A different elemental spec (How to break 5k dps in raids)

[Dominian]

I laughed pretty hard and havent tested it but aparently this is the way to go..

There is an elemental shaman who broke 5k dps with this spec on patchwerk i belive..

I will test it out when i come home but apparently the basic is:

Dualwield means = Double Flametoung!!! = Double spell damage enchants
The talent that converts 30% of AP into spelldamage = Blessing of Wisdom should be 100-130 SP if specced? = Base ap with strenght of earth should be 50 or something?

We have to sac our shields, the range of flameshock and thunderstorm but i seriously lack spelldamage!

Its ment for Raids but we can supply 3 or 4 mana totems and the fights are normaly short anyway.

Here is the post as hes way better to explain then me! WTB Dual specs NOW! :/

http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=6986761152&sid=1&pageNo=1

[emesis]

I laughed pretty hard and havent tested it but aparently this is the way to go..

There is an elemental shaman who broke 5k dps with this spec on patchwerk i belive..

I will test it out when i come home but apparently the basic is:

Dualwield means = Double Flametoung!!! = Double spell damage enchants
The talent that converts 30% of AP into spelldamage = Blessing of Wisdom should be 100-130 SP if specced? = Base ap with strenght of earth should be 50 or something?

We have to sac our shields, the range of flameshock and thunderstorm but i seriously lack spelldamage!

Its ment for Raids but we can supply 3 or 4 mana totems and the fights are normaly short anyway.

Here is the post as hes way better to explain then me! WTB Dual specs NOW! :/

http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=6986761152&sid=1&pageNo=1

Dual-wielding flamtongue as an ele shammy is something I seriously considered a ways back. However, there are really _no_ weapons in the game with spell power for an off-hand. All the SP weapons are main hand. So, you would just get the single flametongue bonus - it really didn't seem worth it to me. Interesting to hear someone has apparently had success with it.

[ss2]

I tried it for a few minutes vs a target dummy and my shaman with that spec did around 400 damage more than my regular elemental shaman(needed for totem of wrath) with similar gear
with flametongue glyph and double flametongue weapon you also get 4% to crit rather than 2%


I'll try it later in a heroic and see how it turns out..

[Xar]

Why did you write 5k DPS when the post clearly sasy 4k+ dps, then later lists 4.7k?Rounding? ;)

[Dorffo]

Why did you write 5k DPS when the post clearly sasy 4k+ dps, then later lists 4.7k?he edited again:


last update:
http://wowwebstats.com/3riysxah3qmfi?s=268557-319085
5124 dps on loatheb

[reman]

Question is: do you have to melee boss with Stomstrike to get that DPS, or we could just sit there and nuke

[Ualaa]

There is a thread on the US shaman forum supporting this build.
In addition there are a few posts by Aether on the Elemental Shaman thread on the Elitist Jerks site.
As of now, depending upon your gear level, it could be the most optimal build for some.
In the near future, with the elemental scaling changes, this will likely not be true.

The closest we get to a caster offhand is a dagger with critical & hit ratings on it - no actual spell power.
Spell damage off-hand weapons were specifically removed because of this build in beta.
Back in the beta, the 30% of AP becomes SP talent was a few tiers higher and would allow an extra 10 pts into Elemental, making the build more viable.

According to testing done with this build, Stormstrike is a net dps loss.
The build lacks a lot of melee stats such as Expertise; Stormstrike costs you a Lightning Bolt cast and gets you almost no damage itself.
The next few LB's hit a lot harder for a net damage loss compared to straight LB spam without any Stormstrike.

The main strength of the build is raid synergy for the shaman.
Almost every stat (and thus raid buff) will increase your spell power.
Strength, Agility, Intellect, Attack Power, Haste, Crit etc.
You yourself would not provide the raid with Totem of Wrath; but most raids will have two shaman's and you could easily include an Elemental with this build.
Between the two, you'd provide the raid with all non-resto specific totems and two Bloodlust/Heroism applications.

