Control Questions - How to broadcast Wireless... if possible

[Aluxx]

Hi Guys,

Firstly i've been 5 boxing on my locks / shamies for over a yr now, using keyclone.

I want to setup a hardware box for 2 boomkins.

I have 2 awesome pcs which will run each wow copy with Boom 1 and Boom 2

My plan was to broadcast 1 wireless keyboard/mouse to both pcs so they are perfectly in sync. This possible? And if not whats the next best solution.

Ive spent alot of time reading through threads and faq but cant find the answers i need, so if this has been addressed already can u please provide the link to the thread.

Thanks

[turbonapkin]

If I am reading your post correctly, you want to connect the wireless keyboard and mouse to two computers at the same time, therefore replicating mouse and keypresses across both PCs without the aid of keyclone-like software or additional hardware?

Assuming that is what you mean:

Wireless keyboards/mice contain only one radio transmitter/receiver each so can communicate with only one computer at a time. they are incapable of broadcasting for obvious reasons (wireless keylogging!)

Your cheapest option is to use keyclone to broadcast keypresses between the two PCs. If you check the software section there is a ton of info on how to do this.

[Aluxx]

Yes u understand my question thanks, but using keyclone means i have keystroke delays, making me have to use /follow macros.

I want to avoid these macros.

What other options do i have?

[zanthor]

If I am reading your post correctly, you want to connect the wireless keyboard and mouse to two computers at the same time, therefore replicating mouse and keypresses across both PCs without the aid of keyclone-like software or additional hardware?

Assuming that is what you mean:

Wireless keyboards/mice contain only one radio transmitter/receiver each so can communicate with only one computer at a time. they are incapable of broadcasting for obvious reasons (wireless keylogging!)

Your cheapest option is to use keyclone to broadcast keypresses between the two PCs. If you check the software section there is a ton of info on how to do this.Wow... this post is so full of crap I don't know where to begin... Wireless keyboards are commonly used for this application, buy two of the same model, you can sync one keyboard to more than one receiver. Traditionally you need more than one keyboard connected to each machine for this type of setup to work... see below for why.
Yes u understand my question thanks, but using keyclone means i have keystroke delays, making me have to use /follow macros.

I want to avoid these macros.

What other options do i have?What you are saying is you want to press W and have both toons walk forward, this works for about 10-15 feet, you turn, it gets worse, bump into something, even worse, pretty soon you have two toons pointed entirely different ways. Even hardware boxers use follow macro's, it's why I always say if Blizzard wanted to KILL multiboxing in a single change, they would remove /follow because it instantly becomes impossible to compete.

[Aluxx]

I see so there is no way evan with hardware boxing to remove the delay when operating more than 1 box.

I thought it may of been possible via multiplexing a wireless keyboard/mouse to have 2 copies of wow to run identically. As in after running around, turning, killing mobs, the two chars will be identically facing, and in same position from which they started.

If not then i may as well keep using 1 cpu and using keyclone.

[zanthor]

I see so there is no way evan with hardware boxing to remove the delay when operating more than 1 box.

I thought it may of been possible via multiplexing a wireless keyboard/mouse to have 2 copies of wow to run identically. As in after running around, turning, killing mobs, the two chars will be identically facing, and in same position from which they started.

If not then i may as well keep using 1 cpu and using keyclone.Yup.

[turbonapkin]

Wow... this post is so full of crap I don't know where to begin... Wireless keyboards are commonly used for this application, buy two of the same model, you can sync one keyboard to more than one receiver. Traditionally you need more than one keyboard connected to each machine for this type of setup to work... see below for why.

I have tried this on two logitech devices, one BT and one proprietary radio and neither would transmit to both at the same time. Please don't trash my suggestions because you have a different opinion or experience, it's rude.

I'm interested to see some references where you have seen this 'commonly used' as i have a situation where it would be very useful.

[zanthor]

Wow... this post is so full of crap I don't know where to begin... Wireless keyboards are commonly used for this application, buy two of the same model, you can sync one keyboard to more than one receiver. Traditionally you need more than one keyboard connected to each machine for this type of setup to work... see below for why.

I have tried this on two logitech devices, one BT and one proprietary radio and neither would transmit to both at the same time. Please don't trash my suggestions because you have a different opinion or experience, it's rude.

