Realm 80

[OogaJiggaWooga]

Well, just saw the cross faction announcement for first Night Elf / Druid to lvl 80 (Eldarion) at 3:59pm server time today. Damn that was quick

[DeathRush]

Athene boosted one of his guildmates to 80 in under 15 hours, www.warcraftmovies.com ('http://www.warcraftmovies.com/') , too bad he got screwed and got banned for it, even after the GM said it was fine to do it that way. Oh well thats blizzard.

[Yamio]

On Kul Tiras, a Tauren Shaman and a Undead Priest simultaneously dinged 80 Saturday morning at around 3 AM. Same guild, but I have no idea if they were multiboxing. It was surprising that two hit it at the same time. If anyone thinks multiboxers don't have lives just need to look at guys that are hitting 80 in less than 72 hours. Seriouslah...

[Zoroaster]

On Kul Tiras, a Tauren Shaman and a Undead Priest simultaneously dinged 80 Saturday morning at around 3 AM. Same guild, but I have no idea if they were multiboxing. It was surprising that two hit it at the same time. If anyone thinks multiboxers don't have lives just need to look at guys that are hitting 80 in less than 72 hours. Seriouslah...

A lot of people took off Thurs/Fri from work to push for 80. Taking 2 days off every ~2 years to level in the new expansion isn't much really. I know as of ~8am EST Saturday there was a 76 DK on Mal'Ganis, now he is crazy.

1st 80 on Mal'Ganis was sometime Friday night.

[Schwarz]

I watched the whole athene video on how they did this. It seems alot like what they previously did with a person getting kicked out of the group and doing all the dps. I thought at the time they did a crazy fast 1-70 leveling blizzard said this was not acceptable. So then they tried to recreate it. I think they would have been fine if they didn't use an instance to do this. Kind of crappy that they got banned/reset to 70.

What I think is crazy is that <theTwentyFithNovemember> got enough people to 80 to do all of Naxx. If you look at their website they cruised through there. The differences b/w boss kill times was around 20 mins.

[Yamio]

On Kul Tiras, a Tauren Shaman and a Undead Priest simultaneously dinged 80 Saturday morning at around 3 AM. Same guild, but I have no idea if they were multiboxing. It was surprising that two hit it at the same time. If anyone thinks multiboxers don't have lives just need to look at guys that are hitting 80 in less than 72 hours. Seriouslah...

A lot of people took off Thurs/Fri from work to push for 80. Taking 2 days off every ~2 years to level in the new expansion isn't much really. I know as of ~8am EST Saturday there was a 76 DK on Mal'Ganis, now he is crazy.

1st 80 on Mal'Ganis was sometime Friday night.
One of my coworkers took off Thursday/Friday so he could play. He's one of those guys that consistantly plays anywhere from 10-18 hours straight on his days off. I can't wait to hear what level he made it to.

[Sam DeathWalker]

So the deal is that in an instance you can't group and ungroup and get exp? So he was in a group at the start of the instance to get into the instance then he ungroups and tags and does dps and gets all the exp?

So if you tag while in a group, and then untag the tag follows the person who tagged or the group? I guess the person? Did he have to group and ungroup after each mob or just when he entered the instance?

He can tag outside of the group in the instance, just like outside right?

I mean he tags, they kill and he gets most of the exp? Thats legal outside of instance but not legal inside because its assumed that inside you have to be grouped?

Notice it seems that with outside help its better to kill mobs then it is to quest ....

How come people outside of instances couldn't just get 10 or 20 to help them, and do faster then this guy?

[Kyudo]

So the deal is that in an instance you can't group and ungroup and get exp? So he was in a group at the start of the instance to get into the instance then he ungroups and tags and does dps and gets all the exp?

So if you tag while in a group, and then untag the tag follows the person who tagged or the group? I guess the person? Did he have to group and ungroup after each mob or just when he entered the instance?

He can tag outside of the group in the instance, just like outside right?

I mean he tags, they kill and he gets most of the exp? Thats legal outside of instance but not legal inside because its assumed that inside you have to be grouped?

Notice it seems that with outside help its better to kill mobs then it is to quest ....

How come people outside of instances couldn't just get 10 or 20 to help them, and do faster then this guy?If you can bear the guy, all is revelaed in this video:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ibSWooWOiO0&feature=channel

[Schwarz]

This last video he posted he wasn't too bad. He was pretty down to earth in this one. Pretty interesting all the steps they took to do it just a little bit faster than everyone else.

tons and tons of swiftness pots
aspect of the cheetah up all the time

If you look at the "offical first" level 80 his team did it in something like 1/2 the time. They were going to hit 80 around 14 hours in while the lock did it in ~28 hours.

[Thulos]

I thought this technique was legal? I know some boxers did this very technique to level to 70 and never got in trouble. Very strange. Regardless I enjoyed watching the 30minute video where Athene is talking in a completely normal voice.

