The End

[Hatred]

So I finished the huge grind of leveling my 5 Shaman to 80. I was starting to gear them up but I have hit my end. My frustrations have gotten the best of me. Some of the content seems to /slap multiboxers in the face. When you change zones the followers fall off, Wintergrasp or any other vehicles are a pain in the ass and every class and boss has some type of AOE. After putting in all the work to get my guys finished off I have had my fill. I transferred all my toons to 1 account and canceled the subscriptions on my other four accounts. Are others feeling the same way I am about this new content or did I just get overly sensitive about it? Either way I have had my fill with the changes.

I had a great time boxing and to be honest this community is truely amazing. The people here are unlike anywhere else I have been online. YOU people take the time to help others without flaming them. You are kind, helpful and just all around good people. Granted I did not post much in the 6 or so months I five boxed but I was here reading on a daily basis. Keep up the good work that you are doing here on the site and continue keeping the assholes away.

To finish this off I just want to truely thank ALL of you for the help you have given me in my adventure of multiboxing. You may not have directly talked to me but your forum posts helped me in one way or another. Maybe I'll come back to boxing, maybe I wont but either way the people on this site made learning to box a true pleasure. Keep up the good work helping the new people that come along. What you have here is truely special. Thanks again!

[PyrostasisTDK]

Forgive my ignorance, but whats the purpose of transferring the toons?

[algol]

When you change zones the followers fall off
Jamba can fix that. Just, you know, for anyone else who has that problem.

[Ken]

When you change zones the followers fall off
Jamba can fix that. Just, you know, for anyone else who has that problem.

I doubt that it can re-establish follow automatically while on 280% movement speed (flying mount).


[edit] But anyway, I'm a bit bored by the eternal grind too.

[Harem]

Everyone has a line. If these were the conditions I had to agree to when I started multiboxing I'm sure it wouldn't have been a problem. It HAS gotten worse for us and because we've known something better it is a little hard to take.

Right now, for me, there are so many quests chains that require collections to get through I have become very frustrated myself. That and the fact that, so far, it seems like there is little love for elemental shaman - so many of the initial quest rewards give tons of extra int or mp5 but require me to give up spell power that it makes me mad. I'm sure it will all work out over the next several levels.

When I begin to feel the overwhelm I switch to my rogue, level a bit, gank horde a bit and change what the game will be about for me. Then I'm able to come back and continue the grind.

A day off every now and then too helps. (sounds like work doesn't it?)

[elsegundo]

Forgive my ignorance, but whats the purpose of transferring the toons?Its so you can stay subscribed to one account and play any of the 5 at your leisure. $15/month instead of $75/month makes more sense for those who do not want to box anymore.

[Hatred]

Forgive my ignorance, but whats the purpose of transferring the toons?

I account tranferred them so I could continue to use them. I can spec 1 Resto, 1 Enchance and 1 Elemental. Not to mention the professions I can have on each of them. If i was just to cancel the 4 accounts then I would have basically lost access to the toons totally. Why lose them when I can put them to good use?

Edit: It's only $100.00 to transfer all 4 onto 1 account. I was paying almost that much a month to box anyway.

[Hatred]

When you change zones the followers fall off
Jamba can fix that. Just, you know, for anyone else who has that problem.I dont believe it can. I am no computer expert but I read that something was changed with wow so zones somewhat change based on certain quests. That being the case, it appears that when you change zones your toons kind of "fade away" as they cross into an area. Some will go through into the new zone and some wont, causing you to have to move them 1 by 1 into the new zone. If you happen to catch the corner of a zone you end up having your slaves fall off follow over and over until you are fully into a zone. My problem wasn't my toons just falling off in random places, thats easy to keep an eye on. You will see what I am talking about eventually.

[jettzypher]

that only happens if they all havent done the same quests...otherwise, you shouldnt have any issues with phasing.

[Hatred]

that only happens if they all havent done the same quests...otherwise, you shouldnt have any issues with phasing.Actually this isn't true. I did EVERY quest on each toon. Even the horrible collection quests, and they still fell off.

[Mosg2]

Once you play with it for 20 minutes, you'll find all the zone lines and know when you have to manually move the alts forward.

I'm DK+4 shaman right now and I'm makin' about 25 badges a day on each toon minimum. You just skip the bosses that're bitches.

[Velassra]

Idk, the more I read it sounds more of a bother to upgrade to WoTLK rather than just stay w/ TBC. PvE server I compete w/ no one but myself and I never did a heroic even on a single toon and I never saw the sso area so sounds like I got months of entertainement I havent even seen yet. As long as all the old badge gear is still there, I may actually just stay w/ TBC myself and avoid the hassles.

Personally, just my opinion but I wouldn't put it past Blizzard to do a bait and switch....RAF, then stick it to multiboxers. They cave into the whiners in almost everything else.

[Knytestorme]

Breaking follow isn't just an issue in LK or with phasing. I don't know if anyone else has noticed it, but in Stormwind mage trainer area there is a big portal type thing at the top of the tower before you go in to the trainers (and have to come back out through it if you get portal to stormwind)...this always breaks follow for me going in or out :)



As for the issue of breaking follow that phasing causes, this is why we all have a second set of movement keys (usually the arrows) that we don't blacklist isn't it? The only place I can see the vehicle issue becoming annoying, outside of Wintergrasp, is if you get a bunch of Hogs for your group (or a mammoth + other mounts) or when trying to box Occulus (which I don't see ever being boxable unless they change vehicle to behave like mounts wrt follow)

[Vyndree]

To each their own, and I wish you luck in your future endeavours.

Personally, citing (even amidst other issues) "all classes have AoE now" is a pretty sad thing. Why shouldn't they all have AoE abilities? WE have AoE abilities now too. We can't have things easy -- things shouldn't just fall over as soon as we approach. Personally, I like new challenges like these, and I like learning how to deal with DKs and their new abilities.

As for the zoning issue -- I've only run across it a couple times, but I already have the habit of mashing my "follow" key whenever I'm travelling. Knyte is right, too -- both the portals in SW and Darnassus (from inner Darn to the boats/flightmaster) are both considered "zoning" of sorts and will break follow. Still, getting used to bumping the "follow" key periodically is a good habit -- have you ever gotten a rogue who was really good at distracts?

Vehicles? Annoying, but certainly not necessary. The fact that I can usually /follow on my alts and do the quest on my main mitigates things -- I admit, though, I haven't done Wintergrasp yet.

In any case, it's your personal decision and while I might not share your thoughts, I certainly respect them and wish you the best :)

[Ellay]

The instances require more of a standard holy trinity setup of Tank / Healer / DPS. So 4 Shamans + Tank works well since the Shamans fit both DPS and healing. Being able to brute force mobs doesn't work anymore, unless at some point the gear your wearing extremely outweighs the content your doing. Additionally Earth Elementals did not scale to 80, they are still stuck in lvl 70 hp/armor land.

Before you made that switch, I would have suggested either dropping down to 4 Shamans and enjoying the content with a tank, or switching the 5th member to a tank.
Also you can ride the Siege vehicle in Wintergrasp which holds 4 people, it's pretty awesome for multiboxing since your players take no damage until the vehicle is destroyed, then just go to town :)

[TheBigBB]

So I finished the huge grind of leveling my 5 Shaman to 80. I was starting to gear them up but I have hit my end. My frustrations have gotten the best of me. Some of the content seems to /slap multiboxers in the face. When you change zones the followers fall off, Wintergrasp or any other vehicles are a pain in the ass and every class and boss has some type of AOE. After putting in all the work to get my guys finished off I have had my fill. I transferred all my toons to 1 account and canceled the subscriptions on my other four accounts. Are others feeling the same way I am about this new content or did I just get overly sensitive about it? Either way I have had my fill with the changes.

I had a great time boxing and to be honest this community is truely amazing. The people here are unlike anywhere else I have been online. YOU people take the time to help others without flaming them. You are kind, helpful and just all around good people. Granted I did not post much in the 6 or so months I five boxed but I was here reading on a daily basis. Keep up the good work that you are doing here on the site and continue keeping the assholes away.

To finish this off I just want to truely thank ALL of you for the help you have given me in my adventure of multiboxing. You may not have directly talked to me but your forum posts helped me in one way or another. Maybe I'll come back to boxing, maybe I wont but either way the people on this site made learning to box a true pleasure. Keep up the good work helping the new people that come along. What you have here is truely special. Thanks again!

You are just not enjoying the game for whatever reason, but it's certainly not the game's fault. There has always been content that's more difficult for multiboxers to do. There have always been a lot of collection quests that multiboxers avoid. The solution to the phasing is extremely simple and doesn't affect anything but a slight lengthening of manual travel times.

[jettzypher]

Actually this isn't true. I did EVERY quest on each toon. Even the horrible collection quests, and they still fell offwell, despite the issues youre having, thats how it works...why you all have issues is beyond me. hardly a reason to be pissed at the game. gotta realize that even though MB is do-able, the game isnt meant to be played as such. so they wont take time to find those issues that only mb'ers run into and fix em.

