/sign here if you got ROFLStomped

[blbjtb]

Thus far I went 0 and 3 and let me just say that was TOUGH haha

the team I went up against was

2 shammy
1 priest
1 DK
1 Warrior


I just got ROFL stomped it was rough. now granted I have REALLY crap gear so that being said im not surprised lol I just went in to that fight all full of theory crafting and left with my bubble burst.

Any tips and tools of the trade that I should know about?

[Ellay]

I got stomped pretty bad tonight, my optimism quickly seeped into pessimism as the night went on. If your not a ret paly / dk / rogue or mage, then your not on a winning team ><

[Stealthy]

I assume you're running 5 shammies and not 4 + separate healer?

Your gear is really bad. There's a lot of quest & BOE blues you can get that would be a significant upgrade to what you have. Have a look at my guide here:

Stealthy's Elemental Shaman Gear Guide for Northrend (Horde) ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=16963')

Also I see your exalted with the Warsong Offensive - which means you can get this shield - http://www.wowhead.com/?item=38462 and this head enchant - http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44702 - both of which would be a significant upgrade to you.

Cheers,

S.

[pinotnoir]

I have not started my arena yet this week. Its going to be hell I already know it. Just look at this video and see why its going to blow.

http://warcraftmovies.com/stream.php?id=96367&stream=1&h=fa3a18a5dca8f40ea7b70acc18549efe

Worse case I guess I can just go naked and get the blue pvp set.

[Dominian]

This kinda remindes me from the days ive just dinged 70 and went into the bgs with 7k hp.. Now im sitting at 13,5k against most players who have 20k!

The classes i struggle with!

Rogues - One of my shamans actually was dead before i managed to lesser healing wave him, i pretty much end up spam healing lesser vs a mutilate rogue as the damage is just insane.
Ret paladin - Only the ones that is well geared.

Muti rogues do have nerfs incomming and we all know that Ret Paladins relie ALOT on critting so they will not be so strong when i get my resillience up.

DeathKnights aint hard at all if i get deathgrip absorbed by groundings.

I would like to point out that this was from the SOTA.

However the aoe damage is in my opinion out of hand.. No one even bothers to focus fire anymore even against singel targets.

[Pact]

Might be worth speccing enchance for a week or so just to do the 8 x ghost wolfs. Pop that and sham rage and hope you can kill 1 or 2 guys before they kill you. Least then all you have to do is mop up.

Im not really looking forward to arena, Last time i only got into arena at the end of S4 as id only just hit 70. So that was a fun lesson in 10 losses a week for about 6 weeks.
Im sure it will get better as gear disparity is reduced anyway.

[Chaosomega]

I got stomped pretty bad tonight, my optimism quickly seeped into pessimism as the night went on. If your not a ret paly / dk / rogue or mage, then your not on a winning team >< - Ellay
That concerns me

[Tizer]

You only have to go to a BG to realise that multiboxing shaman isnt what it used to be in TBC. When i get wiped out in 2 seconds flat in situations where i could have survived back in TBC it kinda shows how much its changed. At the moment my view might be a little clouded but the only reason why i've not cancelled my accounts is A) im making some decent gold doing the daily quests and B) im stubborn and i'm hoping blizz will start tweaking things to get it balanced again.

[blbjtb]

At the moment my view might be a little clouded but the only reason why i've not cancelled my accounts is A) im making some decent gold doing the daily quests and B) im stubborn and i'm hoping blizz will start tweaking things to get it balanced again.

THIS

[suprafro]

What rating have you guys gotten to and what kind of records so far? I still haven't done arena yet this week , just been farming up honor in BGs

[Ellay]

I've hit the 1600's on the first day, but it's just not reliable. When a match ends and everyone from both sides of the team had 30-40k damage done and 1 ret paladin has 150k damage done in a span of 30 seconds. There is issues. Especially when most of the damage was done while bubbled.

[blbjtb]

So ellay what plan do you have... If any?

[Talamarr]

So ellay what plan do you have... If any?
5 x Ret Pallys....duh!

[magwo]

The most severe problem that I see is that many classes have been given tools to control and destroy stacked characters. Many games I'm being so AoE CC:ed, I don't even get one heal off.

