Update: How the 5x Boomkins are doing

[Evilseed]

Hey guys!

Just an update on the 5x boomkin. Holy crap they are amazing. I was lucky to roll them prior to WOTLK w/o knowing they would be getting some extreme buffs.

I'll describe some typical situations with my 5x Boomkins;

AOE: They are masters at AOEing any type of mobs, safely, ranging from 20-50+ normal guys, or even 5-10 instance elites. Yes, they can aoe instance elites. To AOE I simply cast 5x renews on my lead druid, mount up, run and gather a billion mobs, then hit 5x boomkin form and stand still. I then instantly cast 5x hurricains which does AMAZING dps and has quite an awesome buff. The Boomkin armor here really shines, and thanks to owlkin frenzy and spell pushback changes, you don't have to worry about interrupts at all. Boomkins 5boxed are truly the best AOE class.

Instances: I can do pretty much every instance so far in Boomkin form with NO TANK and NO HEALERs. Huge armor, absolutely ridiculous healing power, and 5x roots, makes instancing fairly easy. Even boss fights are easy. For a boss fight, I simply toss massive HOTs on my main druid, have him attack first to get aggro (and he always maintains it), and then DPS down soo fast. For trash I just root them all and blast `em down 1 at a time. Elites with 35k hp take 2 volleys only which is fast. Not to mention I often just AOE them.

Trees: 15x trees is literally amazing. Every time I do it it brings tears to my eyes. I can automatically drop 15 trees and make them auto aggro and they seriously WRECK SHOP. To give you an idea, when I was level 73, my trees alone could kill a 200,000 hp quest elite.

World PVP: 5x boomkins is #1 imo simply because they can stealth to a group of unsuspecting alliance and open up with a starfire/typhoon and can instantly kill a group of 10 easily. I'm not joking, I have killed groups of 10 alliance instantly time and time again. 5x Boomkins can heal amazingly well, can rez, can stealth, HUGE dps.. what more can you ask for?

DOT dps power. 5x boomkins with insect wrath glphys are amazing, AMAZING dps'rs using DOTS. 1 5x volley of insect swarm, which is instant cast, right now does about 18,000 damage at level 75. You can simply run around DOTing everybody and wreck havok. Toss in some moonfires if you want to.

Combatting Fear: So far I really have no problems with fear. I don't even wear my PVP trinket. The reason is that Boomkins have such amazing healing power that I never have issues even when feared. I can easily move my guys together while casting instant HOT as well as instant DOTs.

Moonfire spam: Another thing that brings tears to my eyes is moonfire spamming. 1 5x moonfire volley will bring a guy down to 40% just like that. The DOT effect will finish them off. Priceless.

I feel like I'm the only 5x Boomkin group and I often wonder why :)

[Malekyth]

That's beautiful, man. :) I've never played a druid, even single-boxing, but they always looked like a lot of fun to play. This is inspiring!

[Quix]

Glad to see its working out for you. I used to AOE elites with clothies till I got to arena's/herocis. Then I started getting steamrolled.

I wish you the best of luck, hopefully it lasts for you.

[d0z3rr]

You seriously need to upload some videos! Plz.

[algol]

Mine are still low lowbies, but the burst is a little nicer than it was with lowbie shamans. This is mostly thanks to being able to moonfire while wrath is in flight. You can do this a bit with shocks, but moonfire doesn't go on cooldown if the mob decides to run off with a few HP left.

Roots are funny. I suspect I'll miss the totems later in the game, especially tremor and grounding. On the other side, I'm glad druids have a proper OOC res now.

[Evilseed]

Glad to see its working out for you. I used to AOE elites with clothies till I got to arena's/herocis. Then I started getting steamrolled.

I wish you the best of luck, hopefully it lasts for you.

The beauty of an all druid group is I can spec for any situation :) The dual spec patch is going to be a huuuge blessing when it comes.

I'm already saving up tank gear on one of my druids who will tank an difficult instance. Boomkin/Resto gear is pretty much the same so no probs making one a dedicated healer if need be.

5mans of any sort should be doable as far as heals/dps go (i think!).

[Boylston]

I think boomkins are like hunters-- some amazing capability if you play them well. The nice part about shamans is that they continue to have great resistance to fear, and they have a lot of "passive" advantages.

I agree that they will be even more awesome when you can utilize dual-spec and instantly convert them to Tank+Healer+3xBoomkin DPS for instances. That's really compelling.

Keep having fun! I know I am really enjoying my hunter squad, even if they aren't as uber as multi-shamans can be...

[algol]

Keep having fun! I know I am really enjoying my hunter squad, even if they aren't as uber as multi-shamans can be...

That's the thing about these abnormal PVE DPS groups. They can be loads of fun, they're just less robust than a shaman team.

[Chabs]

How are you instantly dropping all the trees? Im guessing you are going to each instance and doing it, possibly with 2 monitors? Id like to know exactly how you do it if you dont mind.

[Evilseed]

That's the thing about these abnormal PVE DPS groups. They can be loads of fun, they're just less robust than a shaman team.

That is the misnomer here. I don't think 5x druids are at much of a disadvantage compared to a shaman team. The only big thing I see shamans having is a totem to break fear, but I haven't had issues yet.

Back when I was 70 I ran into the typical shaman multiboxing group in AV and I honestly steamrolled them without fail every time. I just don't see the advantage as being that strong.

I had a typical cookie cutter shaman 5box/4box group before so hopefully I'm making some good comparisons based on what I know :p

[Evilseed]

How are you instantly dropping all the trees? Im guessing you are going to each instance and doing it, possibly with 2 monitors? Id like to know exactly how you do it if you dont mind.

I have a tool I wrote which does it perfectly. Its fully legit just like how keyclone is and is very sensitive to concerns about multiboxing. I'm going to be releasing it to the public very soon. Basically I'm doing a lot of stress testing as it is. This tool of mine is an ABSOLUTE GODSEND. I can cast for example 5x hurricanes anywhere instantly all in the same spot for massive pwnage. Plus popping 15 trees instantly is magical onto itself. I'm going to be PMing some people soon to test things out if you're interested.

[algol]

The only big thing I see shamans having is a totem to break fear

Go play in Plaguelands for a while and tell me it's not nice to have. :D

But it's not the only thing. Totems are unusual in that having two elemental shamans gives you more buffs than one elemental shaman. The only other class that can really claim that is Paladins...who used to be the Shaman's mirror class. It's a team that's very good at dealing with a wide variety of situations, so it's a very good team to work with until you know what you want and what you're giving up to get it.



I have a tool I wrote which does it perfectly. Its fully legit just like how keyclone is and is very sensitive to concerns about multiboxing. I'm going to be releasing it to the public very soon. Basically I'm doing a lot of stress testing as it is. This tool of mine is an ABSOLUTE GODSEND. I can cast for example 5x hurricanes anywhere instantly all in the same spot for massive pwnage. Plus popping 15 trees instantly is magical onto itself. I'm going to be PMing some people soon to test things out if you're interested.

Be careful. Anything that even positions the mouse for you is heavily into grey areas, if not already into the forbidden territory of automation. It sounds like you're describing something which does that. There are several already that do - we just don't use them widely because we like keeping our accounts.

[Evilseed]

Be careful. Anything that even positions the mouse for you is heavily into grey areas, if not already into the forbidden territory of automation. It sounds like you're describing something which does that. There are several already that do - we just don't use them widely because we like keeping our accounts.


I have a very open and active dialog with Blizzard through some other angles that I have with the company. No worries here. My program revolves around the same concept that "Pull 1 lever and 5 levels are then pulled" example that Blizzard is giving for the AOK in multiboxing software.

[Negativ1337]

Sounds AWESOME.

I kinda regret im leveling 4 warlocks and a priest.

Can you do heroics?
And if you cant you should wait for dual spec :)

You can go 3 boomkin, 1 healer and one beartank and then switch back to boomkin after all :)

Howlong did 1-80 took?
I dont like the tauren starter area nor the barrens since i have done it too many times.

Please tell some more about arena, heroics and leveling :D I am really having a lot of questions at these 3 points.

-Totemic

[Evilseed]

Hey there,

Okay so I'm not 80 yet, in fact I just hit 75 today (http://wtbblue.com guides rock at helping me lvl). So far I feel extremely powerful. I can take on multiple geared 80s at once w/o a sweat in world PVP. *blush* I even spent 30 minutes camping a group of 77s for a load of fun :)

For heroics, I'm not sure as I'm not 80 yet. However, I fully expect it to be possible. If the instance mechanics allow for multiboxing (as in, character placement isn't too difficult, nothing funky required), then 5x druids should easily be able to do heroics. Right now I'm doing normal instances easy w/o a tank. 5x Boomkins have such ginormous DPS and armor that a real tank isn't required at all. For example, in Utgarde Keep, I can clear the instance without getting hit at all except for the bosses. When I get to a boss fight, I simply dump a billion HOT heals on my lead guy, and let him attack first to get aggro, and then balls to walls DPS. Boss fights typically last seconds. One key thing to know is that aggro is NEVER a problem as long as your lead guy has more +spelldmg and you let him get a spell or 2 off first.

For arenas, I don't know. I actually just hit 70 right before wotlk came out so not sure. I do know that I steamroll every battleground ezsauce. Every 5box shaman (or 4xsham 1xpally) team I ran into on BGs I would blow them out of the water hardcore.

Read this: 5x Typhoons will kill everything in its path 90% of the time in a HUGE cone shape 30+ yard path.

This means my opening move in PVP is quite often my only move against same-level people. I can wipe out 5-20 people in 1 move. Right now 5x typhoons does about 12k of damage. My characters have 11k of health each. All of my druids themselves would die in a split second, just like how I do to others. I compare this to chain lightning. Chain has a lower cooldown, however, typhoon can insta kill everything in its path. Plus the knockback is PWN!!

Also, 5x druids are IMMENSELY fun due to the fact they can stealth. Stealthing opens up a new aspect to this game and gives you a new way to be sneaky and PWN the crap out of people.

You ask me about arenas? I'm not sure to be honest how it would go. I believe 5x druids have the tools to be unstoppable in areans. The trick is learning how to use them. 5x druids have these key skills:

---5x Typhoon - Will do IMMENSE damage and possibly end the game right on the spot.
---15 Trees - People sometimes forget about trees and boomkins. 15 trees can kill a paladin in about 3-4 second. 15 trees will kill cloth in an INSTANT. Literally, the clothie will go from 100% to 0% instantly in a burst if "WTF HAPPENED".
---5x Insect Swarm - Instant cast dot that, at level 75, does around 18,000 damage.
--- 5x Moonfire Spam - Moonfire by itself is sorta blah. When you can do 5x at 1 keystroke it becomes an IMMENSE force
--- ZOMG WTF HEAL ABILITY - 5x Boomkins have AMAZING heal ability. With 1 button you can toss HOTs on a guy giving them literally 5,000 health/second

Basically 5x boomkins have all the tools to dominate every scenario. The only iffy part is they can't deal with fear as well as shams :P

[Negativ1337]

Alright awesome,

And how did 1-70 went? Could you do a lot of Outland instances, did you leveled with RAF, are you tauren or nelf? Is it hard (boring) to level them 1-40?
And can you HOT in Boomkin form? Because you cant heal yourself in it i know.

Edit: forgot something
How do you recommend druid talents? Should i put first points till i get clearcast in resto? And what realm do you play on?

-Totemic

[Evilseed]

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[Evilseed]

Hey there,

1-70 was an absolute breeze. All my accounts are RAF linked so the initial level was awesome. I hit level 40 in 6 hours and level 60 in 22hrs. Tight huh?

As far as TBC goes, I can easily grind any instance. The cool part is that with the pure DPS of Boomkin, I never needed a tank for any TBC instance at all. Plus you can do what I call Tree Tanking. You can use your trees to tank a bit giving you enough time to womp on them with insane DPS.

When I say insane DPS in Boomkin I really mean it. Starfire hits for a HUGE amount of damage these days. At level 70 I was doing nonstop 4500 crits with stupid crap green gear. Boomkins crit often, too.

You can't heal in Boomkin form, but HOTs are all instant for the most part. So you HOT then pop back to Boomkin form. I have a macro as well that keeps my main guy in Boomkin but all other 4 will HOT him. This maintains my main guy in high armor form in case he needs to act as a pseudo tank while he receives some literally insane heals from the hots on him.

So for example, in Azorl Nerub (however you spell it), there are trash mobs that have 80k a pop. What I do is before the fight I toss 5x renew on my A guy, and 1x on the other guys. That takes about 3 seconds. Then my A pulls 3 mobs, 2 have 40k 1 has 80k. Within less than 20 seconds both 40k mobs are dead and the 80k elite is near dead. If/when my initial HOTs wear off on my A boomkin, I hit one of my buttons which immediately makes my 4 other Boomkins pop out of Boomkin form and HOT up my A guy.

Think about it this way: Because of the sheer HOT healing power Boomkins have, you literally can make multiple people invulnerable for long periods of time. At level 75, unless a mob can do a sustained something like 7500dps to 1 guy, theres no way I will die unless I choose to. Considering that 80 end game elite bosses don't do 7500 dps, well, you get the point.

As far as talents go, dump them all into Balance until 75. I haven't gone past that so I'm not sure from there, but 75 is a long ways away for you. Balance has immense healing power so you really don't need anything offered in the resto tree since you'll primarily be using your HOT heals multiplied by each of your Boomkins

Any other questions? :)

PS - Once you go instant cast flight form you will never want to go back again.

[crazysithslayer]

What kind of build did you use 1-40? feral? or balance? Cuz Im sure this group shines at 40 with boomkin

[algol]

I have a very open and active dialog with Blizzard through some other angles that I have with the company. No worries here. My program revolves around the same concept that "Pull 1 lever and 5 levels are then pulled" example that Blizzard is giving for the AOK in multiboxing software.