[Malekyth]

heh, yeah, multiboxing is as much a trick of avoiding inappropriate content as anything. I think WotLK hammers that home with a big, big hammer though, so am not surprised at someone measuring how worth the trouble multiboxing is compared to the payoff, and declining. I can imagine myself making the same judgement, if I weren't also silly for re-rolling every fourteen and a half minutes anyway. That reminds me, I still haven't tried RFK with a fury Warrior, two arcane mages, a shadow priest, and a resto shaman! Be right back!

[Niley]

Im actually pretty bored with content already, everything raid wise cleared in first week, all heroics but one boxed...Im not a big fan of pvp. I might just go back to single account too and less playtime.

[Coltimar]

I'm kind of struggling too, but I see Fuzzyboy post a video every day of new stuff he has whopped and i know that I can do all he can if I stick with it. It just may take me longer is all.

Best of luck to you.

[mmcookies]

should've taken it eajy :p

[jettzypher]

if you rush through everything and continuously try to overachieve with every login, then yes, its gonna get boring quick. some people need to learn to spread things out a bit. besides, we're only at about 50% of total content for wrath. so relax, enjoy farming dailies, rep, mats, and badges until newer stuff comes out.

[Sam DeathWalker]

One thing that is 100pecent certain; they didnt do anything on purpose to make it harder to box, someone came up with this phasing stuffs (whatever it is) and they thought it would be a positive addition.

I can see for sure that I am having less and less plans to do any quests. I just need to find some good aoe spots.

Also its been obvious since before I even played the game that you need a tank ...

Just think about it. If you could do challenging content without a tank then who would ever invite a tank class into a guild or group. So they have to make content that requires tanks ... We are very lucky that there is a healing class that does decent dps, you dont get that in EQ.

[Tdog]

1. Everyone and their brother is in some pretty crappy gear at this point as it's just barely the begining of the Xpac.

2. Multiboxing takes Paitence. It takes time to get your group all geared up, macros/scripts/keybindings setup, and experience to know how to handle your followers.

3. Jumping straight into Heroics the moment you hit 80 in nothing more than quest greens/blues is a bad idea whether you're boxing or not.

4. Multiboxing IS NOT for everyone! and there is nothing wrong with that. TBH there's been several times I thought about just saying forget it, especially when I'm frustrated by content. However I just keep a positive attitude, practice my encounters more, gear up more if necessary, and eventually I make progression.

[pinotnoir]

Just a note about the follow breaking. Mashing follow constanly will not keep them together. Once they past the phase line your main vanishes and only reappears when you move your followers into his phase. Otherwise you can mash follow all day. You will get unknown unit as an error on your screen. I feel your pain with the content and the phasing. Trying to get in raids as a boxer is tough. You either have to do a tank 3 dps and healer or just bring 3 guys at a time. Right now I am gearing up pve but I fear arena is going to be a joke for us. With all the new skills in the game it's going to be very hard to get high ratings without some form of cheating.

I think multiboxings golden age is over with BC. Once you start getting gripped over for insta gib and then knocked all over boxers will be crying the blues. To make matters worse the new bg's use vehicles which makes our 5 man groups a pain in the butt. If you try to play like foot soldiers in the bg you get blown to hell by vehicles. Others can say what they want, but I think blizzard listen to all the bitching about us and designed some stuff to make boxing a pain in the ass. My biggest regret is not doing my pally with 4 shaman. People were saying oh 5 shaman are find in wotlk for instances. It's going to take a bunch of gear to clear heroics with 5 shaman. Bosses with 400k health that hit like a truck will not go down easy. Elementals are weak sauce.

I really dont look forward to leveling my other team now. I know all the collection quest will need to be done again. On top of the collections you must finish the quest chains to unlock towns, flight points, and daily quest. It's cool for solo but painful to us. It would be much better if they allowed collection drops group lootable when they drop. Having to do 1 at a time is really retarded for a mmorpg. If they want us to socialize and group for stuff why make it harder for us to quest. Its not like solos cant kill the mobs in 2 or 3 seconds too. Well enjoy your 1 account. The world of grind craft is wearing thin on me too.

[puppychow]

i am only 77 and don't feel like playing more than 1-2 hours a day anymore, spent most of the thanksgiving week just logging in, doing a quick few dalaran dailies (cooking, JC, etc) and logging out. I have no idea how people with multiple teams are ever going to level everyone to 80, or someone like Sam Deathwalker (lol!) Doing it just once in a 5x team is kinda painful and sometimes painful w/ the unlock/collection quests, I have logged in a few times on my mage and just run him solo and its a lot more fun and a heckuva lot faster.

having said that i think wotlk is a lot of fun, and they have really increased depth and breadth. some stuff is painful for mb'ers, but I hope they will fix a lot of it - more aimed at making things easier for regular people, like follow vehicles, collection quests dropping items for everyone in party, etc. but it'll be months if not years before that, so no love for us for now.

it is a bit frustrating seeing a ton of other people having cleared all raids, all heroics, 8/8 new t7 gear, etc but I just kinda learned to ignore it and plod along doing my own thing. I doubt PVP will be any fun for me at all, just gonna play until PVE is boring then cancel my subs until the next big patch/expansion.

[TheBigBB]

I get the feeling that a lot of people were very spoiled by BC - not necessarily because it was any easier - but because by the end they had nerfed it to hell and back, and because the shaman teams had some special mechanics that fit multiboxing. It's not like in BC you would just pick any 5 guys, slap them through the content, and then profit. You had to have a boxer friendly setup, which in BC basically meant that you had to have shamans. Other teams were still fun, but not able to dominate in all areas. Now the shaman teams are more even with the other teams, and suddenly this is the apocalypse. Now it takes a whole couple weeks to 80, and this is an unacceptable grind. Now you're not sure you can have a high rating playing with your old team, and this is the end of multiboxing. I seriously sat there last week leveling 3 new guys with the few RAF I have left just to replace a healer in my B-team. That's just the way it is. I'm not going to make excuses when my team hits 10 mans.

You guys need to be patient, and you need to have realistic goals. I'm 10 boxing to do raiding, but I'm not even expecting I will clear freaking Naxx before the next expansion. I'm just being realistic here. Boxing is not supposed to be easier. It's the same game designed for 5 or 10 or 25 individuals working together. You're kidding yourself if you thought you were ever somehow more useful than 5 solo players of equal skill level to you.

In 20 months maybe WOTLK content will be trivial and maybe it'll be nerfed like BC was. For now, we just got the game. Be patient and try to remember a time when Magtheridon was considered extremely difficult, and paladin tanks were considered strange.

As for PVP, it damn well ought to be a huge accomplishment to dominate teams of individuals by yourself.

[TheBigBB]

Just a note about the follow breaking. Mashing follow constanly will not keep them together. Once they past the phase line your main vanishes and only reappears when you move your followers into his phase.

You simply stop the main, hit forward arrow on the followers (please bind a key for them, it's always useful) then hit follow, and continue on. On my setup this is costing me about 5 seconds per time. Out of 5 zones I have quested in so far, I only had phasing occur in the fog in Borean Tundra, so unless all of Ice Crown is a giant phasing zone, I'm kind of lost about why this is affecting people so badly.

[bigp3rm]

You will be back.

[Ken]

[...]
You are just not enjoying the game for whatever reason, but it's certainly not the game's fault.
I know this wasn't directed to me, but it applies to me in a way, so:
WoW has always been a grind fest, you can't deny that. The best proof for me is that there are those few quests that stick out and give you the feeling of "Woah, this was great and funny!". I had this with the arena quests in Nagrand, with the big Maghar quest chain, the Netherwing quest chain, the one where you transform in a box and have to spy on a conversation, etc.
Most people don't even read the quest text nor follow the WoW storyline. That says a lot about how Blizzard fails at making the game really interesting.

So yes, I do think it's the game's fault. Or at least the designers' fault, becaue they have proven that they can deliver better.


There has always been content that's more difficult for multiboxers to do. There have always been a lot of collection quests that multiboxers avoid.
The problem is that most quests now are item collection quests(at least up to level 75, where I am now). Often it's not even a 100% drop chance. How boring is that? You don't even need gamedesigners for this ... give me a few hours and I'll write you an application that randomly generates thousands of those.


The solution to the phasing is extremely simple and doesn't affect anything but a slight lengthening of manual travel times.
Agreed.

[edit] Oh and I meant questing in general, not questing for multiboxers.

[Kyudo]

I was in major danger of starting to feel like this too, mainly due to over-anticipation of what Wrath would bring in the weeks/months running up to release (I guess I sort of pre-burned myself out).

So instead, after getting frustrated during the 1st week of release, I've chilled out, worked on alt teams, soloed with my pally, started a couple of new guys to twink at 69 (man RAF is overpowered). etc etc.

I'll get to 80 in the end, not really bothered about being 1st anymore, or even above the curve. I'll pick up some welfare epics when they roll along, learn the heroics at my own pace, get my professions up bit by bit.

I'm sort of enjoying this approach atm, but the kid in me still keeps whispering on my shoulder (min-devil style) "oi lazy, you're falling behind", but I do my best to ignore him, it's not a race, and I'm not answerable to anyone.

[moosejaw]

Regarding the OP's burn out. I was burned several months ago and when I came back I starting by playing alts first. It helps to have some "vacation" characters to play if you get fatigued on a boxing crew.