I said it before, and I'm saying it now.. I'm pretty sure these design choices are to counter arena boxing.

[Ellay]

My plan is to get pvp gear to get my stamina up to an appropriate level to compete. I think we need a good amount of resil and at least 20k hp to do well. Also the next patch nerfs Ret Paladins hardcore, 50% less damage while bubbled and they can't pop wings + bubble at the same time. We also gain better mitigation.

[Ellay]

I think we will do well overall, it is just that damage is out of control to a phenomenal level. Teams that were #1 on their bg's aren't breaking 1600 and can't maintain a winning record (non multibox) so it's not just us experiencing these issues. Rogues are complaining about how lame it is to 2 shot everyone. It's coming everywhere.

[magwo]

Yeah hopefully things will calm down. Bought trinkets today.. up to 454 resilience on my main.

[Stabface]

Burst is totally out of control, not even funny. I have 19K HP and 400+ resil on my lock and often die before I can even trinket out of a CC. Rogues, Paladins, Mages, Warriors, DK... all stupid huge burst damage. Raid mobs do not kill me this fast!

[blbjtb]

My plan is to get pvp gear to get my stamina up to an appropriate level to compete. I think we need a good amount of resil and at least 20k hp to do well.


Question is this are you talking about getting the blue stuff? or do you actually think it will not be out of the question to get some epics?

Im totally not about to give up Im having way to much fun Gear is a huge issue though so thats step one..

If only I could clone myself I would make one of the versions of me stay @ home.

[entoptic]

I think we will do well overall, it is just that damage is out of control to a phenomenal level. Teams that were #1 on their bg's aren't breaking 1600 and can't maintain a winning record (non multibox) so it's not just us experiencing these issues. Rogues are complaining about how lame it is to 2 shot everyone. It's coming everywhere.

It will just take some time for the Devs to patch and for the players to understand how this new style of dmg and heals plays out. Everyone is new again and even the best are getting owned. It's a nice reminder that we are not perfect.

Ellay do you use flameshock and lavaburst? If so what are you hitting for? Remember magma totems are going to be a nice addition to our arsenal soon. 600+ dmg a tick.

[Ellay]

Yep, I use Flame Shock / Lava burst and that kills any target pretty much, you just throw a Chain Lightning with it to ensure the kill. I have 0 issues dropping targets in Arenas. The problem is that so does the other team, it's not even how it used to be with 4 DPS where they would zerg down a single target, they can zerg 3 down at the same time. So I can drop one of them and 3 of you are gone. (this is against coordinated teams if you can call them that :)

I think the epic gear is obtainable especially anything up to 1700, it's just going to take time, I don't really see this as the light from the end of the tunnel. They need to tune Arena's. There is 0 reason for teams to have MS or even healers for that matter, 2 dps is reigning supreme in 2's. 3 dps is unstoppable in 3's, and 5's usually use 1 healer and 4 dps. It's a train wreck :)

I'd like changes to happen sooner rather than later, and I think they will - Blizzard just needs to prioritize a little better.

[Stabface]

600 a tick on a totem is nothing when people are getting 4K+ hits, there's just no way to heal through it, nor will resilience help you since it's not even a crit.

Personally I'm just going to be doing my 10 games and farming the crap out of honor to buy all the trinket stuff. I made 25K honor not even really trying hard, so it should go fast.
(As a note I'm not boxing the arenas right now, just doing 2v2 dual warlock which is probably the worst combo right now tbh).

[Duese]

<Roflstomped> is the name of my guild.

Just trying to express the awesomeness that is the word Roflstomped.

You may resume conversing about PvP's and stuff.

[Dominian]

Well from my experience i would say were at a peak were people have full epic dps gear and none have stamina or resillience.

Mutilate rogues is getting hit by the nerf bat and the same with ret paladins.

There seem to be a caster shortage in bgs theese days..

Well expect from a arcane mage i meet last night with 23k hp and he hit like a fking train.

7500 pyroblast QQ! thats like 10k overall with the debuff :P

Well it went into the grounding totem twice and it was fun to see while i just purged off the rest of his buffs!