[Lyonheart]

so will this spec help multiboxing or no? ( 5mans )

[Dominian]

so will this spec help multiboxing or no? ( 5mans )

My opinion is no since you lose your shields but the overall damage gets alot higher, but if your one shoted already i guess it wont make it worse. :P

[magwo]

As I understand it, this is purely a raid dps spec, meaning:
* It's got mana issues in 5-man heroics where you don't have mp5 buffs from other classes. I would assume you will need to drink a lot in heroics, and some bosses might even be much harder. Personally I find that Thunderstorm mana "cashback" is a life saver on long boss fights.
* It's crap for pvp.

[ballduran]

I will try to use this spec on 2 of my shamans. One resto and one is full elemental, so I get the elemental totem and have one whit shield so I can use to tank (FS for agro). Then I will try to farm elites and see how mush exp/h I get on my 3 shamans that are level 77, last one is 80 and wil bee oog.

[ss2]

I'll try it later in a heroic and see how it turns out..With blessing of might, strength of earth and totem of wrath my shaman with that spec made it to ~3050 spell power
and then with 3 mana springs plus wisdom on whatever target he had no mana problems

he gained a few hundred dps vs a single target, but he has to be closer to that target plus no thunderstorm and a longer chain lightning cooldown

[puppychow]

holy crap 3k spell damage?? Whats a weapon you guys are using in the OH with high crit/int? I think this may be a fun way to race in heroics, if you can up DPS by 20% or more with a tank+4 shaman team it may be interesting.

[Niley]

with that spec, on a sath with 3 drakes, pretty long attempt, i did this, now bare in mind that this fight involves a lot of movement
Also I havent done any aoe whatsoever, as opposed to ppl that have higher dps then me.:
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/9167/wowscrnshot120708213806zq2.jpg

and those are my stats, no actual in fight stats(ie my trinket is not stacked at all), Im close to 4k when we engage
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/8233/wowscrnshot120708210728lk4.jpg:

[Schwarz]

How much dps increase you are seeing? As soon as they release the new talents that increase our lightning bolts/lava burst our dps is going up at least ~10%. Pretty interesting that 2 flametongue weapons helps out that much. I gotta think that blizzard will have something to say with this if the best elemental spec is actually enchancement.

[reman]

using this spec, I am seeing 400 dps increase. My hit is not capped. So the 400 dps increase is on level 80 mobs. In raids, I see 200-300 dps increase on ?? boss. This is with me having only 1100 spell power (from gear, not using this spec). This spec definitely scales better with gears. Unless they nerf this spec (mainly dual flametongue), even with the upcoming elemental talent change, I could still see this spec performing better in raids.

You are receiving spell power buff from nearly all sources. i.e. intellect, strength, attack power, agility.

[Ualaa]

This is a raid spec, not a solo/5-man spec.
You end up with most raid buffs increasing your spell damage.
The more stat buffs you have, the better the build is.
Almost every raid buff increases your spell power.
Str/Agi raises attack power, you get a percentage of your Int and AP as spell damage.

In a 5x shaman group, you won't have AI, MotW, Kings, Battle Shout, Might etc.
It's probably not the best build for non-raids, because of the lack of buffs.
Try it out, if you want.

[Dominian]

This is a raid spec, not a solo/5-man spec.
You end up with most raid buffs increasing your spell damage.
The more stat buffs you have, the better the build is.
Almost every raid buff increases your spell power.
Str/Agi raises attack power, you get a percentage of your Int and AP as spell damage.

In a 5x shaman group, you won't have AI, MotW, Kings, Battle Shout, Might etc.
It's probably not the best build for non-raids, because of the lack of buffs.
Try it out, if you want.

Im sorry that i didnt state in the first post that this is a dead spec for a 5 man shaman team..

However for a Paladin+4 shaman team the dps should go up quite abit.

1 shaman will stay the original full elemental spec for elemental oath and totem of wrath while 3 shamans hybrid...