I plan to solo a character or 2 to 80 before I level my first team to 80. I really want to enjoy the expansion before I become a zombie leveler with a boxing crew. I have 10 70's and only 5 of them were leveled together. The others were leveled to 70 solo before leveling increases or RAF.

cheers.

[Frosty]

WoW has always been a grind fest, you can't deny that.
Coming from EQ, WoW is not a "mandatory" grind fest. It can be if you make it that way though.

That being said... It really irks me when people rush to the max level in a game and then complain there is nothing to do.
Go back and smell all the roses you missed in your mad dash to omg-I'm-the-first-uber-guy. I promise..you've missed something...

I, for one, think the phasing is an awesome addition to the game. The DK starting area alone was worth the price of the expansion for me.

And as someone mentioned before, this isn't the first time we've had to deal with follow breaking. The Mage tower in Stormwind was/is a perfect example.

[JonnyB]

I've been feeling somewhat the same. I was all psyched when I got Wrath installed, I did quite a few starting area quests to pick up a handful of gear that actually was an upgrade for my team (I was only about 4-6 weeks at 70 - still in probably a 50/50 mix of blues and greens).

I headed into both Utgarde and the Nexus with my 5 shaman and was losing 1 or 2 toons each pull just on trash. I swamped in my better geared resto shammy I played mostly solo, but that didn't help much. Then I swapped in my prot warrior and was at least able to take a few bosses down and later clear Utgarde. (Haven't gone back to Nexus yet). I've been mostly levelling my priest solo so I don't get left out when we start doing Naxx and the level 80 stuff as a guild. The group that has been working so far has been my Prot Warrior, 2 elemental shaman, shadow priest, and resto shaman.

My prot pally I had been levelling to tank is up to 63 now but I think I'm going to stick with the Warrior for now. The biggest thing for me has been dropping down to 1 or 2 toons to do runs with guildies. The quests just seem to keep getting better as I go through. (Priest almost 77 all my other toons are 71-72). I'm not in such a hurry to hit 80 on all my guys now. I had been intending to give the 10 man content a try but I've dropped down to 5 accounts for now until I have enough 80's.

Maybe I won't multibox as much but i'm definately not disappointed with Wrath overall. I give Blizzard 10 thumbs up. :)

[crippen]

Boxing is the only thing keeping me in wow atm, I got burned out and hated whole wotlk when leveling my main, got on my boxing team and its more fun.

Get a tank and enjoy doing instances instead of questing, and tbh, I have no idea how you can do quests as a multiboxer. I've only done instancing and if I ever try questing my body feels literaly that it will explode and I cant control it. Even on my main I hated questing, I did some zones and it wasnt very fun at all.

Whenever I see fuzzy's videos I know I will enjoy it when my turn comes.

[welwyn]

post.. makes .. me .. want.. to .. level.. new.. team...

seriously it might just be me but i have 33 level 60's atm. i multibox 4 accounts and 8 teams of level 60 atm and my main at 70. they are all same class setups so 4 x hunters, 4 x priests ect. now i am looking back and thinking if i should mix and match them all and learn something other than FTL and go with a modifier per charachter setup. ( eg normal layout is the tank ctrl + layout is healer ect) burnout after 8 teams? not really. if i get bored i go play BF2142 for a while. or supcom. or, dread to think, go outside lol. i know that i have my main i can go and have fun on i can play other things or do other things so i am not pressed to grind all day just to beat others. i enjoy it for what it is as i know i dont have to.

on a side note is there a really good guide for modifier per char setup anywhere using keyclone?

[blbjtb]

Here is my 2 cents (please take it as that)

I just started boxing about 1.5-2 months ago so yes I still have the new car smell. However that being said I got my team to 80 and now I went back and replaced 1 of my guys with a death knight so that I can tank some stuff. Mutliboxing isnt supposed to be easy cake town. I really dont feel that alot of us multibox just for the fact that we can 1-2 shot shit. (I know i dont at least) I box for the challenge. if you dont think its a challenge to box then your kidding yourself.

First of all WotLK is not even a month old yet.
Second Embrace the change and the challenge
Third if your seriously complaining about OH NO follow break. then your just looking for reasons to bitch

I play on possibly one of the worst horde servers known to man (draka) Our player base is a joke and is basically full of freaking retards.
(I get questions every day ranging from... OH man are you hacking? to WOW WHAT MOD IS THAT??? If I install that mod will I have to rename my guys? Does the mod just make shamens for you or can you actually choose what the mod makes? (Ya this tard though that multiboxing was a mod)

With that said I cant tell you how many times Ill fly into a zone Dominate the shit out of it and fly off Multiboxing is still Very powerful and if you doubt that again your kidding yourself. I can understand being burnt out hell it happens to everyone (I just came back from my I really hate wow and im never going to play it again!!!)

But since I started playing wow again I have done NOTHING but Level so ya im a little burnt out but im going to push through it and rejoice that im finally done.

[Dominian]

I dont want to be rude but it looks to me that alot of people never experienced the joy of 40 man dungeons. My guild spent 3 months on Twin Emperors in AQ 40, We cleared half of naxxramas before we got them down. Belive me we were a quite good guild but our luck with them just ran out i guess and bit of the skill,will and overall farming.

I play on one of the best pve servers in the EU (kazzak) and just here the twin emperors killed 7-8 realy good guilds causing them to merge.

You needed 40 focused guys who didnt fuck up badly once in 15 min, and always maxed the dps. If one died to early, we most likley didnt manage to kill him early enough if we didnt have battle res up.

So far i hit 78 with my paladin and 4 shamans, overall i wiped somewere like 60-70 times on my way here while i cleared all instances this far and started out in holy gear and a few epics with my shamans.

However ive tanked,healed and dps all on singel toons so i got the experience i feel i need to box overall OK, cant say im skilled at it but i dont fail either.

Personally i skip the things i dont realy like, the new sieg wepons and force my friends to use them since they understand what i can and can not do.

My changes for WOTLK was to drop a shaman and reroll my holy paladin to prot, dont regret it a day. I can do instances fairly well and dont have to rotate my shamans in the arena.

The best part is that i can bring my friends whenever i want..

My reason for boxing was that the challenge is awsome and you can REALY have a hard 5 man content. I never have to EVER go with a pug wich makes it worth it SOOOO much.

I guess im lucky since i joined a pvp guild were no one likes to tank or got the gear.. Ofc they wanna do naxx like everyone else and they need me to tank the boss in wintergrasp!

The follow thing is annoying but ive always used the Flight paths anyway, i can surf the net or get something to drink while waiting.

[crippen]

Dominian are you horde or alliance on kazzak?

[Catamer]

they keep telling me that the content wasn't designed for or against multiboxers however I have to disagree.
the base engine that everything is (or was) based off of has always included /assist /follow /focus ( focus includes target through ).
To have these items removed from the game required effort by Bliz. You don't remove these major items without effort.
everyone has known that Bliz could easily end multiboxing by removing any combination of the /assist /follow /focus

the loss of follow while changing zones is not really a problem to me but I do have issue with the massive amounts of "mount" quests where the game doesn't work like used to.
The solo boxer will never notice the loss, it's completely transparent to the solo player.
There doesn't seem to be any point to this loss other than to be anti-boxing.

I'm still having fun so far because I just do my best to avoid these quests or get really miffed because the quest now takes 5x as long as it should have.
We shall see when I get to the higher level content how much fun I have.

[Frosty]

I've only run into a few problems with the mount quests.\
And most of my problems were do to my UI and the pet bar not showing up when needed.

One of the mount quests (flying a plane around a pit) I was able to park all my slaves on the ledge, and they got full credit for my main’s work.

While I’m sure Blizzard loves our money, multi-boxers are a very small percentage of the player base in WoW.
We’ve almost become a spin-off of the hard-core raiding players who scream there isn’t enough raid content.

The new content poses a challenge to us…but (IMHO) part of the fun of multi-boxing is overcoming new challenges as they arise.

[Talamarr]

One of the mount quests (flying a plane around a pit) I was able to park all my slaves on the ledge, and they got full credit for my main’s work.

This.

I have noticed several quests like this. Even the Drake Hunt daily you can park your alts by the quest giver (make sure they picked up the quests) and they will get credit when your main comes back with the drake. I'm having a great time, I'm not sure where everyone is hitting a wall. Granted, I only box 3 atm (shaman, pally, hunter) so collection quests don't kill me.

I've also been following the quest guide at www.wow-pro.com and it's made running around doing quests enjoyable. My RL good friend 2-boxes a shaman and hunter and we've been clearing instances unbelievably easy.

I strongly suggest that people take their time leveling up. As someone here has said, if you didn't get the world first achievement, then you're shooting yourself in the foot by rushing.

[Dominian]

Dominian are you horde or alliance on kazzak?

Im horde and hi!

Fellow boxer? :)

[Marloon]

Sorry to see you go Hatred. I have visited this forum for a long time but just made an account today so you don't know me. Your one of the people that I have seen on the forums a lot though. Hope you find fun in the game again

[Hatred]

To clear up a few things here. My being frustrated had nothing to do with quests. I had already gotten my Shaman to level 80. Breaking follow here and there was a hell of an annoyance but not impossible to overcome. I have seen over and over people replying that "oh its not supposed to be easy", are you kidding me? I took on boxing because it was fun, I took on boxing because it was a challenge and something new. Please dont act like I gave up because it was to HARD. Being hard has nothing to do with it, I simply dont like the changes that Blizzard made at this point when it comes to play for the multiboxer.