[Skuggomann]

there are about 25-45 lvl 80's on my server now.

[puppychow]

Athene boosted a char 1-70 a while ago with his method, setting a record of 13 hours or something like that. Blizzard said that this wasn't really ok with them, and they actually hotfixed it - in 2.4.3, if you tagged a mob and left party you would get minimal XP whether you joined back or not. Apparently WOTLK reverted the bug. It was dumb of Athene to do this since Blizzard had told him previously that this was not ok, and he knew it was a bug. Still funny how fast he got someone to 80 though!

Sam, you can't do this because WoW kicks people out of an instance after 60 seconds if they are (1) not in the party, (2) if there are more than 5 people (the newest person gets hearthed, if there are already 5 in the instance you can't zone in). I know you are dreaming of taking your 25 man army into an instance and leveling to 70 within a day, but sadly the mechanics only allow you to boost one person at a time with 4 other people. And its pretty clear Blizzard will ban you if they catch you. And its going to get hotfixed (again) soon I'm sure.

[Tdog]

Got a realm first DK level 80 on Cenarius earlier today. Maybe not more than 4 hours ago.

[Pyro-San]

Athene boosted a char 1-70 a while ago with his method, setting a record of 13 hours or something like that. Blizzard said that this wasn't really ok with them, and they actually hotfixed it - in 2.4.3, if you tagged a mob and left party you would get minimal XP whether you joined back or not. Apparently WOTLK reverted the bug. It was dumb of Athene to do this since Blizzard had told him previously that this was not ok, and he knew it was a bug. Still funny how fast he got someone to 80 though!

Sam, you can't do this because WoW kicks people out of an instance after 60 seconds if they are (1) not in the party, (2) if there are more than 5 people (the newest person gets hearthed, if there are already 5 in the instance you can't zone in). I know you are dreaming of taking your 25 man army into an instance and leveling to 70 within a day, but sadly the mechanics only allow you to boost one person at a time with 4 other people. And its pretty clear Blizzard will ban you if they catch you. And its going to get hotfixed (again) soon I'm sure. I actually watched the vid and he is not tagging then leaving the party, he is leaving the party then tagging then DPSing down all the mobs THEN after all the mobs are dead rejoining the party avoiding getting hearthed. Notice they take down all the mobs within 60 seconds between pulls. Also Check out their gear, it is pretty insane and the consumables they used... ~3k gold per person spent on consumables...

[Grimmace]

I thought this technique was legal? I know some boxers did this very technique to level to 70 and never got in trouble. Very strange. Regardless I enjoyed watching the 30minute video where Athene is talking in a completely normal voice.I think he got in trouble for it because the GM didnt know wtf he was talking about, and athene was very public about it. Or maybe the gm's banning him to prevent him from being the "official" worlds first lvl 80.

But your right people have been using this tactic for the last 3-4 years of the games life and blizzard has a tendency of coming down harshly on anyone who bursts their ego bubble as to wow's "pureness" fuck blizzard and their bullshit.. it was a race they knew they coulden't win so they physically restrained those who could to let someone else limp across the finish line first.

[Tasty]

I thought this technique was legal? I know some boxers did this very technique to level to 70 and never got in trouble. Very strange. Regardless I enjoyed watching the 30minute video where Athene is talking in a completely normal voice.I think he got in trouble for it because the GM didnt know wtf he was talking about, and athene was very public about it. Or maybe the gm's banning him to prevent him from being the "official" worlds first lvl 80.

But your right people have been using this tactic for the last 3-4 years of the games life and blizzard has a tendency of coming down harshly on anyone who bursts their ego bubble as to wow's "pureness" fuck blizzard and their more bullshit.. it was a race they knew they coulden't win so they physically restrained those who could to let someone else limp across the finish line first.

Wow what a truly terrible post.

To address a few points, I've yet to hear of any boxers on this website using the above mentioned technique and if they were I'm sure they would be reprimanded if they decided to brag about it. Its more than obvious that its an exploit and people shouldn't need to be told. Secondly while blizzard do their best a lot of the time they work reactively not pro actively to a certain extent so yes people may be using techniques like this for years but unless they are reported blizzard may not pick up on it. Your last point makes no sense, Blizzard banned someone for exploiting no more no less. You don't like it go have a cry on Athene's website, we don't need crap like that here.

For the record I'm speaking on my own behalf not that of the DB forums, or Blizzards for that matter.

To clear up one last point, Blizzard the Company decides what happens. Yes, while a GM may act on Blizzards behalf for certain things, in the end its Blizzards decision. Blizzard!=a single GM

[Grimmace]

I thought this technique was legal? I know some boxers did this very technique to level to 70 and never got in trouble. Very strange. Regardless I enjoyed watching the 30minute video where Athene is talking in a completely normal voice.I think he got in trouble for it because the GM didnt know wtf he was talking about, and athene was very public about it. Or maybe the gm's banning him to prevent him from being the "official" worlds first lvl 80.