[larifari]

i only made bg´s and against skilled melees my whole 5-box group is in danger :p
i ve to say that in bc i could farm one pvp- piece in 2 evenings- Now i already played 4 evenings and i only got 40k honor and can´t afford anythig. I don´t know how, but my money is gone as well- its so frustrating :(

[RobinGBrown]

I'm pretty sure these design choices are to counter arena boxing.
I realise that last season you guys had a great time with your 5 shaman teams but from a game balance point of view arenas should only be winnable with a mixed team. Any single class teams should get wiped 9/10.

The same applies to multiboxing, multiboxing should not be an 'IWIN' button in arenas, winning in arenas should be down to people working together and synergy of abilities, not oober-DPS/oober-abilities.

To my mind there's too much emphasis on gear - but that's the nature of WoW.

Lastly I got into multiboxing to do PVE content that needed a group, so I'm not overly concerned to find that top level PVP content is hard _or impossible_ to multibox. You had it 'easy' last year, that doesn't mean this year will be the same.

Thumbs up to Blizzard, their MMO still proves to be supreme.

[Tizer]

I sit at IB Choke with 3 other boxers, people still fail to get past but it is a lot harder and we've been wiped a few times which would have been impossible before wrath :)

[Ellay]

I have started to upgrade my gear a little bit with PvP items, got the Savage shoulders with badges and the Hateful Boots with honor - up to 213 resil and hp went up about 1k. You can start to feel the power grow within. I like that feeling :)

[Tizer]

Yeah i thought that too when i got the stormhide set and the pvp trinket last night. Then i went into AV and got fucked from every direction possible. :D I'll try keep my head above water for the time being but im certainly drowning in the aoe. :x

[Multibocks]

Robin you are such an annoying killjoy. Go find another board. No one here expects to IWIN, and if they do it will only take a few arenas to realize their error. There are some pretty fantastic MBers out there that SHOULD kick the crap out of some really bad teams. Damage is just too high right now.

edit: and a P.S. for your annoying "I realise that last season you guys had a great time with your 5 shaman teams but from a game balance point of view arenas should only be winnable with a mixed team. Any single class teams should get wiped 9/10." Hey guess what? All rogues teams can do some RIDICULOUS stuff, so stfu about your kudos to blizzard.

[mrmcgee21]

I got pyroblasted by a mage ( it was a crit ) for 16,736 damage ( I resisted about 4k of it so it was something like 12k dmg done due to our talent I believe )in one of our arena's with 523 resil when we did games a few nights ago ... so yea mages are just as bad as rogues. I'm up to 688 resil and honestly it doesnt do shit, I didnt gain hardly any hp from the gear I'm sitting around 17.5k hp. I can take all my pvp gear off and roll in pve and not even tell a difference, which I have done accidently after raids a few times. Still have a few items to go though, and I intend on doing a few more games at the end of the week once im fully geared out, but I'm not holding my breath or anything, probably just have to wait for the patch and see whatever they intend to do about the damage in arena ( which might be nothing, who knows ).

[Flora]

Questions.

1. How much spell dmg will you have witth the first gear set ur aiming for ?

2. Will DPS be good enough to down 20-30 K players before they down you.

3. Almost every sinlge class now uses shitloads of AOE dmg meaning multiboxes are in danger alot due to the AoE dmg.

4. I tried some arena games now and was purly smashed down my boots by 4 dps teams barely able to kill 1 person before everyone was dead.

Pally hear had little to no chance keeping me alive.
- My current gear is full Stormhide crafted, spell dmg 1300ish with totem 1600. 459 Resiliance


5. So basically will it be worth working 24/7 again for first pvp gear or will we get steamrolled in 2 months aswell.

6. i am very aware of that gear right now is what is missing for us multiboxers. We will get gear but so will the other people can we burst down 30K or not ?

[Boylston]

3. Almost every sinlge class now uses shitloads of AOE dmg meaning multiboxes are in danger alot due to the AoE dmg.

This has concerned me for a while now. With a 4xShaman+Partner setup, I used to be able to prioritize the worrisome classes/specs like Fire Mages that could cause AoE havoc for the team. (Or at least heal through the one per team that might have that ability and then resume blasting away). Post 3.0, so many specs have new AoE abilities, many quite potent, that I think almost any team you go up against is going to be able to just AoE burn down a multibox team that is clumped together.