[puppychow]

For those who are talking about the phasing and following and such -- do you have 280% (or faster) flying mounts and using them in Northrend?

I just hit 77 yesterday and bought cold flying, and honestly it was a bit frustrating. Just flying over a single zone (no phasing) and team members would constantly disappear for a few seconds and then reappear, dunno if it was server lag or my PC not being able to handle it. As a test I went back to Outlands and flew around Terrokar forest and SMV, no problems following and nobody fell behind.

In Northrend however pretty much every 20 seconds someone is gonna fall behind and get stuck, or appear that way on my party window/minimap causing me to constantly go back and forth trying to "gather the flock". I've had 0 problems btw up till now on land mounts. I have gotten into a pattern of inching forward a bit, waiting a few seconds, then inching forward again. Not exactly the thrill of epic flying I had in TBC. And yes, my graphic details are all the way down (experimented a lot last night).

Its probably just my underpowered PC, hopefully upgrading that will help a lot.

[Bena]

If it's not fun then stop.. nothing wrong with that. It's only a game.

IMO I don't believe Bliz has intentionally done anything to break boxers playstyle. Just part of the evolution of the game. I can see /follow being made to work in the future for vehicles. I think some of the frustrations that people might have comes from the all shamie teams. In BC most of the time a full shaman group would outdps the content. Right now the new dungeons are designed with 4dps slots in mind (tanks now contribute to the dps). In BC the design was with 3dps.. so it was easy for a 5 shaman team just wreck the place.

I'm personally taking it easy, I'm leveling 4 teams.. switching between them depending on what I feel like playing. They're mostly at 71/72 right now and I don't really feel like rushing through the content.

WIth the whole phasing .. I didn't really have problems so far. I rolled 4 DKs and at the start quests never had a problem with some being left behind.

[Frosty]

For those who are talking about the phasing and following and such -- do you have 280% (or faster) flying mounts and using them in Northrend?
No, but on a good day, I get about 25 FPS on my main with all the graphics turned down...and that's in any zone.
I've gotten so used to compensating for losing my toons I watch the mini map and can "feel" when one is about to drop off so I slow down for a second then resume.

And by the time I'm able to use/afford 280% flying...maybe they'll have a fix out. :P

[pinotnoir]

Just a note about the follow breaking. Mashing follow constanly will not keep them together. Once they past the phase line your main vanishes and only reappears when you move your followers into his phase.

You simply stop the main, hit forward arrow on the followers (please bind a key for them, it's always useful) then hit follow, and continue on. On my setup this is costing me about 5 seconds per time. Out of 5 zones I have quested in so far, I only had phasing occur in the fog in Borean Tundra, so unless all of Ice Crown is a giant phasing zone, I'm kind of lost about why this is affecting people so badly.

Yes I know how to get my followers into the phase.. I posted the solution for it earlier. And yes Icecrown and Storm Peaks are filled with phased zones. Every area within those zones are phased because they unlock towns, factions, flight points, ect.. You will see once you get there and start flying around. Its so bad for me I am using the flightmasters most of the time to avoid having to mess with phasing getting to the town I want to visit.

[Multibocks]

Flightmasters?! Eeeww that is bad!

[TheBigBB]

they keep telling me that the content wasn't designed for or against multiboxers however I have to disagree.
the base engine that everything is (or was) based off of has always included /assist /follow /focus ( focus includes target through ).
To have these items removed from the game required effort by Bliz. You don't remove these major items without effort.
everyone has known that Bliz could easily end multiboxing by removing any combination of the /assist /follow /focus

the loss of follow while changing zones is not really a problem to me but I do have issue with the massive amounts of "mount" quests where the game doesn't work like used to.
The solo boxer will never notice the loss, it's completely transparent to the solo player.
There doesn't seem to be any point to this loss other than to be anti-boxing.

I'm still having fun so far because I just do my best to avoid these quests or get really miffed because the quest now takes 5x as long as it should have.
We shall see when I get to the higher level content how much fun I have.

The simple explanation about why follow isn't working in vehicles is because they don't technically count as your character. Your character is still there, but not targetable anymore. When you go to follow, the game won't let you because follow is ALWAYS just a picky mechanic. Follow breaking under totally normal circumstances is nothing new to anyone. It's no stretch to imagine that without any changes whatsoever, follow would not work properly when you're phased out in limbo inside a vehicle. I doubt it has anything to do with multiboxing. The issue is that Blizzard doesn't care to program things that work for boxers. They stick follow and such things in the game for other reasons. These functionalities have never been designed to be resilient solutions to movement. They are just sort of there. Blizzard allows multiboxing, they don't and never have catered to it or cared one way or another.

This is the same fallacy as people saying that the RAF program was put in FOR multiboxers. Anything that helps us wasn't put in for us. Anything that hurts us wasn't put in to hurt us. It is what it is.

[BGuru]

How anyone could get to 80 already is beyond me. I have worked 5 days since the expansions release and my 5 box team is 73 now, I'm starting to think I done with WoW altogether now. The first 2 days after release was pretty nice I went on a few runs with friends and did the first 3 instances. Then everyone shot up in level by the third day I couldn't do the instances my friends were doing, I didn't want to hold them back. I just feel like I'm getting no where I can't even do 1 boss in even the easiest instance with my team. I have gotten so frustrated I stopped logging in at all now. It is depressing when you see people working full time and they are 80 now and raiding after I took so much time off work and I'm 73.

[Crayonbox]

Didnt read the entire thread, But for those that are still playing, I suggest you throw people off large cliffs or boats at every chance you get while multiboxing shamans.

High cliffs, boats and zepplin rides are plentiful in outlands and thunderstorm also knocks people off mounts. So... When youre high up on a hill doing a quest and someone of the opposing faction comes by... Thunderstorm them off. I cannot help myself from giggling every single time i do it. no matter how many times i do it.

yes its childish, but what the hell :P

Also since we all have 4 or 5 thunderstorms, you can also push people towards a cliff and eventually throw them off of it. /cheers :P

edit: btw I have 100% quest completed in all zones except storm peaks. Cant seem to find the last 13 quests. I want northredn loremaster! >_>

[Vyndree]

Once they past the phase line your main vanishes and only reappears when you move your followers into his phase.

I haven't experienced this in ANY of the phases that I've been in (I'm 78, in Storm Peaks and I have to deal with /follow breaking around that Hyld-thingy with all the giant blue chicks).

In all cases that I've tripped over a "phase-line", pressing the follow key worked fine and I could see all of my alts just fine. The only phasing that I had to press "arrow up" to get through are the portals in SW/Darn and things like the teleporter in Zul'Drak (ghoul quest chain).

*shrug* Maybe I'm just more laggy and that's what pushes me through.


EDIT:

Just flying over a single zone (no phasing) and team members would constantly disappear for a few seconds and then reappear
This? I've seen this happen in BC when you've got too much lag. Usually the solution was to equip all the alts with riding crops and not the main, but... eh... those are baibai now.

[TheBigBB]

To clear up a few things here. My being frustrated had nothing to do with quests. I had already gotten my Shaman to level 80. Breaking follow here and there was a hell of an annoyance but not impossible to overcome. I have seen over and over people replying that "oh its not supposed to be easy", are you kidding me? I took on boxing because it was fun, I took on boxing because it was a challenge and something new. Please dont act like I gave up because it was to HARD. Being hard has nothing to do with it, I simply dont like the changes that Blizzard made at this point when it comes to play for the multiboxer.

This doesn't clear anything up at all. :( You stated three reasons for being upset: Phasing follow, AOE, and vehicles. Presumably the problem you are having with these is that they are making it too difficult to multibox and be successful in the way that you would want. I guess there's no reason to argue about it with anyone, I just haven't gotten a good reason from the people not having a good time with WOTLK why ignoring boxer-unfriendly new content is not enough. I mean, I can sit here and agree 100% about the annoyance of everything that annoys you, but this doesn't explain why the content that we are able to do still isn't good enough. I'm pretty sure that anything you could do pre-expansion is still there in the game. Actually, with the 80 level cap it's probably possible for boxers to clear Kara with even a 5-man squad. Heck, even ZA!

Maybe this disappointment is coming more from a PVP perspective on the game?

[Vyndree]

Dont' forget you're a full-hardware boxer and all of your "alt" boxes are more then up to par.

I've also got 10 or more PCs sharing the same intarwebz.

I've felt the lag a bit, particularly the first week. I know when we went to do the city leaders' achievement I was lagged so bad my /follow'ers would lose track of my main when running around on epic land mounts. :(

[pinotnoir]

Once they past the phase line your main vanishes and only reappears when you move your followers into his phase.

I haven't experienced this in ANY of the phases that I've been in (I'm 78, in Storm Peaks and I have to deal with /follow breaking around that Hyld-thingy with all the giant blue chicks).

In all cases that I've tripped over a "phase-line", pressing the follow key worked fine and I could see all of my alts just fine. The only phasing that I had to press "arrow up" to get through are the portals in SW/Darn and things like the teleporter in Zul'Drak (ghoul quest chain).