Sounds good. If you can get it to work in a way they don't object to, especially if you can demonstrate either logically or through approval that it's an allowed method...well, there are a great number of ground-target spells I would love to have easier access to.

[Bena]

nice! just started rolling some new teams (5xpallies) and an all druid team with raf.. sounds like it's going to be good.

[Fuzzyboy]

Let us know how you progress - I might try 5 druids and see how it works out once I'm done farming badges :-D

[Sajuuk]

I've always wanted to do 5 druids,but I've lost a lot of interest in the game for right now.

Maybe when I come back and do my alliance reroll. I think I'm going to wait a few more months so I can take a longer break/take advantage of scroll of resurrection.

[Stealthy]

How are you instantly dropping all the trees? Im guessing you are going to each instance and doing it, possibly with 2 monitors? Id like to know exactly how you do it if you dont mind.

I have a tool I wrote which does it perfectly. Its fully legit just like how keyclone is and is very sensitive to concerns about multiboxing. I'm going to be releasing it to the public very soon. Basically I'm doing a lot of stress testing as it is. This tool of mine is an ABSOLUTE GODSEND. I can cast for example 5x hurricanes anywhere instantly all in the same spot for massive pwnage. Plus popping 15 trees instantly is magical onto itself. I'm going to be PMing some people soon to test things out if you're interested.

I would be very interested to see this. I'd levelled up a druid team with my RAF time (currently at 61) and was planning to make them my secondary team in WotLK. Having to manually target the Treants and Hurricane was a PITA, so if you've found a way to fix this, that's great news. Fear is definitely still a multibox druids achilles heel, I think you've been lucky in that you havent gone up against players that haven't known how to exploit this - a warrior charging in and using Intimidating Shout will be hard to counter.

In terms of PvP (especially for Arenas) I still think shams have the edge - apart from Tremors for fear, grouding totems are still the best form of spell mitigation for boxers period. Also Thunderstorm is an AOE knockback for 20 yards whereas typhoon is frontal only for 5. But for world PvP, and large scale BG's like AV, I can see where 5 x Druids would shine.

By the way, can you link your armory - I'd like to check out your spec...

Cheers,
S.

[Tasty]

Having to manually target the Treants and Hurricane was a PITA, so if you've found a way to fix this, that's great news.

Couldn't agree more, I can't imagine what it would be like using blizzard or flamestrike at the same time :D

[5fingersofdoom]

I can attest to 5 Moonkins AoE.
I used to do this with 5x70 merc gladiator gemmed hunters and use volley,which I thought was awesome,I then tried it with my crap geared 60 Drood team,the difference was night and day.
I completely believe the results EvilSeed is getting,after all what use are totems against that kind of opening damage.
The way i'm seeing BG fights change with the inclusion of DK and DGrip,most fights i'm encountering favour more mobility which seems to suit the way Boomkins fit into teams.
As i've posted before Strarfall and especially Moonfire have no line back to caster,in heavy melee and if you have rolled Nelf this is a total headache for Horde with much camera spinning madness.
Gl with the lvling ES be very interested to see your results in 80 resil gear. :D

[Fizzler]

I leveled 5 druids to 60 but did not like the idea of AOE targetting with trees etc. I had more fun with 3 Mages, Lock, SP combo. Now mind you I am not sure they would do well in instances but for AOE dang they were fun. The Lock could hellfire with no worries as Holy Nova was replenishing life as fast as it would burn away.

My thoughts with the druid were Stealth instance runs it will be some time before I get back to level that group though.

[Fuzzyboy]

Be careful. Anything that even positions the mouse for you is heavily into grey areas, if not already into the forbidden territory of automation. It sounds like you're describing something which does that. There are several already that do - we just don't use them widely because we like keeping our accounts.


I have a very open and active dialog with Blizzard through some other angles that I have with the company. No worries here. My program revolves around the same concept that "Pull 1 lever and 5 levels are then pulled" example that Blizzard is giving for the AOK in multiboxing software.I really hope this is doable, but to be honest, I have a hard time imagining how it could be done in a legit way.

Even if all chars are standing directly on top of eachother, you have to have the same view, not to mention it's actually difficult having them stand on eachother in the first place. So I imagine your concept revolves around somehow setting viewmode to the same on all chars and broadcasting the relative location of the mouse on the client window. Of course, this is already possible, but I really don't see how something more accurate can be done without client interaction, so I'm very curious if you've actually pulled it off :-) Don't get me wrong, I really hope you have and if you do, you could make a decent buck off it, I'm just a bit skeptical. Especially about the open and active dialogue with Blizzard.

[GKar]

How are you instantly dropping all the trees? Im guessing you are going to each instance and doing it, possibly with 2 monitors? Id like to know exactly how you do it if you dont mind.

I have a tool I wrote which does it perfectly. Its fully legit just like how keyclone is and is very sensitive to concerns about multiboxing. I'm going to be releasing it to the public very soon. Basically I'm doing a lot of stress testing as it is. This tool of mine is an ABSOLUTE GODSEND. I can cast for example 5x hurricanes anywhere instantly all in the same spot for massive pwnage. Plus popping 15 trees instantly is magical onto itself. I'm going to be PMing some people soon to test things out if you're interested.

I'm very interested in your tool. It would be a huge DPS increase for my hunter team if I could volley effectively.

[Kromtor]

if druids had a way to deal with fear i'd still be playing my 5 druids. i agree one of the best parts was dotting everything, insect swarm is a godly spell 5x. in higher end pvp you're going to have fear problems but everybody's got some weakness so who cares. i can't believe you got 60 in 22 hours yet are still only 75 =)

[Evilseed]

What kind of build did you use 1-40? feral? or balance? Cuz Im sure this group shines at 40 with boomkinThis may be a surprise, but I actually did feral until I started rolling high XP instances (at lvl 51ish).

The reason is the fact that 5x ferals can kill 1 mob with their energy dump much faster than the cast time of any spell, as well as the run-up-to-mob difference. Feral never goes OOM and is very fluid. I had no problems at all with melee facing doing 5x feral.

[Evilseed]

if druids had a way to deal with fear i'd still be playing my 5 druids. i agree one of the best parts was dotting everything, insect swarm is a godly spell 5x. in higher end pvp you're going to have fear problems but everybody's got some weakness so who cares. i can't believe you got 60 in 22 hours yet are still only 75 =)Well for druids its really hard for a fearing class to be able to get close to me to even get a fear off. If I ever am in that situation, what I usually do is hit a button dumping 5x instant HOTs on my main guy, then another putting to spread 5x hots on each guy to themselves. This makes any fearing really not do much harm. Also to remember that when the fear ends, I can toss some AMAZING HOT heals before my guys are even lined up back on follow due to HOTs being instance and not requiring any facing to cast.

Yea I laxed on the leveling because I'm almost done getting ready to make my neato program public :)

[Rin]

When are you going to be releasing this tool? I want to use Volley :whistling:

[GKar]

When are you going to be releasing this tool? I want to use Volley :whistling:

Since August he teased us with the phrase "soon". I finally got tired of lurking and just posted to ask about it again today. Being able to volley trash in instances will be a huge boost and possibly trivialize some of the trash/bosses I've been having some difficulty with. I am really looking forward to his solution. Wowhead has pretty much been my one stop site for WoW info until I started dual, then quad/quint boxing.

[Evilseed]

When are you going to be releasing this tool? I want to use Volley :whistling:

Since August he teased us with the phrase "soon". I finally got tired of lurking and just posted to ask about it again today. Being able to volley trash in instances will be a huge boost and possibly trivialize some of the trash/bosses I've been having some difficulty with. I am really looking forward to his solution. Wowhead has pretty much been my one stop site for WoW info until I started dual, then quad/quint boxing.Haha yea I know. I'm slow sometimes :)

As far as soon.. soon now means something like a couple weeks, give or take. 8|

EDIT: To be honest, I've been having an absolute blast doing a lot of self tests which has been the root case for the delays. I ran Utgarde Keep last night on my 5x75 boomkins and I could AOE 2-3 pulls at once, every time, thanks to insta 5x hurricains. Truly magical. The last month I've been tweaking a few things due to how windows versions and all that works. PLUS, and this is key, I keep on dumbing down the program purposely. I now have a perfect version working that is super dumbed down. It is dumbed down on purpose to stop people from using it to bot or whatever. The more simple and straightfoward and "one switch throws 5 switches" it is, the better.

Anyway, its coming out soon. I even have a website built already. Have fun guessing the domain :)

[Fuzzyboy]

Yea I laxed on the leveling because I'm almost done getting ready to make my neato program public :)Sounds good - could you explain a bit about the mechanics? :-)

[Kromtor]

What battlegroup are you in? I heard about a guy 5 boxing druids on Retaliation going stealth and then peekabooing in arenas with 15 trees and beginning the moonfire spam and doing pretty good. was that you?

[Evilseed]

What battlegroup are you in? I heard about a guy 5 boxing druids on Retaliation going stealth and then peekabooing in arenas with 15 trees and beginning the moonfire spam and doing pretty good. was that you?Guilty as charged :)

BTW it is peekabooming not peekabooing :)

(brb nap time)

[Kromtor]

awesome, I'm in that battlegroup myself. You better hurry to 80 because arenas start on the 16th and I'd love to go up against some other multiboxers - though I suppose you would too considering your AoE capabilities.

[pinotnoir]

If there is a way to target hurricane and trees I may roll a druid team. Likewise this would help my mages use some of their aoe abilities I never get to use. Until this ability is out I will not waste the time leveling up a new team from scratch.

[Piecemaker]

This makes me want to roll 5 boomkins too! Just got my death knight to 80, my pally + 4 shammy team is still only 66, and i'm a little bored with them. I'm not willing to buy more accounts, so no RAF for me.
I'd like to do a lot of instances to level the druids, so how good are they at low level? Are instances like RFC and WC even doable with 5 boomkins? Only advantage i see over 5 shamans at low levels is 5 x root

[Fuzzyboy]

This makes me want to roll 5 boomkins too! Just got my death knight to 80, my pally + 4 shammy team is still only 66, and i'm a little bored with them. I'm not willing to buy more accounts, so no RAF for me.
I'd like to do a lot of instances to level the druids, so how good are they at low level? Are instances like RFC and WC even doable with 5 boomkins? Only advantage i see over 5 shamans at low levels is 5 x rootYou can't get moonkin form until level 40. Also, the success of 5 moonkin relies heavily on simultaneous targetting and there's no managable legit way of doing this at the moment and there's no guarantee (or even indication) that the tool he is talking about is real or legit (although I do hope it is).

[BoxerFest]

For what it is worth, Hotkeynet handles the aoe targetting very easily. You can either bind a ctrl mouseclick to transmit mouseclick to your slaves, or you can bind a button to transmit mouseclicks.

[Fuzzyboy]

For what it is worth, Hotkeynet handles the aoe targetting very easily. You can either bind a ctrl mouseclick to transmit mouseclick to your slaves, or you can bind a button to transmit mouseclicks.I think one of the problems with mouse-cursor broadcasting (as far as I understand) is that it wont place the AE spell in the same area unless all the chars have same view settings and are standing in the same place?

[BoxerFest]

I think one of the problems with mouse-cursor broadcasting (as far as I understand) is that it wont place the AE spell in the same area unless all the chars have same view settings and are standing in the same place?

Well.....it seems to work for targetting Rain of Fire......I broadcast a click in the general area in front of me and it seems to work fine. My settings are probably the same, but the toons are definitely not in the same place.

[Evilseed]

Basically with my 5x druid team (lvl 76 now) this is what I did...

1 - 44 w/RAF took about 6-8 hours or so. I had a team waiting by to assist with SFK/SM runs which is why the low /played time was so low. I didn't even mess with talents as I didn't want to be slowed down. I did kitty form when got it the whole way.

44 - 58 was done doing pure Strathome runs with my trusty pally friend. Great times. I trained boomkin while in Strat and start having amazing fun with hurricanes, though at the time it had a cooldown.

58-70 was done about 20% questing in BC and 80% running mana tombs. Over and over and over. By level 68 I could do mana tombs in just a handful of pulls thanks to AOEing massive groups of elites (my largest was 8 groups in 1 aoe pull.. lol don't ask :)

70-72 was pure questing. Very fast I might add (thanks to http://wtbblue.com).

72-74 I did UK. Easy as pie thanks to a ton of roots and trees.

74+ I am starting to grind out instances. I'm not sure which one is the best but I'm learning it. I can say without a doubt that every instance so far with 5x boomkins is easily AOEable and can be run extraordinarily fast. I simply hot heal my guys up, switch to boomkin, run around and aggro, then AOE often 2-3 pulls at once which are the same level as my druids. Sometimes 1 druid will die, but I'm getting the hang of it. The key is to grab the mobs all together in the first 3 seconds and start AOEing on the 5th second. This maintains a ginormous amount of HOT heals while doing hurricains. It takes 2 hurricains to kill an infinite amount of elites, which all can be done in the timespan of the HOT heals for the most part.

I've seen a few posts debating the mouse targeting. I've spent the past 3 months creating something I'm going to release to the multiboxing public. It is extreeemly easy to use, requires no scripting of any sort, 100% pure GUI, easy as cake to use. There isn't scripting because the program is very dumb in its operations. Some people have made queries if tools like this are against the TOS. Well, at one point, it was in the gray if tools like Keyclone was. The facts are the Keyclone has a lot more intelligence than my program, and my program is built around the whole concept of "1 switch throws 5 switches" that I saw a Blizzard employee stat was okay. Obviously I cannot guarentee anything, however, my tool is created specifically to be as easy on the rules of the game as possible.

Anyway, I'm proud to say it is damn near done. I'm just working on a couple tweaks. I'm even tempted to post a screenshot of it in action :) Bear with me a little while longer and it'll be up and ready.