I think the biggest indicator that the arenas have problems is NOT that multiboxers are suffering, however. I think it's that pre-WOTLK gladiator teams that have a lot of skill and practice time together are getting their butts handed to them. I wouldn't necessarily expect the same pre-WOTLK comps to be as inherently good post-expansion, but to hear stories about teams that were Gladiator-ranked for multiple seasons pre-expansion that can barely hit 1600 now is an indication that there are big balance issues.

Even with a lot of tuning, I still think multiboxing arena successfully will still face a big problem with more AoE damage. I don't think it's any kind of Blizzard conspiracy to ruin multiboxing, either. (I think it mostly stems from them being responsive to player QQ about "my class doesn't have AoE in PvE". Too many people parsing WWS data...)

[Ellay]

A lot of AoE right now is getting toned down, because it's making PvE a joke as well when you AoE every pack.

[entoptic]

600 a tick on a totem is nothing when people are getting 4K+ hits, there's just no way to heal through it, nor will resilience help you since it's not even a crit.

Personally I'm just going to be doing my 10 games and farming the crap out of honor to buy all the trinket stuff. I made 25K honor not even really trying hard, so it should go fast.
(As a note I'm not boxing the arenas right now, just doing 2v2 dual warlock which is probably the worst combo right now tbh).

1 magma totem is pointless however 5 together is 3k and up dmg every second which is nasty if you are doing spl dmg on top of that. It is simple, more dmg = faster kills.

How is dual boxing 2 warlocks not boxing?

[hardcoded]

i ve to say that in bc i could farm one pvp- piece in 2 evenings- Now i already played 4 evenings and i only got 40k honor and can´t afford anythig. I don´t know how, but my money is gone as well- its so frustrating :(I ran into the same problem initially -- it is hard to farm honor, but Wintergrasp gives out honor like it's going out of style. 4-5k for a win and like 3-4k for a loss and you get tokens towards titan-crafted gear which comes out real soon now ( trademarked :P ).

I started raking in almost 15k honor by doing wintergrasp and its dailies and then I can play some AV leisurely or switch it up for marks (for concerted efforts daily).

[Stabface]

600 a tick on a totem is nothing when people are getting 4K+ hits, there's just no way to heal through it, nor will resilience help you since it's not even a crit.

Personally I'm just going to be doing my 10 games and farming the crap out of honor to buy all the trinket stuff. I made 25K honor not even really trying hard, so it should go fast.
(As a note I'm not boxing the arenas right now, just doing 2v2 dual warlock which is probably the worst combo right now tbh).

1 magma totem is pointless however 5 together is 3k and up dmg every second which is nasty if you are doing spl dmg on top of that. It is simple, more dmg = faster kills.

How is dual boxing 2 warlocks not boxing?

Magma totem ticks every 2sec so at 600 a tick its 1500 dps per target from the 5 totems... its good in some situations but not really great.

I'm just running a single warlock right now (really wish I wasn't, leveling a rogue atm) and do 2v2's with a friend.

[Multibocks]

Your team will be dead before those totems even get a chance to kill someone.

[fura]

played 4 arenas, had 3 of them 2 warriors charge and bladestorm me. didnt have time to even put totems down before i died. other one rogue and pally and war just destroyed me. pretty depressing really.

its crazy that longest game I had was about 6 seconds.

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[pinotnoir]

I knew arena was going to suck for us. This only confirms my fears. I will do my 10 arena games Monday and I am getting the lube ready. The best I can do is just play 10 games a week and get the blue pvp set. I can get the epic non set items with honor and keep trying vault for hatefull or deadly items. I would advise everyone to run vault with 1 toon. This gives you more chances at drops. It sucked this week because I ran it on each toon heroic and normal and saw 1 shaman drop. It was resto and they gave it to the resto shaman over me even though I won the roll. No biggy I understand. However, out of 10 runs you would think I would see shaman loot more than 1 time. It was nothing but plate over and over.