With the new dual spec comming i can have them all specced for pvp aswell while i have one resto to heal in my RL friend 3vs3 while i got retadin on my paladin! AWSOME :D Unless they nerf it wich they most likley will! :)

[Kicksome]

I'm using this spec in a pally, 3 shaman, 1 moonkin setup. It's really nice. I keep it simple and spam lightning bolt and do 2.7k dps. It's FAR better than my old spec - even with no totem of wrath. I think I'm up by at least 500dps, and that's with just lightning bolt spam - which is a lot easier than a castsequence of flame shock, lava burst etc...

[Ellay]

Giving this a shot for raiding. Giving a breath of fresh air for Ele DPS is quite nice.
On a lvl 80 training dummy just messing around I did about 2250 DPS with the usual spec, 2850 ish with the new spec. I still need to actually skill up weapon skills and it should be a lot higher. With raid buffs the DPS would easily sky rocket.

[Kaynin]

I'll wait for the new patch and elemental fixes myself.

No way I'm speccing some weird hybrid just so I can dps as elemental! :P

With the new elemental changes, the elemental tree becomes more interesting again, imo.

[Niley]

Ill get naxx wws tomorrow, most I did was 4870 on sarth, but usually I was anywhere between 3800-4200, depending how waves went.

edit. This is with 3 drakes up.

[Multibocks]

is that 4870 with this weird spec or traditional ele spec?

[Ellay]

The spec may be weird but your not changing any of your gear for it and the spell rotations are exactly the same.
The only piece your adding is an offhand weapon, besides that your max range is only 30 yards so your slightly closer.

[Kaynin]

True, but no thunderstorm? I couldn't possibly do the heroics I do without that, As well has it proven valuable in multiple 10 man boss encounters. 4x em+ts is a very big AoE!

Plus, I'm raiding with the more casual type of guild and usually 2-3 in the raid that kinda lack and have to be carried, so I am used to utilize more then just pure dps to beat encounters anyhow.

Right now, my dps is enough for all 10 man it seems, I usually top dps in my guild as elemental anyhow. And I expect the shaman changes like, the 17th. I don't think it's worth, at least not for me, to bother speccing and respeccing after every raid (times 3/4).

[Dominian]

True, but no thunderstorm? I couldn't possibly do the heroics I do without that, As well has it proven valuable in multiple 10 man boss encounters. 4x em+ts is a very big AoE!

Plus, I'm raiding with the more casual type of guild and usually 2-3 in the raid that kinda lack and have to be carried, so I am used to utilize more then just pure dps to beat encounters anyhow.

Right now, my dps is enough for all 10 man it seems, I usually top dps in my guild as elemental anyhow. And I expect the shaman changes like, the 17th. I don't think it's worth, at least not for me, to bother speccing and respeccing after every raid (times 3/4).

From what i read in the post they will have to run it on the PTR first and theyr not even up yet..

"These changes will be available in the next minor content update, so keep an eye out for the next PTR push."

Were talking about weeks here if PTR is the case...

http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=6986800532&sid=1
http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=6986809806&sid=1

[puppychow]

Yeah I doubt we are going to see any new patch this year, mid Jan probably.

So with 33/28 do you just do lightning bolt spam? Its not worth doing flame shock/lava burst? Do you have to run in ever and do a melee attack to proc anything?

Has anyone found a good rep-based offhand to use? Librarian's cutter or whatever sells for 400g+ on the auction house :( I'll start farming it in HoL, but I think i'd rather find something cheap and sell any that drop for me. You just need a off-hand weapon with crit/int/str/haste, right? Weapon speed doesn't matter?

[Kaynin]

That's silly, acknowledging elemental needs a polish but not putting the change through before season 5?

