB = iwin button

[entoptic]

it won't take you long to create a new "I win" button
I am just a sad jungle troll because it wont get anywhere close to a "100% crit pew pew button". :thumbdown:

Ah well, maybe its time to start thinking about that 4x druid setup! :thumbsup:

-Menthu

If you use FS then your LVB is 100% crit not to mention if you spec it you will do OMGWTFBBQ dmg compared to CL + NS + EM

[sqeaky4100]

I see a huge buff in pvp as far as battlegrounds go... Because usually it's a 10v10 skirmish ... In that case the extended crit will help

[hardcoded]

This looks like blizz "fixing" the Shaman itemization issue by nerfing a talent. This will make crit relevant again, which is a good thing. afaik haste/crit was underpowered for shaman and we didn't get any spell power buffs from stats either -- so it does help start to address the itemization issue by making stats more relevant.

for pvp -- same as everyone else - bg/wintergrasp is a boon and arena it will hurt. but arena will likely hurt until characters are not so squishy again.

[Multibocks]

Hmm well in PvE I must be doing something wrong as I gemmed for hit first (shamans sorely lack it through talents) and I have only 15% crit. Now I have a crapton of spell power and some haste (eh it's an ok stat). Haste I feel is really a lame stat and unless the buff how much % haste it gives per rating point I will always go for crit before haste. Not to mention shamans have a bunch of plateaus where more haste actually drops your dps. Now as for EM, think of it this way: If you are already high on crit (40+) the popping EM will mean 60% chance of critting... which imo is pretty damn good odds that you get a crit anyways AND it lasts more than one spell. The big IF: if it can be dispelled then its stupid and definitely a nerf.