On a side note the pally bubble crap is sooooo stupid. They can just run into your group bubble and kill everyone. Its not bad if only one does it but if you have multiple gg. I may just start every arena and wait for the charge. Try to EM Thunderstorm them. If I can drop novas and time the Thunderstorm right as the nova goes off maybe I can kill someone. Those 20k+ health guys suck. Speaking of health. I did a wintersgrasp and alliance started with 15 stacks of tenacity. They all had 60-70K health and own the hell out of anyone they touched. They also had 16 vehicles in a matter of a few minutes. The match ended in under 5 minutes. I rode to the west vehicle station died.. Spawned road towards our base and the game ended. Thats how fast it was when they had 15x Tenacity. Really stupid pvp. I hope blizzard fixes this crap because its horrible.

[Ellay]

I keep switching back and forth on how difficult it really is. I went 7-3 tonight.
With Stamina and Resil I can see myself doing well. The patch just needs to arrive asap, and I want some pvp gear! :)

[Hachoo]

Some of you guys are really full of yourselves... 2 points:

1) Multiboxers are hardly a blip on blizzards radar. NOTHING that they change is "because of us". Out of 11 million players...there are hardly any multiboxers, blizzard really doesn't care how we play or how it effects pvp or pve, so don't think we're somehow special and the nerf bat is happening because of us.

2) Everyone is complaining about Arena and ALL of the points people are listing right now are the exact same complaints by SINGLE boxers out there also. This has nothing to do with us other than the fact that we're clumped together closer than most teams that play with 5 individuals. Theres posts flying all over the place about arena matches lasting 5 seconds, people getting 2 shotted all day long, etc. It WILL be changed because as of right now Arenas are hardly a sport at all, more like a one sided slaughter that ends fast.

Bottom line is, its obvious blizzard knows things are f'ed up right now and they will be balancing things over the next month or two. Things are way out of whack, why people assume "this is it, this is what we're stuck with, multiboxing is over" beats me. At level 79 in Sholazar the other night I had a Retribution Paladin fly down and land in front of me and immediately start attacking. He killed my entire team before I could hurt him - he was bubbled the entire time. You'd have to be daft to assume Blizzard is ok with that type of scenario occuring.

[Hachoo]

Btw here is a blue post from today I think:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13771097393&pageNo=1&sid=1#9

Basically says they don't like the burst damage being so high, etc and they're evaluating now.

[Zal]

I just got wtf owned, all the teams i'm fighting are in 10-25 man raid gear and have a good 3k-4k hp more then me. Silence my healer, CC one of my guys, and aoe the rest.
Ellay make a video!

[Ellay]

I'm working on it :) I'm not exactly doing amazing, but I'm pulling off a better win than loss ratio so I guess something is going right :P

[magwo]

Things are way out of whack, why people assume "this is it, this is what we're stuck with, multiboxing is over" beats me.

Well, maybe you haven't experienced what people can do against stacked characters yet.


When 3.0 hit, I dropped from 1900ish to 1600ish.. partly due to retri dps and all top teams being replaced by retri teams.. but also due to the massive amount of aoe dps and aoe control (knockback, stun, silence) that classes were given.
People seem to think that this doesn't matter.. but I'll argue that boxing in arena will not be viable while these abilities are in place, which they will be, AFAICT.

[magwo]

By the way I have been roughly as successful with 4+1 dps as with a healer.. hanging on slightly below 1500, winning mostly against scrubs. :)

[Ruodhaid]

hmm i have made about 60k honor the last 2 days, iv had scores like this in av and im only 78 still in s4 gear, i have hatefull ring cloak and boots in my bank, and i dont relly think it will be worse then it was right when i hit 70 ind the end of s3

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yeah i have been trampeld down by some aoe every now and then, but that did happen to me in the start at 70 aswell, so lets just get some gear and then see :)

[Zal]

Update: current record of 18-23, 1508 rating. What i learned: Don't try to burn down DK first, Focus target killing is amazing (can't heal what you can't see coming), and rogues are OP beyond belief.