I kinda expected the change by then, solely because of this. It's not a big change to make! :P

Still, I'm refusing to give up utility, for higher possible dps that I don't actually need anywhere anyhow. Only Malygos left (done a few tries, we got close to phase three, but phase two was taking too long. :< ), I don't do 25 mans, want to keep it somewhat 'casual'. 10 is enough for me, might eventually pug 25 mans but not yet. Ie. I'll stick with deep elemental, which is and still remains much better all round. As opposed to a spec focused around one, very boring, cast sequence. :p

[Ellay]

This is the spec I will be trying out today.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=hEh0qzzLxZ0xgcoxzAckhbo (extra note on this spec, 1 shaman will need strength of earth spec, another will need windfury totem spec)
I may need the chance to hit, I'm going to try it out on test dummies and see the difference. The 4th Shaman will incorporate the normal Elemental build to have Elemental Oath and Totem of Wrath.

This method gives 4 charges on Stormstrike making it possibly worthwhile to use a cooldown on and Shamanistic rage because I read they have mana issues.

[Dominian]

This is the spec I will be trying out today.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=hEh0qzzLxZ0xgcoxzAckhbo
I may need the chance to hit, I'm going to try it out on test dummies and see the difference. The 4th Shaman will incorporate the normal Elemental build to have Elemental Oath and Totem of Wrath.

This method gives 4 charges on Stormstrike making it possibly worthwhile to use a cooldown on and Shamanistic rage because I read they have mana issues.

According to that post using stormstrike will only lower the dps rather then just spamming LB's.

this is his rotation:

rotation is the normal elemental one:
FS + LvB + LB + LB + LB + CL + LvB -> repeat

I will certainly go for the hit but remember that stormstrike charges can only be used by you and not other nature casters.

[Dominian]

FS + LvB + LB + LB + LB + CL + LvB -> repeat


The cooldown on the 2nd LvB will not be up by the time you get to the 1st LvB in the rotation. The rotation will be stuck waiting.

Sorry i wasnt clear on that i was quoting him and yes your totaly right that with a rotation like that it will get stuck. (even thought it wasnt ment as a macro, but i didnt state that so im sorry once again)

I need to learn and read what people write but i find it weird that no one commented it.

The spec will lack thunderstorm but here is his answer on going meele with improved stormstrike:

"well im not biting it, ive tried yours and i can say that every time that u storm strike im losing like 50^100 dps.

losing the ability of regenerating mana with unrelenting storm, is obviously a bad choice.
why u ask? well
u gotta melee the boss for mana return with that spec, and that clearly a HUGE dps loss on those 15 secs of autoattacking + SSing.

My spec rotation will feel like a elemental, because its elemental only, though with shorter range then the usual.

AOEing is not too shabby at all with this spec, magma ticking for 850 normal ticks :D
And i can say ive seem searing totem critting for 1200 dmg lol. "



Btw do anyone know what happens if i buff my wepons with flametoung and drop a WF totem?

I dont want to proc but do anyone know if i get the WF AP bonus?

Im at work and im not able to test anything from here! :(

[Ellay]

Windfury Totem is a flat Haste amount, so you'd be gaining 16% haste or 20% haste talented.

I just tried out the Stormstrike build and hated it, being close is bad for 2 things, first there is a noticable loss in DPS that was mentioned before and second your so close your pulling aggro non stop because your in melee range.
I'll be switching my spec back to what they had with a few variations.

[Niley]

the only difference between this spec and deep elemental is lack of ToW, and thunderstorm, which i almost never used, never had mana issues, and knockback is bad, unless your tank sucks and cant hold agro. The dps gain is quite a bit mor ethen ToW can bring to raid.
My raid starts in 3 or so hours, after Im done Ill post wws for whole night, and we'll see if its really worth it :)

[Ellay]

I've tested it for the day and I'm staying with this hybrid spec for PvE. The DPS increase is very noticable, the biggest gain is during Bosses - it was kind of crazy I had to tone down my aggro because it was so high.

[Multibocks]

FS + LvB + LB + LB + LB + CL + LvB -> repeat


The cooldown on the 2nd LvB will not be up by the time you get to the 1st LvB in the rotation. The rotation will be stuck waiting.