*shrug* Maybe I'm just more laggy and that's what pushes me through.

The more you quest in icecrown and storm peaks the more phases you will see. Also, I cant stress enough to make sure all your team complete the same quest. If you dont some may be in another phase of the location than the others. For instance, one may be in a friendly town where another could be in a hostile area. Keep them all on the same phase.

[Crayonbox]

The city of dalaran is beautiful. Tons of details and effort went into the design of the city. But blizzard forgot they are stuffing the majority of the high level population fo the server into the single city. remember laggy ironforge when it was the only city with an auctionhouse? Welcome back to that. but 2x since hrode is there within visible range as well.

I usually have to go get up and stretch when i hearth or zone into dalaran to wait for every player to load. far too many polygons. Dont really have a problem single boxing, but i feel bad for those people playing on really old computers that can barely handle wow. Poor guys.

shattrath at least had the expanded size and the air space so that people were a bit more spread out. blargh.

[puppychow]

Vynd, so you are able to fly around Northrend zones with your 5/10 box setup on 280% (or 310%) mounts no problem, right? I just want to make sure there are a few multiboxers who can.

Its definitely not lag, my latency is 75-80ms on ALL 5 wow windows. My FPS is 15 or so in Dalaran (I reset to lowest gfx settings while there), and 55-65 in the world.

Actually I think /console maxfpsbk X may be the problem, by setting it too low the non-focused windows may be too slow redrawing and constantly lose the others. I've just tried

/console maxfpsbk 0

And am going to run with that today to see if it works any better. Other multiboxers who are having follow-in-flight issues, try that and see if it goes any better (if it does, remove from Keyclone/etc the maxfpsbk setting).

[Suvega]

Wee time for the senial ole' boxers points of view (tm!)

1) IMO this QQ I'm quitting post can be summarized as follows "OMG IT'S NOT EASY ANYMORE, I HAVE TO WORK AND I DUN LIKE IT, QQ QUITTING". You then deny this in a follow-up post, but provide no change to your reasons for quitting (That other classes can counter your once uber setup). You played an overpowered combination in BC. Face it, shamans were uber easy, which is why 80% of the population on this website is here. They saw ellay owning shit in arenas and decided "I WUNT OVER POWERD TOO!!", figuring that multiboxing = easy win. For a while this was true (read: BC), now that it is not all super easy and requires work I expect a few of these people to QQuit(tm!)


2) Epic mounts + phasing = evil. When crossing phasing boundries characters first fade out, and then re-appear after the game determines that you all should be in teh same "phase". On epic mounts this time is more then enough to get your main about 60 -100 yards ahead (breaking follow). It normally requires a long arrow pressforward to get everyone into the right zone, then going back and picking up your alts.

[Vyndree]

Vynd, so you are able to fly around Northrend zones with your 5/10 box setup on 280% (or 310%) mounts no problem, right? I just want to make sure there are a few multiboxers who can.

My alts are on the slow mounts (rerolled -- priest/warlock).

Suvega is on epics (280%), -- he already added his thoughts above. ;) Ellay I think just got his epic flyers too.

I think with the epic mounts though, it's not a case of the characters DISAPPEARING (I turn around and they're still there), but that any amount of lag -- phased or not -- can mean your epic flyer just took their 280% movement too far ahead to /follow. The phasing isn't TECHNICALLY "lag" but it's the same effect -- it takes a moment to load the "new" zone. I know Suvega lost characters all the time in BC if there was even a moment of lag (hence the riding crops on all but the main).

That being said, we're on the west coast and our server datacenter is east coast (central timezone server time, who'da thunk it), so we do have slightly higher latency compared to others.

[Ellay]

I am able to fly around fine in normal non phase areas. You'll easily recognize the areas that phase and cause you to lose auto follow, and be prepared for it.
Particular areas that have this phasing is the top left of Dragonblight near Icecrown where the quest event goes on. Multiple Areas in Icecrown and Storm Peaks. They made dynamic content and this is one of the trade offs of it.

[pinotnoir]

ARGGG! I did 1 quest more on my main at The Shadowvault. Now I have to do it on the rest or you cant see my main when flying over the area. I cant stress enough to make sure all your guys do the same quest. If you dont they will be in different phases.

[algol]

They made dynamic content and this is one of the trade offs of it.

Yup. I'm interested enough in having a more complex world to put up with the occasional inconvenience, especially when so far they're relatively easy to address.

Now that a few 310% mounts are relatively accessible (not EASY, but better than getting an arena drake or the phoenix drop), it would be nice to have 1x280 followed by 4x310. Should solve a few issues.

[Xar]

Just a note about the follow breaking. Mashing follow constanly will not keep them together. Once they past the phase line your main vanishes and only reappears when you move your followers into his phase.

You simply stop the main, hit forward arrow on the followers (please bind a key for them, it's always useful) then hit follow, and continue on. On my setup this is costing me about 5 seconds per time. Out of 5 zones I have quested in so far, I only had phasing occur in the fog in Borean Tundra, so unless all of Ice Crown is a giant phasing zone, I'm kind of lost about why this is affecting people so badly.It may take only take 5 seconds on each crossover through a phased line but the frustration it causes is what is pushing me closer and closer to quit WoW entirely. I'll give it a fair couple of months to fix something like this but they really need to have a buffer when entering a phased zone so that follow doesn't break. What's "fun" about having to manually push your toons into a phased zone where it used to work flawlessly before? I pay and play wow to have fun, nothing more. If it continues I'll just stop giving them my money and wait for Kotor mmo and never buy another Blizzard product again. F them for the RAF bait and switch and I never even participated, I started mboxing way before RAF. Thank Arthas I never invested in hardware to hardware box which I wanted to eventually do. They had a great thing going and it was fun and and had no reservations about paying my multiple subs, now it's like 10% of the fun to me. I'll give them some time but clock is ticking...

[Xar]

Wee time for the senial ole' boxers points of view (tm!)

1) IMO this QQ I'm quitting post can be summarized as follows "OMG IT'S NOT EASY ANYMORE, I HAVE TO WORK AND I DUN LIKE IT, QQ QUITTING". You then deny this in a follow-up post, but provide no change to your reasons for quitting (That other classes can counter your once uber setup). You played an overpowered combination in BC. Face it, shamans were uber easy, which is why 80% of the population on this website is here. They saw ellay owning shit in arenas and decided "I WUNT OVER POWERD TOO!!", figuring that multiboxing = easy win. For a while this was true (read: BC), now that it is not all super easy and requires work I expect a few of these people to QQuit(tm!)


2) Epic mounts + phasing = evil. When crossing phasing boundries characters first fade out, and then re-appear after the game determines that you all should be in teh same "phase". On epic mounts this time is more then enough to get your main about 60 -100 yards ahead (breaking follow). It normally requires a long arrow pressforward to get everyone into the right zone, then going back and picking up your alts.I totally deny it! ;)


I get owned good sometimes in wintergrasp now, especially by vehicles and tenacity on the other side but I'm adapting and find ways to help that keep me away or behind vehicles, still having fun there. My main problem is that simple things like follow and such are *broken* in some places making it very non-fun to do. I pay to have fun, nothing more. I have no delusions that I should hit 80 and immediately start owning heroics but when I can *easily* clear normal utk at 71 and not be able to take down the final boss because of stupid aoe design of the fight...that's not fun anymore. He does so much aoe damage that it should have been heroic. Just seems most final bosses are way overtuned compared to the trash and sub-bosses. I've healed them in a regular group on my priest and it's usually ok but I hope you know what I mean. I'm not even that upset about the dungeon final bosses, I'm more aggravated by the incredible amount of collection quests, vehicles, phasing and broken following than anything else and other solo boxers who don't multibox at all agree with me. I'm not even looking forward to them on my solo toons, I'm really not.

[pjdell]

heh, yeah, multiboxing is as much a trick of avoiding inappropriate content as anything. I think WotLK hammers that home with a big, big hammer though, so am not surprised at someone measuring how worth the trouble multiboxing is compared to the payoff, and declining. I can imagine myself making the same judgement, if I weren't also silly for re-rolling every fourteen and a half minutes anyway. That reminds me, I still haven't tried RFK with a fury Warrior, two arcane mages, a shadow priest, and a resto shaman! Be right back!I lold at your last comment there.

Anyone who is having trouble deciding what to do... I haven't been in the situation myself... but i would suggest moving down to 2 or 3 boxing. Obviously you can't solo heroics, buttt

you don't need to look for very many people to do one. You can still get geared.

I've come to the decision that it is probably very very very hard to get a good Arena rating running 5s, but with the intimacy you get with each character when 2 or 3 boxing, i presume it is possible.

Collection quests are easier with only 2 or 3 characters.

When leveling 3 characters you kill stuff instantly, when leveling 5 characters you kill stuff instantly, the difference between instant and instant is nothing.

I think 2 boxing is best, i tried 4 boxing but just thought it was too much. When 2 boxing ( i do rogues and hunters atm) with the experience so far, you almost don't need as much key broadcasting. On my rogues i really play a lot of each of the characters, it makes stunlocking simple. Hunters are the same way, i don't broadcast every key because i can switch screens quick enough to just play that other character when i need to. And back again.