PS - For those who PM'd me, give me about a week and I'll get you a beta copy before the others have it. I'm just working out a few bugs as I've recently decided to port it from .NET to standard C++ WPL and have a tiny few bugs to work out.

[blast3r]

Reading your story makes me remember how happy I am that i rolled a team of Druids with RAF. They are level 62 now. I was thinking of jumping on my level 65 hunters to get them to NR but reading this makes me miss my druids. Maybe they will be next in line! Before I do this I need to get my main shaman team on epic flyers and am about 25.5K Gold short. :)

BTW, I also have a team of Rogues at level 60. I was thinking about 10 boxing down the road and was thinking how much fun 5 rogues and 5 boomkins could be. Looking foward to that as well!

[blast3r]

For what it is worth, Hotkeynet handles the aoe targetting very easily. You can either bind a ctrl mouseclick to transmit mouseclick to your slaves, or you can bind a button to transmit mouseclicks.I think one of the problems with mouse-cursor broadcasting (as far as I understand) is that it wont place the AE spell in the same area unless all the chars have same view settings and are standing in the same place?

I never used mouse-cursor broadcasting but what i did was bound a castsequence macro for dropping trees following up with hurricane. Works pretty good. Once your trees start dropping they aggro everything and give you time to finish switching to the other windows to finish the sequence.

[pengwynman]

my 5x boomkin are 77 atm :]

here's the main:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Boulderfist&n=Allai

leveling has been a blast, but I'm kind of burned out on it right now-- I've leveled straight from 1-77 without stopping at 70 (i went to northrend at 68 ) so i'm trying to mix it up with other games (like Left 4 Dead, check it out!)

mostly i like popping all my trees + starfall. it works great against large groups of alliance! :D

[suprafro]

Sounds like an awesome team for sure, later on when you get some free time post up a few video clips, I bet alot of folks here would enjoy them (I definitely would) the AOE crazyness that you use to kill multiple trash packs in instances sounds OP! Also some PVP trees involving gankage via 15x trees would also be most welcome :thumbsup:

[gitcho]

man, i prefer casters, but i wasn't ever going to touch druids with my 5box team ... but I will totally change my mind and run up a team if this is true!

NEED VIDEOS!!! (or it didn't happen?) :P or pics at the very least, or combat log or SOMETHING! (i vote for video!) 8o puleeze and thank you

[pengwynman]

man, i prefer casters, but i wasn't ever going to touch druids with my 5box team ... but I will totally change my mind and run up a team if this is true!

NEED VIDEOS!!! (or it didn't happen?) :P or pics at the very least, or combat log or SOMETHING! (i vote for video!) 8o puleeze and thank youi had been planning on making some sort of pvp vids at 80, but i'll see if i can't get a decent boomkin pwnage video tonight :thumbsup:

[Evilseed]

Okay I'd love to make a video but I know absolutely nothing about making videos. I own a copy of Sony Vegas Platinum but I've no idea how to use it.

Could somebody here take a video I record and do some editing and toss in tight music? That'd be hella awesome!!!

[gitcho]

if you need hosting for the original file, PM me

[pengwynman]

well i got some decent footage while i was running around tonight, you can watch it here:
http://files.filefront.com/druidswmv/;12609496;/fi

i don't use filefront usually... can you 'Download Now' to get higher quality?

nothing special, just running around killing some alliance and some mobs.. there's a lvl 80 elite there with 75k hp that i take down pretty fast. also aoe'd quite a few mobs outside argent strand, ganked a few alliance, etc. so you can kind of get an idea of what 5 druids can do. btw if you don't like screamo/hardcore, turn down the volume. song is We Are the Sound - Alexisonfire

[David]

Very very imba. Don`t want to meet 5boomkins in the arena lol.

How did you level them? As feral or caster? Instances or quests? RAF or not?

[Gadzooks]

Very very imba. Don`t want to meet 5boomkins in the arena lol.

How did you level them? As feral or caster? Instances or quests? RAF or not?That video makes me happy. :)

I have a Boomer, who's the main for my little team - druid, lock, mage, and she does a great job, and I've wondered how 5 would do. I know it's a lot to ask, but any chance of a Mac version of your software? (if not, I'll be getting it and using it in BootCamp on my iMac!)

Also, can your software be used for other classes? Like Locks?

Also, how are you dealing with mana management? With my 3, the Boomer runs out fast, the lock second (still working on drain macros), and the mage seems to never need any.

A run down of your gear would be very cool, too. :) How did you glyph them?

And if it's not too much trouble, how are the buffs working? I'd miss the Int buff from my mage, but it looks like you don't need it- or I guess you could beg a mage. Heh.

Excellent work, Boomers rock - and you don't have trees, you have a friggin' FOREST! :)

[pengwynman]

Very very imba. Don`t want to meet 5boomkins in the arena lol.

How did you level them? As feral or caster? Instances or quests? RAF or not?I leveled them caster all the way, RAF'd through azeroth



That video makes me happy. :)

I have a Boomer, who's the main for my little team - druid, lock, mage, and she does a great job, and I've wondered how 5 would do. I know it's a lot to ask, but any chance of a Mac version of your software? (if not, I'll be getting it and using it in BootCamp on my iMac!)

Also, can your software be used for other classes? Like Locks?

Also, how are you dealing with mana management? With my 3, the Boomer runs out fast, the lock second (still working on drain macros), and the mage seems to never need any.

A run down of your gear would be very cool, too. :) How did you glyph them?

And if it's not too much trouble, how are the buffs working? I'd miss the Int buff from my mage, but it looks like you don't need it- or I guess you could beg a mage. Heh.

Excellent work, Boomers rock - and you don't have trees, you have a friggin' FOREST! :)First off, every time you said 'Boomer' i thought of left 4 dead...

here's the main's armory page:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Boulderfist&n=Allai

i don't remember what all the glyphs they have are... i know i got 4 of them the insect swarm glyph, they all have the reagent-less battle rez glyph, i don't remember other than that.
as far as mana management, i pretty much just kill stuff til my guys start getting low, then pop innervate on them all (just remembered, i have the innervate glyph too )
the software i use is Keyclone, i don't think there's a mac version out there but you could probably look around in the software forum for help there.

[echo]

Hi Evilseed! I'm very excited to hear about your program for simulcasting druid ae abilities. I have had a 5x boomkin team for a while now so I'd be happy to test that program for you if you still need a tester. Please PM me if you do and I'd be happy to help. Otherwise can you please make another post when it's released? thanks so much in advance for your hardwork! :)

[Owltoid]

I have my three moonkins up and running (still fairly new to multiboxing 61, 61, 60) but this is really making me want to 5-box. Is it even possible on a latop (I have an ASUS gaming laptop that is about one year old)?

I almost feel like 3-boxing would be halfassing it after reading this. Plus, I'm not sure 9 treants would take down much... certainly not nearly as powerful as 15 treants.

[pengwynman]

I have my three moonkins up and running (still fairly new to multiboxing 61, 61, 60) but this is really making me want to 5-box. Is it even possible on a latop (I have an ASUS gaming laptop that is about one year old)?

I almost feel like 3-boxing would be halfassing it after reading this. Plus, I'm not sure 9 treants would take down much... certainly not nearly as powerful as 15 treants.You'd need to list the specs of the laptop for us to be able to get an idea of your limits.

i'd like to see a glyph that does something for the trees, like maybe increase duration, decrease cooldown, idc. Maybe add an extra tree? that would take me up to 20 ^^

[Owltoid]

I have my three moonkins up and running (still fairly new to multiboxing 61, 61, 60) but this is really making me want to 5-box. Is it even possible on a latop (I have an ASUS gaming laptop that is about one year old)?

I almost feel like 3-boxing would be halfassing it after reading this. Plus, I'm not sure 9 treants would take down much... certainly not nearly as powerful as 15 treants.You'd need to list the specs of the laptop for us to be able to get an idea of your limits.

i'd like to see a glyph that does something for the trees, like maybe increase duration, decrease cooldown, idc. Maybe add an extra tree? that would take me up to 20 ^^



Sorry for the thread hijack! I'm getting a bit jealous after hearing the super moonkin power!



Here are the specs for my laptop:

Asus G1 gaming laptop, Intel Core 2 Duo T7200 2.0GHz processor, 2GB of DDR2 667 RAM, NVIDIA GeForceGo 7700 GPU with 512 MB RAM

Any chance of success with running 5 at once? Are players receptive to doing 10 man instances while you control 5 of the players?

[pengwynman]

Asus G1 gaming laptop, Intel Core 2 Duo T7200 2.0GHz processor, 2GB of DDR2 667 RAM, NVIDIA GeForceGo 7700 GPU with 512 MB RAM
5 would really be pushing it, i don't think you'd be able to get playable performance with a 2.0 dual core and 2 GB of memory

Are players receptive to doing 10 man instances while you control 5 of the players? Depends on the players. I have some friends that are pretty stoked about trying raids with me. If you can do your job in the raid well, then you should be able to find a group for it without too much trouble. It would be best to find a group that is willing to stick with it and try new things with you.

[Multibocks]

That laptop won't work for 5. My desktop is getting upgraded as I am not happy with 5 accounts on it and Lich King zone performance. 2GB would mean you are using HD as extra ram and it would mean long load times and lots of lag.

I can't wait to see how heroics go for you on Druids. I'm skeptical as the stuff I have seen that was ranked "normal" on difficulty has been pretty hard for my group. Also I imagine you will have to use resilience so your main doesnt get crit by bosses (7500 health per second healing is great, but if you get crit for 20k... well it's game over.) Also your targetting system will be a boon for all DK MBers too.

[Negativ1337]

How do you setted up your healing keys?
I was thinking of:

Shift+1=Healing Touch on focus
Shift+2=Healing Touch assist focus
Shift+3=Rejuvenation on focus
Shift+4=Rejuenation assist focus
Shift+5=Regrowth on focus
Shift+6=Regrowth assist focus

But i dont know. I only have chainheal and lesser healing wave assist and heal main(focus) on shift1+2+3

How did you setted up urs?

-Totemic

[pengwynman]

How do you setted up your healing keys?
I was thinking of:

Shift+1=Healing Touch on focus
Shift+2=Healing Touch assist focus
Shift+3=Rejuvenation on focus
Shift+4=Rejuenation assist focus
Shift+5=Regrowth on focus
Shift+6=Regrowth assist focus

But i dont know. I only have chainheal and lesser healing wave assist and heal main(focus) on shift1+2+3

How did you setted up urs?

-Totemici don't really have anything special set up, basically just shift+1-4 are my heals, all of them are just /cast [target=focustarget, exists, help]... there are a few extra mods in there like alt for self-target, but i don't have any *heal focus* macros

[Negativ1337]

okay :>

[Mamut]

One of my laptops are comparable and i can 4 box on it fine with toned down graphics and sound disabled on 3 of the wow instances. Found that out when i was hurt and trying to wow on my couch lol. I wouldnt want to PVP with it but for just instancing it was ok.

If you need anymore beta testers toss me a PM, i have several teams that would make good use of such a utility. Right now i m click broadcasting with good results but it would be cool to try none the less.

Peace

[Boylston]

Good rule of thumb--

1 core per client = good performance
2 cores per client = OK performance
more than 2 cores per client = asking for trouble

Quadboxing a dual-core system is not bad, GENERALLY SPEAKING. Depends on the details of the rest of your system, which may be a challenge for some laptops.

Definitely turn off sound on all but the lead client.

If you can run 3 clients OK, it's worth a shot to try 4. 4-->5 is a big step up because it requires asking a dual-core system to run 3 clients on a core.

[btw82]

Quoted from "Owltoid"
Asus G1 gaming laptop, Intel Core 2 Duo T7200 2.0GHz processor, 2GB of DDR2 667 RAM, NVIDIA GeForceGo 7700 GPU with 512 MB RAM
5 would really be pushing it, i don't think you'd be able to get playable performance with a 2.0 dual core and 2 GB of memory

I´m 5 boxing on a laptop nearly like this it works fine (for me) I only have to avoid bg's but 5er instances or questing are ok.

But I´m still in outland so I don´t know how it is in wotlk then.

I have all at very low settings and just one monitor.

Intel Core Duo T2450 2.0 GHz, 2Gb Ram NVIDIA GeForceGo 7600

[Evilseed]

Hey guys,

I do know that some laptops can play 5 at once. I have an alienware m-51 with a core 2 duo (desktop version) with dual video cards SLI Gefore 7900gtx OC and 4gigs of ram, solid state hard drive for main OS and raptor 10krpm hard drive for my WoWs. The key is to have some extreme graphic processing power. It plays 5 wows just fine.

Too bad I never use the laptop. Ever. Wanna buy it? :)

[pengwynman]

I´m 5 boxing on a laptop nearly like this it works fine (for me) I only have to avoid bg's but 5er instances or questing are ok.

But I´m still in outland so I don´t know how it is in wotlk then.

I have all at very low settings and just one monitor.

Intel Core Duo T2450 2.0 GHz, 2Gb Ram NVIDIA GeForceGo 7600have you tried walking around in shatt or especially dalaran?

[emesis]

Good rule of thumb--

1 core per client = good performance
2 cores per client = OK performance
more than 2 cores per client = asking for trouble



Think you meant to say "clients per core" rather than "cores per client", but I agree with your rule of thumb.

I run 5 clients on 4 cores and the asymmetry just irks me. Not so much I'd quad box though.

WTB multi-box friendly CPU (Penta-core FTW).

Mark

[btw82]

have you tried walking around in shatt or especially dalaran?

Dalaran not because i´m still in bc shat yes but i avoid it like the bgs it´s not worth to get there.

Every other city is ok.