Hmm thought it was obvious that you would supply LB LB LB CL anytime LvB is on cooldown and refresh FS as necessary. Unfortunately it doesnt make a good castsequence and that is why I just stuck to doing the sequence manually.

[Niley]

I've tested it for the day and I'm staying with this hybrid spec for PvE. The DPS increase is very noticable, the biggest gain is during Bosses - it was kind of crazy I had to tone down my aggro because it was so high.

yup. Ive just hit 5k dps on faerlina...


edit, here it is, hybrid enh spec
http://wowwebstats.com/wa3z5rrswl1c3

4h dps is low because we did the achievement.

[Dominian]

So i came home last night after work and respeced 3 shamans this hybrid spec:

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/shaman/talents.html?tal=550000151321235000000000305250331 002213003113000000000000000000000000000000000

I went full resto on one shaman and i got down trollgore wichout much hassle compared to when i tried with 1 paladin and 4 ele shamans!! The dps felt the same as i had with 4 shamans!!

I still belive its fully possible to do most encounters with 1 paladin and 4 ele shamans but respecing one resto makes things SO much easier!

Not to speak of how useful mana tide totem is in long fights!

[Multibocks]

Hmm what am I doing wrong? I have 1400ish spell power on my shaman before any buffs... with Flametonguex2, Strength of Earth, Might buff I manage to hit 2400 spell power. Does this sound right? I see so many on here claiming 3k+ Im just wondering what I'm doing wrong.

[Ellay]

Yes that sounds about accurate, your spell power goes crazy when your raid buffed, because all the attack power from hunters / paladins gives you spell power.

[Ualaa]

The other thing to consider, most of us are geared as if we're Elemental.
Elemental gear is a balance of spell power, intellect, stamina, spirit, critical, hit and haste.

With this build, you'll want to stack Strength, Agility, Attack Power, Spell Power, Intellect, Crit/Hit/Haste.
Everything else is secondary.

[Ellay]

Anyone have or do the math on the conversion rates of Str / Agility to Attack Power and such, so I can find out how much each one gives to spell power.

[Alemi]

That's silly, acknowledging elemental needs a polish but not putting the change through before season 5?

I kinda expected the change by then, solely because of this. It's not a big change to make! :P

Still, I'm refusing to give up utility, for higher possible dps that I don't actually need anywhere anyhow. Only Malygos left (done a few tries, we got close to phase three, but phase two was taking too long. :< ), I don't do 25 mans, want to keep it somewhat 'casual'. 10 is enough for me, might eventually pug 25 mans but not yet. Ie. I'll stick with deep elemental, which is and still remains much better all round. As opposed to a spec focused around one, very boring, cast sequence. :pIt's beyond silly to announce the talent changes and then not push to PTR faster, and additionally, they acknowledged today that elemental dps even WITH these talent changes is still too low. I was under the impression that you were, that they'd go live with the PvP changes, but it looks like they're pushing all the ele changes to PTR with the hunter, mage, and dk changes as well. So we likely won't see it till the new year.

Oh, an Aelli, it's 1 ap per pt. of Str/Agi. 1 ap per int too with Mental Dexterity

[Ualaa]

Looking at talents...
- 3/3 Mental Dexterity makes 1 Int = 1 AP.
- 3/3 Mental Quickness gives you 30% of Attack Power as Spell Power.

1 Str = 1 AP = 0.30 Spell Power
1 Agi = 1 AP = 0.30 Spell Power
1 Int = 1 AP = 0.30 Spell Power

[Ellay]

Ah I thought our conversion rates were more complex than 1:1 :P

[Kaynin]

It used to be 1 str 2 ap, but that changed not that long ago. :P

Which kinda totally screwed over my strength built solo enhancement shaman. :/



Anyhow, funny thing happened, one member of my guild went drama about me, and is now being a childish jerk to me. During the raid after gm calmed things down, he kept posting the top three dps whenever I was just four. But stopped when I gained up to place 3 again. (Mage did 2400 dps, rogue(person in question) 2100 dps as well as a retridin and I did 2000-2100. (overall, I had peaks of 2800 on some bosses.)