Still haven't figured out the solution to freaking vehicles.... so far i have just posted on forums about getting it changed, since following in a vehicle really is no different from following on a mount, or on foot

[crebble]

well it isnt that bad with the zones tbh. as soon as you learn were they are its a cake.
levelin via quests gives you atleast 1,25 lvls a day so no bigger problem there. i tried via instas in the beginning and almost went nuts since i could wipe on the thrash pulls, so that kinda sucks...
strand of the ancients may fuck up a little for boxers too since when you get to attack youre much likely to get your chars split up between the ships.

the are going to fix the elementals and are also fixin dps scaling =)

what sucks is that heroic badges will be much harder to get AND they havent released the new pvp gear yet =/

/stick

[Fef]

QQuit(tm!)


Funny. :)

[TheBigBB]

Just a note about the follow breaking. Mashing follow constanly will not keep them together. Once they past the phase line your main vanishes and only reappears when you move your followers into his phase.

You simply stop the main, hit forward arrow on the followers (please bind a key for them, it's always useful) then hit follow, and continue on. On my setup this is costing me about 5 seconds per time. Out of 5 zones I have quested in so far, I only had phasing occur in the fog in Borean Tundra, so unless all of Ice Crown is a giant phasing zone, I'm kind of lost about why this is affecting people so badly.It may take only take 5 seconds on each crossover through a phased line but the frustration it causes is what is pushing me closer and closer to quit WoW entirely. I'll give it a fair couple of months to fix something like this but they really need to have a buffer when entering a phased zone so that follow doesn't break. What's "fun" about having to manually push your toons into a phased zone where it used to work flawlessly before? I pay and play wow to have fun, nothing more. If it continues I'll just stop giving them my money and wait for Kotor mmo and never buy another Blizzard product again. F them for the RAF bait and switch and I never even participated, I started mboxing way before RAF. Thank Arthas I never invested in hardware to hardware box which I wanted to eventually do. They had a great thing going and it was fun and and had no reservations about paying my multiple subs, now it's like 10% of the fun to me. I'll give them some time but clock is ticking...

You're flaming Blizzard for "RAF bait and switch"? RAF was NOT designed for multiboxers and was never advertised as such. It was put into the game to get people to get their friends up to par for the expansion. There's nothing about this game which is designed with multiboxers in mind. A person who multiboxes as the norm is very, very rare. Blaming Blizzard for your purchases is beyond mind-boggling. If you weren't prepared for there to be boxer-unfriendly content, that's your mistake, not Blizzard's.

[RobinGBrown]

1) IMO this QQ I'm quitting post can be summarized as follows "OMG IT'S NOT EASY ANYMORE, I HAVE TO WORK AND I DUN LIKE IT, QQ QUITTING". You then deny this in a follow-up post, but provide no change to your reasons for quitting (That other classes can counter your once uber setup). You played an overpowered combination in BC. Face it, shamans were uber easy, which is why 80% of the population on this website is here. They saw ellay owning shit in arenas and decided "I WUNT OVER POWERD TOO!!", figuring that multiboxing = easy win. For a while this was true (read: BC), now that it is not all super easy and requires work I expect a few of these people to QQuit(tm!)

I think that Suvega has nailed it, if you were to take this complaint to the WoW boards you'd be failposted into oblivion, and 'QQLRN2BOX' hammered.

Complaining that things aren't easy is a child's complaint

[Hatred]

1) IMO this QQ I'm quitting post can be summarized as follows "OMG IT'S NOT EASY ANYMORE, I HAVE TO WORK AND I DUN LIKE IT, QQ QUITTING". You then deny this in a follow-up post, but provide no change to your reasons for quitting (That other classes can counter your once uber setup). You played an overpowered combination in BC. Face it, shamans were uber easy, which is why 80% of the population on this website is here. They saw ellay owning shit in arenas and decided "I WUNT OVER POWERD TOO!!", figuring that multiboxing = easy win. For a while this was true (read: BC), now that it is not all super easy and requires work I expect a few of these people to QQuit(tm!)

I think that Suvega has nailed it, if you were to take this complaint to the WoW boards you'd be failposted into oblivion, and 'QQLRN2BOX' hammered.

Complaining that things aren't easy is a child's complaint



Wow, I seriously cannot tell you how disappointed I am with both of these comments. Nowhere did I complain that I thought it was hard. I said I didn't like the new mechanics that were put in place. I dont like follows breaking (phasing), I dont like the vehicle issues for a 5 boxer, and every class having an aoe sucking. Another issue that bothered me which I didn't mention as Strand of the Ancients. When it switches sides it seperates your toons on to different boats and you have to try to get to the other boat to get them back together again. If you have ally at the beach then getting to you guys gets VERY ugly.

I spent the last two paragraphs of my original post stating how much I admired this site for being so helpful and not flaming people then low and behold what do I see? I just want to throw a personal thank the two of you for posting your worthless shit just to say I was QQing, thas surely is helpful. I never started Multiboxing because I saw any youtube crap. I started becuase I saw a 5 boxer on my server and though it would be fun, and it is fun.

I love a challenge and for you (Suvega) to just blame my concerns on "QQing" and "I just want easy mode" really is shitty. You sounded flat out like a WoW Forum troll. I also would like to thank you for mocking 80% of the people on this site in the same way. Sure man, 80% of us do this because we like things easy. Your a multiboxer man, you of anyone should realize that when it comes to multiboxing NOTHING is easy. Thanks for mocking 80% of us though. Ass

[Frosty]

woooo!!! Glad I'm not part of the 80%! :P

/popcorn

[Oswyn]

Wow, I seriously cannot tell you how disappointed I am with both of these comments. Nowhere did I complain that I thought it was hard.

New Mechanics that are not multibox friendly = MAKING MULTIBOXING AS A WHOLE HARDER / MORE DIFFICULT

Its the same damn thing. Nice try though.

And yes, I'm an asshole. :P :P

Dammit I have to agree with Fur...

[Frosty]

Dammit I have to agree with Fur... On which part?? :whistling:

[Hoofu & Oggie]

Actually this isn't true. I did EVERY quest on each toon. Even the horrible collection quests, and they still fell offwell, despite the issues youre having, thats how it works...why you all have issues is beyond me. hardly a reason to be pissed at the game. gotta realize that even though MB is do-able, the game isnt meant to be played as such. so they wont take time to find those issues that only mb'ers run into and fix em.I can confirm the OP's problem - I've done the exact same set of quests (except recently one or two Drak'Tharon Keep instance quests) and every time I fly from Dalaran to Storm Peaks the lead character fades out and I lose follow. Same with flying from Dalaran to Icecrown, and particularly, when flying over the burning area in front of the Wrath Gate. This last one was how I came to realise that the "phasing" areas cause the characters to briefly lose sight of each other when the lead one goes into it.

[algol]

I'm still a bit bummed that "can I have your stuff?" doesn't apply here. :(


I'm an asshole. :P :P

Okay. :D

[Hatred]

Wow, I seriously cannot tell you how disappointed I am with both of these comments. Nowhere did I complain that I thought it was hard.

New Mechanics that are not multibox friendly = MAKING MULTIBOXING AS A WHOLE HARDER / MORE DIFFICULT

Its the same damn thing. Nice try though.

And yes, I'm an asshole. :P :P
Ok so lets look at this logic as it relates to my post.

Phasing: You just have to move up the toons that fell off. Not "hard" its irritating.

Vehicles: You do the quest with 1 toon and leave the other toons near the main OR in some quests just park the toons at the end of the quest turn in area and you get credit. Not "hard" its irritating.

AOE: Gee they AOE me while I 1-2 shot them(PVP) or move out of the AOE(PVE). Not "hard" but irritating.

Strand of the Ancients: I have to run my toons across the beach to get them back together again. Not "hard" once again irritating.

Saying that i quit because it got "harder" doesn't even come close to the point. The changes are just flat out annoying, not harder.

[Frosty]

I'm still a bit bummed that "can I have your stuff?" doesn't apply here
/agree

I need all the stuff I can get! :thumbup:

[Sam DeathWalker]

People are down on me cause I take so long to get things done but this is a good case in point.

I had problems with copying ui set up to all computers without reloading profiles and stuffs, so I spend a month to fix it.

I found I have to loot fast with non main characters with a single button and minimal handmovement (cause I loot all the time ... ), I came up with a way to fix it.

I had problems with Keyclone not switching between accounts fast enough in the full screen mode. I spent a week or two and fixed it.

My computers were not fast enough. I fixed it.

My RAF ran out. I fixed it.

ANYTHING that bothers you about the game. Take time and more time and additional time, and fix it!


"Just Fix It." SDW '08

[Vyndree]

I don't personally agree with this:

and every class having an aoe sucking

Why?
1) Shamans got a new AoE too (and it PUNTS PEOPLE)
2) We always had to deal with AoE from mages, hunters, warlocks, warriors (WW/cleaves), boomkins (granted, CD ability), ferals (swipe), shamans (magma/fire novas/earthbinds). So, really, you're just adding Priest and DKs to the list, but honestly -- we already had to keep an eye out for aoe in the first place so there's really no difference. There's just more variety, but see item #1 for why this isn't a bad thing.
3) Chain Heal and spellpower = bigger heals from elemental specs

Phasing?
An irritant, but no more irritating than a rogue spamming distract, which I already had to look out for. Spamming follow keys is a habit for me now.