[suicidesspyder]

LOL sorry for that but had to laugh at comments of people saying pushing it with a laptop. I have a dell xps m1350 with intel core duo t9300 @ 2.50 ghz 4gb of ram 32 bit operating system with a NVIDIA GeForceGo 7700 GPU with 512 MB RAM graphics card. I multi- box with 5 accounts on this computer and have np at all. I mean it maybe really killing the graphics card at points but i havent seen any real problem. My main screen sits at 34 fps and my alts are sitting at 25 fps and in major cities the worse they get is 18 on alts and around 24 on main. Manageable and not a problem to move around but hey i bet i could do better.

[Evilseed]

I´m 5 boxing on a laptop nearly like this it works fine (for me) I only have to avoid bg's but 5er instances or questing are ok.

But I´m still in outland so I don´t know how it is in wotlk then.

I have all at very low settings and just one monitor.

Intel Core Duo T2450 2.0 GHz, 2Gb Ram NVIDIA GeForceGo 7600have you tried walking around in shatt or especially dalaran?I haven't booted it since I bought it (No joke, the laptop cost $5250) but it ran in Shittrath just fine.

[Grimmace]

I´m 5 boxing on a laptop nearly like this it works fine (for me) I only have to avoid bg's but 5er instances or questing are ok.

But I´m still in outland so I don´t know how it is in wotlk then.

I have all at very low settings and just one monitor.

Intel Core Duo T2450 2.0 GHz, 2Gb Ram NVIDIA GeForceGo 7600have you tried walking around in shatt or especially dalaran?I haven't booted it since I bought it (No joke, the laptop cost $5250) but it ran in Shittrath just fine.And that's why ill always use a desktop for gaming

[Evilseed]

I´m 5 boxing on a laptop nearly like this it works fine (for me) I only have to avoid bg's but 5er instances or questing are ok.

But I´m still in outland so I don´t know how it is in wotlk then.

I have all at very low settings and just one monitor.

Intel Core Duo T2450 2.0 GHz, 2Gb Ram NVIDIA GeForceGo 7600have you tried walking around in shatt or especially dalaran?I haven't booted it since I bought it (No joke, the laptop cost $5250) but it ran in Shittrath just fine.And that's why ill always use a desktop for gamingYea I don't use it either. It was a gift anyway. It is UBER powerful. Funny thing is, with a full battery charge which is a 12 cell extended battery, it only goes 32 minutes LOL. I have 3 batteries tho.

Somebody buy it off me :p

[DLoweinc]

Here are the specs for my laptop:

Asus G1 gaming laptop, Intel Core 2 Duo T7200 2.0GHz processor, 2GB of DDR2 667 RAM, NVIDIA GeForceGo 7700 GPU with 512 MB RAM

Any chance of success with running 5 at once? Are players receptive to doing 10 man instances while you control 5 of the players?
Just as an FYI I was using a Dell laptop (e1705, or Inspiron 9400) with 1.8g dual core pentium M, 4 gigs of ram and an nvidia 7900gs card and I was 5 boxing fine. the biggest difference was symbolic linking of the directories.

i think you'd be fine but cities like shatt or dalaran (and probably PVP) would really lower the framerate.

instances and raids were fine (10man)

[Negativ1337]

Update on my boomkins:

http://img68.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot121008224838sd0.jpg
http://img68.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot121008215144ns5.jpg

I created them on monday evening and i dinged them level 30 on wednesday night :>

-Totemic

[pengwynman]

hah those pics bring back memories of when i was a lowbie

you should have rolled them on boulderfist with me! could you imagine 10 starfalls, 30 trees? 8|

[Negativ1337]

Yeah i am playing on EU :P

Else i would have joined you :D

-Totemic

[Tarx]

Well
I think about starting 5 boomkins too
BUT i actualy have only 4 accs (ok on old acc with bc but not linkt with raf)
AND i searcht but can anyone PLS tell my how to set the trees via makro
i dont know how to do ^^

[Grimmace]

I´m 5 boxing on a laptop nearly like this it works fine (for me) I only have to avoid bg's but 5er instances or questing are ok.

But I´m still in outland so I don´t know how it is in wotlk then.

I have all at very low settings and just one monitor.

Intel Core Duo T2450 2.0 GHz, 2Gb Ram NVIDIA GeForceGo 7600have you tried walking around in shatt or especially dalaran?I haven't booted it since I bought it (No joke, the laptop cost $5250) but it ran in Shittrath just fine.And that's why ill always use a desktop for gamingYea I don't use it either. It was a gift anyway. It is UBER powerful. Funny thing is, with a full battery charge which is a 12 cell extended battery, it only goes 32 minutes LOL. I have 3 batteries tho.

Somebody buy it off me :pYa those damn laptop batteries don't last for crap if your running games :(

[Negativ1337]

Hey what glyphs are you using? Im level 34 now and i still have zero glyphs so, i am thinking on buying a couple good ones.

Tell me what you think/have! :)

-Totemic

[pengwynman]

Hey what glyphs are you using? Im level 34 now and i still have zero glyphs so, i am thinking on buying a couple good ones.

Tell me what you think/have! :)

-Totemiclet me see if i can remember....

i have the insect swarm glyph on 4 of them-- left it off 1 for the -hit% effect. i got unburdened rebirth on all of them (brez roxs!), as well as glyph of innervate. also have the increased swim speed in mutated seal form lol.

i've been thinking of what i want as my last major glyph but i really can't think of one that would be especially useful. glyph of starfall- i don't usually moonfire before i starfall, only time this glyph would be especially useful is boss fights. glyph of moonfire decreases initial damage, would make moonfire spam not so effective :P. glyph of wrath - don't really have any problems with pushback. glyph of starfall i'm not sure about... it increases the duration by 2 seconds, but that wouldn't increase the number of stars so i don't think it would really be worth it....

any suggestions?

[Negativ1337]

Thanks :)

I bought a glyph of Starfire. Although i never use moonfire, then starfall usually because the mob is already dead by 5x starfire.

I wasnt sure if i would get insect swarm glyph, because +15% chance to miss with melee and/or ranged attacks sounded pretty yummie. Altho more damage would be better now i think about it again.

I also am getting the battleress one, but its 20g each on my server so, i will wait with that and carry mats meanwhile :)

Thanks for the reply,

-Totemic

Edit: Maybe you can get the major Rejuvenation glyph. Increases health given when your below 50% hp. So when you are at 40% hp, you maybe can get to 75% instead of 65% or whatever :)

And maybe the Wrath pushback one. Because with talents of restoration tree, Nature's Wrath its called, you get +70% pushback avoiding. And with 50% avoid on the glyph, you will have 120% avoiding pushback, so i guess you will ALWAYS cast even when you have 10.00000000 rogues on you.

[pengwynman]

Thanks :)

I bought a glyph of Starfire. Although i never use moonfire, then starfall usually because the mob is already dead by 5x starfire.

I wasnt sure if i would get insect swarm glyph, because +15% chance to miss with melee and/or ranged attacks sounded pretty yummie. Altho more damage would be better now i think about it again.

I also am getting the battleress one, but its 20g each on my server so, i will wait with that and carry mats meanwhile :)

Thanks for the reply,

-Totemic

Edit: Maybe you can get the major Rejuvenation glyph. Increases health given when your below 50% hp. So when you are at 40% hp, you maybe can get to 75% instead of 65% or whatever :)

And maybe the Wrath pushback one. Because with talents of restoration tree, Nature's Wrath its called, you get +70% pushback avoiding. And with 50% avoid on the glyph, you will have 120% avoiding pushback, so i guess you will ALWAYS cast even when you have 10.00000000 rogues on you.i just don't really see a point in getting pushback resist. for questing it's almost completely worthless because i kill mobs before they touch me, and in any other scenario it's rare for more than one of my toons to get attacked at the same time.
insect swarm +miss% doesn't stack, so i'd recommend getting it for 4 of your guys and leave it off one for the +miss (that's what i did :P )
i want a glyph that buffs my trees somehow ^^

[Negativ1337]

i want a glyph that buffs my trees somehow

I want a program that click my trees somehow :P

More ontopic: i got 4x swarm on my guys, damage is sick, i feel like a warlock tagging everything and running around with a heal here and there :) Almost 39 ^_^ and raf is so much fun to level with

[algol]

Why does a damn summon have a targeting circle anyway? Odd.

Also, they need a pet bar.

[Negativ1337]

How did you do those AoE pulls you were talking about? I am looking forward in doing this later when im higher level :)

Please explain!

-Totemic

[pengwynman]

Why does a damn summon have a targeting circle anyway? Odd.

Also, they need a pet bar.trees have a pet par

How did you do those AoE pulls you were talking about? I am looking forward in doing this later when im higher level :)

Please explain!

-Totemicdid you watch the video i posted? i do a decent-sized aoe pull near the end. basically i pop all my trees, then +spell pwr trinket and starfall. pulls anything within 30 yards and you can run around to pull more. it's fun watching the trees run off as soon as you pop starfall :D . i just keep running around pulling as many mobs as i can while i have starfall up, then try and kite them enough that they're in a more-or-less tight group, turn around and blast them with typhoon. i clean up any that are still alive with wrath/moonfire

[algol]

trees have a pet barWait, what? :huh:

Okay, good, finally. Didn't last time I cast it, but admittedly that was an expansion ago.

Now where's my "WTF why is it still GTAoE"? Does it double as an AoE nuke like Inferno (aka Summon Infernal)? No. So why is it GTAoE? Doomkin boxers demand normal summon mechanics in the name of great forest spam!

[pengwynman]

trees have a pet barWait, what? :huh:

Okay, good, finally. Didn't last time I cast it, but admittedly that was an expansion ago.

Now where's my "WTF why is it still GTAoE"? Does it double as an AoE nuke like Inferno (aka Summon Infernal)? No. So why is it GTAoE? Doomkin boxers demand normal summon mechanics in the name of great forest spam!i'd like to be able to "self target" the summon, like hold alt to summon the trees at my location, however for solo boxing i can see the worth of having GTAoE. if you see trees running towards you, you're going to immediately look in the direction they came from, whereas if they appear right next to you it may take a few more seconds to find the battle chicken that summoned them.

[Negativ1337]

And i saw you have Brambles in your talents: Which increases your trees damage by 15% and chance to daze them.

I mean, is it really worth it? Do treants really do so much dps?

Totemic

[algol]

i'd like to be able to "self target" the summon
I'd also go for having that capability for all GTAoE spells...:D

And i saw you have Brambles in your talents: Which increases your trees damage by 15% and chance to daze them.

I mean, is it really worth it? Do treants really do so much dps?

Totemic
Sure. Much more so if you have 15 of them out. "Worth it" would depend on where else you're not putting points in exchange.

[Evilseed]

Hey guys,

For those 20 people in the BETA list that I spoke to for testing out my new mouseclicking AOE/Tree'ing tool I have coming out soon, please send me a PM with your email address that I can send a copy of the mouse clicking program (code named MC :)). I will be sending out code and registration keys in the next day or 2.

Thanks!

[Evilseed]

To the person who asked if treants do much damage...

... at level 74 my 15 treants could tank and destroy a 75 world quest elite that had 180k hp all by themselves. So yes, 15 trees definitely WTFPWNS.

Also imagine it from a PVP perspective. Imagine suddenly 15 red characters suddenly appears and starts to do massive damage to you. 15 treants literally will cause a cloth character to instantly drop from full to 0.

UPDATE: Last night I was grinding mobs @ level 76 when I spy'd a group of 3 warlocks questing together. I stealthed up to the middle of them and popped my 15 trees instantly w/auto aggro triggered and the 3 warlocks literally all turned to corpses immediately. They literally all dissapeared seemingly the moment I hit the "[" button (which is my tree button). It was so awesome I damn near cried. I really should have frapped it.

[Negativ1337]

Haha awesome :)

Im getting my trees today and the water splash ability :)

I am level 45 now so i just do RAF Searing Gorge, Tanaris and WPL today and i would be around level 53. Too bad it went so fast to be honest :) I really like leveling when it goes sooo fast.

-Totemic

[Evilseed]

Haha awesome :)

Im getting my trees today and the water splash ability :)

I am level 45 now so i just do RAF Searing Gorge, Tanaris and WPL today and i would be around level 53. Too bad it went so fast to be honest :) I really like leveling when it goes sooo fast.

-TotemicThe Typhoon spell might just be my favorite one on all the druids. 5x Typhoon utterly destroys. Plus the ability to DPS while staggering 5x Typhoons out for constant CC is really, REALLY fun.

[Negativ1337]

:)

Level 52 :D

Why dont you have Gale Winds in your talent spec? +range cyclone, +damage hurricane and typhoon?

-Totemic

[Evilseed]

:)

Level 52 :D

Why dont you have Gale Winds in your talent spec? +range cyclone, +damage hurricane and typhoon?

-TotemicMe? I do!

[Negativ1337]

Aww! stop respeccing XD

Im using your build from the armory :D
Edit: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Boulderfist&n=Allai
Not on your main?

-Totemic

[lille]

Aww! stop respeccing XD

Im using your build from the armory :D
Edit: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Boulderfist&n=Allai
Not on your main?

-Totemic
Thats not Evilseed, thats Pengwynman(spelling?).

[Negativ1337]

double you tee eff.

What are your character names Evilseed?

BTW: Ding 59.5 and i got the baron trinket + 15 mobs :>

Ill make a screenshot of it.

-Totemic

[knopstr]

For those lucky few who Evilseed picked for the beta for "MC" please post something about your experience with it so far. I'm itching to get going with it, but wasn't in time to be included in the 20 person beta.

[Owltoid]

For those lucky few who Evilseed picked for the beta for "MC" please post something about your experience with it so far. I'm itching to get going with it, but wasn't in time to be included in the 20 person beta.