I'm thinking of respeccing to this dps spec for next raid just to blow him away tbh. For one, just about all our dps'ers aren't really 'that good'. The mage is good but he doesnt have a good raid dps spec. Rogue and paladin are numbnuts. :P

I should 'technically' be far ebhind them, as they arlready outgear me, not having been that lucky on loot myself. Only got some on one shaman, other three still in blues. Still I surpass them on some bosses, and all the while often helping out healing a bit too when I see a healer getting prevented from healing and a tank or raid member getting low, etc.

Oh well, was fun while it lasted, raiding with all chars. Now they demanded we raid only when they are all available, and not when I have enough chars available to raid (All the while they do pug Archavon and Sartharion without the rest of the guild whenever it suits them, gogo double standards.). And since they are only available 2 nights a week, I don't think I'll be doing much raids the coming time. :P Considering transfering again, some people on another server I know who would be veyr willing to do ten man, with all four of me present. ^^

All I want is fun and casual raiding, no obligations and no childish whiners. It's not that easy to find in WoW. :<

[Alemi]

Oh well, was fun while it lasted, raiding with all chars. Now they demanded we raid only when they are all available, and not when I have enough chars available to raid (All the while they do pug Archavon and Sartharion without the rest of the guild whenever it suits them, gogo double standards.). And since they are only available 2 nights a week, I don't think I'll be doing much raids the coming time. :P Considering transfering again, some people on another server I know who would be veyr willing to do ten man, with all four of me present. ^^

All I want is fun and casual raiding, no obligations and no childish whiners. It's not that easy to find in WoW. :<Good luck :) My guild core is a very tight knit group of people, it's just having to educate the new people as they come in that I'm not here to fill their raid. "Hey we need 3 shaggs." "Oh look, xxx just logged in, drop a shagg" Doesn't fly with me. I made that clear at the start. And I have a 10 man group that would rather run with me than anyone else, so, I wish you the best of luck in finding something close.

I'm trying this spec for fun, and downloading the PTR patch as we speak so I can see how the changes equate. They may make this go live soon, since PTR is still missing mage and dk changes. Who knows with Blizzard.

[Ellay]

This spec is done for. With the recent changes it looks like they didn't like us going in this direction.

Mental Quickness: Reduced the mana cost of instant cast Shaman spells by 2/4/6% and increases spell power by an amount equal to 23/46/70% of your agility. But the good news is that last night they acknowledged the Elemental DPS issue and are looking into it more.


We have looked at the issue some more and do have concerns that even after these changes that Elemental shaman damage will be too low.

I'll address the problem again when we have an idea for how we're going to fix it, but this is a "soon" fix not a "distant future" fix.

[Fat Tire]

We have looked at the issue some more and do have concerns that even after these changes that Elemental shaman damage will be too low.

I'll address the problem again when we have an idea for how we're going to fix it, but this is a "soon" fix not a "distant future" fix. I have looked at blue tracker and on the forums and I cant find this quote. Would you mind linking where you got this info please? Thanks.

[Multibocks]

thank god, I really didnt like this spec as it didnt feel "elemental". Fantastic dps, don't know why I couldnt get over not going deep elemental.

[Alemi]

I have looked at blue tracker and on the forums and I cant find this quote. Would you mind linking where you got this info please? Thanks.
Look harder. :)

It's in the main elemental shaman concern thread under damage dealing classes.

http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/13275619397-gc--please-answer-elemental-shaman-concerns.html

[Kaynin]

So to prevent it becoming more viable then the elemental tree for elemental playstyle, they nerf the enhancement tree talents?