Vehicles?
This is the one place I can agree. I don't like them either. So I either a) don't do them, nobody's forcing me to; or b) do them on my main if and only if I can complete the quest via proximity on my alts.


I've always been respectful with my disagreements.


I will tell you one thing: Ele shammies sucked when BC first came out too. They kept fussing with clearcasting making us re-gear each time to get the "ideal" crit, our gear at similar levels gave us less DPS than other casters, we brought no decent buffs to the table that a resto shaman couldn't.... I mean, Hydross was immune to nature wtf was an ele shaman to do? What changed? Arena burst damage became king and we SCALED incredibly well with gear.

I know you're not directly complaining about "shamans suck now", but alot of people are so I felt I needed to address that. Prior to BC, there were NO shaman teams. All mages and locks because "AoE damage is king" for battlegrounds. BC introduced arenas and burst/survivability being important, and shaman rose to the top. Now wrath is here, and we need to figure out what we need to do to succeed. I'm sorry you feel cheated because there are new talents, new abilities, new priorities -- but you either need to learn to adapt or, like you're doing, take the experiences you have and call it quits. Those who joined us after the "shaman FOTM" which, honestly, I am loathe to even admit because there are people like Ellay and Xbox who were around prior to it being "cool" haven't really taken the time to notice the pattern -- proven combinations come and go. It's the endless balance and rebalance and inevitable lack of balance.

You can either put all your eggs in one basket and hope for the best, bounce between classes until you find what works, or just say "screw it" and do WHAT YOU LOVE TO DO. If you don't love multiboxing anymore for the sake of multiboxing, then don't do it. Nobody's going to shove it down your throat.

I'm an altaholic because I love theorycrafting and forming various group compositions and writing clever macros. No rebalancing will "break" multiboxing for me because I multibox for the sake of multiboxing. I enjoy challenges, I enjoy rerolling, I enjoy macro writing -- and I can honestly still do that even if multiboxing becomes the weakest of weaksauces. I will still have fun. Because fun, to me, is the experience -- it's not winning or losing or being better than solo boxers or even being the SAME as solo boxers. I'm not the same as a solo boxer, and I embrace that difference. There is no advantage. I know that, and I enjoy it anyway.

If you don't, then I say good for you for not wasting your time on something you don't enjoy. Expecting a community that DOES enjoy that hobby to agree is somewhat of a stretch -- like going into a baseball game and screaming "I HATE BASEBALL IT SUCKS NOW". So, while I can say that I, personally, am respectful at the same time I can't say I'm surprised by the reactions of several others... are you honestly surprised?

[TheBigBB]

Wow, I seriously cannot tell you how disappointed I am with both of these comments. Nowhere did I complain that I thought it was hard.

New Mechanics that are not multibox friendly = MAKING MULTIBOXING AS A WHOLE HARDER / MORE DIFFICULT

Its the same damn thing. Nice try though.

And yes, I'm an asshole. :P :P
Ok so lets look at this logic as it relates to my post.

Phasing: You just have to move up the toons that fell off. Not "hard" its irritating.

Vehicles: You do the quest with 1 toon and leave the other toons near the main OR in some quests just park the toons at the end of the quest turn in area and you get credit. Not "hard" its irritating.

AOE: Gee they AOE me while I 1-2 shot them(PVP) or move out of the AOE(PVE). Not "hard" but irritating.

Strand of the Ancients: I have to run my toons across the beach to get them back together again. Not "hard" once again irritating.

Saying that i quit because it got "harder" doesn't even come close to the point. The changes are just flat out annoying, not harder.

If these things are not hard for you to deal with, then they would not irritate you.

I think you're confused about the sense in which the word "hard" is being used. In this case, it's the planning or ability to figure out your limitations. If a multiboxer can no longer count on his epic flying mounts, but continues to keep trying to use them and bang his head against the wall, that person will be irritated. However the challenge would become to map out a routine or playing agenda which limits the amount these things bother you. For example, most people don't bring their tank into battlegrounds rather than complain about the irritation of the tank being very useless in PVP. The person who brings the tank is going to "have a hard time". Were said person to quit the game over the "annoyance" of their tank being useless in BGs, people would meet them with the same skepticism you're being met with. The skepticism is based on the fact that there are so many other things in WOTLK to mess around with as a multiboxer that it's hard to accept you as a reasonable individual if the annoyance of phasing would cause you to pay $100 to evacuate your accounts 2 weeks into the expansion.

I have to wonder how many people here actually tried flying on epic mounts pre expansion. I know Xar was crying about his guys losing follow in Shatt in BC content very recently, but now he will probably blame it on phasing. I can't really ride epic flyers too well myself, even with no lag. Pretty much, ever. It's always going to be a problem in a MMO for a boxer.

[Mokoi]

ese things are not hard for you to deal with, then they would not irritate you.


Incorrect, Irritating does not mean hard, it does not indicate an added level of difficulty of the game, it adds an extra level of annoyance. Adding an extra step in a process that we are accustomed to not having. That is an irritation, not a difficulty.

Coming back from getting a drink while doing quests with all your toons following you only to find that 3 of them have lost follow because of a phased zone and wasting time getting your guys back on follow is annoying, you cant say its more difficult, its irritating.

Can't say I would quit over that, but we have to be honest, boxing has seen better days, and the days of the invulnerable phalanx of Shamans is probably gone. Some people only paid the extra money on their accounts because it was relatively OP in BGs and fun in arenas, this may be lost in WoTLK. Once again, not worth quitting the game over, but maybe not spending the extra money on the added accounts is called for for some people who's benefit from paying for them is gone for now.

[TheBigBB]

ese things are not hard for you to deal with, then they would not irritate you.


Incorrect, Irritating does not mean hard, it does not indicate an added level of difficulty of the game, it adds an extra level of annoyance. Adding an extra step in a process that we are accustomed to not having. That is an irritation, not a difficulty.

Coming back from getting a drink while doing quests with all your toons following you only to find that 3 of them have lost follow because of a phased zone and wasting time getting your guys back on follow is annoying, you cant say its more difficult, its irritating.

How is it not more difficult? Sure, it makes flying around those zones more difficult.

[puppychow]

I think someone nailed it perfectly previously, I am relatively happy at the moment and avoid most of the vehicle stuff (but I do most of the quests, including collection). My plan is to finish leveling up to 80, run some heroics and such to get my pally/mage geared up, then let 2 of my shamans subs elapse. I'll 1-3 box as I feel like it, until a big content patch or the next expansion, knowing my extra 2 shamans are just 5 minutes away if I ever want/need them. 2-3 boxing is a lot more fun than 5 boxing in WOTLK, for me at least. I'm also lucky that on my server there are pretty much 24x7 pugs for all heroics and raids.

And yes, I really, really, really hate the flying parts of Icecrown/etc. When I'm on my 280% mount I want to soar and dive and fly in crazy patterns and gasp at the giant landscapes and crazy mobs and other beautiful scenery. Not check my minimap every 3 seconds to see if someones fallen behind. For now the easiest thing I do is just use the flight master to get around, and only mount up when doing specific quests in a subzone. I'm taking the bus instead of driving my ferrari :(

[Hatred]

If you don't, then I say good for you for not wasting your time on something you don't enjoy. Expecting a community that DOES enjoy that hobby to agree is somewhat of a stretch -- like going into a baseball game and screaming "I HATE BASEBALL IT SUCKS NOW". So, while I can say that I, personally, am respectful at the same time I can't say I'm surprised by the reactions of several others... are you honestly surprised?
I can definately see the point you are trying to make here. When I made my OP I had no intention of angering anyone. My intention was purely to say that I was quitting for now due to frustrations that I didn't want to deal with and to THANK everyone here that contributed in one way or another to my success as a multiboxer. I stated before in one of my posts in this thread that I had a great time multiboxing and I do enjoy it but at the moment my frustrations have gotten the best of me. Sure i transferred my toons onto 1 account, so what, if I ever get out of this PISSY mood I am in and decide to adapt to what I am currently resisting then I can easily pay $100 and move my toons back on to seperate accounts again.

As for Suvega, my apologies for calling you an ass earlier in the thread. The frustration I have at the moment will pass. I may not have liked your post but I can also see where you might think the way you responded. Even if you are wrong. :P

[Vyndree]

:thumbsup: for maturity


If we get angry because people criticize us for their opinion that multiboxing is a "dumb"/"pointless" playstyle, then we have no right to criticize someone who chooses not to share our opinion either.

Good for joo.

[Iceorbz]

I was in major danger of starting to feel like this too, mainly due to over-anticipation of what Wrath would bring in the weeks/months running up to release (I guess I sort of pre-burned myself out).

So instead, after getting frustrated during the 1st week of release, I've chilled out, worked on alt teams, soloed with my pally, started a couple of new guys to twink at 69 (man RAF is overpowered). etc etc.

I'll get to 80 in the end, not really bothered about being 1st anymore, or even above the curve. I'll pick up some welfare epics when they roll along, learn the heroics at my own pace, get my professions up bit by bit.