As much as I want to keep multi boxing moonkin a secret so that they don't become as popular as shamans, I don't understand why everyone is so excited about this program that Evilseed has. Has everyone not heard of Hotkeynet? I've only been multiboxing for a few weeks (though I dreamed of all moonkin teams for well over a year as documented by my blog treants.blog.com). Even though I'm new to MB I've been able to set up everything I need through Hotkeynet. I can cast my AoE spells, my treants, everything through using the ClickMouse function. I have buttons hotkeyed to cycle through setting up focus targets (first time Owltoid sets focus, second time Weirdowl sets target, thrid time Owlive sets her focus target). You can even do mouseover healing with the latest build.

The program is amazing and relatively simple to use. So, if you're looking for a free solution to casting treants, hurricane, whatever, then check out Hotkeynet.com.

[DeathRush]

my question is how do you do the aoe pulls in instances? you said you pull 2 groups at the same times sometimes, you cant do that every time as the trees and starfall is on 3 min cooldown, do you take out smaller groups one by one, and the larger ones with aoe?

(My 5 druid group is now at 63 with a 70 druid tanking)

[Evilseed]

For those lucky few who Evilseed picked for the beta for "MC" please post something about your experience with it so far. I'm itching to get going with it, but wasn't in time to be included in the 20 person beta.

As much as I want to keep multi boxing moonkin a secret so that they don't become as popular as shamans, I don't understand why everyone is so excited about this program that Evilseed has. Has everyone not heard of Hotkeynet? I've only been multiboxing for a few weeks (though I dreamed of all moonkin teams for well over a year as documented by my blog treants.blog.com). Even though I'm new to MB I've been able to set up everything I need through Hotkeynet. I can cast my AoE spells, my treants, everything through using the ClickMouse function. I have buttons hotkeyed to cycle through setting up focus targets (first time Owltoid sets focus, second time Weirdowl sets target, thrid time Owlive sets her focus target). You can even do mouseover healing with the latest build.

The program is amazing and relatively simple to use. So, if you're looking for a free solution to casting treants, hurricane, whatever, then check out Hotkeynet.com.My point of view on this is that it is about ease of use as well as account protection. My program is extremely easy to set up and get working, it literally takes minutes and has a great GUI. It performs one task and does it quite well. The Hotkeynet program you are referring to is a program that scares me personally. I know it is just my opinion but, I'm afraid to use Hotkeynet because it has functionality that could easily be turned into a bot program. While I can't vouch for how good it is to use with AOE targetting, I myself am going to stay clear of it just in case. I don't want to start a scare or anything, I'm just saying that I personally choose to not use that program for my reasons and those reasons are why I created my upcoming MC program.

I'm happy as long as people are playing the game and having fun. Whatever helping program they use, its cool by me! I just made mine to help me with what I think is important for myself :)

Coming REAL SOON!

[Multibocks]

so is this program used in conjunction with keyclone?

[Evilseed]

so is this program used in conjunction with keyclone?Yup :)

[Soundeyes]

What's the chance of having this (MC) ported over to OS X?

[DeathRush]

Evilsid:

my question is how do you do the aoe pulls in instances? you said you pull 2 groups at the same times sometimes, you cant do that every time as the trees and starfall is on 3 min cooldown, do you take out smaller groups one by one, and the larger ones with aoe?

(and it was a nice PVP video by the way)

(My 5 druid group is now at 63 with a 70 druid tanking)

[Mokoi]

Evilsid:

my question is how do you do the aoe pulls in instances? you said you pull 2 groups at the same times sometimes, you cant do that every time as the trees and starfall is on 3 min cooldown, do you take out smaller groups one by one, and the larger ones with aoe?

(and it was a nice PVP video by the way)

(My 5 druid group is now at 63 with a 70 druid tanking)

Boomkin staple AOE is hurricane, and the added dmg bonus of starfall while casting hurricane is negligible, and certainly not required for every pull. Earlier in the post he stated that 2 hurricanes are sufficient for any group of elites. I believe he does what I do, lifebloom > lifebloom > regrowth > rejuv > lifebloom on the tank and then let him pick everything up, casting one more lifebloom to roll while aoeing, and then letting it proc while finishing off the mobs.

This is the most efficient way to AOE tank elites I have found, and I am anxious to give his MC program a try to speed up the aoe portion of the fight =)

[pengwynman]

:)

Level 52 :D

Why dont you have Gale Winds in your talent spec? +range cyclone, +damage hurricane and typhoon?

-Totemici haven't specced into it because i never really used cyclone or hurricane for leveling, so i figured i would be better off using talents elsewhere.

buuutt..... i hit 80 yesterday! :thumbsup: so we'll see how things go, i might be respeccing soon :P

[Mokoi]

grats on 80! I dont have enough time to play this month and my guys are still 65 ><

[nakago]

Grats on 80!!

[Rowdysattva]

Gratz on 80 and congratz on evilseed coming up with a program to help target aoe... really, really, really, amazingly, really good.

I am also very interested in how you can do in arena with a x5 druid set up. I have a x5 druid set up with all at 62 and one at 64 atm. I thought that with dual spec i could have them all balance or have 3 balance and one feral and one resto if needed for heroics. One of my goals was/is to do some endgame arena and so i am especially interested in how x5 druid is with arena. I also have the one pally and x4 shaman all at about 66 atm. I want to try out shaman at above 75 to see how LvB changes things but i am really liking my druids.

The fear bombs scare me though. The shaman have a great way to handle fear bombs. I am wondering what the druids will do. I know somethings will probably work at lower opponent skill level so i am wondering about higher level skill opponents. Something i am not sure if i know much about.

Seems like 15 trees and x5 starfall would be pretty intense though for aoe and single target dps. Hurricane seems pretty bad with a few going at once too. Starting from steath is ftw. You mentioned you were blowing through many of the shaman boxers you met. Was this with hurricane? Many of the boxers i have met don't use a spread out macro well at all and so can get aoe'ed easily. If they were smart enough to spread out i think that would help.

Love to hear some stories and experiences around any of this musing.

oh
and
congrats


I notice that the shaman auto crit is gone. Overall that may be a buff but it will really change strats for them to be sure.

[pengwynman]

personally, i'm going to be running 5's with 4x druids and my friend playing his resto sham. it's really tough to constantly be switching out of boomkin to heal (don't want to be caught without the +armor bonus either) so having a dedicated healer is pretty much a must. that, plus spell damage totem, tremor, bloodlust (trees get bloodlust!), chain heal.... should be pretty formidable once we get some gear :]

[Rowdysattva]

Good point. I kinda assume that in 5's even with the shaman you want an extra player for the dedicated heals. One reason i have four shaman and +1 pally as well. I thought for arena the pally would stay home anyway.

For my druid i guess my feral/balance would stay home... or get his own different team.

Anyway plz let the forums know your experience in arena when you get through some of it.

SIDENOTE: I just posted about follow and mounts and it was in relation to some pvp in HFP. I had four of my shaman all EM CL one 66 DK that was /spit and /lol at them... and he didn't die... i think i just about died... from him not dieing. They all have about 700 spell power atm and all auto crit. I was thinking how the hell... then i remembered the pwn that is boneshield... he had boneshield up... 40% reduction in everyone of those CL

He died to the hammer of wrath anyway.

[Multibocks]

You're lucky he didnt use Anti-magic zone. You would have taken nothing off his life and then he would /lol and /spit again. X(

[Rowdysattva]

I know it might be amazing. But most UH DK i meet have not spent the talents to get AMZ. They can still have AMS and that would still negate 75% of my damage for 5 sec... more if glyphed. But when i see the green flowing shell and i don't get my nice damage it is all ok cause i get it... it was the not understanding that really hit me.

I had a DK pop AMZ when there were a few around... it was really annoying... and i had my elementals up... so i popped four earth elementals out on them and it was all good for the 30 sec it takes for the shell to go down.

Biggest problem with the DK co-ordination so far has been the deathgrips out of follow range and into a pile of them... sometimes two piles of them... each with one toon... away from the main bunch of my toons. I will still put the hurting out on them... but it has worked wonders on me. I put the hurting on the 80's and on the lowbies first. I focus the high and the low and leave the middle alone... level range wise... unless there is an attitude that has me interested in the mid levels. I have found that the 80's feel like they are godlike just because they are 80 and my shaman are 66... my pally is 69 and so if they are skull for him they must be 80. They are not unkillable... they are not all geared out in the 22nd season of epic pwn yet. I focus the lowbies cause wtf where they thinking showing up in the first place. The mid range deserves to kill me. Both the lowbies and the 80's run and try to escape when the heat is on. Sorry... tangent.

EDIT: So the thread is about Druids and druid 5 boxing. I would love more druid pvp videos. And maybe any thoughts about druids and DK so far?

[Multibocks]

Yea evil, maybe you can do some arena vids? Or at least some stealth-> hurricane pwnage to laugh at. 8o

edit: also Rowdy you should have imagined my surprise when a single 75 DK killed all of my shaman team except for the paladin tank. I was furious. I figured out what I did wrong and then camped him for 45mins. =)

[Clanked]

Wouldn't trees be able to get through the AMZ?

[Multibocks]

yep, since they are physical damage and AMZ only stops magic.

[algol]

Dump the trees and blow your mana keeping them all up, dead DK. Really, the healing part is probably overkill, but it would be nice if they were all up to hose someone else after.

[Multibocks]

curious how much health a tree has at 80? Hopefully one mage can't AE them down before they kill the mage. That would be lame.

[algol]

I don't know, but it was enough at 70 that I tended to nova them in place and ignore them in lieu of brief arcane explosion spam. But not so much I couldn't hose them if the druid was already running off and I was stuck in combat. I think it's a few thousand, plus scaling.

They were made more useful in Wrath, but also everyone now has some degree of major AoE.

[notta]

I never posted much, but I've been boxing a very long time. This post has inspired me to create a boomkin team, but man I forgot how bad leveling a new 5 man team sucks :) Blizzard really needs to get rid of gathering quests. Zygor's mod helps with the pain a little bit. Anyone ever use it? I'm starting to realize that his choice for quest ordering needs a lot of work. Anyway, good post.

[pengwynman]

Dump the trees and blow your mana keeping them all up, dead DK. Really, the healing part is probably overkill, but it would be nice if they were all up to hose someone else after.Tranquility is really good for keeping pretty much anything in your party alive :P

[algol]

Dump the trees and blow your mana keeping them all up, dead DK. Really, the healing part is probably overkill, but it would be nice if they were all up to hose someone else after.Tranquility is really good for keeping pretty much anything in your party alive :P


New finishing move: The Tranquil Forest.

Bye bye, death knight.

[Rowdysattva]

The vid where it shows five druid using tranq and it fills up the screen is totally win!

[pengwynman]

The vid where it shows five druid using tranq and it fills up the screen is totally win!lolz, anytime i line up in town i get requests for tranq, usually goes like this:

random guy: "tranq! do tranq!"
me: "sorry man, it's on cd"
random guy: "aww when's it up?"
me: "about 5 mins"

-5 minutes later-

random guy: "is tranq up"
me: "yepp"
random guy: "do it!"
me: "sorry, i stopped doing free shows. but if you'll kindly insert a quarter into one of these fine druids, i'm sure they'd be happy to perform for you"
-random guy gives druid 25g-

and then i put on my show :P

[Rin]

@Pengwynman -

Neat team you have going there... are you planning on running any dungeons with your team, or are they purely for PvP?

Cheers

[pengwynman]

@Pengwynman -

Neat team you have going there... are you planning on running any dungeons with your team, or are they purely for PvP?

Cheerswell i had planned on it, until i found that northrend dungeons are pretty much impossible without at least a tank. So i won't be able to go with 5 boomkin, might try speccing one feral and 2-3 hybrid resto/balance and do stealth runs ^^

[Multibocks]

is this even with all of the healing 5 druids can HOT on one druid? Shoot at 80 that must be like 10k health per second or something ridiculous.

edit: see now stealth runs are where its at, and that is what I will be doing with my 5 druids if I ever get time to level them past 62.

[Evilseed]

@Pengwynman -

Neat team you have going there... are you planning on running any dungeons with your team, or are they purely for PvP?

Cheerswell i had planned on it, until i found that northrend dungeons are pretty much impossible without at least a tank. So i won't be able to go with 5 boomkin, might try speccing one feral and 2-3 hybrid resto/balance and do stealth runs ^^I've done most of them without a tank, with pure 5 boomkins.

But for those that need a tank, I simply spec my main as feral, toss on my feral gear, and I'm good to go.

4x boomkins DPS and 4x boomkins heal awesomely fine.

[Multibocks]

so.... how's the weather Evil?

[daviddoran]

I tell ya, if/when they release the dual spec feature, I will definately be leveling up my other 4 lvl 27 druids... I have one 68 and one 53 now, and I like the class (one feral one boomkin)

With Dual Sec, I can have my 5x boomkin goodness, then switch easily to 1 feral tank 1 resto, and 3 boomkin (Or I guess the other 3 could be feral for their second spec, kitty mode... be fun to try at least)

[Multibocks]

any news on this?

[Piecemaker]

i'm waiting for an update too. My team is at 31 now (no RAF), so no need for any AOE right now. Instances have been extremely easy so far, even easier than with 5 x shaman. Did RFC at 14, SFK at 20, BFD at 23, RFK at 26 and now SM:GY at 30.
5 x rejuv is just godly, boss fights are trivial up to now, thrash was more enoying untill i got nature's reach (less threath) on everyone except my main. larger pulls are relatively easy thanks to root. Questing is a lot faster than 5 x shaman now thanks to insect swarm, just run around and dot, i never need to stop moving around!
At 40 i get my first AOE skill, and keyclones built-in mouse broadcasting system seems just to slow for reliable AOE'ing!