Am I the only one seeing the fault in this approach? :P

[Zzc2]

Bottom line: Mental Quickness will still convert attack power to spell power. looks like Mental Quickness will still have its original increase from AP

http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/13393781372-why-the-change-to-mental-quickness.html

[Multibocks]

Ya but if you read more closely they are swapping Mental Quickness with Static Shock which moves it out of elemental shaman range, oh well.

[Kaynin]

Well, it's not entirely out of range then, we would just give up 0.2 casting reduction on Lightning Bolt and Chain Lightning, which will lower the dps, but not as significatnly as the spec increases the dps. (Once the patch is live.)

That said though, we'll have to wait and see how the new elemental talent tree changes pan out dps wise. I imagine both spec choices might wield very little difference, and the utility in deep elemental (Thunderstorm) as well as Lava burst will become interesting again.

[Vainte]

GC just posted on possible new elemental


Hopefully this won't get buried here.

Here is what we are thinking about to try on the PTR for Elemental:

Elemental Oath -- In addition to existing effects, now increases spell damage done by the Shaman by 5/10% while Elemental Focus Clearcasting is active.

Elemental Mastery -- Overhauled. Now increases the Shaman’s critical strike chance by 20% for 30 seconds. Cooldown remains 3 minutes. We recognize this might be a slight nerf in certain PvP situations where players relied on the shaman to nuke an injured person to death. Still, I'm betting most shamans will prefer the new design.

Glyph of Lightning Bolt -- No longer affects cost. Now increases damage by 4%.

[Dominian]

The new EM will make things ALOT harder for EM shamans wich already is a hopeless class for the arena in manny ways.. Theyr building this build fully on pve now so i guess theyr ruling it out of pvp.

Thunderstorm doesnt help much on a singel shaman we know that since.

Death grip is on a shorter cooldown.
Intercept is a shorter cooldown
Shadowstep is on a shorter cooldown or they will just blow sprint,clos to break the kite.

This is just my stupid thinking but:

20% increased critt with 2 second LB's = 1 critt each 10th second right?
30 seconds = 3 critts

Well with the old EM we had 1 critt no matter what.

So now were sitting with 2 extra critts wich would be the same as 1 extra lightning bolt over 30 seconds?

Im sorry im most likey wrong on this since i know people manage to convert critt into flat numbers.

[Vainte]

Hrm the best way is to actually run the numbers, but just thinking about it.

Assuming say a 30% base crit. Old way = 70% increase on 1 spell, new way 20% increase on 15 spells upto maybe 20 with bloodlust etc.

New way should be much better for pve.

[Trammel]

he edited again:




last update:
http://wowwebstats.com/3riysxah3qmfi?s=268557-319085
5124 dps on loatheb Loatheb has a 50% crit buff....

[Niley]

on patchwerk 4705 dps according to recount, as usuall it will be higher on wws
http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot121708213755wi4.jpg

http://wowwebstats.com/nar3ltgl62yms?s=76275-109301

[Anastasiya]

I also tryed this spec for a raid on my Shaman. Now it is fun to ramp your spell power up through this build and it is a DPS increase right now in shorter fights. When it came to a long fight like 4 horsemen, or Grobuls the faluts in this spec really start to show. There are large mana issues when you have to DPS on long fights, and 0 Mana = 0 DPS. There is also a Large advantage to the increase Range you get from Deep Elemental right now if you have to move or don't want to get Cleaved from some nasty Drake. :)

Providing the Buffs to Elemental go Live as they are on PTR we will see a HUGE increase from Deep Elemental as well as some better scaleing. It is yet to be seen if it will over do the crazy Enhance spec but you will get alot more utility from the Deep elemental talents

[Kaynin]

Aye, I spec'd this for fun one three of my shamans. Problem in the raid was. No paladin, no warrior, just about nothing to boost my ap or spellpower in the raid!

Selfbuffed without potential raid buffs makes this spec have lower dps then my elemental spec. I was 2000 overall dps in this spec and 2400 overall in an elemental spec. So I specced back to elemental straight away. :P