I'm sort of enjoying this approach atm, but the kid in me still keeps whispering on my shoulder (min-devil style) "oi lazy, you're falling behind", but I do my best to ignore him, it's not a race, and I'm not answerable to anyone.This is *EXACTLY* the approach im taking, hence my warrior is 74 right now.. ive gotten my shaman up from 42 a few weeks ago to about 64 now, still having a good time. The quests in borean were not to bad, I think of it this way... regardless of grinding im going to need cloth, eternals, coin, reputation and experience. Might as well grind it out now while im questing.

I also have my wife leveling a druid with me, and shes tanking... This may get subbed out later since I will have a 80 prot warrior in the end, along with a destruction lock or hunter / druid. 4 Shaman seems to still be a pimp combo and then juts get a buddy to tank for you. When people see how fast you clear, how much damage you do overall they will want to run with you anyways.

[Dominian]

I was in major danger of starting to feel like this too, mainly due to over-anticipation of what Wrath would bring in the weeks/months running up to release (I guess I sort of pre-burned myself out).

So instead, after getting frustrated during the 1st week of release, I've chilled out, worked on alt teams, soloed with my pally, started a couple of new guys to twink at 69 (man RAF is overpowered). etc etc.

I'll get to 80 in the end, not really bothered about being 1st anymore, or even above the curve. I'll pick up some welfare epics when they roll along, learn the heroics at my own pace, get my professions up bit by bit.

I'm sort of enjoying this approach atm, but the kid in me still keeps whispering on my shoulder (min-devil style) "oi lazy, you're falling behind", but I do my best to ignore him, it's not a race, and I'm not answerable to anyone.This is *EXACTLY* the approach im taking, hence my warrior is 74 right now.. ive gotten my shaman up from 42 a few weeks ago to about 64 now, still having a good time. The quests in borean were not to bad, I think of it this way... regardless of grinding im going to need cloth, eternals, coin, reputation and experience. Might as well grind it out now while im questing.

I also have my wife leveling a druid with me, and shes tanking... This may get subbed out later since I will have a 80 prot warrior in the end, along with a destruction lock or hunter / druid. 4 Shaman seems to still be a pimp combo and then juts get a buddy to tank for you. When people see how fast you clear, how much damage you do overall they will want to run with you anyways.

Idd all my real life friends are queued up to do instances with me since i bring a decent geared tank and healers... All they have to do is dps!

Had to put my foot down when it came to sharing of loot when my friend ended up with 50% of the greens.. Boxing doesnt make you rich, even if thats what people think.

[Suvega]

As for Suvega, my apologies for calling you an ass earlier in the thread. The frustration I have at the moment will pass. I may not have liked your post but I can also see where you might think the way you responded. Even if you are wrong. :P

No need my friend, I'm a douche on the forums :P

[TheBigBB]

I'm not angry at anyone, I've just seen a lot of posts or threads lately that I think are unfair, and I like to debate. The OP has no obligation to anyone and I think he's probably a cool guy, as are most people here, even when I get argumentative. It's all good.

I think the original post here is unfair because a multiboxer can always find content which is frustrating to multibox. Someone should leave based on the failure of the boxable content, not the frustrations of the unboxable content or the stuff that is annoying, since that stuff is always going to be there for us no matter what game we play. Did anyone other than a shaman team ever get a respectable arena rating? How about a team of rogues? It just doesn't happen. We were always limited and will continue to be limited in many ways. Maybe we were spoiled by BC shamans.

[Rin]

I'm not angry at anyone, I've just seen a lot of posts or threads lately that I think are unfair, and I like to debate. The OP has no obligation to anyone and I think he's probably a cool guy, as are most people here, even when I get argumentative. It's all good.

I think the original post here is unfair because a multiboxer can always find content which is frustrating to multibox. Someone should leave based on the failure of the boxable content, not the frustrations of the unboxable content or the stuff that is annoying, since that stuff is always going to be there for us no matter what game we play. Did anyone other than a shaman team ever get a respectable arena rating? How about a team of rogues? It just doesn't happen. We were always limited and will continue to be limited in many ways. Maybe we were spoiled by BC shamans.

I don't know... And I know this may offend some people, but I think the majority of the QQ'ers run teams of all shaman. Yet now they're realizing that in Wrath, a team without a plate tank is a team that's not going to make it in most Heroic instances. To be fair, one thing I DO wish is that elemental shaman damage be looked into and improved. I feel that the class is lagging behind significantly damage-wise... but that's just my humble opinion/ the opinions of those who have parsed the damage over time as compared to *almost* any other class, nothing more.

[mmmbox]

Very interesting thread to read, I am still fairly new to mbox in wow and atm being 67 i have yet to experience the challanges of wotlk.

I mBox to do instances cause thats where the challange lies for me personally, doing Heroics and gearing up my group is what drives me.

I am in a good guild where we are atm doing Nax, I have explained to my entire guild what im doing and they are totally ok with it and my "main" will still be raiding with them.

What honestly anoys me with questing as a mboxer is that its sooo OP, its already to easy to solo but with 5 char mBox you trash everything before you even know what you are fighting with :) it gives me no sence of accomplishment tbh :) tho this i can live with cause i mBox for the thrill of instances, but being used to heroics I was almost disapointed 1st time i hit outland instances with my team, even then i trashed everything without effort, i try to do the instances at the bare minimum lvl for max xp and reaping the most benefit of the gear that droops and to get some feel of accomplishment while lvling :)

Biggest challenge i had yet was to kill the boss in Sethek Halls, now thoses typs of bosses is the real challenge to a mboxer and where you notice the flaws in your setup, it took me alot of tuning to get him down.

After reading this I think my plan for wotlk will be to split my team (3xhunters 1xpriest 1xpaladin) in to 2 or 3 questing teams so the collecting quests wont be such a pain, i might even do them 1 char at a time :p

Also I have yet to experience this "phasing" problem with follow but again having read what ppl write I would say its the one fudamental "law" of inconvinience you have to accept as a mBoxer i.e to keep track of your chars and once that starts to get to you I think a break from mBoxing is in order as the OP have realised.

I got a question form a guild mate asking "what are you going to do once you hit 80?" as if lvl to 80 was the goal of me mBoxing, to me the lvling part is like "boot-camp" its where i learn and fine tune, once i hit 80 is when the "real" mBoxing starts for me :), heroics, heroic achivement etc etc.

Basically the entire lvling process is one major inconvinience to get to the real deal, tho fortunately it involves alot of fun also :D

[Nairi]

i noticed on some vehicles my toons that arnt in vehicles can mount up and follow oO, was doing this lastnight had a quest in shadowvault to burn some houses with a drake. Had rest of my toons on normal flying mount following while i had vehicle/drake on main.

its not that bad. Last boss in the Oculus 8| ... i had to like alt tab to each window heal/dps, beat him on 3rd try tho.

[Frosty]

Yet now they're realizing that in Wrath, a team without a plate tank is a team that's not going to make it in most Heroic instances.
Pft, I have a plate tank and only 1 Shaman and I still suck at normal instances. :whistling:

But that's ok.. If I can't beat it..I'll overpower it eventually with my Alt-Army!

[Dominian]

I'm not angry at anyone, I've just seen a lot of posts or threads lately that I think are unfair, and I like to debate. The OP has no obligation to anyone and I think he's probably a cool guy, as are most people here, even when I get argumentative. It's all good.

I think the original post here is unfair because a multiboxer can always find content which is frustrating to multibox. Someone should leave based on the failure of the boxable content, not the frustrations of the unboxable content or the stuff that is annoying, since that stuff is always going to be there for us no matter what game we play. Did anyone other than a shaman team ever get a respectable arena rating? How about a team of rogues? It just doesn't happen. We were always limited and will continue to be limited in many ways. Maybe we were spoiled by BC shamans.

I don't know... And I know this may offend some people, but I think the majority of the QQ'ers run teams of all shaman. Yet now they're realizing that in Wrath, a team without a plate tank is a team that's not going to make it in most Heroic instances. To be fair, one thing I DO wish is that elemental shaman damage be looked into and improved. I feel that the class is lagging behind significantly damage-wise... but that's just my humble opinion/ the opinions of those who have parsed the damage over time as compared to *almost* any other class, nothing more.

Add the fact that when most of us spoiled RAF boxers started dooing instance we got S2 gear for free + a few pices of S3. The instances were at the time of S2 toned down quite much compared to on release...

I doubt it will be impossible to do instance with 5 shamans but it will certainly get harder!

I already dropped a shaman and recruited my paladin after trying UK the first time..

[Vyndree]

Add the fact that when most of us spoiled RAF boxers started dooing instance we got S2 gear for free + a few pices of S3. The instances were at the time of S2 toned down quite much compared to on release...

:thumbup:

I approve. Badge gear, SSO rep gear, Epic Gems, PvP gear... These all "filled the gap". When you have access to S2 honor gear (SSC/TK iLevel) right off the bat that's like having access to a raid that doesn't even exist yet in Wrath.

Granted, I know I saw some of you doing heroics in blues via Earthbind kiting + burst, but let's face it... that's rather gimmicky and I'm sure, given time, we'll find new gimmicks for current instances. ;)