[Grimmace]

I'm pretty sure these design choices are to counter arena boxing.
I realise that last season you guys had a great time with your 5 shaman teams but from a game balance point of view arenas should only be winnable with a mixed team. Any single class teams should get wiped 9/10.
You make zero sense with this statement, any team with 5 individual players that are GOOD at what they do will have an advantage over a boxer due to being able to do alot of things we can't group class makeup being single or varied has its ups and downs but to say that "Single class teams should be wiped 9/10 times" is just silly what about the non boxer single class 5 man boomkin teams ? or other variations? Anyone playing any style team in arena will have strengths and weaknesses and if that team regardless of makeup is well played and uses their strengths they should have just as good of a shot at winning as anyone else.

[puppychow]

How are the NON shaman arena teams doing? Are there any that are posting here and playing arena? I would think a combo of something like 5x ret pallies or 5x DKs (or 4+healer) might do decent.

[algol]

Don't try to burn down DK first, Focus target killing is amazing (can't heal what you can't see coming), and rogues are OP beyond belief.

Kill order is generally healers first, then anyone with poor mitigation (or the other way, depending on the mitigation of the healers and how annoying they're being). The goal when facing multiple enemies is to make there be fewer enemies. If you successfully get to the point where you outnumber them meaningfully, it becomes much easier to kill any arbitrary target.

[Zal]

Kill order is generally healers first, then anyone with poor mitigation (or the other way, depending on the mitigation of the healers and how annoying they're being). The goal when facing multiple enemies is to make there be fewer enemies. If you successfully get to the point where you outnumber them meaningfully, it becomes much easier to kill any arbitrary target.
I normally try to kill a DPS firt so my healer doesn't have trouble keeping himself and me up while i'm nuking others

[algol]

I normally try to kill a DPS firt so my healer doesn't have trouble keeping himself and me up while i'm nuking others

Yeah...if their healing isn't strong enough to STOP you...the fewer living enemies you have, the better.

Comes under "LOL LAVA BURST!!1!," I believe? :D

[Kaynin]

I've yet to go arena. :<

Didn't have time for it yet this week. *sniffle*

[Tizer]

Your not missing a lot. 1 win 9 losses here :) Cba with any more. I'll just scrape points every week while i gear up slowly. :)

[magwo]

This is so not working for me. I don't have the skills to counter the kind of stuff people are doing to me, even if they nerf the hell out of the dps.
DK bubble, 2 rogues in COS roflshot my shammies, druid knocks 2 of my shammies of the bridge, retripala roflshots another shammy.


Arena boxing is so dead. :\

[magwo]

Don't try to burn down DK first, Focus target killing is amazing (can't heal what you can't see coming), and rogues are OP beyond belief.

Kill order is generally healers first, then anyone with poor mitigation (or the other way, depending on the mitigation of the healers and how annoying they're being). The goal when facing multiple enemies is to make there be fewer enemies. If you successfully get to the point where you outnumber them meaningfully, it becomes much easier to kill any arbitrary target.


Not at all. If you go for the healers, your team will be dead before you get your second cast off.

[Kaynin]

Kill order has never been healers in 5v5 in any set up that I know off.

Depending on set up, I think these are the main things people will do in 5v5.
- Nuke the dps
- LoS the dps out of their healer LoS, kite, nuke at right time
- Drain healers, kill dps
- Drain dps, kill whatever (This doesn't quite cut it anymore with the mana mana skills just about all dps mana classes have now. But it used to be viable tac vs some set ups in the old days. :P)

But I can't think fo any set up where it is prefered to kill healers first. (Maybe 3 DK's and 2 healer teams? :P )

[merujo]

4 wins - 6 loss's
Im not even bothering to "learn" something. Not in Brutal Gear. It's not the burst thats killing me, but instead how everyone AOE's.

TBH, theres too much knockback's, yes, even shaman thunderstorm.
Blizzard tuned it so much for mono box survival, that in arenas, everyones trick to stay alive ends up being the best way to kill ur opponent.
Im playing the game less and less. I don't give a sh1t for PvE (boring), quests/daily's (ultra boring), farming (not funny anymore), and now PvP where the fail was huge: BG's with too many vehicles and explosives (if i want to drive a striker, or fire RPG's i'd go play Americas Army), and a ultra lagged Wintergrasp. Set's are also beautiful, both in looks and in colors.