I'm interested to see some references where you have seen this 'commonly used' as i have a situation where it would be very useful.http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=12&pageNo=1

Take any two identical wireless keyboards and you plug in a receiver on each computer, throw all but one keyboard in a drawer, no batteries, sync the one keyboard. They have to be identical, same make/model, I would even suggest the same generation of hardware. A logitech MX234897234 purchased last year isn't necessarily the same as the same model purchased this year, but that fact won't be patently obvious in packaging.

[turbonapkin]

That'll be my problem then - two different keyboard, however receivers appear to look the same. Thanks for the info :)

[Thulos]

I have tried this on two logitech devices, one BT and one proprietary radio and neither would transmit to both at the same time. Please don't trash my suggestions because you have a different opinion or experience, it's rude.

I'm interested to see some references where you have seen this 'commonly used' as i have a situation where it would be very useful. I used this technique to multibox 4 computers with one keyboard for more than a year when I played DAoC. A good friend of mine in my DAoC guild used this technique the entire time he played DAoC with a full party. The best way to go about doing this is to purchase a wireless (NOT Bluetooth) keyboard and reciever then contact the vendor of that keyboard and purchase additional recievers. You then simply hit the sync button on all the recievers for each computer and then the sync button on the keyboard and you will be sending input to all the computers at one time. It is very reliable and works perfectly. You just have to customize the keybindings manually in the game to ignore keystrokes.

[zanthor]

(NOT Bluetooth)Ya know I should have clarified that, I would hope no one would drop the money on a bunch of bluetooth receivers, but you never know.

[Aluxx]

sounds awesome, works with mice too?

So i should buy Make/Model XX/XX of a keyboard/mouse, then contact a repair/supply shop and order extra receivers?

[Dorffo]

IIRC you can buy logitech receivers directly from Logitech for not very much. Not sure about other manufacturers.

[Aluxx]

Ya i rang logitech and they told me they dont stock receivers for my MX Rev Wireless mouse (its 1 yr old)

However if i purchased a new mouse then i may have some luck, but evan then they said they cant provide the spare part, it needs to be supplied via a warranty practice, so they would need the old receiver to replace it.

So i'm thinking about just buying two brand new mice, and two new keyboards, both wireless, and jsut hope that they will snyc.

The pc stores i spoke to said my plan will not work, because the recievers will only make connection with 1 device, however from what i read on the forums it does seem possible, so all i can do is try i guess. If it dont work then at least my gf can get a new mouse / Keyboard :P

[Aluxx]

Again i have been on the phone to a few pc stores, and they all tell me the same thing, a specific mouse is pared with a specific receiver, has anyone just purchased 2 mice of the same model and had 1 mouse broadcast to 2 receivers?

[Herc130]

Digging up old post. Nothing answers my problem and I am thinking what I bought just won't work.

I bought 4 of these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834997306

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/182/3499730601zr8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The connection button on the reciever and the keypad do not say "connect", they say "reset".

I plugged in two recievers to two different computers, hit each reciever's reset key. With both recievers blinking, I hit the reset key on the keypad. One reciever will connect, but not the other. If I hit reset again and connect the other reciever, then I loose connection with the first one. Also tried hitting the reset button on the keypad and then ...at the same time, hit the reset on both recievers...only one connects. Am I missing something? Right now, I am thinking the damn thing resets itself each time you hit the "reset" button .....cause, thats what reset means ...which is not good :cursing: . What else could I do? I don't see a way to change things in control panel. And, if this doesn't work out, what is a tried and true wireless usb keypad that will diffinently work?

[Aluxx]

No idea mate, i gave up boxing because there is not a solution out there atm, that allows you to avoid using the /follow macros.

/follow macros + a multiplex software just doesn't cut it , the more integrated fights in the new WOTLK Content requires so much movement and if a char is lagging behind using /follow they just get pwnt.

Until i can find a method that works i'm out of the game which sucks, such a waste of money.

[glo]

Digging up old post. Nothing answers my problem and I am thinking what I bought just won't work.

I bought 4 of these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834997306

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/182/3499730601zr8.jpg ('http://imageshack.us')

The connection button on the reciever and the keypad do not say "connect", they say "reset".