But your right people have been using this tactic for the last 3-4 years of the games life and blizzard has a tendency of coming down harshly on anyone who bursts their ego bubble as to wow's "pureness" fuck blizzard and their more bullshit.. it was a race they knew they coulden't win so they physically restrained those who could to let someone else limp across the finish line first.

Wow what a truly terrible post.

To address a few points, I've yet to hear of any boxers on this website using the above mentioned technique and if they were I'm sure they would be reprimanded if they decided to brag about it. Its more than obvious that its an exploit and people shouldn't need to be told. Secondly while blizzard do their best a lot of the time they work reactively not pro actively to a certain extent so yes people may be using techniques like this for years but unless they are reported blizzard may not pick up on it. Your last point makes no sense, Blizzard banned someone for exploiting no more no less. You don't like it go have a cry on Athene's website, we don't need crap like that here.

For the record I'm speaking on my own behalf not that of the DB forums, or Blizzards for that matter.

To clear up one last point, Blizzard the Company decides what happens. Yes, while a GM may act on Blizzards behalf for certain things, in the end its Blizzards decision. Blizzard!=a single GMThat don't change the fact that they've been letting people do it for years now unimpeded and they pick now as the time to go and ban someone for it? Im sorry but that's just a little to convenient for myself or anyone with half a brain to not know any better...

You do know that GM's can hand out temporary bans without having to run off to corporate right?

Fact is that blizzard's almighty GM noobsquad should of notified him ahead of time to stop doing what he was doing, as in when GM A told athene that it was ok to do said activity then GM A or GM B (whoever did the banning).

Should of messaged him ahead of time and said look I know you talked with a gm about this earlier and he said it was ok but im here telling you its not and you need to stop or im gonna have to ban you for it. (or at least sent him a ingame mail)

While it might seem black and white to you their is plenty of shadey shit going on that the company as a whole needs to address, the real question is will they? no probably not blizz has a history of sticking its head in the sand to try and hide from people calling them out for their employee's abusing the power their given over people in the game world. The real question thats more to the point is would athene of gotten banned before he got a chance to finish leveling if he had not asked a gm about it?

Magic 8 Ball says...

Were all drawing our own conclusions here because none of us actually witnessed the events unfolding... So yes athene could of photo shopped the image and this could all be a big ruse but that has yet to change the fact that the supposed "ban" itself was shadey as hell and came right concidentially at "just the right time" to let someone else cross the finish line first.


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[Hachoo]

Theres a difference between what Athene did and what other people did that didn't get banned. He exploited instance mechanics to tag mobs. It is an exploit to ungroup while in an instance and then tag mobs until the 1 minute timer expires, regroup, ungroup again and repeat. You'd have to be an idiot to think this is "freely allowed". Its freely allowed to tag mobs outside of instances, as the GM confirmed that he asked. Nowhere in his original page to the GM did he ask about doing it inside instances which would have been the actual IMPORTANT question.

Bottom line is this is shady as hell and he didn't even ask if it was OK to do it in an instance so its his own fault. Other people that have been doing it (including the one that ended up getting the actual 80 world first) did this outside of instances where its not considered an exploit.

[Svpernova09]

Fact is that blizzard's almighty GM noobsquad should of notified him ahead of time to stop doing what he was doing, as in when GM A told athene that it was ok to do said activity then GM A or GM B (whoever did the banning).

Should of messaged him ahead of time and said look I know you talked with a gm about this earlier and he said it was ok but im here telling you its not and you need to stop or im gonna have to ban you for it. (or at least sent him a ingame mail)

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Blizzard does not (and I have never personally seen it happen) warn someone proactively notify someone that they are breaking the rules, they just correct the issue by talking to the person and giving them a warning, a temp ban of sorts, or extreme cases a permanent ban. So why should they start now? It is the user's responsibility to know the rules and follow them. If Athene knew the method was against the rules, and he realized in the current patch it was still enabled and he THEN went and USED this ability to level, then that is called exploiting and it is against the rules.

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[Dominian]

Last Resort on my server downed a 25 man boss saturday evening around 20:00.. As we all know nihilium/sk-gaming already cleared all the raid content so far.

[Svpernova09]

Last Resort on my server downed a 25 man boss saturday evening around 20:00.. As we all know nihilium/sk-gaming already cleared all the raid content so far.Nice, in my guild we used Last Resort boss videos as a base to figure out many boss fights in BC,

[kadaan]

I heard that the US-first DK (Essay on Tichondrius) is a boxer. He used the out-of-group tap technique with his 4? 5? box team to power level his DK through Outlands and into Northrend.

Re: Athene, he asked the first GM if out-of-group tapping was legal. It is. However out-of-group tapping in an instance is exploiting (as you're circumventing the "not part of this instances group" by repeatedly joining/leaving the group.) Neither GM was in the wrong, and neither contradicted each other, they were simply not in the same context even if it looks like they're talking about the same thing on his page.