[Vêrst]

Hello Evilseed

I enjoyed reading how the 5 druids have progressed in lvls and I am starting a few new myself. I have been playing with resto shaman/paladin/boomkin/mage for a while and they are lvl 72 atm. I made them mainly for pve and managed to clear UK and 2 nexus bosses with them. After having done some world pvp with them though I am not really convinced they are the way to go and am going to lvl the druids for a more pvp/pve type grp.

I was wondering what kind of targetting system you are using? If you are using an assist system, what do you do if your 'main' is killed?

Hans

[Multibocks]

So I heard this is coming out "real soon"










?(

edit: and why was this topic moved? It's not really about group composition it's about his software that makes circle targetting easier. I guess software addons would be more appropos.

[Bena]

Evilseed: what has been your experience with mana? in the 60s, 70s, 80s? Atm I have to sit and drink after every pull. I blame it on my crap gear.. so far reading around EJ boards it seems that moonkins are pretty gear dependent when it comes to mana.

[Multibocks]

if you are leveling, always choose gear with spirit and make sure you invest in the dreamstate talents. This is more important than having massive spellpower. Once you hit 80 then go bonkers on spellpower if ya like.

[Nisch]

Being a software developer myself, I also came up with a little program that helps with multiboxing ground targets.

I have it bind to a single key (whatever I choose), and when that key is hit, my mouse location is broadcast and I can move the mouse to whatever location I want (it scales for my smaller side screens), and when i click the left mouse button, it will target the ground, and immediately turn off the mouse sharing.

It's kind of like a selective mouse sharing program. So far it has really worked well with my death knights and spamming the DnD AOE spell. I'd be interested to see if this program mentioned does something of the same. :thumbup:

[Wilbur]

I had the idea for this way back before anyone even took shaman groups seriously.

MINE!

[Multibocks]

Place nice and share with your playmates Nisch.

[Nisch]

Place nice and share with your playmates Nisch.

Well my program doesn't work if you're running a 5box on 1 machine setup. My setup is for a full hardware, where the alt computers have the client running and the server is on the main. I might look into making it available to others once I get bugs worked out of it.

[Evilseed]

Hey all,

Just a quick update. My uber awesome program I've spoken about (dubbed MC) will be officially released this Monday, January 11th. It would have been done sooner, however, I had to spend the past 2 weeks with various family members across the US. I spent most the time on half a dozen flights :p

[Multibocks]

sweeeeeet!

[Clanked]

this Monday, January 11th.

Now do you mean Sunday the 11th or Monday the 12th?

I kid I kid! :)

[Evilseed]

this Monday, January 11th.

Now do you mean Sunday the 11th or Monday the 12th?

I kid I kid! :)Ugg tiny php bug I gotta work out on the website for it. Might be another 1-2 days :)

[DeathRush]

Hey can anyone post a typical instance pull for the 5 boomkin group? Do you use a boomkin tank or do you guys have a dedicated feral tank for the WOTLK instances?
Anyone have any videos, I mean everyone is talking about aoe this and aoe that, but there are no videos showing this, and are you able to do that in WOTLK?

[Acerak]

I never posted much, but I've been boxing a very long time. This post has inspired me to create a boomkin team, but man I forgot how bad leveling a new 5 man team sucks :) Blizzard really needs to get rid of gathering quests. Zygor's mod helps with the pain a little bit. Anyone ever use it? I'm starting to realize that his choice for quest ordering needs a lot of work. Anyway, good post.
I've used Zygor's mod. It's a great in-game tool but his quest ordering, in a word, sucks.

Now, if some amibitious person could figure out how to use wow-pro.com's quest path with the Zygor tool, that would be zomg amazing levelling speed (and brainless), RAF or no. Jame's quest path is the best/fastest used by far, I just hate referring to a printout or pdf.

[GKar]

this Monday, January 11th.

Now do you mean Sunday the 11th or Monday the 12th?

I kid I kid! :)Ugg tiny php bug I gotta work out on the website for it. Might be another 1-2 days :)

You are such a tease! I don't want to even play my hunter group anymore until I can use this tool!

[Moorea]

Tip for credibility: don't announce dates you don't make (under commit over deliver, not the reverse)

[GKar]

this Monday, January 11th.

Now do you mean Sunday the 11th or Monday the 12th?

I kid I kid! :)Ugg tiny php bug I gotta work out on the website for it. Might be another 1-2 days :)

Any update? I'd love to give this a spin this weekend, wife is out of town, so plenty of WoW time.

[Mokoi]

I would like an update on this as well, I have been waiting patiently even after being offered a beta spot and never getting it, I have gone from 40s to 80 on my druids already waiting for this :P Evil give us some info dude =)

[GKar]

I would like an update on this as well, I have been waiting patiently even after being offered a beta spot and never getting it, I have gone from 40s to 80 on my druids already waiting for this :P Evil give us some info dude =)
I guess the minor PHP bug was a major bug.

[Hiarcs]

Simple mage/priest team would defeat a 5xboomkin team eyes closed with one hand on the keyboard. no offense

[Nisch]

Simple mage/priest team would defeat a 5xboomkin team eyes closed with one hand on the keyboard. no offense

Sounds very closed-minded. By your multitude of posts and your obvious vast experience, I'm sure you're the authority on this.

Stop peeing in his cheerios.

[Hiarcs]

LOL, aint peeing in anyones cheerios... Number of posts has nothing to do with being an authority figure. Being good at Multiboxing and PVP does and both of those abilities you have no idea about me. This is a general discussion board and I am entitled to my opinion no matter how much you disagree with it. The only closed minded person here was you for the very fact you were not open to the idea yeah "you" might be right.

Regardless, its a mute point now because i doubt most peoples M-B paths will cross in order to test out any and all of these theories anyways

[SpruceGoose]

8/29/08

Looks like you will be quite surprised then when you see my app

12/7/08

I'm going to be releasing it to the public very soon. Basically I'm doing a lot of stress testing as it is. This tool of mine is an ABSOLUTE GODSEND.

12/16/08

I've asked those initial people who are testing to keep it under wraps for the moment. It'll be out *very* soon

12/24/08

I'mma make a video of it soon, right after xmas

1/9/09

Just a quick update. My uber awesome program I've spoken about (dubbed MC) will be officially released this Monday, January 11th.

1/13/09

Ugg tiny php bug I gotta work out on the website for it. Might be another 1-2 days


From Merriam-Webster


Main Entry:
va·por·ware
Pronunciation:
\?v?-p?r-?wer\
Function:
noun
Date:
1984

Definition:
a computer-related product that has been widely advertised but has not and may never become available

[Vêrst]

Hey guys if you are having problems broadcasting mouseclicks just use HotkeyNet. Im currently playing 4 druids, and broadcasting mouseclicks for trees and hurricane is working smoothly. I just press a modifier key which automatically sends the mouseclicks to all the screens whenever I press it.

On a second note Im interested in how people are managing instance runs in WotLK with boomkins. Im having real problems with simple instances due to the fact that my druids just take too much damage. I had to spec one of the druids feral to be able to pull off decent runs without having to root everything all the time. I realize 4 does not equal 5 so I tried with another dps to tag along but it doesnt really make a huge impact. Obviously just running boomkins is a pvp oriented setup but it would be nice to be able to run some instances without having to respec all the time.

[Evilseed]

Simple mage/priest team would defeat a 5xboomkin team eyes closed with one hand on the keyboard. no offense

Sounds very closed-minded. By your multitude of posts and your obvious vast experience, I'm sure you're the authority on this.

Stop peeing in his cheerios.I do love my cheerios.

I'm hoping to release it when I wake up from a nap today :)

To the vaporware comment - LOL. Touche :)

[weeep]

Personally I gave up on waiting for Evilseed's program, and set up Hotkeynet for it. It is amazing software without keyclone's numerous bugs and mouse broadcasting works perfectly.

[Mokoi]

To the vaporware comment - LOL. Touche :)

Prove us wrong pls.

[Nisch]

LOL, aint peeing in anyones cheerios... Number of posts has nothing to do with being an authority figure. Being good at Multiboxing and PVP does and both of those abilities you have no idea about me. This is a general discussion board and I am entitled to my opinion no matter how much you disagree with it. The only closed minded person here was you for the very fact you were not open to the idea yeah "you" might be right.

Regardless, its a mute point now because i doubt most peoples M-B paths will cross in order to test out any and all of these theories anyways

Yes, you are Mr Multiboxer.

I stand corrected. I stand corrected. :rolleyes:

It's not about me being closed-minded, but rather seeing that you felt threatened by the original post enough that you needed to come in here and make your post. Going through your old posts, you have none that get this much attention. Perhaps that makes you feel the need to discredit his team. I don't have any idea. I really don't care. The fact remains that your post proved no point other than, well I keep saying it..........but to pee in his cheerios.

It equates to you coming in here and saying "My dad can beat up your dad".

I'm sure you won't see this and you'll try to make your stand......go right ahead. You're entitled. You seem like the confrontational type. (obviously as previously discussed)

I guess my equivalent would be to point out that it is not a "mute" point......rather it is "moot". http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/moot

Cheers

[Nisch]

Back on topic. Evilseed : It is better to be delayed in release than to release a buggy product. This is one of the main reasons I don't release my software publicly (outside of work, of course)

Take your time. I'm always afraid of releasing anything and I'll end up working on that most of the time to please others with the software and it takes away from the general idea of the program in the first place..........to enjoy WoW.

[Hiarcs]

reply to Nisch

Mute/Moot, no difference to me as long as people get the idea, which you obviously did or you wouldn’t have made it an issue and the basis of your weak comeback. Now I wasn’t even going to bother lowering myself to your level in order to address your insecurities but you left me so much ammunition I couldn’t resist. First off a little advice, try to think before you speak that way you won’t look like an idiot when you get burned. Secondly, if you want to get all technical on spelling errors or what you perceive to be a spec in my eye I really recommend you take the plank out of your own eye. If you will, please allow me to quote a few posts so you as well as anyone else who reads this can clearly see what an insecure hypocrite you are. This is quoted from Mr.Evilseed himself… right there on the first page right at the top… Pay close attention now cause you don’t want to miss this.
“Hey guys!”
“Trees: 15x trees is literally amazing. Every time I do it it brings tears to my eyes. I can automatically drop 15 trees and make them auto agro and they seriously WRECKSHOP. To give you an idea, when I was level 73 my trees alone could kill a 200,000 hp quest elite.”
“World PVP: 5x boomkins is #1 imo simply because they can stealth to a group of unsuspecting alliance and open up with a starfire/typhoon and can instantly kill a group of 10 easily. I'm not joking”
“Moonfire spam: Another thing that brings tears to my eyes is moonfire spamming. 1 5x moonfire volley will bring a guy down to 40% just like that. The DOT effect will finish”

Now in your last reply towards me you made the comment and I “quote”…
“It's not about me being closed-minded, but rather seeing that you felt threatened by the original post enough that you needed to come in here and make your post.”
Now I don’t know about you or anyone else who reads Mr.Evilseeds original post, but I don’t really find anything he had to say all that threatening, in fact when I read his post I feel quite the opposite. Feeling threatened would be the furthest thing from my mind and here is why. He starts off by saying “Hey guys!” Sounds friendly so far wouldn’t you agree? And if you read on he goes on to describe how his trees are literally amazing, so amazing in fact that it brings tears to his eyes. Now I don’t know about you but a man in tears does not sound all that threatening does he? The way I understood it is that he is having an awesome time exploring his boomkin side. (Yes bad pun I know)
Moving on we read something very important… He says “World PVP: 5x boomkins is #1 imo” whoa, back up… he said “IMO” which means In my opinion. Now again, I don’t know about you but never in my life have I felt threatened by someone’s opinion. Now put a man with an argument in front of me then aye I would probably feel threatened and provoked to defend or attack back, but never a man with an opinion as I can’t possibly feel threatened over someones opinion. And moving on to his last quote here… again we see how moonfire spamming brings more tears to his eyes, which again shouldn’t aggro a balanced person.

Now the next point I want to address is your hypocrisy, reason I call you this is because if you closely examine Mr.evilseeds original post you will see many spelling errors as well grammar errors. Yet, we do not see you flaming him for that now do we? In fact looking through your posts I can’t see you pointing out anyone elses spelling/grammar mistakes. Yet you jumped all over my Mute/moot mistake because in reality it’s all you really had to back you. Now don’t take this as a threat but rather as my opinion that you have built your life on sandy ground and clearly you are sinking fast my friend. Had you built your life on a rock you surely wouldn’t have these insecurities, and you would be able to help remove the spec in someone’s eye because you wouldn’t have a plank in your own. If this analogy finds you dumbfounded I recommend you look in the bible. This is my way to thank you for being so gracious of a hypocrite to assist me in providing me the dictionary reference link to moot. I suppose I could give you a few links but the Bible in general should be enough to go on if you were really that interested.

Now going through Mr.evilseeds original post we can see he clearly spelled hurricains’ wrong *hurricanes*
When he says “I’m not joking, I have killed groups of 10 alliance instantly…” I suppose one could point out instead of a comma after joking it should really be a semi-colon “;”. Other various capitalization mistakes can all be pointed out as well.
The point I am trying to make here is everyone makes spelling/grammar mistakes including you. Let’s take a look at a few you have done shall we?
I quote… The fact remains that your post proved no point other than, well I keep saying it..........but to pee in his cheerios.

Again instead of a comma you should have used a semi-colon.
Quote… “You seem like the confrontational type. (obviously as previously discussed)
Here you are missing the Capital in the word obviously.