I still wanna see, if with 1200 resil, i'll be able to survive 5 seconds to this retarted game that wow has become.

[Kaynin]

I still wanna see, if with 1200 resil, i'll be able to survive 5 seconds to this retarted game that wow has become.

And that said, I'm sure you will find that once that time comes, PvP will be a bit more balanced again. x) Right now survivability vs dps is too big an issue. Better gear, toned down burst, future is looking bright!

I think the main problem for us right at this moment, is that our class simply lacks compared to other classes. With the upcoming patch we will get better scaling which will help out a lot. I'm thinking chain lightning will become our main skill then. 4x Lava Burst seems a bit overkill, it's a good way to drop a first target, but after that I think it's all about those chain lightnings. :>

You'll see, you'll see! ;)

[Tizer]

Lets face it, we are playing the most shitty class in the game 4 or 5 times over for perhaps 1 reason. A fkin Tremor totem xD

[Dominian]

My biggest fear when people get gear is warriors.

That WERLDWIND look alike attack deals INSANE damage.

I guess the warrior was well geared but he charged in and started to do this AOE.

All my shamans died at 15k hp and 250 resillience. (but i guess thats nothing)

Do anyone know how much hp we will have in full deadly or hatefull gear?

I faced a druid wich i assume was in tank gear last night..

44k hp in bear form (i assume he trinketed and used somekind of last stand)

He kept hitting me for 5k in bear form. :/

[Ellay]

I've been up to 1650 rating so far with an 8 win streak.

Everything I'm dying to though is getting nerfed in the next patch.
Double Readiness BM hunters are pretty lame, their Damage is getting nerfed as well, they were killing my healer in 2 seconds and nothing I could do about it.*Nerfed next patch.*
Ret Paladins doing insane damage in bubble. *Nerfed next patch.*
DK's having insane defensive capabilities such as antimagic shell lasting forever, 50% less damage for 12 seconds every minute, bone shield etc etc. *Nerfed next patch.*

When I first started doing the bg's I was getting stomped in equal matches of 4v4, now with a little bit of PvP gear it's not an issue. A lot of players are running around in Naxx 10/25 man gear, it's the same exact issue in TBC at the end with Rogues rolling dual warglaives. Except now we don't even have the PvP gear to fend them off. As time progresses this is going to be much better for us. I would said to weather it out in the meantime.

The next patch is a substantial boon for us, especially if your an Elemental Shaman. The time is now to perfect yourselfs, I'd say at this point in time more than any other we are at the lowest of lows. If you are able to overcome the obstacles now, when the changes/buffs do happen - it won't even be a challenge to stomp everyone.

[mrmcgee21]

I'm sitting at 708 res now, 18k hp roughly and I will say its noticably better. I havn't really had a chance to play many games because my paladin healers don't seem to want to pvp anymore due to DK's but the few games I did in my current gear level I did raise my team's rating, went 6-5 and we lost 3 of those games to a triple ret pal 1 dk 1 resto shaman team (this is where my healer quit). Really no chance against that team, even insta gibbing the shaman wont stop them from bubbling and leveling most of your team before it all wears off, pretty silly really, but maybe i should drop earthbinds and GW run away from them. I also have to say watching a DK run out to DG me and seeing his DG get eaten by a grounding totem, then leveling him in 5 sec while he sits there going "WTF why didnt dg work" is extremely satisfying in arena. Also broke 1600 on my 3s team strangely enough .... maybe just luck. Oh one last thing 708 resil is with FULL savage, FULL hateful offslot epics, Resil gems and enchants. So don't expect to go much higher, I'm getting roughly 19% crit dmg redux and 8.5% crit change redux which is certainly nice. And like ellay was saying bg's are wtfbbq again for me, I run straight to galv and roll their offense 90% of the time in AV.

All that being said I'm still highly skeptical we will ever see a boxer breaking 1900+ again because honestly theres so much aoe dmg and aoe CC out there now I don't see how a well played team could lose imo, but who knows.