I plugged in two recievers to two different computers, hit each reciever's reset key. With both recievers blinking, I hit the reset key on the keypad. One reciever will connect, but not the other. If I hit reset again and connect the other reciever, then I loose connection with the first one. Also tried hitting the reset button on the keypad and then ...at the same time, hit the reset on both recievers...only one connects. Am I missing something? Right now, I am thinking the damn thing resets itself each time you hit the "reset" button .....cause, thats what reset means ...which is not good :cursing: . What else could I do? I don't see a way to change things in control panel. And, if this doesn't work out, what is a tried and true wireless usb keypad that will diffinently work?You want an IR keyboard for this. Bluetooth and most newer RF keyboard/mouse use encryption which makes a connection between the two so you can't operate more then one machine with the device. Infra red simply sends out the signal which can operate practically an unlimited number of machines.

[Herc130]

It's bluetooth? Where do you see that? When I bought it, I knew about not getting bluetooth and thought I did (not get BT). However, the receiver does say PID: BT750DG which could be bluetooth and whatever freq. But no where do I see it saying it is bluetooth otherwise. Oh well, it is an excellent keypad outside of broadcasting, although my big laptop already has a built in keypad and my small one...if I am using I am not carrying around much else. Looks like I got 4 keypads to give away.

[Aluxx]

he aint saying those pads are blue tooth just that they have encryption. I dont agree with the terminology, but from ym research 99% of the wireless keyboard receivers these days only accept 1 connection and this is hard coded.

[Aluxx]

A Ray of HOPE !

I did a huge amount of research. Here is what i found. You can in fact use 1 wireless keyboard to transmit to multi pcs. Now here is the issue. When wireless was 1st released back in 2004 there was huge security issues where ppl from over 100 yards could log your keystrokes. Reason for this is the way the wireless devices worked, and is the sole reason why u can broadcast them, from what i read the old wireless technology broadcasts the IF signal to the soundcard of the pc. Now these days its encoded and then sent to the reciever for de-coding.

Now how does this help, well, i found the oldest wireless keyvboard/mouse combo, was released in late 2004 and while having a short lifespan apparently still adops the unsecure IF signal. So i have purchased two combos and will report to you if they work in a few days once they arrive. The models i purchased was Microsoft Wireless Optical Desktop 1000 (combo) model BV3-00004. From what i read its one of the 1st microsoft wireless combos and ones ppl would of used a few years ago in DAOC and EQ. Also this combo was more expensive than the new ;( $116 AUD for two, might be a big waste of money or a god send will report asap.

[Herc130]

Think I will just bite the bullet and get a vetra. Which means I will also need to get a PS/2 X-keys. All the neccessary cables as well. $409 to get the 4 port vetra, 20 key x-keys and cables, all so I can press a single key instead of 3 or 4 every few seconds. Sometimes I think I have lost my mind lol

[Aluxx]

ya i would of gotten one of their products if they sold to Australia, also they dont answer emails :P

[Aluxx]

A Ray of HOPE !

I did a huge amount of research. Here is what i found. You can in fact use 1 wireless keyboard to transmit to multi pcs. Now here is the issue. When wireless was 1st released back in 2004 there was huge security issues where ppl from over 100 yards could log your keystrokes. Reason for this is the way the wireless devices worked, and is the sole reason why u can broadcast them, from what i read the old wireless technology broadcasts the IF signal to the soundcard of the pc. Now these days its encoded and then sent to the reciever for de-coding.

Now how does this help, well, i found the oldest wireless keyvboard/mouse combo, was released in late 2004 and while having a short lifespan apparently still adops the unsecure IF signal. So i have purchased two combos and will report to you if they work in a few days once they arrive. The models i purchased was Microsoft Wireless Optical Desktop 1000 (combo) model BV3-00004. From what i read its one of the 1st microsoft wireless combos and ones ppl would of used a few years ago in DAOC and EQ. Also this combo was more expensive than the new ;( $116 AUD for two, might be a big waste of money or a god send will report asap.Woot Works 100% yay !!! will post fraps vid soon of my boxing without using /follow =)

[zanthor]

Woot Works 100% yay !!! will post fraps vid soon of my boxing without using /follow =) 20-30 feet at a time...

It doesn't matter if you have exact duplicate signals sent to both wow clients, there will come a time in your very near future where you will realize that /follow defines multiboxing.

[Kissell13]

20-30 feet at a time...Exactly the thing that people in my guild are learning now. A few have decided to try boxxing after I joined and have shown them the possibilities. Many keep arguing the whole movement thing as well. Ive tried and /follow is the only way ive gotten things to work. That being said. Whats the problem with using follow. Other than the occasional getting stuck on something Ive had 0 issues with it.