Now pettiness aside, the real issue is your statement that I am peeing in his cheerios. Let’s take a look at what I said exactly shall we?
Quoting myself here I simply stated “Simple mage/priest team would defeat a 5xboomkin team eyes closed with one hand on the keyboard. No offense.” (Bold statement? yes)

Now I even said at the end here “no offense” which means no threatening intentions in my comment. It was merely a statement which conveys “My” opinion just the same as Mr.Evilseed was giving his opinion (perhaps I should have used “imo”) that way you could of saved yourself a lot of embarrassment. Now as I said, a man with an opinion does not threaten me and in all reality you sir are just an opinion to me. However, you seem to want to be that man with an argument in which case I say to you “Unguard”. (You might want to double check my spelling on that word as I might have spelled it wrong in which case you are free to correct me)
Last thing I want to point out regarding your “threatening” comment is if you look at Mr.seeds reply to my comment you can clearly see he didn’t take offense to what I said. He replies “I do love my cheerios”, so how can anyone draw the conclusion Mr.evilseed felt threatened when his reply was that of lightheartedness. He didn’t even address my comment which leads me to believe even he didn’t view my comment as pissing in his cheerios rather it was just some guys opinion and he is entitled to it.
Another thing you mentioned was that due to my multitude of posts (perhaps lack of avatar) and vast experience it must make me an authority figure. Now that has got to be the dumbest thing I have ever had to read. If you actually read through my post history, it’s really just full of support related questions when I first started multiboxing and was becoming familiar with keyclone. Now in that alone you can see I don’t piss in anyone’s cheerios as it’s not in my nature to pee on people or their things. I just think that deep down you know you are empty inside; perhaps you feel it requires someone with 114 posts and an avatar displaying 5 or more monitors to be considered an authority figure? Does having 114 posts VS 44 posts and displaying 5 monitors in your avatar over no avatar make you an authority figure? Let me answer that for you real quickly ok, having 100 or so more posts than me and displaying an extension to your Epeen doesn’t make you squat. All it makes you is an insecure man looking for an argument.
I could be the worst Multiboxer in the world with the fewest posts and crappiest computer; that still doesn’t support your authority figure assertions. Because in really it has nothing to do with number of posts, or computer specs, or even being a great multiboxer. It comes down to skill in PVP and It is my opinion that mage/priest team would give the best burst AOE dps as well as many counter sequences to the druids. So for the last time, my comment was my opinion which was posted to draw in possible theoretical discussion and not some insecure man with an argument.

I must admit I had to chuckle when I read your last reply because in it you state “I’m sure you won’t see this and you’ll try to make your stand… go right ahead. You’re entitled. You seem like the confrontational type”. You know what I read into that? I think deep down you know you are standing on sandy ground and all around you are thorn bushes, no matter the direction you want to take this you are going to get pricked, because my opinion is the pee in “your” cheerios.
Now I really don’t care to have any more dialogue with you as you have already proved to be time well wasted. But hopefully you will learn something from this and be a better person because of it.

PS: I love cheerios and would never pee on them :-)

Cheerio to you too.

[Tasty]

reply to Nisch

Mute/Moot, no difference to me as long as people get the idea, which you obviously did or you wouldn’t have made it an issue and the basis of your weak comeback. Now I wasn’t even going to bother lowering myself to your level in order to address your insecurities but you left me so much ammunition I couldn’t resist. First off a little advice, try to think before you speak that way you won’t look like an idiot when you get burned. Secondly, if you want to get all technical on spelling errors or what you perceive to be a spec in my eye I really recommend you take the plank out of your own eye. If you will, please allow me to quote a few posts so you as well as anyone else who reads this can clearly see what an insecure hypocrite you are. This is quoted from Mr.Evilseed himself… right there on the first page right at the top… Pay close attention now cause you don’t want to miss this.
“Hey guys!”
“Trees: 15x trees is literally amazing. Every time I do it it brings tears to my eyes. I can automatically drop 15 trees and make them auto agro and they seriously WRECKSHOP. To give you an idea, when I was level 73 my trees alone could kill a 200,000 hp quest elite.”
“World PVP: 5x boomkins is #1 imo simply because they can stealth to a group of unsuspecting alliance and open up with a starfire/typhoon and can instantly kill a group of 10 easily. I'm not joking”
“Moonfire spam: Another thing that brings tears to my eyes is moonfire spamming. 1 5x moonfire volley will bring a guy down to 40% just like that. The DOT effect will finish”

Now in your last reply towards me you made the comment and I “quote”…
“It's not about me being closed-minded, but rather seeing that you felt threatened by the original post enough that you needed to come in here and make your post.”
Now I don’t know about you or anyone else who reads Mr.Evilseeds original post, but I don’t really find anything he had to say all that threatening, in fact when I read his post I feel quite the opposite. Feeling threatened would be the furthest thing from my mind and here is why. He starts off by saying “Hey guys!” Sounds friendly so far wouldn’t you agree? And if you read on he goes on to describe how his trees are literally amazing, so amazing in fact that it brings tears to his eyes. Now I don’t know about you but a man in tears does not sound all that threatening does he? The way I understood it is that he is having an awesome time exploring his boomkin side. (Yes bad pun I know)
Moving on we read something very important… He says “World PVP: 5x boomkins is #1 imo” whoa, back up… he said “IMO” which means In my opinion. Now again, I don’t know about you but never in my life have I felt threatened by someone’s opinion. Now put a man with an argument in front of me then aye I would probably feel threatened and provoked to defend or attack back, but never a man with an opinion as I can’t possibly feel threatened over someones opinion. And moving on to his last quote here… again we see how moonfire spamming brings more tears to his eyes, which again shouldn’t aggro a balanced person.

Now the next point I want to address is your hypocrisy, reason I call you this is because if you closely examine Mr.evilseeds original post you will see many spelling errors as well grammar errors. Yet, we do not see you flaming him for that now do we? In fact looking through your posts I can’t see you pointing out anyone elses spelling/grammar mistakes. Yet you jumped all over my Mute/moot mistake because in reality it’s all you really had to back you. Now don’t take this as a threat but rather as my opinion that you have built your life on sandy ground and clearly you are sinking fast my friend. Had you built your life on a rock you surely wouldn’t have these insecurities, and you would be able to help remove the spec in someone’s eye because you wouldn’t have a plank in your own. If this analogy finds you dumbfounded I recommend you look in the bible. This is my way to thank you for being so gracious of a hypocrite to assist me in providing me the dictionary reference link to moot. I suppose I could give you a few links but the Bible in general should be enough to go on if you were really that interested.

Now going through Mr.evilseeds original post we can see he clearly spelled hurricains’ wrong *hurricanes*
When he says “I’m not joking, I have killed groups of 10 alliance instantly…” I suppose one could point out instead of a comma after joking it should really be a semi-colon “;”. Other various capitalization mistakes can all be pointed out as well.
The point I am trying to make here is everyone makes spelling/grammar mistakes including you. Let’s take a look at a few you have done shall we?
I quote… The fact remains that your post proved no point other than, well I keep saying it..........but to pee in his cheerios.

Again instead of a comma you should have used a semi-colon.
Quote… “You seem like the confrontational type. (obviously as previously discussed)
Here you are missing the Capital in the word obviously.

Now pettiness aside, the real issue is your statement that I am peeing in his cheerios. Let’s take a look at what I said exactly shall we?
Quoting myself here I simply stated “Simple mage/priest team would defeat a 5xboomkin team eyes closed with one hand on the keyboard. No offense.” (Bold statement? yes)

Now I even said at the end here “no offense” which means no threatening intentions in my comment. It was merely a statement which conveys “My” opinion just the same as Mr.Evilseed was giving his opinion (perhaps I should have used “imo”) that way you could of saved yourself a lot of embarrassment. Now as I said, a man with an opinion does not threaten me and in all reality you sir are just an opinion to me. However, you seem to want to be that man with an argument in which case I say to you “Unguard”. (You might want to double check my spelling on that word as I might have spelled it wrong in which case you are free to correct me)
Last thing I want to point out regarding your “threatening” comment is if you look at Mr.seeds reply to my comment you can clearly see he didn’t take offense to what I said. He replies “I do love my cheerios”, so how can anyone draw the conclusion Mr.evilseed felt threatened when his reply was that of lightheartedness. He didn’t even address my comment which leads me to believe even he didn’t view my comment as pissing in his cheerios rather it was just some guys opinion and he is entitled to it.
Another thing you mentioned was that due to my multitude of posts (perhaps lack of avatar) and vast experience it must make me an authority figure. Now that has got to be the dumbest thing I have ever had to read. If you actually read through my post history, it’s really just full of support related questions when I first started multiboxing and was becoming familiar with keyclone. Now in that alone you can see I don’t piss in anyone’s cheerios as it’s not in my nature to pee on people or their things. I just think that deep down you know you are empty inside; perhaps you feel it requires someone with 114 posts and an avatar displaying 5 or more monitors to be considered an authority figure? Does having 114 posts VS 44 posts and displaying 5 monitors in your avatar over no avatar make you an authority figure? Let me answer that for you real quickly ok, having 100 or so more posts than me and displaying an extension to your Epeen doesn’t make you squat. All it makes you is an insecure man looking for an argument.
I could be the worst Multiboxer in the world with the fewest posts and crappiest computer; that still doesn’t support your authority figure assertions. Because in really it has nothing to do with number of posts, or computer specs, or even being a great multiboxer. It comes down to skill in PVP and It is my opinion that mage/priest team would give the best burst AOE dps as well as many counter sequences to the druids. So for the last time, my comment was my opinion which was posted to draw in possible theoretical discussion and not some insecure man with an argument.

I must admit I had to chuckle when I read your last reply because in it you state “I’m sure you won’t see this and you’ll try to make your stand… go right ahead. You’re entitled. You seem like the confrontational type”. You know what I read into that? I think deep down you know you are standing on sandy ground and all around you are thorn bushes, no matter the direction you want to take this you are going to get pricked, because my opinion is the pee in “your” cheerios.
Now I really don’t care to have any more dialogue with you as you have already proved to be time well wasted. But hopefully you will learn something from this and be a better person because of it.

PS: I love cheerios and would never pee on them :-)

Cheers to you too.

No offense and this may seem a little crude, but couldn't all that effort you put forth be put to better use than a pissing contest on a forum? :P

[magnu55]

reply to Nisch...
imo, no offence; that's a specK in one's eye.

[Hiarcs]

Tasty...

"No offense and this may seem a little crude, but couldn't all that effort you put forth be put to better use than a pissing contest on a forum? "

Seems to me you want to join the contest? and I agree as u can see in my reply I said it was time well wasted, so your not saying anything I already didn't clairify.

I wrote that reply over a bowl of Cheerios and it was complete by my last mouthful. Are you wanting to refill my bowl? Or shall we address the issue of of my comment that Mages/priest team would be better than moonkin as that is all i ever wanted to take place here.

My thoughts on why include mages ability to nulify druids aoe starfall by having the arcane absorbtion with mana dampening as well CS and any arcane reisists. Starfall i believe is Arcane dmg which the mage has best defense to. With the priests each doing 4k heal per second i don't think the druids can maintain enough AOE dmg.

Now the only thing that makes me cringe is the nerf to Priests COH and the druids buff in the recent patch so factoring that in... could make it alot harder fight. But with shields and stacked renews followed by holy nova/ coh, sielence, screams. I just feel they have more tools to counter 5 boomkins.
Of course this is just a tip of the iceburg if you really want to disect this topic to death.

[Tasty]

Sigh

[Zub]

such an interesting topic, pity it gets diverted in a wow-forum way.
(apologies if i used comas instead of semi-colons, we all know how important it is, /facepalm)



Evilseed, how are you doing with your druids? you still reckon they are #1?
Any impacting changes in the patch? Haven't really checked the druid situation.
Wuold love to see more movies.

[valkry]

You are arguing with the wrong person now. Tasty IS a 'priest+mages' team...

[Hiarcs]

You are arguing with the wrong person now. Tasty IS a 'priest+mages' team...

Actually Valkry, Tasty started dialogue with me which would indicate he is starting the argument if you want to call it that. But I don't see how you would say I am arguing with the wrong guy when in my reply to him i said "i agree". What is up with people on this forum unable to understand the english language? Perhaps it is the reason for all the wars in the world everyone thinks they are in an argument. Is this human nature or the game instilling these behaviors?

Got an idea, why don't we all try to make the next 10 replies about the actual issue of mage/priest vs boomkin as my last reply tried to do?

lol Zub, i am fairly confident you were trying to be funny so i just want to say no you don't need a semi-colon there. But really semi-colon has nothing to do with anything, i just used it as an example to show everyone makes spelling and grammar mistakes and its childish to make it an issue on msg boards in this day and age.

[Hiarcs]

reply to Nisch...
imo, no offence; that's a specK in one's eye.

Thankyou for the correction.

[Batteries]

Let's get this back on track ...

Could we hear anyone from beta testing or Evilseed comment on the program's viability for other classes other than Boomkin. eg. Warlock Rain of Fire, and if adjustments could be made to compensate for the clones being 2-5 yards behind the leader in terms of AoE positioning.

Congratz in advance on your future program mate, will be the biggest break thru since the FTL system for multiboxers.

Batteries

[weeep]

and if adjustments could be made to compensate for the clones being 2-5 yards behind the leader in terms of AoE positioning.
HotKeyNet lets you broadcast mouse clicks to slave windows with any desired offset to compensate this.
And it IS released, and it IS working.

[Multibocks]

ya but HKN isnt user friendly (i.e. it isnt a GUI interface).

[magnu55]

HotKeyNet lets you broadcast mouse clicks to slave windows with any desired offset to compensate this.
And it IS released, and it IS working.Octopus broadcasts mouse clicks too but it only broadcasts one mouse cursor per client. This wouldn't be a problem if I only ran one WoW instance per physical computer; but alas I don't.
Question: Does HKN broadcast a visible cursor to all WoW windows running on one computer?

[Mamut]

HotKeyNet lets you broadcast mouse clicks to slave windows with any desired offset to compensate this.
And it IS released, and it IS working.Octopus broadcasts mouse clicks too but it only broadcasts one mouse cursor per client. This wouldn't be a problem if I only ran one WoW instance per physical computer; but alas I don't.
Question: Does HKN broadcast a visible cursor to all WoW windows running on one computer?

While it does only send one cursor per machine, i can send clicks without the cursor being sent, make sure to use focus follows mouse to make this more smooth. I regularly send clicks to 5 windows on the same machine at once using octopus.

[magnu55]

While it does only send one cursor per machine, i can send clicks without the cursor being sent, make sure to use focus follows mouse to make this more smooth. I regularly send clicks to 5 windows on the same machine at once using octopus.Mamut, my problem is clicking on NPCs to open the gossip pane. If I can see the cursors, I can simply hold down my cursor+click broadcast key (I set it to hold and not toggle) and click a few times near the NPC to get all 5 toons to open the gossip pane - all done in the current window. Since I can't see the cursors, I have to manually go to all 5 windows to click the NPC. Do you have any tips on how u accomplish this? In any case, thanks for the earlier reply.

[Mamut]

While it does only send one cursor per machine, i can send clicks without the cursor being sent, make sure to use focus follows mouse to make this more smooth. I regularly send clicks to 5 windows on the same machine at once using octopus.Mamut, my problem is clicking on NPCs to open the gossip pane. If I can see the cursors, I can simply hold down my cursor+click broadcast key (I set it to hold and not toggle) and click a few times near the NPC to get all 5 toons to open the gossip pane - all done in the current window. Since I can't see the cursors, I have to manually go to all 5 windows to click the NPC. Do you have any tips on how u accomplish this? In any case, thanks for the earlier reply.

I use that setview macro to reset all my guys to the predetermined camera angle, then in the case of my DK/shammy squad i run my 4 shamans to beside the npc, then back up my DK to stand ontop of them and start broadcasting clicks. I rarely miss NPC's and never have a problem with the quest log buttons like "continue" and "accept" or selecting flight paths. For my druids i just go into travel form or cat form and reset camera view then run right on top of the npc spot, never miss if the npc is centered on all 5 screens.

I also can see where its clicking on the clients without the cursor broadcasting, makes a small spot like the end of a cursor show up for a split second so i can correct if its a hard to see npc like the flight master in dalaran. (always have people standing around that guy).

Not sure if any of that will help but its what i do. last thing is you have to make sure all of your wows are same, i checked the auto gx resolution in profiles section and have not a problem with the aspect ratios or relative positioning of any of my clones.

[magnu55]

Mamut:
Great post! Lotsa info there. I'll check out your tips and see if they help me out. Thanks for sharing. I'm really glad to see fellow Octopus users. There are lots of posts about keyclone but frankly (and this is perhaps I'm not as demanding a multiboxer) I don't see any need to switch. Cheers.

[Rin]

Hey guys!

Just an update on the 5x boomkin. Holy crap they are amazing. I was lucky to roll them prior to WOTLK w/o knowing they would be getting some extreme buffs.

I'll describe some typical situations with my 5x Boomkins;

Instances: I can do pretty much every instance so far in Boomkin form with NO TANK and NO HEALERs. Huge armor, absolutely ridiculous healing power, and 5x roots, makes instancing fairly easy. Even boss fights are easy. For a boss fight, I simply toss massive HOTs on my main druid, have him attack first to get aggro (and he always maintains it), and then DPS down soo fast. For trash I just root them all and blast `em down 1 at a time. Elites with 35k hp take 2 volleys only which is fast. Not to mention I often just AOE them.


I'm sorry dude, but I need to call your bluff at this point. You haven't done more than 2 instances with your entire druid team. You have not completed any heroics with your setup (although, you have completed most heroics with ONE of characters). Quit spreading lies.

How do I know?

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-achievements.xml?r=Blackrock&n=Evilseedc
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-achievements.xml?r=Blackrock&n=Evilseedb
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-achievements.xml?r=Blackrock&n=Evilseeda
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-achievements.xml?r=Blackrock&n=Evilseede

It's hard to doctor your armory profile (read: I checked out your Character Achievement dates). It looks like you run 2 of your druids on most encounters. Not to mention, your arena ratings aren't anything to be bragging about.

[Moorea]

Well we established (see other threads) Evilseed is a mythomaniac at best and possibly a scammer (his requests for people to signup for "beta" are somewhat suspicious given nothing ever materialize...) - Frankly I'm surprised he actually has 5x80 druids (even if nowhere as "powerful" as claimed)

[Coltimar]

Owned. The lot of you tbh.

[Crackjack]

As for the comment saying that I ripped off the tool that is on Mousecloner.com, that is actually my tool. I created a new nickname on the DB site of Mousecloner simply as a way to seperate my personal ramblings versus a unified professional username to handle questions/feature requests/etc related to the Mousecloner software.Wow, i was actually considering buying this mouseclone but now that you say it is actually your tool i think i pass after viewing 10 pages of what to me look like pure attention seeking bullshit(Sorry but it does)



If for some reason you want to verify it, just check the site, I added a quote about how I love using Mousecloner on my 5x Boomkins as Evilseed/Tim.So if i create an account on dual-boxing with the name "Thundgot" i can refer to my posts on the eu forums as evidence that i actually AM Thundgot? Sounds reasonable!

I truly hope that people don't actually belive this guy and his so called "tool" that has more secrets than the JFK murder itself.

[Evilseed]

So if i create an account on dual-boxing with the name "Thundgot" i can refer to my posts on the eu forums as evidence that i actually AM Thundgot? Sounds reasonable!

Wow I'm being accused of stealing my own content. It must be some real good software, eh? I think I should be flattered! :)

I have a growing list of customers who are pleased with the product. Rather than join in with the man-who-had-his-coolaid-altered, why not do some research on facts and substantiate your opinion? It is actually a very slick piece of software.

[Crackjack]

So if i create an account on dual-boxing with the name "Thundgot" i can refer to my posts on the eu forums as evidence that i actually AM Thundgot? Sounds reasonable!

Wow I'm being accused of stealing my own content. It must be some real good software, eh? I think I should be flattered! :)

I have a growing list of customers who are pleased with the product. Rather than join in with the man-who-had-his-coolaid-altered, why not do some research on facts and substantiate your opinion? It is actually a very slick piece of software.

I did some research on dual-boxing forums actually and look what i found...

[Other] MouseCloner a very powerfull product if legal. ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=171022&l=1') = Locked

[Other] New software to click mouse (AOE casters rejoice!) ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=18670') = Locked

Notice how your name is mentioned in one of them also? (I do Love How On the Mouseclone site One of the testimonials is from Evilseed :cursing: ) - Gotta love sarcasm eh?

And i guess Rins post speaks for itself?



I'm sorry dude, but I need to call your bluff at this point. You haven't done more than 2 instances with your entire druid team. You have not completed any heroics with your setup (although, you have completed most heroics with ONE of characters). Quit spreading lies.

How do I know?

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-achie…ock&n=Evilseedc
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-achie…ock&n=Evilseedb
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-achie…ock&n=Evilseeda
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-achie…ock&n=Evilseede

It's hard to doctor your armory profile (read: I checked out your Character Achievement dates). It looks like you run 2 of your druids on most encounters. Not to mention, your arena ratings aren't anything to be bragging about.


Now maybe i'm wrong and you are a totally honest person and everything but i very much doubt that is the case...
Viewing your posts makes me think of a carseller who desperately tries to sell this "awesome godmode imba etc. etc." car...

[Los]

enjoyable reads everytime

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=qPwJ5198iYU&feature=PlayList&p=BD779B1E4C883626&playnext=1&index=3

[Evilseed]

EDIT: For those who are still curious on if this is in the gray, I have begun building a webpage documenting Blizzard's response to mouse cloning in general per the methods that my application uses.

http://mousecloner.com/blizresponse.php

To the Fursphere moderator: You've asked me directly to provide proof of a Blizzard employee which is why I have done this. I have dedicated a page to this and will constantly be updating it as much as I can with things ranging from GM screenshots to any email or official forum postings as they become available.

Fursphere said:

You keep saying this.... I'd like to see a Blizzard employee confirmation before I believe it. Keep in mind that a wide variety of claims have been made, and each has been addressed and clarified, however a lot of the clarifications I have made to a lot of wild claims has been moderated out. If anybody else has any questions, please feel free to ask me or email me appsup@mousecloner.com .

[Kicksome]

First off, this is pure speculation on my part...

1) Move mouse to a predetermined x,y position
2) Click mouse

Sure seems like 2 actions

you are doing both with 1 command.

it seems like this isn't mouse cloning (where the mouse movement is copied), it's using a key to launch an automated mouse movement and click task.

Maybe ask the GM something like this exactly:
"Can I have use a program, that when I press a key it makes the mouse move to certain position on the screen and then clicks the mouse button. "

[Evilseed]

First off, this is pure speculation on my part...

1) Move mouse to a predetermined x,y position
2) Click mouse

Sure seems like 2 actions

you are doing both with 1 command.

it seems like this isn't mouse cloning (where the mouse movement is copied), it's using a key to launch an automated mouse movement and click task.

Maybe ask the GM something like this exactly:
"Can I have use a program, that when I press a key it makes the mouse move to certain position on the screen and then clicks the mouse button. "Hey there,

Actually it is 1 action because you cannot send a click to a WoW window without moving the mouse there :) But I see where you are going with this, that the issue of semantics and clarity are of utmost importance to you. No harm in this IMO. I've yet another conversations with a GM which eventually will be on the website. I imagine people can raise flags on semantics all the time, however, hopefully the sheer number of uniquely worded questions and GM confirmations will eventually wear down even the most rigid skeptic.

Keep in mind I'm doing my best, I really am. I'd love to say to everybody that I have a solid gold diamond encrusted authentic plaque by Blizzard allowing me free reign, but realistically I am only able to do my best with what I have available. I have a lust for multiboxing, a couple contacts at Blizzard, a good development team, and appreciative users helping me out. My new GM conversations, or one that another person makes who multiboxers, will hopefully have better/different sementics to cover all angles here :)

[Harem]

So that I understand the difference here...


This differs from Hotkeynet in that hotkeynet mouses your cursor on other windows relative to your mouse position in your main windows and then clicks based on where your main pointer is.

But this software - it just applies a mouse click, at a specific x,y (same everytime) in each window, when you press a key. So it isn't duplicating one windows cursor into other windows, it is simply telling other windows a mouse click occurred and it was at x,y without any actual mouse movement being taken into consideration.


I'm sure I'll be flamed as a noob but...

Seems like Blizzard has iterated (and re-iterated) the position that as long as your are at your machine and a brain cell in your brain fired and YOU do something that caused AN action in the game then it's ok.

The line here seems to be that a keystroke is causing a mouse movement AND a mouse click, and that seems to allow us to skip a step in our actions.

All the petitions I see screenshots of don't seem to impart the nature of the utility (one keypress causes the same x,y mouse click on clients everytime it is pressed, regardless of where our mouse cursor actually is) so that we don't feel comfortable that blizzard is REALLY aware of what this utility is doing.

Seems awesome and I hope it gets cleared. But I think the tactic to clearing it is making it criticly clear to blizzard what exactly the utility is doing.

[Kicksome]

Actually it is 1 action because you cannot send a click to a WoW window without moving the mouse there :)
Moving the mouse to activate the focus of the window, and moving it to a specific pre-determined coordinate on the screen, then clicking it with a single keypress are two totally different things IMO.

I mean, targeting the ground where you want to AOE is supposed to take some degree of TIME and skill, and this is automating the Aiming and spell execution process if nothing else.

At least it seems that way to me, hopefully I'm wrong.

[Harem]

This thread ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=17593')

is interesting as it pertains to the questions here.

[Evilseed]

(HUGE NEWS COMING SOON, EDITING OUT THE NEWS FOR NOW)

[Frojax]

I have to say, I am very interested in this tool, but being new to the scene and all, I don't really want to commit to trying it until the matters of legality are
cleared up. If/when it is given as much of a green light as other tools have, then I will be the first to grab it. The sooner the better in my eyes, as I am about
to start levelling my mage, druid and hunter teams, so it would come in very handy :D

My druids are currently at 20 and I'm looking forward to seeing how well they will do in the future, at the moment they suck, but I will probably RAF them up
a few levels tomorrow, so that I can start playing Boomkins.

Keep up the good work and don't get disheartend, but if you turn out to be a scammer, your cookie jar is at my mercy! :)

[Evilseed]

I have to say, I am very interested in this tool, but being new to the scene and all, I don't really want to commit to trying it until the matters of legality are
cleared up. If/when it is given as much of a green light as other tools have, then I will be the first to grab it. The sooner the better in my eyes, as I am about
to start levelling my mage, druid and hunter teams, so it would come in very handy :D

My druids are currently at 20 and I'm looking forward to seeing how well they will do in the future, at the moment they suck, but I will probably RAF them up
a few levels tomorrow, so that I can start playing Boomkins.

Keep up the good work and don't get disheartend, but if you turn out to be a scammer, your cookie jar is at my mercy! :)You'll want to see this link for sure. ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=18820')

[Moorea]

You'll want to see this link for sure. ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=18820')
or that February 2008 link:


Mobile WoW officially being considered ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=36059&highlight=#post36059')
Heya guys!

I'm glad you think a mobile WoW would be really cool. Why? Because I am about to release a Mobile WoW Player very soon!

Basically
it lets you play WoW on your Windows Mobile cell phones, full video and
sound. Very slick. I have it on my cell phone now and it is neat as
hell.

I'm working out some final bugs but I intend to have this done ASAP.

Anybody interested in beta testing?

I guess the difference is this time you found someone to write a 2 cents application that send mouse events based on a list of coordinates... wow... should take at least 1/2 day to code... for only $13 (plus however much more spam or nefarious mailing list you end up on after that)...